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Re: SACK Lw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Allez les rouges on Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:39 pm

Heim ins Reich Rolling Eyes

Interesting that Bierhoff now admits his was not a very nice way of going about things...

"Bierhoff zieht noch einmal ein Fazit und erklrt, dass vieles in erster Linie ein Missverstndnis war. Das Ultimatum von Zwanziger war gar keins - und Bierhoff hat gelernt: "Bei den nchsten Vertragsverhandlungen werden ich sicher nicht gleich mit einem ausgearbeiteten Papier auftauchen. Gerade wenn man so ein Verhltnis hat wie wir hier, muss man da vielleicht gleich darber persnlich sprechen."

You reckon...
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Post by Antarion on Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:54 pm

Nothing surprising. As I've expected.

They dont want the media to make trouble before the world cup. But after the cup, everything could happen - and unless we have a showing in the final i can see both go.
Or maybe only Bierhoff who knows.

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Re: SACK Lw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by pete1 on Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:14 pm

I don't think that the DFB is finished with Loew IF we get a decent result in South Africa. Bierhoff, on the other hand ,is probably a fired man walking, depending how he behaves during his time of parole. He clearly misjudged his influence/ powerbase and got a bit power crazy. Zwanziger was clearly hurt on a human level and watching and listening to him at the conference today it did not strike me as likely that he will be able to forgive and forget in a hurry.
Niersbach seemed to be very sincere in regretting his own behaviour but I can't shed the feeling that he is already honing a knife.
Refering to how long he and Bierhoff knew each other he said,, I believe I once tried to teach you to play Skat. Without much success, as I recall''
I wonder what he was implying?
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Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:35 pm

lates revelations about Bierhoff and Lw

apparently, they suggested that the DFB could raise the money for THEIR BONUS

by organising additional international games of the Mannschaft

Laugh

Bierhoff also wanted a RAISE for his secretary

and wanted permission for his company, Projekt-B, to work with the Mannschaft

Yikes

he also asked for a separate Nationalmannschaft BUDGET to be managed by him

presumably to then give himself a RAISE

Laugh

no wonder Zwanziger responded with his ULTIMATUM
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Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:48 pm

according to Sportbild

Lw is now so FED UP with the DFB (despite the truce) that he will certainly NOT stay on after the World Cup

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/dfb-team/1002/Artikel/joachim-loew-tritt-als-bundestrainer-nach-der-wm-zurueck-medienbericht-matthias-sammer-als-nachfolger-oliver-kahn-manager.html

possible candidates to replace him are Klopp, Hitzfeld and Hiddink

Laugh

whereas Sammer would be happy to become overall sporting director of the DFB with Kahn getting Bierhoff's job

interesting stuff

In der Sitzung nannten Lw und Bierhoff ihre Forderungen fr eine Vertragsverlngerung. Dabei soll es sich laut "Sport-Bild" um Bonusforderungen von zwei Millionen Euro pro Jahr - also insgesamt vier Millionen Euro - gehandelt haben, das unter dem gesamten Trainerteam aufgeteilt htte werden sollen.

Verbaler Schlagabtausch zwischen Zwanziger und Bierhoff
Zwanziger soll darauf emprt reagiert haben und in der Sitzung, die ohne Lw stattfand, gesagt haben: "Ich bin sehr enttuscht von Joachim Lw." Im weiteren Verlauf soll laut "Sport-Bild" ein heftiger verbaler Schlagabtausch zwischen Zwanziger und Bierhoff entbrannt sein.


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ie

Bierhoff and Zwanziger had a SHOUTING match

and Zwanziger told Bierhoff he was disappointed with Lw

Laugh

anyway

the NIGHTMARE is finished for good

German football has defeated the CANCER that was threatening to eat it from within

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Post by Antarion on Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:51 pm

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/dfb-team/1002/Artikel/joachim-loew-tritt-als-bundestrainer-nach-der-wm-zurueck-medienbericht-matthias-sammer-als-nachfolger-oliver-kahn-manager.html

Lw will not sign new contract after the wc according to several news sites.

Sammer may become a supervisor and Kahn replaces Bierhoff as the team manager.
New coach could be Hitfeld or Klopp until Sammer will get it later on.

Rumors, but i think its definately a possible scenario. Bierhoff will not get any new contract imo.


