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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:53 am

If the DFB really want it, means if they don't 'take back' their bid out of 'deference' to other federations like a few times in the past, they will get it.

The last time Germany hosted a Euro was in 1988, so it'll be 36 years in 2024. And we all know how that one ended, another good reason, just to cleanse past sins...
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:08 pm

our 2014 kits could be ALL-WHITE

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/fussball_dfbteam/newspage_798272.html

Grr

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Effenberg on Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:51 pm

Ä wrote:our 2014 kits could be ALL-WHITE

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/fussball_dfbteam/newspage_798272.html

Grr

Unacceptable. Evil or Very Mad 
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:14 pm

Why can't those idiots just stop messing around with the most beautiful football kit of all international teams? Black and white, classy and timeless. Fucking marketing c**ts really are the end of everything beautiful this sport is about.
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Antarion on Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:44 pm

Ä wrote:our 2014 kits could be ALL-WHITE

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/fussball_dfbteam/newspage_798272.html

Grr

who do I have to kill?Rose 
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by debaser on Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:08 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Why can't those idiots just stop messing around with the most beautiful football kit of all international teams?
lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! 
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:55 pm

It IS the most beautiful, classic, timeless kit. It even looks good on black & white TV. Ale
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:23 pm

agree entirely with MAGATH

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/wm/newspage_818402.html

Ale

nothing but the title is acceptable with THOSE players

( even if we have ZERO chance of winning anything with Löw)

out in the SEMIS, me thinks

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:30 pm

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/wm-2014/article128814554/Die-metrosexuelle-Note-der-deutschen-Nationalelf.html#disqus_thread

lots of nonsense

still

there's a clear link between die Mannschaft and German society in general

an EARLY defeat of those clowns

could mean the END of the silly girlish Löw era Ale

bring in MAGATH , says I

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Wiese Smile

Kiessling

and

Lasogga

and make either Müller

or

Grosskreutz

KAPITÄN

of Das Vaterland Ale

I have NEVER cared less about a Weltmeisterschaft than this time

an early exit would be great

as long as my man KLOSE

aka DAS MONSTER

overtakes Fat Ronaldo in the all-time scorer charts

Germany have ZERO chance of winning FUCK all

the title will go to either Brazil, Gaucholand, Chile, Uruguay or Italia

NOBODY else has the slightest chance

as always

you heard it here first

and as always

Bernd

will

not

have

seen

it

coming

Ale

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:39 am

Relegated Magath? Wiese on steroids? Seriously otto, being anti-Löw is understandable, but those really aren't alternatives.

Tuchel is a realistic and very good choice if Löw (hopefully) resigns after the WC. Tuchel just parted ways with Mainz and is one of the most talented young German coaches, already one of the very best we have.
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Fey on Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:20 pm

Grünewald wrote:Grünewald: Fußball war für uns Deutsche schon immer Identitätssurrogat. Und die Deutschen haben im Gegensatz zu Franzosen, Engländern oder Amerikanern keine feste Identität. Sie sind ewig Suchende. Identitätssurrogate sind daher für das Seelenheil unserer Nation immens wichtig. Die Marken Mercedes und BMW beispielsweise sind Identitätssurrogate. Auf deutsche Ingenieurskunst sind wir stolz, sie ist Teil der deutschen Identität. Die D-Mark war es auch. Deshalb haben wir uns auch so schwer getan, uns von unserer geliebten D-Mark endgültig zu verabschieden. Der wichtigste Identitätsrepräsentant ist jedoch die Fußball-Nationalmannschaft. Jedes Länderspiel ist auch ein Lehrstück darüber: Wie geht Deutschsein.



Interesting stuff Otto! Or is he wrong, and is it Grünewald who suffers from the "away with us" mentality.
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:00 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Relegated Magath? Wiese on steroids? Seriously otto, being anti-Löw is understandable, but those really aren't alternatives.

