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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Sat May 03, 2008 8:51 pm

Maybe it's because of the system Ajax played? Rosenberg is wasted in a 4-3-3 (neither a centre forward, nor a winger), he has to play in a 4-4-2.

You should have watched a few matches he played for us this season, some truly good ones. Whatever, agree on disagreeing.
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Post by Ricardo Jol on Sat May 03, 2008 8:52 pm

they played most of the times 4-4-2
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Sat May 03, 2008 8:54 pm

Well, then it simply didn't work. $h!t happens. rai should know the reasons better than I do.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Ricardo Jol on Sat May 03, 2008 8:56 pm

Well I m not the worst guy in the world so I wish him all the best... ! Ale
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Machiavel on Sat May 03, 2008 9:03 pm

The 442 played by Blind really damaged him, I think Blind did that to accommodate him with some other player I forget, backfired and had a detrimental effect on Markus. Ironically he started in a 433 and did reasonably well, when KJH came he was forced out of his favoured position to take up a ‘wing’ role, I had hope that maybe in a 442 those two would have been lethal but there was no plans of this.

Rosenberg clearly is maturing at Werder and it’s good to see him having and enjoying success, which he deserves.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by chrissicross on Mon May 05, 2008 11:57 am

Ein Leichtgewicht als Stütze

Mesut Özil ist dabei, sich nach Startschwierigkeiten in Bremen zum wichtigen Spieler zu entwickeln

Nach Spielen im Bremer Weserstadion verschafft sich Tino Polster am Ende der obligatorischen Pressekonferenz noch einmal Gehör. Sind alle Nachfragen abgehandelt, verkündet Werders Mediendirektor noch etwas Nebensächliches: Den Ausgang der Wahl zum „Man of the match“. Der Hauptsponsor der Grün-Weißen ist diese Saison auf diese hübsche Idee gekommen. Thomas Schaaf, der Trainer, hält bekanntlich nicht viel von solchen Spielchen, doch nach dem 2:0 gegen Energie Cottbus nickte der 47-Jährige zustimmend. Denn zum Mann des Tages wurde Mesut Özil gewählt.

Keine Frage: Nicht die im Aufwärtstrend befindlichen Nationalspieler Torsten Frings oder Tim Borowski, nicht die eingewechselten Torschützen Markus Rosenberg oder Hugo Almeida und erst recht nicht der blasse Ivan Klasnic, sondern Özil war die Hauptfigur und mit Abstand bester Bremer. Ein ehemaliger Spieler des FC Schalke 04 hielt seinen alten Klub im Kampf um die direkte Qualifikation für die Champions League auf Distanz. „Ich war froh, dass ich wieder spielen durfte. Ich wollte zeigen, dass ich der Mannschaft helfen kann“, sagte der 19-Jährige hinterher artig. Ein großer Redner wird der zarte Özil nie werden – doch möglicherweise ein großer Fußballer. Denn nach holprigem Beginn an der Weser mehren sich die Indizien, dass Werder mit der winterlichen Fünf-Millionen-Verpflichtung doch ein bemerkenswerter Transfer gelungen sein könnte. Sportchef Klaus Allofs ist jedenfalls davon überzeugt. „Ich denke, dass man ihn in Bremen jetzt erst so richtig kennenlernt. Seine Entwicklung hat richtig Fahrt aufgenommen“, sagte Allofs, für den der schwierige Einstand des Mesut Özil nur ein gewöhnlicher Prozess war: „Es war doch klar, dass so ein junger Spieler, der zu einem Spitzenteam wechselt, nicht gleich am nächsten Tag all seine Qualitäten zeigen kann. Er musste sich erst an alles bei Werder gewöhnen.“ Zwischenzeitlich war sich Özil nicht zu schade, bei der zweiten Mannschaft in der Regionalliga auszuhelfen, nun ist er nach zehn Einsätzen in der Profielf offenbar in Bremen angekommen.

