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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:45 pm

Klose was at his peak in Bremen, he clearly had his best years here. He never reached that form again later. Özil became the player he is here, those years in Bremen were crucial for his career. Facts.

Accent? lol! it's the Nordisch accent that is pretty much the same in Bremen you Käsefuß!
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Fey on Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:25 pm

Klose has his best years everywhere...ozil..no his time at Schalke made him the player who he is today.

Did you know a great track is called Bremen vs Hamburg...and based on this track, Hamburg wins I must say.

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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:18 pm

That's just nonsense and you know it. Klose never scored as many goals and had as many assists in his career after he left us, or before he joined us even. He won the golden boot in 2006 as a Werder player, his undisputedly best tournament for Germany.

Özil was getting no playing time in Schalke and may have ended in the wilderndes of German football, like so many talented players before him. Werder made him the player he is today, under the guidance of Schaaf who trusted him, unlike Schalke. He blossomed playing for a proper attacking team, together with the likes of Diego etc. He won his first title with us, he won the U21 Euros as a Werder player and he set the World Cup alright in 2010 as a Werder player. Without Werder, no Mesut Özil as we know him today.

Facts Fey, you should try it sometimes.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Effenberg on Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:51 am

Blut is right. Settled.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:05 am

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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Ä on Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:15 pm

Effenberg wrote:Blut is right. Settled.

bullshit

fey is right

HSV is bigger

settled

nobody denies what blut is saying

when he says

that Werder have been the more successful and stylish team RECENTLY

for all I care, "recently" means in the last 20 years AT LEAST

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that's the thing though

fey and I think in HISTORICAL TERMS (Rommel and all)

blut pretends to be blutjung

for HIM Lahm is a HERO of EPIC proportions and the current World Champs' achievement is the biggest since 1954

 Laugh 

to a man without memory the present is ALL that counts

he cannot comprehend how BIG

HSV are

because his "memory" consists of reading "11 Freunde"

anyway

what fey is saying is that HSV

in the words of our friend bernd

are a bigger FRANCHISE

and ironically, achievement, recent one at that

has precious little to do with this

think of those gigantic BRANDS / FRANCHISES that capture the American sporting imagination

the Yankees, the Knicks, the Dallas Cowboys...

when is the last time they have won a title ?

in the NBA San Antonio just did, Miami previously, not so long ago the Mavericks

yet none of them are in the same league as the Knicks or even the Boston Celtics

Chicago were HUGE when Jordan was there, but WITHOUT him they are NOTHING

the Knicks are the Knicks, they don't need a Jordan or LeBron

by the same token Arsenal will ALWAYS be a SECOND tier FRANCHISE

not even remotely in the same league as the long suffering Liverpool

the truth is, you could send a Pep or van Gaal or Mourinho to coach Werder and it still would not put the club in the superleague division

it would not take all that much to awake the sleeping giant that is HSV

Sammer would have done the trick as sporting director, ditto Magath or indeed Kloppo

HSV could easily overtake Bayern as the biggest club in Germany, given the right management

even Dortmund could not

there are FOUR cities that feel like they matter in Das Vaterland

Berlin, Hamburg , Munich and Frankfurt

the first three are in a division of their own, primarily because Frankfurt is soulless and too small

Munich is really just a pretty sleepy village, with a unique charm, granted, but just like the Süddeutsche Zeitung, Munich feels "regional", nicht "überregional"

which leaves Hamburg and Berlin

Berlin is a hipster paradise, a poor shithole with an edgy underground flair; not bad, but pretty much useless; they don't have a proper newspaper, they have no Bürgertum, no rich people, ZERO ambition, cannot even build an average airport... really the complete OPPPOSITE of Munich

Hamburg combines the charm of Munich (of the nordic kind) with the Grossstadt feel of Berlin ; add the wealth of Frankfurt and you have a potent mix

