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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:36 am

Brian 2468 wrote:Otto

Your teams mental fortitude has moved on but you cannot see it. If you look back on history the very best players now I am taking about the elite Pele, Maradona, their own persona was one flowing act (your whole football system creates this in your players today). Fortitude does not come into it.

The German teams in the past had not reacted this point they had a belief which pushed them past the finish line and at the same time give everyone a blow job because you were really not that good.

Today Germany can push on and do what Brazil accomplished in their top years and truly master the sport but if you think reverting back to older beliefs will make this happen your using wasted mental energy over versatile creativity and you stagnate again.

And you heard it hear first. cheers

brian

we are a lot more in sync than you would like to

BELIEVE

we now have the players at our disposal that can bully teams FOOTBALLWISE rather than merely MENTALLY

and THAT is a GOOD thing

(which, incidentally, has NOTHING to do with LÖW)

so by all means

let them OUTPLAY their opponents with STYLE

why would I be against that ?

don't you believe the blut-nonsense that the Löw-opponents are old-fashioned dogmatists

in fact, trawl through the various WC threads and see that blut and the other Germans on there

were driven out of their minds over Löw's endless mistakes

the 7:1 + the title temporarily flushed their minds

blut is still on the sugar high that the title win caused

he's a bit hysterical, like a high-strung neurotic woman who loses her mind because she cannot find her lipstick before the crucial job interview

only for a helpful man next to her suggesting she should look in her hand-bag

where invariably the lipstick is promtly found

upon  discovery of the lifesaving war-paint

she immediately goes down on her knees

declares the man to be a genius

starts to cry tears of joy

and pledges

to become his sex-slave

until Werder Bremen become Bundesliga champions again

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brian

the wahre Geschichte is this

Germany now has stylish game-winners galore

and that is BRILLIANT

but there will be MANY games in the future where we STILL need mental fortitude

WINNERS

that put in a Schweini vs Argentina performance

and let's face it

Schweini has not always played like that

and Müller, Reus Hummels and Neuer

cannot always win games on their own (Klose is about to retire anyway)

the FINAL is a case in point

all those SUPER-EAGLES did NOT outplay Argentina over 120 AT ALL

we did not even have MORE chances to win

Beckenbauer commented after the final

"it would have been a VERY different game had Argentina had one day more rest (like Germany) and not played extra-time against the Dutch in the QF"

and Messi was on the money when he said it would have been a TOTALLY different game had they scored FIRST

and BOOM

Germany have LOST YET another chance of adding a star

the glorious Brazilians, Dutch..., the golden-generations of the style kings (Figo and Co), more often than not

did NOT win any titles

remind me how many titles Maradona won or Cruijff

Sammer, when in charge of the DFB youth set up, said that every team needed three kinds of players

creative individuals (Özil, Messi...), leaders ( Schweini now, Ballack, Pirlo...) and team-players/water-carriers

and that is as true as it always was

wahre G

blutgraetsche wrote:

Face it otto,  Löw is a winner now,  Lahm is a winner,  all the players and managers you hate so much are winners.  Football is a winner.  Stop being such a bad loser and enjoy winning.  Really winning that is,  winning with style, without that bad feeling of being lucky, of being outplayed and still somehow nick it. You know,  Rumpelfussbal style.

everybody who has a star is a WINNER

agreed

(just like everybody who has a German passport is a

GERMAN)

some are winners because they genuinely added something to the equation

others

because they were riding Müller and Co's coattails

Lahm, for instance, hardly had a good World Cup, me thinks

his midfield performances made him one of our weakest players

feel free to grade him game by game, blut

surely not even you would claim otherwise

and Löw's contribution to winning that star is not clear to me

EITHER

"overcoming his own stubbornness" does not constitute a WORLD CLASS performance, me thinks

get your sugar levels down, eat some healthy broccoli with steamed fish

and compose yourself, for God's sake

to get back to earth , maybe you should reflect about Werder's future

denk mal drüber nach Ale

 Very Happy

PS

will be interesting to see whether Lahm's overdue retirement will encourage other veterans to do the same

Schweini, surely not

cannot see Poldi hanging up his boots either, he is having too much fun

but Klose and Merte, maybe
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:46 am

Lahm didn't have a good world cup? He was voted in the official XI by FIFA for the third time in a row (2006, 2010 and 2014), unprecedented in history! He was one of the four German players nominated for the golden ball!

Maybe you should open your eyes to reality once in a while and take off those highly ideological googles. It's really embarrassing.
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:14 am

blutgraetsche wrote:Lahm didn't have a good world cup? He was voted in the official XI by FIFA for the third time in a row (2006, 2010 and 2014), unprecedented in history! He was one of the four German players nominated for the golden ball!

Maybe you should open your eyes to reality once in a while and take off those highly ideological googles. It's really embarrassing.