Wichtig ist das für Werder auch deshalb, weil Diego in der Rückrunde nicht mehr konstant brilliert. Gegen Cottbus fehlte der Regisseur wegen Oberschenkelproblemen, Özil ersetzte ihn bestens. Auch wenn der Brasilianer am Mittwoch beim Hamburger SV wieder fit sein sollte, muss Özil vielleicht nicht auf die Bank: Schon beim 3:3 in Karlsruhe spielten Diego und der U-21-Nationalspieler nebeneinander, Özil schoss gegen den KSC sein erstes Tor für Werder. Am Sonnabend zeigte er seine bisher beste Leistung im grün-weißen Dress. Couragiert und konzentriert, pfiffig und listig trieb er das Offensivspiel an. „Er ist ein großartiger Fußballer mit viel Talent und kann viele Akzente setzen. Da kann etwas heranwachsen“, sagte Schaaf. Aber auch Bremens Trainer weiß: In punkto Durchsetzungsvermögen, Zweikampfhärte und Torgefahr fehlt dem Leichtgewicht (70 Kilo bei 1,80 Meter Körpergröße) noch einiges, mitunter wirken seine Dribblings naiv. Andererseits bringt der gläubige Moslem jene Inspiration ein, die den Unterschied ausmachen kann.

Özils Großfamilie nimmt an seiner Entwicklung übrigens großen Anteil. „Im Heimatort meiner Eltern, in Zonguldak am Schwarzen Meer, haben sie sich extra viele Satellitenanlagen angeschafft, mit denen sie deutsche Programm empfangen können“, hat Özil einmal verraten. Nach jeder Partie werde er entweder mit Trost oder Glückwünschen aus der Heimat überschüttet. Am Samstag war es ausnahmslos Letzteres.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by chrissicross on Mon May 05, 2008 11:57 am

Bremen: Der Ex-Schalker ist angekommen

Özil läutet Werders Zukunft ein

Was in Bremen gilt, hat er schon verinnerlicht. Also handelte Mesut Özil (19), der spektakuläre Winter-Transfer bei Werder so, wie sie ihm auftrugen. Nur nicht auf seine Taten zu sehr verweisen, sondern seinen persönlichen Beitrag stets als Dienst an der Gesamtheit verstehen. Entsprechend wertete der 4,3 Millionen Euro teure Einkauf aus Schalke sein bisher bestes Spiel im neuen Trikot.

"Ich bin froh, dass ich spielen durfte. Ich wollte dem Trainer beweisen, dass ich der Mannschaft helfen kann."

Ohne Diskussion: Özil, in Gelsenkirchen, wohl auch wegen zu stark empfundener Bevormundung durch Vater und Berater, als schwer erziehbar eingestuft, ist angekommen an der Weser. In seiner zehnten Bundesliga-Partie für den Tabellenzweiten wies der 19-Jährige seine immense Begabung eindrucksvoll nach, so dass sich dem Beobachter der Eindruck aufdrängte, die Zukunft bei Werder habe schon begonnen.

Diego, der Superstar, dessen Oberschenkel ein wenig verhärtet ist, musste passen. Özil, der Junge aus dem Kohlenpott, schlüpfte problemlos in die Rolle des Brasilianers. Wie selbstverständlich agierte die Nummer 11: Selbstbewusst, voller Tatendrang, auch Abwehraufgaben leistend, torgefährlich. Ein Özil wie in besten Schalker Tagen.

Und das alles wegen eines "Kullertores" in Karlsruhe? Lange habe er gebraucht für sein erstes Bundesliga-Tor, erzählte der U-21-Nationalspieler, dem dieses Erfolgserlebnis einen wahren Schub für die Psyche verliehen hat.

"Mesut nimmt nun Fahrt auf", würdigte Manager Klaus Allofs, sich die Hände reibend, weil er mal wieder recht behalten hatte gegenüber Kritikern, die bei der hohen Ablöse schon von einem Fehleinkauf geredet hatten. "Nun lernen wir Mesut", ergänzte Thomas Schaaf, "erst richtig kennen." Der Trainer sprach von einem "großartigen Fußballer", an dem er schätze, dass er bereit sei, sich einzugliedern.

Solche Spieler lieben sie bei Werder. Özil ist eine Option auf die Zukunft - für die nähere als Borowski-Ersatz, für die fernere als Diego-Vertreter. Vor allem, wenn er so auf dem Boden bleibt wie momentan. Der Youngster zum Derby beim HSV, wo er vermutlich Diego wieder vertreten muss: "Dort müssen wir uns beweisen."

Solche Worte hören sie gern in Bremen.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Ä on Tue May 06, 2008 11:54 am

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/werder/2008/05/06/aus-fuer-maserati-ferrari-und-co/millionaere-zum-volkswagen-verdonnert,geo=4455300.html

Werder thinking big, as always

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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Ricardo Jol on Tue May 06, 2008 3:21 pm

26-Otto-19 wrote:http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/werder/2008/05/06/aus-fuer-maserati-ferrari-und-co/millionaere-zum-volkswagen-verdonnert,geo=4455300.html

Werder thinking big, as always

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Otto,

Now Jol is "our" new coach I will support HSV again... Just like you! I thought about stepping over to Werder Bremen or Schalke because of Houllier and Rutten.... But, I didn't do it! I also said I would fancy the new club of former Bayern Munich legend Martin "the great" Jol.