Sammer as sporting director of HSV + Kloppo as coach and already the club would be as sexy as Bayern

wahre G

none of this diminishes the Werder achievement

the way the club has punched above its weight is off the charts

MANY of my all time favourite Bundesliga players played at Werder: Klose, Pizarro, FRINGS, WIESE, BOROWSKI..., Rehagel is one of the all time greats as well

Ballack was always a FAN as well, everybody really is; for a long time Bremen were the neutral fan's number one team, ( now it's probably Dortmund)

and THAT achieved under the guidance of a bunch of clowns

unbelievable

really

imagine how that must make clubs like Köln, Eintracht Frankfurt, Fortuna Düsseldorf... feel

könnten sich alle mal ne Scheibe abschneiden, von den Bremern
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Fey on Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:42 pm

Well said, Otto, well said. 


I think they settled with the fact that Klose and Ozil were just as big as Werder legends as Seeler and Kaltz are for HSV...which is debateble.

Not that HSV is bigger then Bremen, I think we all agree on that one. 

Look at how many titles won BEFORE the Bundesliga was made...compare that to Bayern Munich even. Yikes

The Bundesliga did to Bayern what the EPL did for Man Utd. Though Man Utd was already big before.

Let's be honest, Hamburg is perhaps the only REAL city in Germany(or you need to count Cologne+Ruhr area as one). Hafencity is amazing. Berlin, like you say, is great, but its basically one big St Pauli. And Munich is a supersized provincial town with ditto attitude, And Frankfurt, well, it looks big from the outside, but lots of wealth though.

HSV has tons of potential, but it needs to come out sooner or later. They need to get rid of their Westermanns and VDVs. For years it has been too many near relegations and mid-table finishes. I thought they were on the right track a few years ago. Shame they fell back again. But sooner or later it will come out.

As for Bremen, they did AMAZING for their size, academy, potential, fanbase etc.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:02 pm

Hamburg is the wannabe metropolis in Germany - wannabe "weltoffen", wannabe hip, wannabe stylish, but with the exception of St. Pauli, spießig und kleingeistig to the core. Even Köln is more "city" than Hamburg is.

The only real metropolis in Germany is Berlin. But it has no football club of relevance whatsoever. 

The rest of the gibberish about HSV is just that, gibberish. The funny thing is that many HSV fans (and board) actually believe it, hence they are stuck in vicious circle of nostalgia and delusion that is very typical for them, they are known for it. It's one of the reasons why the club just can't move forward, no matter how much money they piss away every season.  

Gladbach have a much more glorious past than HSV, yet they got rid themselves of those delusions and finally moved forward again, after decades of mediocrity and worse. That won't happen in Hamburg, Hamburger "Großmannssucht" won't allow it. No wonder you like the club so much Fey, you have so much in common...
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Antarion on Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:14 am

Eh, sorry Blut, but Otto is pretty spot on concerning the 4 cities in Germany and their "flair". Hamburg is great with exception for their football  Smile .

Speaking of football - I am also amazed how well Bremen does compared to other big cities with potential like Düsseldorf, Cologne, Frankfurt or Nuremberg.

Hanover are on a good way though, even if I don't like them. They got Frankfurts main striker. Shows about the strength of two cities that should be equal (or Frankfurt even stronger). But Frankfurt does lose out again it seems.


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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:08 am

It's nonsense because Germany can not be compared to the UK. Germany has always been federalist, hence there are many cities of importance, both in cultural terms and economically. He says that Frankfurt is "too small", yet the metropolitan area of Frankfurt is as big as Munich's, and it's as rich, as the 'Speckgürtel' around Frankfurt is actually the richest and most expensive area in Germany. Plus, Eintracht Frankfurt benefit from the lack of true local competition, too, just like Bayern München do.

