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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Ä on Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:52 pm

also watch out for 18-year-old Kevin Kraus trying his luck for Frankfurt in central defence this weekend
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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Ä on Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:45 pm

Draxler now had his debut for Schalke and immediately got a pro-contract afterwards

Ale

at 17 and a few days, he is the FOURTH youngest Bundesliga debutant of ALL TIME

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Kraft also did a good job for Bayern

ironically, whereas the 22-year-old Bavarian Rottweiler-owning goalie caught all the headlines

it was the DEBUT of the 21-year-old goalie for Hannover, that is MORE INTERESTING

Ron-Robert Zieler (sp? ) was a member of ManU for YEARS before returning to the Bundesliga as 2nd keeper at Hannover

Slomka has now mysteriously dumped the rather SOLID Fromlowitz and did what vG did with Kraft

predictably, Zieler was excellent Ale

more headline grabbing German youth stuff in the 2nd league

Leitner, the 1860 talent recently sold to Dortmund, is now playing for Augsburg on a loan

apparently, his debut there was BARNSTORMINGLY brilliant

and , again a setback to allez, who thinks Germany does not produce centreforwards these days

Berlin have an 18 or 19 year old BULL up front

chap called Lasoggo (sp) whom I mentioned above some time ago

word on the streets of Berlin is the guy pulverised the oppostion cheers


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to the FANS of the 1860 ACADEMY which has produced the likes of Träsch, the Benders, Gebhard.... only recently

+

Leitner and Vollmer (off to Hoffe)

word on the streets of Munich is that that have an EVEN BETTER YEAR now

the boys born in 1992 are smashing the already impossibly high standards set by the Benders... (who won the U-19 Euro)

the lad EVERYBODY in the know is TALKING about is a 16-year-old wonder boy, called Pledl, I think

another playmaker (Nr 10 ) it seems, increasing competition for Kroos, Özil, Gündogan, Götze...

Yikes

as always

you heard it here FIRST

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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Stiftung Haeschentest on Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:16 am

Ä wrote:

chap called Lasoggo (sp) whom I mentioned above some time ago

word on the streets of Berlin is the guy pulverised the oppostion cheers


His name is Lasogga, Otto, Pierre-Michel LASOGGA!!!

His goal telly is quite impressive and his workrate is truly exceptional. Not sure if he will ever become NT material though, as he's rather technically limited as a footballer.


Leitner Blush

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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Ä on Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:10 am

Stiftung Haeschentest wrote:
Ä wrote:

chap called Lasoggo (sp) whom I mentioned above some time ago

word on the streets of Berlin is the guy pulverised the oppostion cheers


His name is Lasogga, Otto, Pierre-Michel LASOGGA!!!

His goal telly is quite impressive and his workrate is truly exceptional. Not sure if he will ever become NT material though, as he's rather technically limited as a footballer.


Very Happy

http://www.bz-berlin.de/sport/hertha-bsc/liebling-lasogga-wird-nationalspieler-article1092950.html

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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:45 am

Otto has a different idea of what constitutes a Nationalspieler from the rest of us, if he had his way the team would consist of Christian Wörns, Manuel Friedrich, Jermaine Jones, Tim Borowski and Kevin Kuranyi Ale
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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Ä on Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:42 pm

Allez les rouges wrote:Otto has a different idea of what constitutes a Nationalspieler from the rest of us, if he had his way the team would consist of Christian Wörns, Manuel Friedrich, Jermaine Jones, Tim Borowski and Kevin Kuranyi Ale

a Nationalspieler is somebody who plays for his country

THAT IS IT

and YOUR loverboy's loverboy (Löw's boyfriend Adrion who MY man Sammer wants to get the SACK ASAP )

says that Lasogga offers something special and should now play for the U-20 or even U-21 Nationalmannschaft

Laugh

ONE DAY AFTER

hase questions his Mannschaft suitability

now THAT is what I call EGG on her no doubt very pretty face

Laugh

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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:11 pm

U-21-Auswahltrainer Rainer Adrion (57) hat sich beim 3:1 selbst ein Bild von Lasogga gemacht: „Bis zur Kaderplanung für das nächste Länderspiel sind es noch zwei Punktspiele. Wenn er die Leistung bis dahin bestätigt, könnte es gut sein, dass er dabei ist. Dann aber wohl erst mal bei der U20.