.

the smiley after Wiese might have been a give-away

 Very Happy 

as for Magath: it's hardly his fault Fulham got relegated

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Tuchel is super-talented, but really not more than that

or rather

not enough international experience to coach die Mannschaft

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fey

Grünewald is generally speaking a good egg

his claim that most Germans expect the title is complete bullshit though

I have yet to find a single German who thinks we have a shot of winning this UNDER LÖW

if Die Mannschaft is the most important Identitätssurrogat in Das Vaterland, as Grünewald claims, I wonder how our Selbstverständnis would change

IF

those sissy-boys got eliminated in the second round

IF

Löw got the sack

and IF

Magath or Klopp took over

selecting REAL German MEN

who ended up winning the European Cup in two years

could that also be the end of Angela Merkel

who frankly

is getting away with MURDER ?

Germany needs less Tim Bentzko and more RAMMSTEIN

me thinks

Ale
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:15 am

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/wm/newspage_904814.html

Yikes

sack LÖW and Niersbach NOW

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:25 am

Tuchel is still young, has not coached a big club yet and hence his winning credentials aren't there either. But the most important thing speaking for him, even more so than more successful potential candidates like Klopp (who I obviously rate very highly, too), is his flexibility. Working at a small club like Mainz with limited resources, he always improvised and not only adapted his tactics to the opponent, but more importantly in the national team context, created a tailor made system that got the best out of his players. Not like Löw, who tends to force the players to play the way he wants.

There are few coaches in Europe with so much tactical nous. It would be interesting to see what he could do with much better players than he had in Mainz. Should Klopp leave Dortmund, he'd be the ideal, albeit different, replacement. He does not have Klopp's charisma, but he is just as ambitious, extremely focused and very smart.
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:36 am

Tuchel is a top guy

but what we now need is somebody who knows how to win at the highest level

no apprentice

an EXPERT

we need somebody for whom tactics are less important than WINNING

and winning has a LOT to do with a WINNING MENTALITY

and an understanding of the BASICS of the GAME

in this sense, even a clown like Vogts would be better than Löw

the top candidates for the Mannschaft job should be

Heynckes, Hitzfeld, Magath, Daum, Kloppo, and even Sammer, Loddar and Hrubesch

cannot think of anybody else I would consider a proper candidate NOW

ah well, maybe Stefan Raab, as long as he had somebody like Calmund helping him in the shadows

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Post by Ä on Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:21 am

interesting stuff

http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/dienstleister/tauchsieder-der-mckinsey-fussball-muss-scheitern/10040200.html

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:02 pm

The author is trying a bit too hard. He basically makes the same mistake as those he's criticising, making sweeping assumptions about how football is and should be. But his general point about the Löw / Klinsmann generation is sound: you can't plan every detail in football, there must be room for improvisation. It's no coincidence that Löw always fails when he has to make a spontaneous decision during a match - he usually gets the initial game plan right. But if he doesn't or if things don't go according to plan, he is helpless.

But football and especially Germany needs both, strategy and improvisation. We lacked the former too long and paid a heavy price for it.
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Allez les rouges on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:22 am

"Eine Chance haben wir trotzdem nicht"

What a load of painful, unreadable drivel. The problem with Germany is more these "Alles schlechtreden, Hauptsache meckern" arseholes.

The pretentious bullshit about Sergio Ramos is obviously even more laughable in the light of the last week. Clearly the streamlined analysis of the Löw age has its limitations and regrettable sides, but thankfully the World Cup won't be decided by the know-it-all fantasies of a few internet wankers.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:23 am

I think the article was clearly ideological, desperately trying to make analogies between political 'battlegrounds' and football. It was published in WiWo after all.
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:26 pm

ok chaps

a few thoughts before I leave you to continue your celebration of total German domination

first of all: well done Die Mannschaft for clinching a well deserved fourth title Ale

one of the least contentious winners in the history of the Cup: no other team deserved this more

we played many big boys, and humiliated some of them

the 7:1 is a game for the ages and will redefine how German football is perceived in Germany and abroad alike

THREE teams frighten me slightly in any Cup: Italy, Spain and Brazil

we can now safely cross the last one off that list

still

being the archtypical German that I am, I have to "den Miesepeter raushängen" Smile

there's something OFF about this German title

it was well deserved , but it feels all wrong

I know, most football hipsters are over the moon, TV ratings were at a record high..., yet somehow, we won the Cup three days ago

and already

most people I know ( even those who tried to watch EVERY SINGLE WC game)

no longer really care

Yikes

there are virtually no flags to be seen ANYWHERE in Das Vaterland

the topic of football is dead in the office

and most people have already moved on

to this day the 1966 victory is celebrated more in England than our fourth German star won only three days ago (the exception being true hipsters like blut)

in a sense this summons up the problem most Germans I know always had with this team

it's a collection of bland people you can hardly identify with; which is not to say they are bad footballers at all