The by far biggest metropolitan area in Germany is Rhein-Ruhr btw., it's like one huge city, consisting of many smaller cities. The difference here however is the huge competition of many local clubs of great importance and tradition. It's the 'heart' of German football, means nowhere else supporters are so fanatic about the sport than here. So just taking economic or demographic criteria into consideration to assess the potential and 'reach' of clubs is total nonsense - London is by far the richest and most important area in the UK, yet it's Manchester United, located in the relatively poor Manchester, that is the global brand of English football, miles ahead of the London clubs in every aspect. Or Liverpool, another English juggernaut located in the 'working class' North.

That's why Dortmund has always been the 'sleeping giant'. Not prawn sandwich Hamburg and it's delusional fans, but Dortmund, located in the epicenter of German football, where people live and breathe football. Rhein-Ruhr has the economics (triangle of Köln - Düsseldorf - Bonn amongst the richest in Germany, many companies of global importance have their headquarters here etc.), it has the population (most densely populated area in the country), but above all, it has the the huge tradition and fanaticism, which means jumping on the Südtribüne and pushing your team forward for 90 and more minutes instead of taking selfies with your ugly gear all the time to put it on Facebook.

Werder is just a very well run club that 'owns' the Northwestern (and pretty much most of the Northeastern part, too) part of the country. HSV fans are mostly in and around Hamburg plus Schleswig Holstein, the area that is more Denmark than Germany to be fair. Werder is not blessed with a rich environment, it's not the most populated area either. But what we have here is a genuine love for the club that is infectious, it's one of the oldest German clubs with huge tradition. And we are run by people who care about the club and the sport, who don't try to 'make a name' of themselves by using the club as a means of gaining popularity, by being a total pillock basically, like most of the people in charge of HSV are.  

That's more important than pure economics. And since globalisation of the sport is moving forward every day, the local aspects are losing importance in economic terms anyway. There is a huge market out there. To win it, you have to be able to tell a 'story'. People abroad couldn't care less that HSV should be doing better with the resources they have, they care about the 'story', something they can relate to, be it players, philosophy, style etc. Werder understood this pretty well, but lost track in the last few years, unfortunately. We have to take steps in that direction to become truly relevant again, not just in Germany, but abroad, too.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Antarion on Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:42 am

Keep calm. I only said otto is spot on when he was describing and comparing the "feel" of Munich, Berlin, Hamburg and Frankfurt to each other. Nothing else. And nothing to do with football.

Of course you are correct that football is no math and the richest cities don't have to contain the best clubs. It is mainly about passion and tradition. Which is why you are correct, that working class clubs are the standouts here most of the time. And thats a good thing.  ok 


blutgraetsche wrote: It's nonsense because Germany can not be compared to the UK. Germany has always been federalist, hence there are many cities of importance, both in cultural terms and economically. He says that Frankfurt is "too small", yet the metropolitan area of Frankfurt is as big as Munich's, and it's as rich, as the 'Speckgürtel' around Frankfurt is actually the richest and most expensive area in Germany. Plus, Eintracht Frankfurt benefit from the lack of true local competition, too, just like Bayern München do.

And yet Frankfurt are so bad footballing wise. Even though the city is super rich and they benefit from a lack competition. You have to wonder why. So its not pure nonsense. Frankfurt is a dissapointment here and they have all reasons in the world to look up to Werder.
 
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That's more important than pure economics. And since globalisation of the sport is moving forward every day, the local aspects are losing importance in economic terms anyway. There is a huge market out there. To win it, you have to be able to tell a 'story'. People abroad couldn't care less that HSV should be doing better with the resources they have, they care about the 'story', something they can relate to, be it players, philosophy, style etc. Werder understood this pretty well, but lost track in the last few years, unfortunately. We have to take steps in that direction to become truly relevant again, not just in Germany, but abroad, too.

Thats more like it. BUT a big city and good economics should still have much more potential than a facebook-town alone. Its not like you couldn't bring those stories to bigger cities too.

Yeah in Germany there will probably always be the Kaiserslautern, Bremens and Mönchengladbachs. Medium sized cities but with much passion and flair that have their ups and downs but in the end will be more successful than Cologne or Nuremberg. Those might always be better options than the big and less successful cities.