Wow Rolling Eyes

That's rather different from saying he is going to be part of the Mannschaft, which is what she was saying, and which obviously remains either a long shot or too early to say.

scratch Rolling Eyes

This is projection Otto, you are smearing your own face in abundant egg-like material with every post, it really has very little to do with anyone else.
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Post by Ä on Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:58 pm

you are , no doubt, a smart chap, allez

probably too smart for your own good

if this was a COMPREHENSION EXERCISE, you would have failed it comprehensively though

let's go through it step by step

hase says :" Not sure if Lasogga will ever become NT material though, as he's rather technically limited as a footballer. "

admittedly, that sentence is somewhat confusing because it's a weird cross of suggesting the lad might not make and might not have the potential to make the Senior Mannschaft

two different things altogether, me thinks

I reply that

a "Nationalspieler is somebody who plays for his country, THAT IS IT . ...Adrion says that Lasogga offers something special and should now play for the U-20 or even U-21 Nationalmannschaft."


you then refer to Adrion mentioning the U-20

"... That's rather different from saying he is going to be part of the Mannschaft, which is what she was saying, and which obviously remains either a long shot or too early to say."

allez

now we can both agree that a U-20/21 player, almost by definition has the POTENTIAL to make the senior team, assuming he fulfills his promise or even surpasses it (Effe was a late starter for instance) ;

whether he MAKES it in the end, is a different matter altogether

innit

PS

Adrion also said

"Von seiner Art zu spielen, gibt es in dem Alter nicht viele. Er ist ein Stürmertyp, wie es ihn selten gibt"

clearly meant as a COMPLIMENT in this context

Ale

ie

Adrion would almost CERTAINLY agree that Lasogga has the POTENTIAL to EVENTUALLY make the senior MANNSCHAFT

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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:46 pm

This is surreal, I mean I'm a pedant and somewhat disputatious, but I really don't get the point here? There isn't even really any disagreement, you're just picking arguments! Hase said she liked the lad, but wasn't convinced he would make it at the top/international level, for technical reasons.

I think it's fair to say that playing for the N11 doesn't automatically make you "international material". There are plenty of one-cap wonders for instance – are Malik Fathi, Manuel Friedrich, Mike Hanke (Jermaine Jones), N11 material??

Anyway, my centre-forward remark before that was neither the occasioner of setbacks nor intended in any way as a slight on German talent – more a reflection of the trend these days that out-and-out (high-quality) centre-forwards are not being produced in any great number anywhere. Lots of creative wingers, tricky wide players and the like though. Etc...
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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Murray on Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:57 pm

Is there a womannschaft?

Or is it called the frauschaft?
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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Ä on Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:30 pm

Murray wrote:Is there a womannschaft?

Or is it called the frauschaft?

Very Happy

it's ALWAYS a MANNschaft irrespective of gender

cheers

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anyway

17-year-old DRAXLER

gets the WINNER for Schalke in the Cup against Nuremberg with a WONDERSTRIKE, preceded by an INTELLIGENT dummy

cheers cheers cheers

van Gaal DISCOVERED Badstuber and Contento

Magath DISCOVERED

DRAXLER

cheers Laugh

the whole German talent thing is getting RIDICULOUS now

Nürnberg's SHARPSHOOTER was Schieber who scored TWO goals

the lad should be 21 now

and allez thinks Germany is short of center-forwards these days

Very Happy

Höwedes, Neuer, Schmitz, Draxler, Schieber, Ekici....

young German talents on the pitch EVERYWHERE

Shocked cheers
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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Ä on Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:29 pm

Trinks now had his debut with Werder Ale

we all know about Hummels already

but what about WOLLSCHEID Yikes

VERY impressive

I wonder whether the two could form THE central defensive partnership of the Mannschaft's future

meaning, Merte, Badstuber and Höwedes would be out

Rangnick was asked whom he rated as the greater talent: Özil or Götze


he refused to answer directly but basically raved about Götze

going on to say that there are a lot more talents of similar ilk coming through the various youth programmes now Ale
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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Calidad on Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:53 pm

Could Ozil + Gotze play in the same team?
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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Stiftung Haeschentest on Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:53 am

For Germany you mean?

On paper yes. Götze can play and in Dortmund has been used on all three attacking midfield positions in a 4-2-3-1. It's theoretically possible to use Götze on the left/right and Özil in the center behind the striker. I am saying theoretically, because I am not entirely convinced that Götze is really suited to the wide midfield role in Löw's system.

Löw's 4-2-3-1 and Dortmund's 4-2-3-1 are fairly different.

Dortmund's midfield is very narrow. Großkreutz and Götze, in particular, (when he plays on the right) always look to come inside to combine with Kagawa and Barrios. In Germany's system, the wide midfield players are supposed to stay wide which in my opinion doesn't suit Götze who likes to link-up with his team-mates. Dortmund also usually try to win the ball higher up the pitch, whilst Germany prefer to win the ball in deeper positions and then try to play their quick running game. This accommodates the strenghts of Podolski and Müller, but not those of Götze.

