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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by S4P on Tue May 17, 2011 11:13 am

Grant didn't exactly do a good job here but some of the criticism he gets from the press is outrageous. If Mourinho or Ferguson had been the first Chelsea manager to reach the Champions League final (and come within a penalty kick of winning it) and taken a doomed Portsmouth side (who were docked 10 points and having to release players and staff every week) to the FA Cup final (and again, were probably a penalty kick away from winning it) nobody in the press would be writing headlines such as Why did West Ham ever appoint him?.

As Luis appears to be implying, West Ham's squad, excluding a couple of players, is Championship standard. A side which has Green and Upson as regular starters is almost a certainty to be a relegation candidate.

West Ham have gone down with a better team than this in the past.
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Luis on Tue May 17, 2011 12:49 pm

My comment was in January to be fair. Lets dig out a post from December in which people were predicting Blackpool to finish in the top 8 and Liverpool to finish 14th Doh

I do think the treatment of Avram has also been harsh, the board made the call to stick with him and they should take the blame, but if you took Ba and Parker out the side I don't see an awful lot of quality ahead of the other teams in the relegation scrap. I think they're certainly a better squad on paper than Blackpool but I'd argue Wigan and Wolves are on par and Birmingham and Blackburn have more quality overall.

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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by christmasborocooper on Tue May 17, 2011 12:54 pm

Fact of the matter is, Zola built a team capable of competing in the Championship, Avram took them there.
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by The Easter Bunny on Tue May 17, 2011 1:45 pm

S4P wrote:Grant didn't exactly do a good job here but some of the criticism he gets from the press is outrageous. If Mourinho or Ferguson had been the first Chelsea manager to reach the Champions League final (and come within a penalty kick of winning it) and taken a doomed Portsmouth side (who were docked 10 points and having to release players and staff every week) to the FA Cup final (and again, were probably a penalty kick away from winning it) nobody in the press would be writing headlines such as Why did West Ham ever appoint him?.

As Luis appears to be implying, West Ham's squad, excluding a couple of players, is Championship standard. A side which has Green and Upson as regular starters is almost a certainty to be a relegation candidate.

West Ham have gone down with a better team than this in the past.

---Green----
Spector--Upson--Tomkins--Bridge

------Parker-----
----Hitz----Noble(Collison)
--O'Neil(keane)----------------Ba
-------------Cole(Piquonne)---------

How is that a championship team in the slightest? Lower mid table yes, but not relegation fodder imo. Grant is a bit like marmite, some people respect him for getting Chelsea to the CL final and Pompey to the FA Cup final. Others just dislike him, it's quite hard to pin the blame on anyone but the players, since it was their poor performances which led to relegation, but is it not the managers job to select the best possible team to win matches, alter tactics to win games and motivate the players? Under Grant those 3 objectives seem to be all unticked(maybe alter tactics could be exempt) However if we look deeper into the issues, a lot of mismanagement by the board has led to a 60 million annual wage bill, coupled with the increasing influence of agents ala Silkman who brought in utter dross like Mido, Mccarthy and Freddy Ljunberg, which cost the club over 10-15 million. It's always hard to assess a managers man management skills until memiors or autobiography's come out, so it will be interesting seeing what Grant is like, he seems very stand offish and the sheer fact that Parker had to motivate the team at half time shows that Grant isn't an inspirational person, despite taking Pompey and Chelsea to finals of cup competitions.
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by S4P on Tue May 17, 2011 2:53 pm

The back 4 plus goalkeeper is certainly championship standard. Even bridge is a shadow of his former self.

It is certainly, in my opinion, a weaker side than the one which went down with Defoe, Joe Cole etc (and the side which almost went down with Tevez - had it not been for Man United having already secured the league they would have gone down that year too).
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Luis on Tue May 17, 2011 4:02 pm

Besides Ba, Parker and beefburger I still don't see Premier League quality in that. The defence is a shambles.
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by christmasborocooper on Tue May 17, 2011 5:41 pm

The Easter Bunny wrote:
S4P wrote:Grant didn't exactly do a good job here but some of the criticism he gets from the press is outrageous. If Mourinho or Ferguson had been the first Chelsea manager to reach the Champions League final (and come within a penalty kick of winning it) and taken a doomed Portsmouth side (who were docked 10 points and having to release players and staff every week) to the FA Cup final (and again, were probably a penalty kick away from winning it) nobody in the press would be writing headlines such as Why did West Ham ever appoint him?.

As Luis appears to be implying, West Ham's squad, excluding a couple of players, is Championship standard. A side which has Green and Upson as regular starters is almost a certainty to be a relegation candidate.

West Ham have gone down with a better team than this in the past.