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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:08 am

But there is no automatism. Frankfurt may have the environment, but they simply don't have the right people in charge and they don't have a tradition of stability and managerial competence. Just because your club is located in a relatively rich area it doesn't mean you have to expect success and if it doesn't happen, it's failure. That's overly simplistic, otherwise Aston Villa would be a more successful team than Liverpool or Man United, for example. But Villa are not a 'failure' because they haven't reached the same status.

Those clubs don't "punch below their weight". To punch below your weight, you have to perform better to begin with, and do so on a consistent basis. HSV haven't done jack shit in 30 and more years. 30 years in the football business are aeons, it basically was a completely different ball game back then, in every aspect, especially economically.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Fey on Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:36 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Hamburg is the wannabe metropolis in Germany - wannabe "weltoffen", wannabe hip, wannabe stylish, but with the exception of St. Pauli, spießig und kleingeistig to the core. Even Köln is more "city" than Hamburg is.

The only real metropolis in Germany is Berlin. But it has no football club of relevance whatsoever. 

The rest of the gibberish about HSV is just that, gibberish. The funny thing is that many HSV fans (and board) actually believe it, hence they are stuck in vicious circle of nostalgia and delusion that is very typical for them, they are known for it. It's one of the reasons why the club just can't move forward, no matter how much money they piss away every season.  

Gladbach have a much more glorious past than HSV, yet they got rid themselves of those delusions and finally moved forward again, after decades of mediocrity and worse. That won't happen in Hamburg, Hamburger "Großmannssucht" won't allow it. No wonder you like the club so much Fey, you have so much in common...

No, I like them because like me, they are hafenkinder! They carry the same seagull shit as me as birthcertificate, carry the scars of war, though, unlike Hamburg, Rotterdam is poor as fuck. Luckily some rich owner gave HSV 17 million again, lets hope they spend it wisely.

As for Bremen, they are the German equivalent of Groningen. Which isnt a bad thing mind you!
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:03 pm

lol!

Rotterdam: 610.000 population

Bremen: 550.000 population

Such a huge difference! Rotterdam has a lot more in common with Bremen than Hamburg. FACT.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Ä on Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:14 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Hamburg is the wannabe metropolis in Germany - wannabe "weltoffen", wannabe hip, wannabe stylish, but with the exception of St. Pauli, spießig und kleingeistig to the core. Even Köln is more "city" than Hamburg is.
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fuck

you are one jealous mother

fucker

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you take this Bremen vs Hamburg rivalry FAR TOO seriously

in your very own blinkered way

there cannot be ANYTHING good about Hamburg

which is just plain silly

of course Hamburg can be serious and stuffy, which comes with having a conservative, closed-off, stuffy Bürgertum

of course Hamburg can be spiessig, which comes with having a strong Arbeitermilieu , Hamburg is a SPD Hochburg after all

still, the place IS weltoffen and a true Weltstadt, if of the small kind

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you mistake Ambition and "hohe Standards" with "Grosskotzigkeit"

Hamburg thinks big, Bremen thinks small, immer dieses lächerliche Klein-Klein

Hamburg actually BID to stage the Olympics, when really, their chance of hosting them was pretty darn small; Bremen is always so ridiculously "eingeschüchtert"

the second Werder failed to significantly increase their stadium capacity, they became a second tier club in my mind; I remember chrissi dreaming of a 50-55,000 stadium

then they rediscovered their "immer mit den Füssen auf dem Boden-bleiben" attitude ,  modernised their smallish arena WITHOUT hitting the 50.000 seat capacity

and became a middling Bundesliga club

unthinkable in Hamburg, Stuttgart, Düsseldorf, Cologne...

