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Top 5

1 = Peter Schmeichel Danmark
1 = Gianluigi Buffon Italia
3. Oliver Kahn Deutschland
4. José Luis Félix Chilavert Paraguay
5. Walter Zenga Italia

John Terry.

Thought it would be nice to be the first one to make this joke today

Taffarel, Seaman, Barthez and Dida in there : complete joke of a list

Myabe otto can explain why the great lemon is at 32=

Axeslammer wrote:Taffarel, Seaman, Barthez and Dida in there : complete joke of a list

Seamen should be in the list based on the last 20 years. Just maybe not that high.

I would say the great Dane but there's obviously a case for Buffon.

Chilavert? Madness.

Seaman was ace. Deserved to in there.

Zenga? Fifth? I never thought he was that good.

Parks lives wrote:http://www.iffhs.de/?388d85ff8b00388f05f4cbc0385fdcdc3bfcdc0aec70aeedb88419

Top 5

1 = Peter Schmeichel Danmark
1 = Gianluigi Buffon Italia
3. Oliver Kahn Deutschland
4. José Luis Félix Chilavert Paraguay
5. Walter Zenga Italia

Agree with Jaime, I wasn't that impressed with Zenga either. My top 5:

1. Buffon, then Chilavert, Kahn, Oscar Córdoba, Schmeichel.

Buffon is simply the best goalie of his generation. Back in the late 90's when Schmeichel was regarded as the best goalie (he was just playing with the most exposed club around the world!) I told some friends to watch Chilavert and Schmeichel in World Cup 1998. They were huge fans of the Dane. After that France '98 World Cup, they had realized Chilavert was the better goalie. All I said was, "watch and compare the two goalies". Schmeichel was a good goalie, but he benefited from playing in the most exposed club much like Eric Cantona, and "king" Eric couldn't crack a starting 11 for France.

Chilavert won EVERYTHING at club level with Vélez, and he was very instrumental in achieving that when winning Copa Libertadores and the Intercontinental Cup...with Vélez. That's like Schmeichel winning it all playing for a club like Newcastle. Chilavert marshalled his troops heroically in '98 losing to France the eventual winners. Who did Schmeichel wimped out against in '98?

Kahn was also better than Schmeichel. The Colombian Oscar Córdoba was a monster during his peak at Boca Juniors. He also won everything at club level. So there you have it, don't get me wrong, Schmeichel was a very good goalie, but he was made out to be more than he really was, just like Eric Cantona.

Very soon, Casillas will be topping his list much like Buffon.

This list is completely based on the prizes they won, has nothing to do with the ability of the keeper.

It should read : list of keepers who were in the right team at the right time (will often be the best goalies....but a surprising number of times not at all)

Puro wrote:
Chilavert won EVERYTHING at club level with Vélez, and he was very instrumental in achieving that when winning Copa Libertadores and the Intercontinental Cup...with Vélez. That's like Schmeichel winning it all playing for a club like Newcastle.

Or winning the European Championships with Denmark perhaps.

Parks lives wrote:
Or winning the European Championships with Denmark perhaps.

Of course Parky, like I said earlier, Schmeichel was no scrub. He's definitely one of the best of his generation, he's "my" #5 goalie.

Axeslammer wrote:This list is completely based on the prizes they won, has nothing to do with the ability of the keeper.

It should read : list of keepers who were in the right team at the right time (will often be the best goalies....but a surprising number of times not at all)

Your man Van der Sar will be pushing Casillas in the next list for sure. I've seen how he has improved through the years. For instance, in the past he couldn't save a penalty kick, and now look at him, he's like Fillol, remember him!

Zenga benefitted from playing behind Bergomi-Ferri-Baresi-Maldini (what a defence!). I thought Pagliuca was the much better goalkeeper. Even Sebastiano Rossi, another contemporary, was much less prone to stupid mistakes. Stefano Tacconi was also great...really had a great crop of goalkeepers in the late 80s and early 90s, Italy had. I guess they always do.

Jaime wrote:Zenga benefitted from playing behind Bergomi-Ferri-Baresi-Maldini (what a defence!). I thought Pagliuca was the much better goalkeeper. Even Sebastiano Rossi, another contemporary, was much less prone to stupid mistakes.

I was always a big fun of Pagliuca i am surprised he is often not mentioned when talking about great keepers.
Preud d'homme, Dasaev and Baía so low...