I repeat

rate Lahm GAME by GAME


when your sugar levels are low

ratings by journalists are notoriously iffy

but Kicker actually tries harder than others not to get carried away

here are their grades

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/wm/wmteams/weltmeisterschaft/2014/deutschland/26870/spieler_philipp-lahm.html

trawl down slightly

Lahm gets top marks (like virtually everybody) against Brazil

+

Argentina

the rest: meh

and that's precisely how Sportbild and all the others saw it, and they are firmly in the Lahm camp

it helps to get those rosetinted "they are all World Champs, therefore, brilliant"-glasses off

+

if you really care for FIFA teams, God help Germany

Messi is Player of the Tournament

enough said

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:36 am

Lahm had a very good game in central midfield against Portugal, a mediocre one there against Ghana (mostly let down by his partner Khedira in that match), a good game against USA in central midfiield (Germany totally controlled the match and didn't allow USA a single chance, thanks to Lahm in particular), a bad first half against Algeria playing in central midfield (like the rest of the team) and a very good one on the RB position afterwards. As RB, he had a very good match against France and two truly outstanding matches against Brazil and Argentina when it counted most. He was without a doubt one of our best and most consistent players. This has nothing to do with "sugar levels", this is a clear fact.

Lahm is "the most intelligent player he has ever worked with" according to Guardiola, the reason why he can play so many positions almost seamlessly. Without Lahm, and that's absolutely not negotiable, Germany would not have won the WC. Thanks to him, Löw had the time to let Schweinsteiger and Khedira gain the necessary fitness for the latter stages - we could not play both in the beginning of the tournament because both were totally lacking match fitness! Lahm solved that problem.

Replacing him, the best fullback in the game for a decade, is going to be a huge task for Löw, especially since we do lack quality alternatives on that position in Germany. If you seriously believe that Germany are better off without him, you're deluded. It'll take years to compensate that loss.

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Brian 2468 on Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:26 pm

Otto
Any kind of bullying at any level is going you blow your dreams of being the master footballers of the planet so far out of bounds your will lose the plot. You will need to learn this from the Canadian mentality and apply it to your sports to really excel.

Never said I was a fan of Low he had some luck that goes with winning and made some history without trying to be a Brian Clough in your face kind of guy.

Now these other reasons for not winning cups earlier is another perfect example of you just not getting the picture.

If you blasted out of the turn stalls in 2006 won the WC there is a very good chance you would of done  catastrophic Zero Rooney on a national level.........    Humans have much in common with germs we tend to work out the cause and effect in life then rapidly change up our game plan. Other sides would of taken up the challenge become even more competitive.

Your football coaching system needed the time to grow. You do not want bolted vegetables believe me they are stunted in every way...... Cool 

The road now is clearer with less dutch caravans in the way to slow your progress you will have a better chance staying at the top longer because of the course taken.

Warning::::   The antibiotics prescribed to your National team do come with a time limit the window of greatness can be shut if the old guard or Zero Rooney bacteria is allow to fester.
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:34 pm

interesting question

why do the top clubs shell out fortunes for foreigners , when German World Champs cost a pittance ?

Fat Ronaldo called Kroos the "Player of the Tournament"

then why did he go for less than 30 million

when somebody like Falcao was FAR MORE expensive ?

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article131058212/Darum-sind-deutsche-Weltmeister-so-billig-zu-haben.html
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by debaser on Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:29 pm

Ä wrote:interesting question

why do the top clubs shell out fortunes for foreigners , when German World Champs cost a pittance ?

Fat Ronaldo called Kroos the "Player of the Tournament"

then why did he go for less than 30 million

when somebody like Falcao was FAR MORE expensive ?

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article131058212/Darum-sind-deutsche-Weltmeister-so-billig-zu-haben.html

wasn't that due to Kroos only having 1 year left on contract - contract length is a huge determinant in transfer prices. plus goalscorers always have a bigger premium than midfielders.

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by 110% on Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:53 am

debaser wrote:
Ä wrote:interesting question

why do the top clubs shell out fortunes for foreigners , when German World Champs cost a pittance ?

Fat Ronaldo called Kroos the "Player of the Tournament"

then why did he go for less than 30 million

when somebody like Falcao was FAR MORE expensive ?

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article131058212/Darum-sind-deutsche-Weltmeister-so-billig-zu-haben.html

wasn't that due to Kroos only having 1 year left on contract - contract length is a huge determinant in transfer prices. plus goalscorers always have a bigger premium than midfielders.

Germans are also foreigners in England and Spain, true story  <Ale> 
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:52 am

debaser wrote:
Ä wrote:interesting question

why do the top clubs shell out fortunes for foreigners , when German World Champs cost a pittance ?

Fat Ronaldo called Kroos the "Player of the Tournament"

then why did he go for less than 30 million

when somebody like Falcao was FAR MORE expensive ?