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you are on the money, blut, when you say that MANY factors determine whether a club is or can become a big MARKE, a brand

and yes, wealth of the homebase is merely one, in certain circumstances it's not even needed

there is no science behind what makes a brand; a lot has to do with HISTORY (ancient and recent) but also PERCEPTION, by fans, neutrals, the media...

how a club is PERCEIVED often has something to do where it hails from though, irrespective of the performance on the pitch

which favours a team like the NY Knicks, because, frankly, NY continues to be the sexiest city on earth; the Oaklahoma City Thunder with Durant and Co could win 5 titles in a row but would NEVER become the brand that the Knicks are

Liverpool are what they are because of their fantastic football history, which was not merely 5 consecutive good years but a form of European and national dominance as well; coming from a poor/working class part of the country does not have to be a bad thing either; the roots of the game are hardly posh, innit ?

ultimately, a club needs to create a MYTH though to become a national or international brand; in fact it can be many myths/stories that the club tells, each reaching a different audience

the reason why fans in HK love Liverpool or Arsenal can be very different to those why Englanders love those clubs , of course

it helps though to be considered BIG at home before capturing a global audience; Werder may have their fans abroad; true youngish football fans who actually watch the games; but once HSV start winning national and international titles it will not be a contest, because Hamburg as a CITY has a completely different aura


then again, sporting brilliance CAN somewhat compensate a rather "internationally unknown" homebase, as Dortmund currently show

but one or two years ago they were not merely successful, but they played the sexiest football on earth

do THAT for a few years and you create a BRAND, but chances of being a brand amongst "mere" football fans and reaching a NON-football audience as well, like Real and Barca have done, are more limited

which is why HSV will always have greater potential as a brand than Dortmund

anyway

here's a recent football brand ranking

it clearly takes RECENT success heavily into consideration, Bayern are AHEAD of Real and Barca after all (which is bullshit)

still

in this sense HSV should be WAY below Werder

however

http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/top-50-football-club-brands-2014

 Whistle 

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another good indication

which clubs does Emirates Airlines sponsor in Europe ?

presumably they wanted clubs that have a high media profile in their country but ALSO abroad

well, here they come

AC Milan, Real Madrid, Arsenal, ParisSG, HSV (+Olympiacos )

meanwhile, Werder have

Wiesenhof

 Biggrin

the Emirates deal is alleged to be worth 7.5 million per year

Wiesenhof pay Werder 4-5 million per year

you do the maths, blut   Biggrin


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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Fey on Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:11 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:lol!

Rotterdam: 610.000 population

Bremen: 550.000 population

Such a huge difference! Rotterdam has a lot more in common with Bremen than Hamburg. FACT.

That's just the core city, Rijnmond alone has 1.5 million people I believe.

And it's part of the Randstad, which has an even higher density then Rhein-Ruhr.

IE its the most populated part of one of the most dense populated countries on earth.

So, compared to Bremen, which is in the middle of nowhere...

Which isnt a bad thing mind you! Bremen still has it's classic appearance, Rotterdam not so much( we all know who to blame for that) It's a combination of Hamburg-Frankfurt and Dortmund Very Happy

Also you have Wiesenhof as sponsor? Poor chickens!!!!
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:53 am

otto, I most likely know Hamburg better than anyone on here. My sister went to university there, I've been there a million times. It is the most beautiful German city, one of the most beautiful European cities, but it's not a 'Weltstadt'. The vast majority of its population is very 'kleingeistig'. Not just spießig, but very very insular and small minded. Bremen may have a 'provincial' edge to it, but its share of 'Bildungsbürgetum' and 'Weltoffenheit' is considerably higher than Hamburg's. Bremen is known for Hanseatic modesty and understatement, yes, but you shouldn't confuse that with 'thinking small'. If Bremen was 'thinking small', it wouldn't have been the richest German city for centuries, thanks to a huge income from trading with the world.

It all went south in the last few decades for various reasons, but the character of the city remains. In Hamburg however, they've always had a very inflated view of themselves. That is not 'thinking big', it's being delusional.