Löw however seems very determined to integrate Götze into the German line-up. If he plans to use him wide on the right or left, then he will have to change the tactics of his team a bit in order to get the best out of the boy IMO.
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Post by Allez les rouges on Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:18 am

Hmm, interesting points, but Podolski and Müller are after all very different players and the latter for instance in the WC was arguably better (England) when roaming more freely than when sticking to his wide brief (Ghana). Very early to predict the future especially from a tactical point of view when Götze's so young, there's still a lot of flexibility in the system (and Kroos and others to fit in, even if the latter ends up playing in deep midfield).

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Post by stinger on Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:33 am

Stiftung Haeschentest wrote:For Germany you mean?

On paper yes. Götze can play and in Dortmund has been used on all three attacking midfield positions in a 4-2-3-1. It's theoretically possible to use Götze on the left/right and Özil in the center behind the striker. I am saying theoretically, because I am not entirely convinced that Götze is really suited to the wide midfield role in Löw's system.

Löw's 4-2-3-1 and Dortmund's 4-2-3-1 are fairly different.

Dortmund's midfield is very narrow. Großkreutz and Götze, in particular, (when he plays on the right) always look to come inside to combine with Kagawa and Barrios. In Germany's system, the wide midfield players are supposed to stay wide which in my opinion doesn't suit Götze who likes to link-up with his team-mates. Dortmund also usually try to win the ball higher up the pitch, whilst Germany prefer to win the ball in deeper positions and then try to play their quick running game. This accommodates the strenghts of Podolski and Müller, but not those of Götze.

Löw however seems very determined to integrate Götze into the German line-up. If he plans to use him wide on the right or left, then he will have to change the tactics of his team a bit in order to get the best out of the boy IMO.
Nice post Ale

In theory it sounds possible, as long as Gotze would play on right side and have Lahm providing the width. But it would help if Germany would have somebody who stretches out play on left side, Muller or Podolski don't really fit there.
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Post by Xavier on Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:31 pm

stinger wrote:But it would help if Germany would have somebody who stretches out play on left side, Muller or Podolski don't really fit there.
Schmelzer can do it; he can be the mirror of Lahm on the left side... He's much better than Boateng or Aogo, and, as this season has shown, he can actually fit this role perfectly.

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Post by stinger on Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:33 pm

Xavier wrote:
stinger wrote:But it would help if Germany would have somebody who stretches out play on left side, Muller or Podolski don't really fit there.
Schmelzer can do it; he can be the mirror of Lahm on the left side... He's much better than Boateng or Aogo, and, as this season has shown, he can actually fit this role perfectly.
Agree, just not sure if Loew would like to have attacking minded full backs on both sides.
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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:13 pm

Definitely, there was no problem with having Lahm and Jansen as the full-backs a while back, until it became clear Jansen couldn't defend Sad
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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Ä on Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:21 pm

Stiftung Haeschentest wrote:
Ä wrote:

chap called Lasoggo (sp) whom I mentioned above some time ago

word on the streets of Berlin is the guy pulverised the oppostion cheers


His name is Lasogga, Otto, Pierre-Michel LASOGGA!!!

His goal telly is quite impressive and his workrate is truly exceptional. Not sure if he will ever become NT material though, as he's rather technically limited as a footballer.



Very Happy

12 goals, 5 assists

19-year-old Lasogga catapulted Hertha Berlin back into the 1. Bundesliga

cheers

the above analysis by hase has "bumping potential", me thinks

cheers

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is anybody following the PROGRESS of ter Steegen, the teenage goalie from Gladbach ?!

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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by Ä on Mon May 02, 2011 10:07 pm

Ä wrote:watch out for Nils Pertersen

I have GREAT hopes for him

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/vereine/2-bundesliga/2010-11/energie-cottbus-78/43169/spieler_nils-petersen.html

as always

you heard it here first

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cheers cheers cheers

and NOW

Bayern are said to make a move for him

Shocked

and as always

you heard it here FIRST

cheers cheers cheers

agendas, agendas, agendas

eh, blut ?!

lol!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon May 02, 2011 10:16 pm

Agendas. Definitely. If he was named ÖZTÜRK, you'd wait with the hype before he sung the national anthem first.
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Post by Ä on Mon May 02, 2011 10:58 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Agendas. Definitely. If he was named ÖZTÜRK, you'd wait with the hype before he sung the national anthem first.