Kroos, Özil, Götze, Lahm, Neuer, Höwedes, Merte, Boateng... + Löw, Bierhoff.. are so utterly boring as characters

nobody cares

incidentally, we now have the same in politics: Merkel may be doing a good job or not: Germany no longer cares and has switched off entirely

in other words, we are surrounded by the uttlery banal

just like Merkel has depoliticised politics

Löw has defootballtised football

if that makes any sense

blut will now shout, "how was the 7:1 BANAL, are you nuts ?"

but in a sense that is the point, it was processional, not a BATTLE

to have a hero worth his name, he needs to face a bloody good villain

and Brazil were more spectators than participants in this sorry spectacle

you cannot, obviously, blame Germany for Brazil's failure

but you can blame Löw for having converted this team into a collection of Merkels, von der Leyens, de Maiziere, Gröhes...

blut won't have the foggiest what I am talking about, and maybe nobody else

but the Germans on here will know what I was talking about in a few years

the 7:1 is a score for the ages, sure

but in a sense THAT game was and will be more important than the title itself

which tells you everything

as for Löw and some of us "having" to humble  pie

Doh

the guy cost us the titles in 2006. 2008, 2010 and 2012

in may ways Vogts, as well as coaching novices like Beckenbauer and even Völler were more successful

and Löw was VERY close to fucking 2014 up as well

so frankly, celebrating him because he corrected some of his blatent mistakes defies belief

the litmus test will always be what a Klopp, Hitzfeld, Heynckes, Magath, Sammer, Hrubesch ... would have done with THOSE players

again, the 7:1 was a FREAKresult, and frankly had precious little to do with Löw

or as Kroos said after the game, "everything Brazil could have done wrong, they did"

the call for true leaders was a very German call indeed

we Teutons are VERSICHERUNGSWELTMEISTER

we truly think of EVERY eventuality, including the truly bad ones

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unlike the English, we don't believe in BAD LUCK

we MAKE OUR OWN LUCK

the call for more Ballacks, Effenbergs, Loddars anticipated situations in which we needed to turn a game around BY SHEER WILLPOWER

the litmustest of true greatness

fortunately for this group of players, we never really came into a position to have to FIGHT for SURVIVAL

which begs the question, how this Mannschaft would have reacted if Higuain had converted that wonderful Kroos header, with 11 Gauchos parking the bus afterwards

would Özil, Kroos and Co really have been able to use the Brechstange ???

anybody who has watched our lot will of course claim reason for optimism

not least referring to one of my , already, all-time-heroes, Thomas Müller, Klose,Hummels and yes, even Schweini

which brings us neatly to the question to what extent Löw can claim credit for those players

in fact, Löw inherited a bunch of players that have already smelled success at Bayern and Dortmund, or indeed at youth level under Hrubesch

these players were so far removed from a traditional dogmatic asthetic Löw dogma, it's unreal

when Kroos was asked after the 7:1 what he made of it, he said that it would be UTTERLY IRRELEVANT, if Germany went on to lose the final

and the ever so peaceful Merte caused a media storm by basically telling a ZDF clown to fuck off with  his silly criticism of Germany having struggled against Algeria, saying " do you want us to go to the next round, or play pretty football and get eliminated?"

these players were neither Löw players , nor did they play Löw football

Siegenthler, the chief thinker behind Löw's masterplans, said that the heat in Brazil would force the Mannschaft to conserve energies, ie

no more typical Löw hyperactive attacking football

interestingly, Löw used the arch-typical German tool of set-pieces for the first time as well

good old Magath/Völler/Hrubesch/Heynckes stuff, or as some on here would call it: progresse football

and the idiotic idea of playing Götze and Özil as a ZANGE was soon shelved as well, just like Lahm  trying his best as a midfielder

in other words

Löw got away with murder but survived to tell the tale

he did a Houdini

will be interesting to see, whether he revives his old silly ideas for France 2016 though

different ball-game altogether

anyway

we now have such a mouthwatering array of talent available, that Beckenbauer could be right after all, eventually