My sister loved (and still loves) Hamburg actually, had and has many friends there, loved her time as a university student. But then she went to Berlin for a month for an internship. She went back, packed her things, left and never looked back again. That's all you need to know about 'Weltstadt'.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:58 am

Fey wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:lol!

Rotterdam: 610.000 population

Bremen: 550.000 population

Such a huge difference! Rotterdam has a lot more in common with Bremen than Hamburg. FACT.

That's just the core city, Rijnmond alone has 1.5 million people I believe.

And it's part of the Randstad, which has an even higher density then Rhein-Ruhr.

IE its the most populated part of one of the most dense populated countries on earth.

So, compared to Bremen, which is in the middle of nowhere...

Which isnt a bad thing mind you! Bremen still has it's classic appearance, Rotterdam not so much( we all know who to blame for that) It's a combination of Hamburg-Frankfurt and Dortmund Very Happy

Also you have Wiesenhof as sponsor? Poor chickens!!!!

Actually, the metropolitan area "Weser-Ems" has close to 3 million inhabitants. All those farmers and other heathens living in the 'Speckgürtel' around Bremen, congesting the streets and being generally annoying.

Bremen's city centre was bombed to shreds, not much 'classic appearance' left I'm afraid. It used to be a much more beautiful city before WW2, but that more or less applies to all German cities, especially the likes of Köln and Hannover.
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Post by Fey on Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:31 pm

Haha, you silly Bratwurst vom Rost! That's basically the whole of Nedersaksen, that doesnt count.
Rotterdam feels a lot bigger then Bremen, one cant deny. Thats because it is. You dont even have an U-bahn! Havent been in Bremen for ages but the East side of the market looked still old. And Bremen still has Schnoor, which is quite cool I must say.

Bremen came out of the war quite good, though bare in mind, its after war politics why cities look so shite today, in Poland(a far poorer nation) they rebuild some cities again in their original style, though it quite feels las vegas-esque at times. But for many people the war was a blessing, finally some decent roads for cars in the center of cities, how wrong they were eh.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Ä on Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:03 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:otto, I most likely know Hamburg better than anyone on here. My sister went to university there, I've been there a million times. It is the most beautiful German city, one of the most beautiful European cities, but it's not a 'Weltstadt'. The vast majority of its population is very 'kleingeistig'. Not just spießig, but very very insular and small minded. Bremen may have a 'provincial' edge to it, but its share of 'Bildungsbürgetum' and 'Weltoffenheit' is considerably higher than Hamburg's. Bremen is known for Hanseatic modesty and understatement, yes, but you shouldn't confuse that with 'thinking small'. If Bremen was 'thinking small', it wouldn't have been the richest German city for centuries, thanks to a huge income from trading with the world.

It all went south in the last few decades for various reasons, but the character of the city remains. In Hamburg however, they've always had a very inflated view of themselves. That is not 'thinking big', it's being delusional.

My sister loved (and still loves) Hamburg actually, had and has many friends there, loved her time as a university student. But then she went to Berlin for a month for an internship. She went back, packed her things, left and never looked back again. That's all you need to know about 'Weltstadt'.

blut, you are a sweet chap

what what you say is BULLshit though

Hamburg is definetely NOT Germany's most beautiful city

München, Dresden, Wien, Prag... are ALL prettier

Hamburg being "kleingeistig" :  Shocked 

even their SPD mayors/politicians like Schmidt, v. Dohnanyi... were worldly-wise

Bremen having a larger share of Bildungsbürgertum than Hamburg

 lol! 

you don't even have a proper university

communists all of them

and fey IS right, the historic center of Bremen IS VERY PRETTY, if small

Unesco and all

I am and always have been a fan of Bremen, even if it's not match for Oldenburg

but Hamburg it ain't

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Bremen is the Greece of Germany  Neutral 

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article131227653/Bremen-entwickelt-sich-zum-deutschen-Griechenland.html
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:33 am

The last time I checked (which means not when Adolf was still in charge...), Wien and Prag were not Germany...