PS:
And i agree completly with Axe, i would add another thing though:keepers with a big media hype from playing for big clubs /countries. Most are good of course but not all deserve to be there or even with such a good rating.

The best keeper i've seen in the last 20 years was Peter Shilton

Possibly true but not the best keeper of the last 20 years... past his best from the early 90s.

Roger Hunt wrote:Possibly true but not the best keeper of the last 20 years... past his best from the early 90s.

He was IMO much better than Seaman ever became, during the mid - late 80's he was so agile and nimble.

In saying this though another good shout might be Neville Southall, he was phenomenal for a 'big bloke' so quick and agile too.

To be honest i've never seen what all the fuss was about surround Buffon, but then i don't watch him week in week out, but hes never 'wowed' me like either Big Nev or Shilton did.

Kahn and Lehmann are amongst the top two

that's for sure

not clear in which order though

36-0tto wrote:Kahn and Lehmann are amongst the top two

that's for sure

not clear in which order though

You shouldn't forget to take your medicine Otto

it's hard to choose between Bosnich and Spink. Spink has a chance, he won far more European Cups than Buffon, for example, but i'll think the Aussie gets it just for being so good for Villa and so bad for everyone else. Grobbelaar 3rd

11. Fabien Barthez France 37

Petr Čech

18. Peter Shilton

Seaman

Canizares at 45th? Joke.

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Roger Hunt wrote:
In saying this though another good shout might be Neville Southall, he was phenomenal for a 'big bloke' so quick and agile too.

To be honest i've never seen what all the fuss was about surround Buffon, but then i don't watch him week in week out, but hes never 'wowed' me like either Big Nev or Shilton did.

Thats like saying that Maldini has never wowed you like Wayne Bridge did!

If you only care for brilliant saves, then Dida is probably better than Buffon and Cech... I am sure that a compilation of his top 5 saves would beat Buffon's.... but if you look at consistancy or brilliance over a period or the top 1000 saves for example, then you will realise what a legend Buffon is.

I used to keep, always admired great keepers, and there have been many in the last 25 years since I have been watching football... but Buffon is something else, he is almost superhuman... Buffon is to keeping what Maldini is to left back's and Maradona is to playmakers.... simply unbelievable!

Mark Crossley was class for us aswell.

the top 3 are a joke:

schmeichel was not the best,


buffon
kahn
schmeichel


i could live with that

Toni Kroos wrote:the top 3 are a joke:

schmeichel was not the best,


buffon
kahn
schmeichel


i could live with that

you still have the same top 3

all you did was move a german up one place

110% wrote:

Toni Kroos wrote:the top 3 are a joke:

schmeichel was not the best,


buffon
kahn
schmeichel


i could live with that

you still have the same top 3

all you did was move a german up one place

because kahn is better than schmeichel

1995-Vitor Baia
1996-Van Der Sar
1997-Van Der Sar
1998-Peruzzi/Chila/Roa
1999-Kahn
2000-Barthez
2001-Kahn
2002-Kahn
2003-Buffon
2004-Buffon
2005-Buffon
2006-Buffon
2007-Iker
2008-??? IMHO


But the official say it like this




* 2007 Gianluigi Buffon : Juventus & Italy
* 2006 Gianluigi Buffon : Juventus & Italy
* 2005 Petr Čech : Chelsea & Czech Republic
* 2004 Gianluigi Buffon : Juventus & Italy
* 2003 Gianluigi Buffon : Juventus & Italy
* 2002 Oliver Kahn : Bayern Munich & Germany
* 2001 Oliver Kahn : Bayern Munich & Germany
* 2000 Fabien Barthez : Manchester United & France
* 1999 Oliver Kahn : Bayern Munich & Germany
* 1998 José Luis Chilavert : Velez Sarsfield & Paraguay
* 1997 José Luis Chilavert : Velez Sarsfield & Paraguay
* 1996 Andreas Köpke : Marseille & Germany
* 1995 José Luis Chilavert : Velez Sarsfield & Paraguay
* 1994 Michel Preud'homme : Benfica & Belgium
* 1993 Peter Schmeichel : Manchester United & Denmark
* 1992 Peter Schmeichel : Manchester United & Denmark
* 1991 Walter Zenga : Inter Milan & Italy
* 1990 Walter Zenga : Inter Milan & Italy
* 1989 Walter Zenga : Inter Milan & Italy
* 1988 Rinat Dasaev : Spartak Moscow & Soviet Union
* 1987 Jean-Marie Pfaff : Bayern Munich & Belgium

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