Germany could dominate football for years to come

just thinking that a Reus , Gündogan, the Benders,,, were not even in Brazil

with the conveyor belt churning out talents at ever higher rates

fuck

I would not want to be Spain, Italy, France or England now

even better

look at the number of caps these youngs players like Müller already have

they will have insane experience when they reach their peak

terrifying stuff, really

at a purely football level, the title will give German football/the Bundesliga a massive boost

a rather tame prediction, in 5 years only, the Bundesliga will be INDISPUTABLY the best league in the world

"indisputably" meaning, even the Michael Owens, Beckhams and Alan Hansens of the world will say so publicly

and THAT on a shoestring budget

is not a bad achievement

Ale
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:06 am

Oh dear Otto, that was weak even by your standards.

"Typen? Fehlen Typen? Weltmeister!" Jerome Boateng to his brother Kevin

And I don't know where you are living, but there are plenty Germany flags to be seen in the streets and football still being the hot topic at work. Maybe you need to change your job?

A million people celebrated the team in Berlin two days ago. The team gave us some unforgettable moments, things we'll tell our grandchildren about. They're immortals now, as their achievement are as big as any in the history of German football. People love this team, because they combine the old German virtues with brilliant technical football, the best footballing side since the 70s. There is a reason why the highly successful teams of the 80s and 90s never got the love and admiration of the 1970s team. You can moan all you want in archetypical German fashion, but nothing you say changes anything about these facts. A pity that you're not man enough to admit that you were wrong about many things, but that doesn't even matter.

Typen? Weltmeister!
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Post by Ä on Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:18 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:"Typen? Fehlen Typen? Weltmeister!"

interesting,

but 100% wrong

even in Germany, where winning is paramount

take Felix Kroos, a brilliant footballer now on his way to Real

does anybody in Munich care about Kroos leaving: nope

nobody

people could not care less

does anybody in Munich really care about Lahm, a player with an amazing CV ?

nope

fans are running around with Ribery, Robben, Müller and even Schweini shirts

titles as well as sporting excellence are important

but people/fans want to relate, to dream, to be inspired, to feel something

which is why Prince Boateng will always generate more interest than the boring Jerome, no matter how many titles he has

my man Dirkules is a genius who led Dalles to a title all by himself

yet frankly, nobody in America/outside Germany cares about him

he's too nice ; his style is effective but hardly exciting

hipsters and Maverick fans will always remember Dirk (as well as Bernd)

but that is it

this Mannschaft has Müller and Poldi, to a lesser extent Schweini

which makes it possible for most Germans to identify with the team a little bit

but that's about it


blutgraetsche wrote:And I don't know where you are living, but there are plenty Germany flags to be seen in the streets and football still being the hot topic at work. Maybe you need to change your job?

A million people celebrated the team in Berlin two days ago.

I honestly don't know in which world you live, blut

but it's not the real world

I live in Munich, and there are virtually no flags on the cars/buildings NOW (ask our friend kroos who also claims to live here)

incidentally, it's not different in other parts of Germany

I watched the game against Brazil in Bremen: a few flags here and there, but nothing substantial AT ALL, even after the game

I then moved south to watch the Final near Fulda, and let me tell you there were as few flags there as down here in Munich

as for the million people celebrating in Berlin

indeed, event fans out for a party

same here in Munich, on Leopoldstrasse or Theresienwiese, Fireworks and all

thing is

two days later, everybody had moved on

which surprised my foreign friends here in Munich as well

der Effekt ist schon verpufft

unbelievable , but true



blutgraetsche wrote: People love this team

again, simply not true

they liked winning a title, and love MÜLLER and genuinely like SCHWEINI

and in Cologne

they LUUUUURVE Poldi

and think Neuer is brilliant

that's about it

astonishing to YOU, but true

the 2002 Finals LOSS against Brazil, was MORE emotional than THIS trophy

as for ranking Cups in order of importance/on an emotional level

1. 1954 (obviously)