So.... I stick with HSV....! <Ale> Biggrin
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by chrissicross on Tue May 06, 2008 3:26 pm

Well, at least we have a car sponsor now, makes about 1.2-1.5m Euro extra money for us every year.

Other clubs sell their stadium names and play in the HSH Nordbank Arena or Signal Iduna Park etc to earn some money...

And Schalke signed the same deal with VW btw, just a few weeks ago. So we´re not the only one who are thinking big... Wink
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed May 07, 2008 5:07 am

Yeah, God knows what otto is on about. If anything, that is a sign of 'thinking big' - trying to maximize profits and increase revenues, hence growing as a club, becoming 'bigger'.

Maybe he missed that part...

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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Yef on Thu May 08, 2008 11:12 am

Wiese did a Schumacher!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGplCUlBCtw

How is that not a red? Laughing
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Axeslammer on Thu May 08, 2008 11:16 am

The-Fey-Tavern wrote:Wiese did a Schumacher!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGplCUlBCtw

How is that not a red? Laughing

It's a sending off, but nowhere near a Schumacher.

Wiese had no intention to deliberately hurt Olic, it was a "maximum of clumsiness" Ale
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Allez les rouges on Thu May 08, 2008 12:56 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Diego overrated? Laugh

Stop your Diego bashing, will you? What does he need to do to convince you? Get a German passport, some gel in his hair and a goatee, and star in a Nutella ad? Rolling Eyes

@ Blut

you are clearly anti-German

on the Wiese effort – this comment amused me: " die schwuchtel soll sein rosa trikot wieder anziehen und sich von seinen schwulen in den arsch ficken lassen... sowas hat im fußball nichts zu suchen"

(time to get some more "Blut against the world" debate going re Wiese Wink )

Sorry not been around on this thread/board for a bit chaps – well done last night. I forgot there was Bundesliga and went to the opera instead. Ah well, you win some, you lose some.
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Post by chrissicross on Thu May 08, 2008 1:02 pm

With regard to Wiese: According to the rules, it wasn´t red, because he played the ball first. So it was just "dangerous play" and the consequence here is only yellow.

Wiese is mad though, what he did was far too dangerous. And his interviews after the game just showed again that he isn´t exactly the brightest fellow...
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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu May 08, 2008 1:10 pm

Fighting
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu May 08, 2008 2:43 pm

Wiese's impressive kung fu move was not intentional, and that's what counts for me. If he had seen red for that, nobody could have complained. But according to the rules, a yellow card was sufficient, as chrissi explained already.

However, the ref was to blame for the escalation of violence foremost. He was a one-sided idiot throughout the match, and could have prevented this by sending off Kompany after that brutal elbow check against Diego's neck in the first half. He didn't even book him for it. And that's just the most obvious example.

Derbies against Hamburg are always heated and often dirty, both on and off the pitch. I'm just glad that for once, our boys kept on fighting until the end, and were lucky enough to win the three points.

P.S.: Almeida's strike was a beauty. He really has one hell of a shot. Rosenberg's assist was just as impressive.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu May 08, 2008 2:54 pm

P.P.S.: In the last ten matches against Hamburg, they have only managed to beat us once.
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Post by anglophileHedgehog on Thu May 08, 2008 2:57 pm

chrissicross wrote:With regard to Wiese: According to the rules, it wasn´t red, because he played the ball first. So it was just "dangerous play" and the consequence here is only yellow.

Wiese is mad though, what he did was far too dangerous. And his interviews after the game just showed again that he isn´t exactly the brightest fellow...
Thanks chrissi, for being the voice of reason. Hug I've stumbled across far too many heated and emotional debates about the incident today.

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Thu May 08, 2008 3:06 pm

Whether the referee is technically right or not Wiese did get lucky. It sounds like the referee was rather card-happy against Bremen and he shouldn't have been putting himself in a position like that. Not that I want to see Wiese get sent off, it's just one of those cases where a yellow is a bit too soft, but considering the lack of intent a red is rather harsh. And there have been a number of other occasions where players have been sent off in similar situations, often with less awareness that the opposition player is there than Wiese had (a good example being Van Persie's red against Thun a few years back).