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article131058212/Darum-sind-deutsche-Weltmeister-so-billig-zu-haben.html

wasn't that due to Kroos only having 1 year left on contract - contract length is a huge determinant in transfer prices. plus goalscorers always have a bigger premium than midfielders.

yes, 1 year left on the contract

BUT

he is a creative, attacking midfielder with the best years ahead of him

players like that go for a lot more

Metzelder thinks the hype around James is FAR bigger for marketing reasons (in South America)

not sure though

German players simply do not generate the same hype and excitement as others in the foreign media

their introverted personality usually does not help

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Müller now says he could have earned SILLY money abroad

but preferred to get an improved contract in Munich

that lad will NEVER leave his beloved Bavaria

he was practically born in his Lederhose

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meanwhile, Schweini says that he wishes they had NOT beaten Brazil 7:1

but rather 2:0

 lol! 

http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/verletzter-star-ueber-den-wm-titel-schweinsteiger-haette-lieber-2-0-gegen-brasilien-gewonnen_id_4074591.html

„Wir haben uns in Brasilien sehr, sehr willkommen gefühlt. Es war deshalb schon etwas blöd, dass das Ergebnis so eindeutig war. Mir wäre lieber gewesen, wir hätten nur 2:0 gewonnen statt 7:1“

THIS generation lacks the "300" gene, me thinks

they are so polite and just want to be

LIKED

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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Antarion on Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:02 am

Ä wrote:

„Wir haben uns in Brasilien sehr, sehr willkommen gefühlt. Es war deshalb schon etwas blöd, dass das Ergebnis so eindeutig war. Mir wäre lieber gewesen, wir hätten nur 2:0 gewonnen statt 7:1“

THIS generation lacks the "300" gene, me thinks

they are so polite and just want to be

LIKED

 Laugh

I think the 7:1 was worth nearly as much as winning the cup  Biggrin Its not often you get really suprised by football these days. It was an event of enormous propotions.
But Schweini aside, your man POLDI also goes a bit over the top with his "eveybodies darling" in his media presence Otto. His facebook postings are a bit cringeworthy at times, when he translates everything in portuguese too.  study 

Brazil loves you  lol!
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:05 pm

7-1? Great, because it was on Brazilian soil against Brazil. But I'd swap it in a instant with 7 x 1-0 vs. Italy... Very Happy

That's the one huge gaping hole in our record. It needs to be fixed. Whoever manages to do so becomes an instant legend.
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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Ä on Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:26 pm

Ä wrote:

there's something OFF about this German title

it was well deserved , but it feels all wrong

I know, most football hipsters are over the moon, TV ratings were at a record high..., yet somehow, we won the Cup three days ago

and already

most people I know ( even those who tried to watch EVERY SINGLE WC game)

no longer really care

Yikes

there are virtually no flags to be seen ANYWHERE in Das Vaterland

the topic of football is dead in the office

and most people have already moved on

to this day the 1966 victory is celebrated more in England than our fourth German star won only three days ago (the exception being true hipsters like blut)

in a sense this summons up the problem most Germans I know always had with this team

it's a collection of bland people you can hardly identify with; which is not to say they are bad footballers at all

Kroos, Özil, Götze, Lahm, Neuer, Höwedes, Merte, Boateng... + Löw, Bierhoff.. are so utterly boring as characters

nobody cares

incidentally, we now have the same in politics: Merkel may be doing a good job or not: Germany no longer cares and has switched off entirely

in other words, we are surrounded by the uttlery banal

just like Merkel has depoliticised politics

Löw has defootballtised football


how accurate was that description just after the win ??!!

a few days after the title win

the euphoria was already gone

even if blut refused to acknowledge the blatently obvious

now Höwedes

suggests something similar

http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/bundesliga1/sperrfrist-10-00-uhr-weltmeister-kritisiert-fans-fuer-pfiffe-hoewedes-fuer-uns-spieler-ist-es-nicht-immer-leicht_id_4131616.html

"Manchmal fehlt mir in Deutschland eine gewisse Wertschätzung“, sagt der 26-Jährige im Interview mit dem FOCUS.

Gomez etwa habe sich nach einem schweren Jahr mit vielen Verletzungen in die Nationalelf zurückgekämpft. „Außerdem hemmen Pfiffe die gesamte Mannschaft, und der Zauber des WM-Titels geht schnell verloren. Natürlich weckt der Erfolg große Erwartungen, aber vieles wird zu schnell schlecht geredet“, sagt Höwedes. Er wünsche sich manchmal „einen gesunden Patriotismus“.


Ale

blut thinks Lahm, Löw...are now ALL TIME HEROES

the reality is

der WM-Titeleffekt ist 100% verpufft

the football was great, the games were great, goals galore

yet nobody really cares

Müller , Neuer and maybe Hummels/Schweini have enhanced their reputation

but unlike in 1990

we don't suddenly have 24 new national heroes at all



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Re: SACK Löw, Bierhoff, Zwanziger, Niersbach NOW

Post by Allez les rouges on Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:12 pm

You must have some very weird friends or just spend all your time in the company of the moaners of the internet, the idea that this triumph was not celebrated wildly and long (and is still being), is just the latest ludicrous, most pathetic canard Doh

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