2. 2006 ( which really changed the country)

3. 1974 (the end of post-war Germany, the beginning of a new era)

4. 1990 (hugely important to EAST-Germans, as the first united team)

and then , maybe, 2014

but mostly, for how it will enhance the standing of German football / the Bundesliga, and mark the beginning of a German era of dominance

the best is yet to come Ale

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:46 pm

Kroos isn't loved in Bavaria because he is Northern German, has a rather 'cool' character and is not the most flashy of players, hence many less knowledgable fans don't fully appreciate his talent. But he is far from being the first exceptionally gifted player not being fully appreciated at home, Schuster comes to mind. Even Schweinsteiger was more respected outside of Germany, at least before that WC final that is. Ask the poster Kroos what he thinks about the player Kroos moving to Madrid...

Kevin Prince Boateng is a fool and a joke of a footballer who managed to get kicked out of his "second" national team Ghana even, after he was kicked out of his first already. He isn't fit to lace the boots of his brother and all the other German internationals. His brother is genuine world class, starter for one of the best clubs in the world and Germany, the current world champions. KPB has pissed his talent away, has managed to be outshone by young players like Meyer and Goretzka at his club, despite being the expensive "star man". He constantly talks to BILD to remain 'relevant', spouting provocative shit because nobody cares otherwise. It's not even a contest otto.

Here in NRW there are still tons of flags to be seen everywhere. There is no "effect", people are genuinely happy to be world champions, it has given them something to be happy about and proud of. You don't need to be drunk and party for weeks to show how much you enjoyed it, that's a pretty ridiculous way to look at it. Plus, is deeply dishonest, as it was always you who went on about the importance of titles and that nothing could replace them. Now that Löw, Lahm and co. have won it, it's insignificant. Yeah, right...

This current team is not just loved by Germans, but people around the world. The Brazilians truly admired the team, for example, despite (or because of?) that trashing in the semis. Kids grow up wanting to be like Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Neuer, Müller, Özil, Götze, you name them. Germany are the new style kings, they won the WC in style, and people absolutely love to see that, because it does not happen often. The 1990s team was good, but it didn't have the flair and class of the 1970s team, hence always lived in their shadow. This team however is aesthetically pleasing and successful, and it's achievement is bigger than that of the 1970s team, doing something that has never been done before. Only the 1954 team will be held in higher regard for the historic importance of the achievement. You can bet your house that people will be talking about the 7-1 on Brazilian soil in a hundred years to come. And nothing you say changes anything about this otto I'm afraid. They're immortals, live with it! Ale Biggrin

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Brian 2468 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:22 am

We all know about big losers But big winning loser has be Otto's crowning glory. If you feel you need to be hated by the rest of the world while you smash every national team you play your days of truly ruling the football world would seriously shorten.

Lows side it the best german side ever and they can march on without playing stick it in your face we are Otto Germans and are rightfully and truly the masters. Rolling Eyes

Instead with a team liked by most they can carry on impressing and improving for a lot longer. <Ale> 

 
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Isco Benny on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:23 pm

Ä wrote:
Germany have ZERO chance of winning FUCK all

the title will go to either Brazil, Gaucholand, Chile, Uruguay or Italia

NOBODY else has the slightest chance

as always

you heard it here first

and as always

Bernd

will

not

have

seen

it

coming

Ale



My advice would be: Never give up your day job old bean Laughing

This pretty much rules out any chance of a Bundesliga domiliation. The clever man bets against the.Bavarian Oracle....you can thank me now

You

See

This

Coming  afro 

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:25 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Kroos isn't loved in Bavaria because he is Northern German, has a rather 'cool' character and is not the most flashy of players, hence many less knowledgable fans don't fully appreciate his talent. But he is far from being the first exceptionally gifted player not being fully appreciated at home, Schuster comes to mind..

Kroos not being appreciated in Munich has NOTHING to do with him being North German. people like Kahn, Basler, Effe... prove the point, I have no problem down here either

he is just as bland as it gets, just like Badstuber, Jerome, Lahm...