---Green----
Spector--Upson--Tomkins--Bridge

------Parker-----
----Hitz----Noble(Collison)
--O'Neil(keane)----------------Ba
-------------Cole(Piquonne)---------

How is that a championship team in the slightest?

Cos they got relegated.
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Isco Benny on Tue May 17, 2011 5:49 pm

S4P does make a good point about Grant.

He got further with Chelsea in the CL than Mourinho ever did.

Looking at that team, it's a side indictment that this time last year Upson was about to partner Terry in England's defence and go on and embarrass himself and us with some frighteningly poor performances, not least against ze Jaaaarmans.

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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by S4P on Tue May 17, 2011 5:52 pm

Barry Fry was interviewed on Sky Sports News earlier laying into West Ham fans like Dick and saying that Grant should never have got the job.

I'm sure that if he were honest with himself, he wouldn't mind swapping his managerial CV with Avram's.
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Isco Benny on Tue May 17, 2011 6:02 pm

Barry Fry. What a c**t.

Speaking of Sky Sports News, did anyone else see this?

What a joker Laughing

http://www.twitvid.com/2FYER
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by S4P on Tue May 17, 2011 6:04 pm

Laughing

Wigan's stadium must only hold 15-18,000.
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Fey on Tue May 17, 2011 6:10 pm



lol!

Poor Deano, both Wham and Samp relegated!
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Luis on Tue May 17, 2011 6:20 pm

lol! lol! 10,000!
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by fcb on Tue May 17, 2011 6:39 pm

This is an interesting article from Henry Winter, revealing some of the things Grant did(n't do) as manager.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/8517564/Avram-Grant-stands-accused-as-West-Hams-fate-was-sealed-on-the-training-ground.html


As West Ham headed towards the rocks, further evidence of Grants slack hand on the tiller was supplied by the distinguished London-based correspondent of Suddeutsche Zeitung.

Raphael Honigstein reported that a West Ham midfielder asked Grant an important question before the Chelsea game at Stamford Bridge on April 23: Are we supposed to press on Essien and Lampard or sit? Grant allegedly replied: You have to work that out yourselves on the pitch. West Ham were swept aside 3-0.

How Grant keeps getting jobs remains one of the mysteries of the modern game. A well-known Premier League manager last week confided his utter bemusement at Grants career, pointing out that it was unfair on up-and-coming managers and concluding that Grant must have some seriously influential friends. He does and West Ham paid the price.

It could be just exaggerated leaks, but similar things about unprofessionalism and outdated methods were being said during his time at Chelsea. Apparently Terry and Clarke were the real key figures behind their run to the CL final.

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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Sheffield gunner on Tue May 17, 2011 6:44 pm

Honigstein was making numerous references to Grant's poor management on twitter yesterday. I think he met Hitzlsperger recently to interview him, so that is doubtlessly where his knowledge comes from. By all accounts no one in the team was really against Grant, and they all liked him as a person, but his tactical management was non-existent.

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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Knoblauch on Wed May 18, 2011 5:04 pm

Speaking on behalf of Millwall fans I'd just like to welcome West Ham Nil to the Championship. It will be great to be able to renew some old friendships.

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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Sun May 22, 2011 1:43 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1389598/Carlo-Ancelotti-wants-manage-West-Ham.html

Latest person who say's he wouldn't mind managing West Ham, Carlo Ancelotti Shocked
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by christmasborocooper on Sun May 22, 2011 1:55 am

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Sun May 22, 2011 3:07 am

christmasborocooper wrote:Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Say's the guy whose team can lure in the great Gareth Southgate Rolling Eyes
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by christmasborocooper on Sun May 22, 2011 11:12 am

Did I claim we could lure anyone? Why do you want to lure people? Is it children you wish to lure? You sick deluded fuck.
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Sun May 22, 2011 11:24 am

Fey wrote:
Poor Deano, both Wham and Samp relegated!


...and Dagenham & Redbridge - hat-trick cheers

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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:51 pm

Tony Fernandes has announced that he has made a bid to buy the club.
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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Kimbo on Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:35 pm

Tony Fernandes, what a name. I bet he turns up to work wearing a Benidorm tan and smoking a cheap cigar.

Also, Sam Allardyce is shite. ok
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Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:25 pm

Sam given the vote of confidence just 24 hours in Laughing

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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:52 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2019305/Dylan-Tombides-treated-testicular-cancer.html

Damn, horrible news, I hopes he quickly recovers.

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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:17 am

Scott Parker to stay at West Ham for another season.

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Re: West Ham United 2010/2011

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Sat May 07, 2016 1:56 pm

West Ham announce all 52,000 season tickets have sold out, most season tickets sold in London. Who said we wouldn't fill the stadium?

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