"Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:49 am

That's more like it Ale

Any fucking fool could see the transformation from the Völler days to the Löw era in such terms - might also have something to do with the players at their disposal too.

"Schlechter Stil" is only the half of it though, it's not just bad form, he has the character of an evil slug.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:25 am

Nah, that's a bit over the top. He is just a bona fide backstabber. If he was ginger you wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.
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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by Ä on Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:41 am

we have already established that Lahm is a slimy little c**t

I still don't understand though how he can get away with saying the EXACT opposite now to what he said in the past

Lahm PUBLICLY defended Klinsi and van Gaal until the very end , when the majority of the players were clearly NOT in his corner and attacked Klinsi/van Gaal

and now suddenly, the weasel seems to claim he was always in the "anti-corner" as well

in his book, he says that van Gaal would NOT listen + would NOT train defense + would position the central defenders too far away from each other

in past interviews, even in the dying days of the van Gaal reign, this is what he said

SPIEGEL: Sie haben oft Spiele nach einer Führung einfach aus der Hand gegeben. Van Gaal muss die Fehler, die dazu geführt haben, doch erkennen.

Lahm: So etwas spricht er auch an.

SPIEGEL: Zieht er die falschen Schlüsse daraus?

Lahm: Nein. Die Analysen sind gut, er sagt ja auch, dass die Spieler hinten enger zu-
sammenstehen müssen. Aber wir bekommen es nicht hin, defensiver zu agieren. Wir schaffen es nicht, dass wir uns gegenseitig absichern, dass wir alle zurückkommen, wenn einer den Ball verloren hat. Nicht immer kann der Trainer etwas dafür.


http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-77531690.html

how can you take this clown seriously anymore ?

still, Lahm is safe

the mainstream media are NOT really milking this topic as much as they could

SZ even claims that it's merely the CONSERVATIVES that are throwing a hissy-fit

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/debatte-um-philipp-lahms-buch-mini-capitano-klagt-an-voeller-tobt-1.1134550

and NOWHERE does anybody pick up on Völler's comments about how Lahm's get the captaincy by an "INTRIGE"

basically, it seems that the media see Ballack as the FACE of the "old football Germany" that HAS to die, whereas Löw and Lahm are the faces of the flat-hierarchy model that IS the future

ie

even those hacks that think Lahm went TOO FAR THIS TIME, cannot take down their spokesman now

will be interesting whether the DFB reacts and how Dummenigge and Co try to spin it

IF AT ALL

95% of all fans in the blogs are FINISHED with Lahm though

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rather amusingly, Robben now tells us in the latest Sportbild

that he would be able to be a Bayern captain as well

" Ich würde es mir zutrauen"

Smile

before adding that he has no chance of ever being a Bayern captain since both Lahm and Schweini are homegrown Bavarians who come from the club academy

well

THAT has not stopped von Bommel from being captain

so maybe we have a solution

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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by DD on Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:08 am

Moral of the story:
Current Germans are weak spineless, sliver spoonfed, snitchhappy passengers who cannot handle pressure. The Dutch are morally upstanding, stubborn, inspiring captain material, around whom you can build a team.

<Ale>

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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by Ä on Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:34 am

DD wrote:Moral of the story:
Current Germans are weak spineless, sliver spoonfed, snitchhappy passengers who cannot handle pressure. The Dutch are morally upstanding, stubborn, inspiring captain material, around whom you can build a team.

<Ale>


there is SOME truth to that Ale

although, to be fair, Lahm is the most spineless of them all, and the REAL men have merely been sidelined, they are not gone completely (see Wiese, Weidenfeller, Ballack, ...)

the Dutch players/ coaches were always notorious for being egomaniac-c**ts (von Persie, VDV, van Gaal...)

but there seems to be a CHANGE here as well

a few years in GERMANY and they tend to become proper team-players and decent human beings ( von Bommel, Robben, Marwijk, even Huntelaar )

Ale

still

the current German lot, as presented in the MEDIA, are only the spineless tip of the iceberg

I attended a training session of 2nd league 1860 the other day

the CONTRAST to those clowns at Bayern, could not have been bigger

whereas at Bayern, the players are almost completely QUIET: no shouting, nothing

at 1860, the players are VERY vocal

number of people who attend an 1860 training session: maybe 20

number of people who attend a Bayern training session: a few hundred

maybe, the second the media/public spotlight hits our lads, they tend to conform to the values currently espoused by the media and become colourless, spineless, paint-by-numbers sissies