Shocked Very Happy

BULLSHIT

nothing but typical blut-propaganda

go through the thread and you'll see I have hyped non-ethnic German players left right and center

ALL THE TIME

without having the foggiest whether they would sing the anthem or NOT

Marin, Nsereko, Holtby, Khedira, Özil, Merkel, Hunt, Podolski, Sidney Sam, Choupo-Moting, Aogo, Boateng, Gündogan, Mlapa, Contento, Alitinay, Karim Bellarabi..

the man with the AGENDAS on here is YOU

I am the most level-headed, FAIREST, OBJECTIVE poster on here

FACTS, figures, and the TRUTH is what I seek

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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 03, 2011 2:07 am

Your anti-Özil agenda stems from the fact that he doesn't sing the national anthem. That's a FACT, not propaganda. You started railing against him, belittling his achievements ever since. As far as Khedira is concerned, your pro-Ballack, anti-Löw agenda is another additional factor. You're all about agendas otto, always have been. Every single post of yours is about them, you spin every result, every occasion to suit them.

Your beloved Daum likely getting Frankfurt relegated? It's the incompetent board's fault, giving the other beloved coach of yours, Skibbe, too much time at th helm and hence super-coach Daum not enough. Oops...how will you get out of that dilemma I reckon? Double-spin? Corrupt fuckos? Angela Merkel? Wayne Rooney?

Questions...
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Post by Ä on Thu May 05, 2011 12:21 pm

stop being silly blut

the reason I have questions about Özil is that he tends to disappear in BIG games, when we NEED him; and shines when we need him a lot less

he is still the best in the position though and with luck simply needs some time to mature

as for Khedira: I had HUGE hopes for him initially

in fact a long time ago I already said that he would be Ballack's natural replacement; NOT Schweini but Khedira

at the World Cup I was shocked by his headless chicken routine though

but thought that under Mourinho at Real he would MATURE

his subsequent games for the Vaterland have all be a MASSIVE disappointment , however

and YES

it is in THIS context that the cause Ballack becomes important

I genuinely think we NEED Ballack DESPERATELY if we want to win in Poland

and to kick out Bally for a "still" brainless and immature Khedira almost smacks of CORRUPTION at the highest level

and again, yes, if you add the NATIONAL ANTHEM problem (Khedira REFUSES to sing it) to the mix

everything related to Khedira-in-the-Mannschaft becomes more explosive than a litre of nitroglycerin

still

as a player I have always rated Khedira, in particular his ballsyness and cheek as well as his tendency to lead from the front

if he can grow a brain in the next few years he will become a real GEM

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meanwhile, it seems he has a new girlfriend from Cloppenburg, so really almost a Bremerin



maybe she can make him sing the ANTHEM Whistle

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watch out for the latest German SUPERTALENT

chap called ESSWEIN ( I think)

should be off to Nürnberg now

a former Magath discovery I have HUGE hopes for Ale Laugh
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu May 05, 2011 12:55 pm

Ballack is not the solution. He'll soon be 35 freaking years old and simply lacking basic physical requirements for the demanding style of the national team. You just can't stop aging.

What you describe as 'headless chicken runs' is actually one of Khedira's strengths and positive contributions to our game. Without those runs, in addition to a lot of dirty work, Schweinsteiger could never impose himself on games as he did. Having true headless chickens like Podolski on the flanks makes that even more crucial, as there are a lot of gaps to be filled.

So whoever wants to compete for Khedira's starting spot has to be able to provide a similar level of athleticism and power, in addition to other attributes. Knowing that we have a number of very promising central midfielders coming through the ranks, it's a travesty to put our hopes on a 35 year old who has his best years behind him. This isn't 2001 anymore.
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Post by Ricardo Jol on Thu May 05, 2011 2:43 pm

that right chick isn't that bad Otto. Mostly your chicks are more man than woman but this time I wopould say.... good work boy!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat May 07, 2011 1:55 am

So much about 'Ballack being brilliant for Leverkusen and the saviour of the national team':

http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/bundesliga/vereine/bayer-leverkusen/2011/05/06/michael-ballack-fliegt-wohl/aus-der-startelf.html

Heynckes has put him on the bench against HSV this weekend. He lost his starting spot.


Die Entscheidung fiel aus Leistungsgründen.

But otto will find a way to spin that, too, of course...
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Post by Ä on Sat May 07, 2011 11:18 am

blutgraetsche wrote:So much about 'Ballack being brilliant for Leverkusen and the saviour of the national team':

http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/bundesliga/vereine/bayer-leverkusen/2011/05/06/michael-ballack-fliegt-wohl/aus-der-startelf.html

Heynckes has put him on the bench against HSV this weekend. He lost his starting spot.