OK, Otto was faster Wink
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Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:03 pm

Klopp as Nationaltrainer would be RIDICULOUS

he has won NOTHING so far

is mostly a product of the MEDIA

is a FRIEND of Klinsi's

and a client of Projekt-B, Bierhoff's company

I hope this is a joke

as for Hitzfeld

he has REPEATEDLY rejected the Germany job when we really NEEDED him

he does not deserve it NOW, when we have the players with whom even van Gaal would become European Champ

Hrubesch, Heynckes, Rehagel or Magath should get it Ale
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Post by Stiftung Haeschentest on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:07 pm

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:

as for Hitzfeld

he has REPEATEDLY rejected the Germany job when we really NEEDED him

he does not deserve it NOW, when we have the players with whom even van Gaal would become European Champ

Hrubesch, Heynckes, Rehagel or Magath should get it Ale

ok

I am with you for once.
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Post by Antarion on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:19 pm

He has won nothing, like Lw and Klinsmann as coaches before. And at least he shows that he could actually manage some teams.
I dont think he would be the worst choice, but also not the best. And I think he will stay at Dortmund.

Next up, Hitzfeld. I agree with you that he had rejected the job when he was needed, because he may have feared for his reputation after the 2004 disaster of our national team. I think as bad as Klinsmann was as a person, he did a somewhat magnificant job after those shit performances before.
He wouldnt deserve it now, but from a coaching standpoint, it would still be a good desicion.

Rehagel: While i like him i dont think he would suit us. He is too traditional and too old...kinda. I dont think it would work with our young team. He can't handle stars.

I could see the other three though, and would really love it, if Magath would do it. The questions are always...which coaches would quit their actual job to get the Lw job?
Would Magath really quit at Schalke after just one year?
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Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:25 pm

Magath would NOT quit Schalke

he already said a few months back that he needs to smell GRASS

EVERY DAY

he is not interested in playing Nationaltrainer

Heynckes I think would be tempted

Hrubesch as well: he is also available really, just like Sammer, who does not have the experience though

Klopp is doing a good job at Dortmund but needs more time to mature

amazing how well Skibbe is doing at Frankfurt now

not the kind of person I like

still, he is doing a good job

just like Daum and Doll in Turkey, by the way
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Post by Antarion on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:41 pm

Such a pity regarding Magath. But you can understand his addiction to grass Smile

Heynckes..do you really think he would be tempted? After all, he didn't want to coach again not so long ago. And while he gained some momentum again at Leverkusen now, I dont think he would do ANOTHER switch so soon.

Hrubesch is a hot number to put your money on atm. I mean it is Sammer who would be the "supervisor" and knowing how good these two harmonize on the U levels so far, I could see it happening. Sammer will have him in mind for sure.


Doll might make a good job, but I can still hear his Durchhalteparolen he told week after week in the post-match interviews. lol!
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Re: SACK Lw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Puro on Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:16 am

German mes amis! any chance that Germany hires a foreigner to train your "Die Mannschaft"? or is that out of the question being that you are one of the big four in football with Brasil, Argentina, and Italia, and they -rightly so- will never hire a foreigner to lead their national team.
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Post by Antarion on Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:38 am

I think the only requirement is to speak German.
I dont think we will see a Swiss, Austrian or Dutch coach soon though. There are many Germans who can do it.
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Post by Allez les rouges on Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:20 am

Hrubesch would be AWESOME, perfect successor in my view cheers

Rehhagel a definite backwards step, Hitzfeld too really, Magath despite his undoubted extreme effectiveness I'm slightly uncomfortable with...

Not the remotest need to even think about a foreign coach, it's not as if the team/setup is in trouble and there are no Germans up to the job, as Antarion said. Maybe there would have been a case for it in 2000/2004, though I'm happy things didn't go that way...
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Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:55 am

Antarion wrote:

OK, Otto was faster Wink

good news travels FAST cheers

@puro

Germany should NEVER employ a foreign EVER

but after the Euro 2000 debacle people like Hiddink and Wenger WERE approached to SAVE the Mannschaft

the clowns declined though Shocked cheers

at the moment we have so many potential Germany managers, all of whom would be mouthwatering options, that the debate will not arise

in general though, Germans are very self-conscious and suspect that ANYTHING foreign must be BETTER

the exceptions being CARS, Beer, Environmental Awareness and Moral Superiority

where they consider themselves to be the best in the world

one day a Dutchie will be Chancellor of Germany

a Brazilian will manage the Mannschaft

and the only food allowed in the Vaterland will be Turkish, Italian and Venezuelan

wahre G
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Post by Allez les rouges on Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:14 am

You probably think German food is the best in the world Otto Smile
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Re: SACK Lw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:58 pm

Allez les rouges wrote:You probably think German food is the best in the world Otto Smile

not really

I would want some German food as my final meal

BUT

the best food in the world is CLEARLY

CHINESE

(the real mainland stuff, NOT what you get in Europe under that name)

<Ale>

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Ziegenthaler, the utterly incompetent SWISS expert and Lw scout , is about to become HSV sports director

lol!

a) this means the beginning of the end at the Holland Sports Verein

b) it's a clear sign that the Lw era is coming to an end with the MAnnschaft

cheers
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Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:30 am

lol!

Lw fucked up BIG TIME yet again

and so did ADLER

Laugh

my analysis of the situation was 100% right yet again

we are clearly

DOOOOOMMMMEEEEDDD

4 more months and the LW/KLINSI/Bierhoff/Ziegenthaler ERA is finished

and I

for once

will be a happy man and support the Mannschaft

YET AGAIN

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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:59 am

The SZ describes the goal as "ein Anflug von Tim-Wiese-Krankheit" Smile

Despite that Adler is one of the things Jogi has got right. The same cannot be said of Tasci (surely there are at least three better alternatives out there), the strikers look awful, the jury is still out on Ballack-Schweini at 6 (the former's form is a worry) and maybe in general we might not have been so outplayed if we'd gone with players in form (Kroos, Marin) over the likes of zil and Podolski.

Still, there's time yet and the surfeit of attacking midfielders is something that has to be turned to advantage rather than being wasted. Nine midfielders for the WM?
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Re: SACK Lw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:17 pm

ADLER was SHITE

when he came out

+

there was another instance where he was so far off his line that Veron nearly lobbed him to score

+

once, when Adler had plenty of time, he just whacked the ball out

=

confidence inspiring stuff for the defence, says I Laugh

+

Adler's confidence will be shaken as well

Kahn is right to blame ADLER for THAT goal 100% ("wenn du rauskommst, muss du ihn haben")

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and why did we defend up so high ?

typical LW nonsense which reminded me of 2006 (vs Costa Rica)

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read the comments of the players though

they were mostly set to to defend and be well composed

to CONTAIN the GAUCHOS

ie

we had a purely REACTIVE set-up

AT HOME

Grr

Tasci, Boateng (who did NOTHING up front) and Mller were either a joke or invisible

Ballack too defensive, in an attempt to chaperone Schweini

and traditional regulars like Merte, Lahm and Poldi were equally off the boil

what pissed me off most though was that the team played ANGSTHASENFUSSBALL

the Gauchos were always ONE step faster to the ball

they attacked us in our own half

and even with ten minutes left on the clock, NONE of our players could be bothered to chase the ball in the Gaucho half

they were just counting down the minutes

even the players with the fresh legs Doh

either our boys were NOT motivated

or they were not fit enough (impossible)

or they were AFRAID, as Spiegel thinks

my feeling is that Lw and Ziegenthaler talked so much about ARGIE strengths that our lads ended up being totally intimidated and reactive

and why did we not use our HEIGHT advantage ? Doh

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Ballack clearly thinks the combo with Schweini is a bad idea as well Ale

interesting little thought

if DIEGO is as incompetent as everybody says

and Lw is as indispensable as everybody says

what exactly does yesterday's game MEAN then ?

thnk about it :ale Grr
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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:37 pm

I hactually agree with a lot of that (though think you're far too hard on Boateng and Mller).