What are most people in Germany saying about it? That he should have seen red or that it was the correct decision?
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Post by Axeslammer on Thu May 08, 2008 3:06 pm

I still don't get why it's "just" a yellow....

He's so reckless that he endangers other players, I think the ref can send him off for that....and should have done too.

It's the same with a studs showing tackle : I don't care if your aim was to get the ball, you simply can not condone it and this behaviour can only be stopped by red cards.

Next time kick Mathijssen like that please Ale
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu May 08, 2008 3:21 pm

Most say that a red would have been appropriate, and I do understand that. It was dangerous, and it was pure luck that Olic was not seriously injured.

For me personally, the most important aspect is that if it was intentional or not. If it had been intentional, which it clearly was not, I would not only have wanted to see him being sent off, but banned for a long time as well. And I wouldn't have forgiven him that easily either.

Wiese actually did say in an interview after the match that he was sorry, and glad that Olic was not injured. He admitted that it was dangerous play by him, but it was not intentional.


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Post by Ricardo Jol on Thu May 08, 2008 3:21 pm

In the Bundesliga you get already a red card when you move 1 milimeter your elbow from left to right without hitting someone...But this karatekid stuff is no red because he didn't have the "intention"...?

it reminds me a bit of an old team mate of mine he always said "sorry ref I am not the most gifted player in the world I can't help it..." he made the most terrible fouls but he always got away with it after he apologised for his "lack" of quality...!


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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu May 08, 2008 3:27 pm

Well ricardo, 'intention' is one of the main criteria for all kinds of fouls in this sport. Be it tackles, hand-balls or kung fu moves. If you intent to seriously hurt someone, you get sent off. And that's how it should be.

And let us not forget that Wiese is not known for being a dirty player, and this is the very first time something like this happened. He is a loudmouth, his interviews tend to wind a lot of people up, but he is no dirty player.
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Post by Axeslammer on Thu May 08, 2008 3:30 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Well ricardo, 'intention' is one of the main criteria for all kinds of fouls in this sport. Be it tackles, hand-balls and kung fu moves. If you intent to seriously hurt someone, you get sent off. And that's how it should be.

And let us not forget that Wiese is not known for being a dirty player, and this is the very first time something like this happened. He is a loudmouth, his interviews tend to wind a lot of people up, but he is no dirty player.

I'm agreeing with all of this, but *still* think it's a red card Very Happy

He should have been sent off and gotten a 1 match ban.

If it had been intentional he should have gotten 6 to 8 matches.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu May 08, 2008 3:33 pm

Well, f@ck it. If he had hit Atouba, I'd probably have applauded him. Diving, dirty cheating c**t. FINISH HIM!


I should get my good old SNES out, and play some Mortal Kombat. Wiese inspired me!
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Post by Axeslammer on Thu May 08, 2008 3:37 pm

If you want to practice arguing with a Dutchie you can use the nearest wall ok

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Post by Ricardo Jol on Thu May 08, 2008 3:38 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Well ricardo, 'intention' is one of the main criteria for all kinds of fouls in this sport. Be it tackles, hand-balls or kung fu moves. If you intent to seriously hurt someone, you get sent off. And that's how it should be.

And let us not forget that Wiese is not known for being a dirty player, and this is the very first time something like this happened. He is a loudmouth, his interviews tend to wind a lot of people up, but he is no dirty player.

Wiese should have gotten a red card but I understand what you mean!

BTW Lastnight... I saw a bit of German football and one player was sent off for reacting a little bit after a player fell on him... (don't remember where it was) Straight red.... those red cards are really over the top and especially in Germany the refs are getting too childish with those cards...

Therefore I was even more amased Wiese just saw the yellow card...
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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu May 08, 2008 4:05 pm

Sorry to drag this on but I really have to side with those who say "intention" can't be the sole, or even the governing, factor.

If you drink and drive and injure someone, you no doubt haven't intended it, but you have taken that chance and deserve to be punished.

If you crash into a car containing a Stradivarius and damage the violin, the fact that you had no idea the vehicle contained anything so precious is no defence.

It's not just "intention" that's the issue here, it's negligence. The risks present in playing football will not, nor should ever be "wiped out", but the danger of these kind of "tackles", lunges etc will never be minimized until the attitude changes. Martin Taylor didn't mean to cripple Eduardo, yes we know that. But "Oh it's not so bad, he didn't mean it" is such a load of mealy-mouthed hypocritical nonsense here I'm afraid; people's safety and even careers are at stake.

Sorry to pollute your thread with this, Jungs!
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It's no pollution sir it is a very decent story!

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