Die Entscheidung fiel aus Leistungsgründen.

But otto will find a way to spin that, too, of course...

you are a good man, blut

smart, wise, handsome, with a well-embraced inner-child, innit ?!

BUT

YOU, just like allez and the late-hase

are so driven by agendas

it, at times, terrifies the bejeevies out of me

I have you THREE down as (potential) GREEN voters, chaining yourselves to the trees in front of the Stuttgart train-station Shocked

wahre G

I am currently reading an interesting book

"Die Psyche der Deutschen" by Klaus-Uwe Adam

which explains A lot

think about it

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there is NOTHING to spin about the above Ballack story, blut

when I hear a coach use the word "Leistungsgründen" with respect to selecting his starting eleven

I nowadays ALWAYS break out in SWEAT thinking of the "verlogener" Löw/Klinsi who introduced the word "Leistungsprinzip"

a sensible concept on paper, merely used to weed out the UNDESIRED under the pretext of impartiality and efficiency

the BRUTAL TRUTH is that under a Leistungsprinzp or according to Leistungsgründen, Löw would no longer be Nationaltrainer and

let's be honest

Leverkusen SHOULD have SACKED Heynckes at the end of the season AS WELL

Shocked

I am the only one on this board who has always PRAISED Heynckes

I like him as a person and rate him as a coach

BUT

THIS season at Bayer he FUCKED up BIG TIME

Bremen, HSV, Schalke, Wolfsburg, Stuttgart AND Bayern decided to punch out of the TITLE race AT THE SAME TIME

and frankly

NOT Dortmund or Hannover or Mainz should have stepped in, BUT Leverkusen

Shocked

the fact that they did NOT, is down to Heynckes

and to a LARGE extent his treatment of Ballack

the TRUTH is, Heynckes has NEVER liked and NEVEr wanted Ballack in the first place

the lad was brought in by Völler , with the GRUDGING consent of Jupp

I will NEVER forget the PRESENTION of the Saxon in the presence of Jupp and Rudi

Ballack and Rudi were CLEARLY chuffed, but Jupp was ALMOST pale

Henyckes liked the idea of working with a group of young, mostly German, HIGH-POTENTIALS he could form, shape and steer quietly

he is NO SHOWMAN and dreads the star-media circus (which makes his return to Bayern a tad ironic)

having put Ballack in front of him FUCKED all of that up

now the club , media wise, became the Bayer Ballack

at that presentation Heynckes got a bit livelier ONCE

when asked whether Ballack, the alleged only German world-class player and only STAR in the team, would now become CAPTAIN as well

a clearly unsettled and angry Henyckes shot an IMMEDIATE

"CERTAINLY NOT, Rolfes will REMAIN MY CAPTAIN"

with Rolfes, Vidal (Jupp's lover boy), Augusto and Bender, JHeynckes never really needed and wanted the Saxon

EVERYTHING that happened subsequently in the Jupp-Ballack saga has to be seen in this light

there are even weird reports that Völler was getting so nervous about Jupp not giving Ballack playing time after his return from injury that he organised for a friendly against Osnabrück to be played

something Jupp DULY canceled Shocked

Ballack is to Heynckes what Toni/Lucio were to van Gaal or Jermaine Jones was to Magath

NOW that the title race is finished , nothing more at stake, and his new job at Bayern secure, Jupp can throw Ballack onto the dustbin WITHOUT any consequences

Neutral

I understand that managers don't like certain players

we all have preferences

but Henyckes kicking out Ballack AT A TIME when the lad putting in excellent performances for the club and fighting for his Nationalmannschaft SURVIVAL is

frankly

unterste Tonne



ah well

Ballack is the new Frings anyway and he is finished under Löw no matter what he does on the pitch, or indeed his main opponents

still

menschlich bin ich schon arg enttäuscht von Osram

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Re: is the endless conveyor belt going too fast

Post by blutgraetsche on Sat May 07, 2011 11:47 am

So I have an agenda because I stick to the facts? Laughing Heynckes, a well respected and experienced manager you used to hype a lot (that's before he dared to bench one of your darlings I suppose) benches Ballack because he simply hasn't been good enough, but it's me who has the agenda. otto, otto, otto, when will you stop this nonsense? You're like the Black Knight from Monty Python And The Holy Grail.

Fact of the matter is that Ballack is already past it, and most definitely will be even more past it in 14 months. I know that you'd even spin the concept of time if you could, but at some point, even Alastair otto has to face reality. You did the Ossi a great service and Görlitz will always be in your debt, but it's time to let go. Let go otto...

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