A propos of the above, do you know a lot about China Otto?
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Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:56 am

Marin is PISSED off with Lw

and does not know what he has to do to get a few minutes in the Mannschaft

he just went PUBLIC with his disappointment

http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/fussball/nationalmannschaft/2010/03/05/marko-marin/enttaeuscht-von-bundestrainer-joachim-loew.html

it also appears that HUNT is disappointed

they clearly do not understand why Mller and Kroos are suddenly ahead of them

as for Wiese: he revealed that he LEARNT from JOURNALISTS that Adler was now the NUMBER 1

NOT

from Kpke

UNLIKE

NEUER

once again , PISS-POOR COMMUNICATION policy that just alienates the players and creates a hostily beyond even our wildest FEARS

meanwhile, publications like Sportbild are now beginning to wonder OUT LOUD whether ADLER has what the Mannschaft needs

HAUSGEMACHTE SCHEISSE

says I

SACK LW

NOW

and appoint HRUBESCH or SAMMER

IMMEDIATELY

it's NOT TOO LATE Ale
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Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:21 pm

Horeni is a Klinsi and Lw intimus

and therefore EVIL

but the following idea makes sense

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub31BAF3CC293542EBAD4C45D7027BF394/Doc~EC2E9043EF9D541ACADAA693FFD5AE830~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html

SACK Zwanziger , Bierhoff and Co

and appoint

Beckenbauer as DFB president

Sammer as sports director

Kahn as commercial director (as a Bierhoff replacement)

and maybe

Hrubesch or Loddar as Nationaltrainer

cheers
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Post by Allez les rouges on Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:38 pm

Sportbild is tabloid shite, just like you, Otto. Just look at their "11 Baustellen" online feature. Or indeed all the adverts that keep popping up on my screen after clicking that link.

Marko has a point but it's easy to criticize in hindsight (not to say highly hypocritical when you wanted as few experiments as possible) when one is trying to beat Argentina and find a blend of form and experience. Marin, Kroos, Mller and Cacau were all in form, what was Jogi supposed to do, play them all?

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Post by Brian2468 on Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:44 pm

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:Horeni is a Klinsi and Lw intimus

and therefore EVIL

but the following idea makes sense

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub31BAF3CC293542EBAD4C45D7027BF394/Doc~EC2E9043EF9D541ACADAA693FFD5AE830~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html

SACK Zwanziger , Bierhoff and Co

and appoint

Beckenbauer as DFB president

Sammer as sports director

Kahn as commercial director (as a Bierhoff replacement)

and maybe

Hrubesch or Loddar as Nationaltrainer

cheers


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Post by Stiftung Haeschentest on Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:47 am

Allez les rouges wrote:Sportbild is tabloid shite, just like you, Otto. Just look at their "11 Baustellen" online feature. Or indeed all the adverts that keep popping up on my screen after clicking that link.

Marko has a point but it's easy to criticize in hindsight (not to say highly hypocritical when you wanted as few experiments as possible) when one is trying to beat Argentina and find a blend of form and experience. Marin, Kroos, Mller and Cacau were all in form, what was Jogi supposed to do, play them all?


You really have to wonder why Marin gets constantly overlooked though. He's always in the squad but hasn't played many games yet. And now, it looks like Mller and Kroos have sneaked ahead of him too in the pecking order, although he's certainly not less deserving of a starting spot than them.
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Post by 72-76-80-96-08 on Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:53 am

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/995/505200/text/

a few refs talked to Zwanziger under the promiseof anonymity

then Zwanziger released those names in order to avoid a court case against Ammarel

IF true

Zwanziger HAS to resign with IMMEDIATE effect

I suppose the only one who has the clout to push Zwanziger out is Beckenbauer though

and he is famously non-confrontational when it comes to these things

let's hope for a MEDIA CAMPAIGN to oust the "DEMAGOGE"

FR and SZ are already at it Ale

soon , Lw, Bierhoff and Zwanziger could be out

and German football can reclaim the place in the World Order that it so deserves Ale
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Re: SACK Lw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by  on Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:11 am

Frings spricht Tacheles

http://www.kreiszeitung.de/sport/fussball/werder-bremen/frings-seitenhieb-richtung-663079.html

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FR and FAZ are now also wondering whether Zwanziger should resign

and Lattek thinks it's inevitable as well

I still do not see anybody who would finish the DEMAGOGE off

but by the end of the summer, we REALLY could be rid of the three + Siegenthaler

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Post by Allez les rouges on Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:24 am

Kreiszeitung also crashes my internet like most you seem to post these days Otto Sad would need it copy-pasted...
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