Schuster is a case apart, he left Germany VERY early on, cut all links, and her a HORRIBLE wife




blutgraetsche wrote:Here in NRW there are still tons of flags to be seen everywhere. There is no "effect", people are genuinely happy to be world champions, it has given them something to be happy about and proud of. You don't need to be drunk and party for weeks to show how much you enjoyed it, that's a pretty ridiculous way to look at it. Plus, is deeply dishonest, as it was always you who went on about the importance of titles and that nothing could replace them. Now that Löw, Lahm and co. have won it, it's insignificant. Yeah, right...

NRW is poor, maybe people NEED the World Cup more than we down here in Bavaria

then again, Bremen is poor, so are Franconia and Thuringia, and nobody seems to be interested in our title their either

it's not about partying for a week, by the way; but the topic is done and dusted, people have moved on at an astonishingly fast speed

you are right about the irony of my wanting to win FIRST and then not being happy when we do

a new experience for me as well  Very Happy 

but as I said

watching Lahm wearing the armband already almost sent me over the cliff

just like those Nivea ads


blutgraetsche wrote:This current team is not just loved by Germans, but people around the world. The Brazilians truly admired the team, for example, despite (or because of?) that trashing in the semis. Kids grow up wanting to be like Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Neuer, Müller, Özil, Götze, you name them. Germany are the new style kings, they won the WC in style, and people absolutely love to see that, because it does not happen often.

this team is NOT loved by MOST Germans: simply not true, and repeating it over and over again does not change anything

but yes, the effect that this title, and the way it was won, will have on the FOREIGN public cannot be overestimated

it will redefine the way German football is seen abroad in the same way 2006 redefined how the COUNTRY was seen

it's all down to the 7:1 though, and to a lesser extent the beauty of Götze's title winner

take that away, and we had an ordinardy Cup

still

the 7:1 is for eternity

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brilliant news about Lahm retiring

 cheers 

made my day

too late, but still

Schweini should become captain today, a totally popular decision amongst Teutons, me thinks

the captain thereafter should be Müller or Hummels, of course

or Weidenfeller Ale

Grosskreutz could play on the right and Durm on the left

problem sorted

now PLEASE

let Löw resign as well

with Heynckes returning from retirement

in fact, THIS would be MY Germany

Klopp, Sammer or Heynckes as coach

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Weidenfeller

Grosskreutz - Hummels - Merte - Durm

Schweini - Güdogan (or Bender)

Reus - Müller - Schürrle

Kiessling

Klose is a sensation, but he should make room for the next generation[/quote]
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:55 pm

NRW is poor? Laugh You know cities like Düsseldorf and Köln, right? Poor? Wow.

Kroos is not bland, he is just very reserved, typical Northern German and hence the total opposite of Bavarians. None of the players you mentioned had a similar character. Similar to Ballack who never fit into the Munich Schikeria either, the Bayern fans dislike Kroos for even considering leaving their club, as it should be a privilege to play for them, that typical Bayern fan hubris.

It's pretty sad that a World Cup winning captain retiring makes your day, but what can you do. Ideology abover everything, right otto? At least you stay true to yourself, no matter how grotesque that is.
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:27 am

blutgraetsche wrote:NRW is poor? Laugh You know cities like Düsseldorf and Köln, right? Poor? Wow.

oh come on, there is incredible wealth in NRW, agree; notably in Düsseldorf, Bonn, Köln, but also pockets in the Ruhr valley, Lehmann hails from a super-rich part of Essen, I believe; then again, NRW with its Ruhrvalley is piss-poor by German standards and structurally weaker than most parts in East Germany

blutgraetsche wrote:Kroos is not bland, he is just very reserved, typical Northern German and hence the total opposite of Bavarians. None of the players you mentioned had a similar character. Similar to Ballack who never fit into the Munich Schikeria either, the Bayern fans dislike Kroos for even considering leaving their club, as it should be a privilege to play for them, that typical Bayern fan hubris.

no idea what you are talking about with regards to Kroos/the Schikeria or indeed Bavarians

ordinary Bavarians do not care about the Schikeria at all; it gets into the media, of course, but what does that have to do with the "fans" ? ; over 100.000 applications went in for Bayern season tickets, remind me again how many members the Schikeria has ?

as for Bavarians vs North Germans: true enough that there are differences, but Kroos is probably more merely shy/bland than a North German

it's more a question of character than regional origin: Badstuber, Götze, Lahm are hardly your Franz-Josef STrauss Bavarians, now are they ?! Kevin Prince comes from the loud Berlin, so does Jerome...



blutgraetsche wrote:It's pretty sad that a World Cup winning captain retiring makes your day, but what can you do. Ideology abover everything, right otto? At least you stay true to yourself, no matter how grotesque that is.