Hamburg is definitely more beautiful than both München and Dresden. Hamburg has more bridges than any other European city, the Alster alone is more beautiful than anything you can find in both München and Dresden.

As if Hamburg's university is anything to write home about. Unlike Hamburg, Bremen's University is actually amongst the elite universities of the country. Some of the faculties are amongst the best in the country. Communists? You don't have a clue what you're talking about, it's a tired cliché, if anything. But even those retired 'leftist' professors like Prof. Hickel are eminent authorities in their areas, well respected and well-known.

And yes, the percentage of 'Bildungsbürgertum' in Bremen is considerably higher than in Hamburg. In Bremen, the donkeys live outside of the city gates (and in Bremerhaven, some sixty miles away - Bremerhaven is what has ruined Bremen's finances), while in Hamburg, they're pretty much in it. It actually boils down to this: Hamburg is prettier, but shame about the population. Bremen is smaller, less pretty, but the population is hell of a lot more enlightened. FACTS. Ale
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Ä on Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:01 am

blutgraetsche wrote:

Hamburg is definitely more beautiful than both München and Dresden. Hamburg has more bridges than any other European city, the Alster alone is more beautiful than anything you can find in both München and Dresden.


if beauty is in the eye of the

Bierholder

the ultimate judge is us Münchner

for THIS



is the BEST Bier in the Welt

 cheers 

look blut,

we can quibble about beauty for all we like

you can certainly find Hamburg more "interesting", "edgy", "worldly", "fascinating", "appealing" or God knows what else

THAN München

and fey will certainly agree

but BEAUTY

as in picture postcard pretty

is the category in which München tops Hamburg by the length of ALL Autobahnen combined

it's not even a contest

instead of going to Hamburg a thousand times, you should have left the north a bit more and headed south of the Donau

München has the ISAR, a WILD, ie "renaturierter" Alpine river going right through the city, which is a million times better than the Alster

hire a Mountainbike and cycle from Ismaning to Grünwald and you know exactly what I mean

from the Englischer Garten to Orleonsplatz

or simply the mountainbackdrop of the city



München is head and shoulders above Hamburg beauty wise

I love the Hamburg harbour, Hafen/Speicherstadt, Innen/Aussenalster...

but it's not enough to top Nymphenburg, Olympiapark, the endless Biergärten, ...

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you CLEARLY have not been to Dresden either

try it, it's well worth a visit



blutgraetsche wrote:And yes, the percentage of 'Bildungsbürgertum' in Bremen is considerably higher than in Hamburg. In Bremen, the donkeys live outside of the city gates (and in Bremerhaven, some sixty miles away - Bremerhaven is what has ruined Bremen's finances), while in Hamburg, they're pretty much in it. It actually boils down to this: Hamburg is prettier, but shame about the population. Bremen is smaller, less pretty, but the population is hell of a lot more enlightened. FACTS. Ale

this is where it's getting silly

to use the word BILDUNG in association with either Hamburg or Bremen is

just taking the piss

you might be able to fool Johnny Foreigner with this nonsense

but no GERMAN will ever buy that crap

Hamburg AND Bremen are so piss-poor at educating anybody

they've frankly become a national joke

just look at the latest Pisastudies, and take the ones looking at kids WITHOUT Migrationshintergrund

I think Bremen is even lagging behind Ghana

pathetic

even most East German Bundesländer are WAY ahead

compared to Bayern or BW you can probably take away 0.5 from your average Zeugnisschnitt compared to those Hanseaten

a 1.0 Abi in Hamburg/Bremen is probably a 1.5-2.0 in München

the reason being that Hamburg/Bremen are SPD run, and their Gleichheitswahn, ("we are all EQUAL", "excellence=
priviledge"...) cannot stand academic achievement

still

Hamburg and Bremen partially make up for that with their Grossbürgertum + their trading class

Hanseaten are Kaufleute in a way Schwaben are Tüftler

as for your image of Hamburg

it feels like you think all of Hamburg is Altona

when really, there is also a Harvestehude, Othmarschen...

pity
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Fey on Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:29 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:
My sister loved (and still loves) Hamburg actually, had and has many friends there, loved her time as a university student. But then she went to Berlin for a month for an internship. She went back, packed her things, left and never looked back again. That's all you need to know about 'Weltstadt'.

It shows exactly the problem with Berlin, it's appealing for students, yes. But if you are an entrepreneur in something that isnt hipster, you visit Hamburg or Munich and pack your company and never look back again.

As for the aesthetic beauty of Hamburg.

Well, one cant deny that the war left it's wounds, and in the postcard sense of the word, it wont be considered beautiful by many people. Unlike Bremen or Munich or Passau and Trier. Cant judge on Dresden, but historically this was the most beautiful city das Vaterlands, until Britain committed that warcrime.

But it is considered pretty by me, cause I can appreciate modern architecture. Many cool cities look like utter shit, like Tokio or Berlin for example.

Munich is considered pretty by many people, but its pretty for a big German post-war city by German standards, compared to Dutch, Belgian etc, cities its nothing special.

And for me it's too bland, lovely surroundings though.

Then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Ä on Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:23 pm

Fey wrote:

Munich is considered pretty by many people, but its pretty for a big German post-war city by German standards, compared to Dutch, Belgian etc, cities its nothing special.

And for me it's too bland, lovely surroundings though.

..

obviously, Brussels, Brügge, Amsterdam.... , Paris, Florence.... and MANY other cities are FAR more beautiful than Munich

if somebody had bombed them during WW2 it would be a different story

still, Munich IS pretty

even if it lacks EDGE

it's a village really, and it's basically about Gemütlichkeit

Munich is at its best in autumn, during the Oktoberfest

Hamburg is unique due to its Hafenflair

I love it

but in terms of pure aesthetics, it's not even in the top 20 in Germany

as always, blut is a raving mad

 Very Happy 

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of course, Wien und Prag sind "germanisch"

has nothing to do with Hitler AT ALL

but HISTORY

blut does not really understand that Austria is GERMAN as well

not politically, but culturally, historically, and basically geographically as well

feel free to give the Bremer a lesson in history, fey

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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Ä on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:07 pm

http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/bildungsmonitor-2014-berlin-bremen-meck-pomm-in-diesen-bundeslaendern-bringt-sich-die-jugend-sich-um-die-eigene-zukunft_id_4071118.html


so much for Bremen and EDUCATION
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:44 pm

My sister wasn't a student anymore when she moved to Berlin. Berlin appeals to everyone, that's why so many foreigners buy property there these days, inflating the prices.

München is one big village, it's very provincial. Pretty, sure, but rather congested, too. And if I want that pretty Southern German "Knusperhäuschen" style, I go to Regensburg or Heidelberg, for example, which are far prettier in comparison. Hamburg actually looks like a "Weltstadt", shame about the people though...

otto, don't confuse schools with universities. The University of Bremen is top class, as can be seen in the links I posted. This doesn't mean that the school system is as good as well. The University of Hamburg isn't crap, but it's not a elite Uni either. Bremen's clearly is.
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Fey on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:20 am

Ohhh Blutty...




Is this real? Look how fat Ailton is..hilarious
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Antarion on Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:50 am

#stillbetterthanFred Biggrin
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Ä on Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:13 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/tim-wiese-offered-wwe-role-after-former-germany-goalkeeper-packs-on-muscle-as-a-free-agent-9735405.html

Smile

what a sad story though

once

easily

Germany's best keeper

now

somewhat

a figure of fun

his career as a goalie is , sadly

finished
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Re: Werder Bremen 2014/2015

Post by Fey on Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:54 pm

3 points in 5 games...thats even worse then us Blut.

Also you think Schalke is still a smaller club, they are your bogey team. Not a win in 8 years or so.

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