Lahm was a good full back, an average midfielder and not captain material; he was a WC winning captain because the CEO of Nivea made him one, end of story

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but as I said, a lot of good comes out of this WC

German players will become more popular at foreign clubs, the exodus will increase , at ever higher prices, but NOT much either, since the Bundesliga is already one of the most attrative leagues

clubs will realise even more than they should turn to local talents

and the foreigners joining the league will invariably become better and better

Zlatan already told Klopp that he would love to play for him at Dortmund

Dortmund's and Bayern's successes in the CL mean that Germans know they can expect TITLES or at least FINALS, ie WINNING is back on the agenda and Löw's style of substance policy is buried for good, he would simply no longer get away with it

the Conveyor belt is churning out talents for fun

and even my beloved HSV is going to turn the corner

the last remaining worry is Werder under Dutt

but that's another story  Very Happy 

Brian 2468 wrote:We all know about big losers But big winning loser has be Otto's crowning glory. If you feel you need to be hated by the rest of the world while you smash every national team you play your days of truly ruling the football world would seriously shorten.

Lows side it the best german side ever and they can march on without playing stick it in your face we are Otto Germans and are rightfully and truly the masters. Rolling Eyes

Instead with a team liked by most they can carry on impressing and improving for a lot longer. <Ale>


I don't want shit on a stick football, and never did

I want mental fortitude though, and through a number of development non-related to Löw , we are getting there

still, would have been a VERY intersting game , if Higuain had scored early on with Argentina parking the bus; whether we would have been strong enough to turn it around, I don't know

Isco Benny wrote:
Ä wrote:
Germany have ZERO chance of winning FUCK all

the title will go to either Brazil, Gaucholand, Chile, Uruguay or Italia

NOBODY else has the slightest chance

as always

you heard it here first

and as always

Bernd

will

not

have

seen

it

coming

Ale



My advice would be: Never give up your day job old bean Laughing

This pretty much rules out any chance of a Bundesliga domiliation. The clever man bets against the.Bavarian Oracle....you can thank me now

You

See

This

Coming afro


bernd

there are some things that I am happy to have been wrong about

 Very Happy 

what I had NOT seen coming was

a) Spain not making the second round

b) Italy not making the second round

c) Brazil not turning up for the Semi

if ALL three had NOT happened

I think

this World Cup would have been

slightly different

not that I complain, mind you

 Very Happy 

Germany are now ONE star away from

being the indisputably

GREATEST football nation

in the history of the

GAME

 Yikes cheers 

and I bet

YOU

had not seen

THAT

coming

 lol! 

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Brian 2468 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:23 pm

Otto

Your teams mental fortitude has moved on but you cannot see it. If you look back on history the very best players now I am taking about the elite Pele, Maradona, their own persona was one flowing act (your whole football system creates this in your players today). Fortitude does not come into it.

The German teams in the past had not reacted this point they had a belief which pushed them past the finish line and at the same time give everyone a blow job because you were really not that good.

Today Germany can push on and do what Brazil accomplished in their top years and truly master the sport but if you think reverting back to older beliefs will make this happen your using wasted mental energy over versatile creativity and you stagnate again.

And you heard it hear first. cheers
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:22 pm

He will never get it. But fortunately,  times have changed for good,  the wheel of time can not be turned around. German football reinvented itself and went back to the total football roots of the late 60s and 70s, adjusted to the demands of modern football. Every player in the youth academies is educated with this philosophy in mind.

Face it otto,  Löw is a winner now,  Lahm is a winner,  all the players and managers you hate so much are winners.  Football is a winner.  Stop being such a bad loser and enjoy winning.  Really winning that is,  winning with style, without that bad feeling of being lucky, of being outplayed and still somehow nick it. You know,  Rumpelfussbal style.

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