Robben, incidentally, reiterated what von Bommel and von Gaal had already said with regards to German football

it's VERY/TOO quiet on the training ground: inconceivable in Holland, he thinks

he also thinks EXPERIENCED players have to lead the younger ones, which goes against the Löw flat-hierarchy principle

Seedorf now also criticised the youth mania, saying "don´t get rid of old shoes, before you have better ones"

it seems, that whereas Dutch players are all old school German now, Germans are increasingly embracing Ajax/Oranje youth obsessed Dutch values

ah well
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:37 am

DD wrote:Moral of the story:
Current Germans are weak spineless, sliver spoonfed, snitchhappy passengers who cannot handle pressure. The Dutch are morally upstanding, stubborn, inspiring captain material, around whom you can build a team.

<Ale>


Haha...yeah, right. You shouldn't confuse hacking down opposition players and breaking their legs with leadership. Neither should you confuse nasty little fouls while the ref isn't watching and diving extraordinaire with moral integrity. And building a team around players who are either injured for half of the season, or eating pies all season, isn't the most productive approach either.

Besides, as if team building was ever a problem for us, it's the last thing Löw has to worry about these days, or Bayern even. This whole issue is just new to the German public that isn't used to their players writing memoirs while they are still active. In England, there probably wouldn't even be a fuss. In Holland neither I guess, as some of your "inspiring' players have already written similar books at an age when they hadn't achieved jack shit. Ale
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:15 pm

Lahm is being heavily criticised by the whole league now. Not just guys like Magath who are actually mentioned in his book, other managers like Leverkusen's Dutt or Werder boss Allofs joined the choir.

http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/liga-kritik-an-autor-lahm--dfb-kuendigt-stellungnahme-an-/news/anzeigen_70710.html

The DFB is going to release an official statement soon apparently.
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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by Ä on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:32 pm

Magath: " so wird man keine Persönlichkeit"

Stanislawski: "Zu erzählen, was der oder jener nachts im Hotel macht. Das macht man nicht. Ob man in diesem Alter schon ein Buch schreiben muss, weiß ich nicht. Diese Leute haben in meinen Augen viel zu viel Zeit, sich über andere Menschen Gedanken zu machen. Das ist unfassbar und spricht auch dafür, wie uninteressant das eigene Leben ist und wie interessant das Leben anderer ist. Zu meiner Zeit wäre das innerhalb unserer Mannschaft problematisch geworden", sagte Stanislawski

Ale
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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:40 pm

Lahm to remain captain of the national team. Löw, Bierhoff et al. are 'not amused'. There will be a 'discussion' with Lahm and other leaders of the team ahead of the Austria match next week.

Official DFB statement:

http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=500014&tx_dfbnews_pi1[showUid]=28866&tx_dfbnews_pi4[cat]=56


A pity, a cowardly decision by the DFB and Löw IMHO. It's the wrong signal in many ways.
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Post by anglophileHedgehog on Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:42 pm

Red Card , lieber DFB! Evil or Very Mad
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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:07 pm

Lahm: "I'm sorry. I didn't want to hurt the feelings of Völler, Klinsmann and others. I'm sorry for the misunderstandings I've caused."

http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/philipp-lahm/stellungnahme-nach-lahm-buch-19591782.bild.html
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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by DD on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:35 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Lahm: "I'm sorry. I didn't want to hurt the feelings of Völler, Klinsmann and others. I'm sorry for the misunderstandings I've caused."

http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/philipp-lahm/stellungnahme-nach-lahm-buch-19591782.bild.html
How pathethic can you get. Rolling Eyes

He almost said: "My agent made me do it!".
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:36 pm

I still don't understand what his motivation was. What's the point? What did he try to achieve?

The only beneficiary in all this is BILD.
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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:41 pm

Oh for fuck's sake. Grow a pair Jogi. It's not like there isn't an obvious alternative you should have chosen in the first place anyway.

(Blut, DD was obviously taking the piss – you have a REAL problem with the cheeseheads don't you?)

Question: I'm at the game in Gelsenkirchen on Friday week; I never boo and doubt I could persuade many to, but worth an exception (in his case)?
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Post by anglophileHedgehog on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:45 pm

Allez, we expect you to hold a sign saying something like "Trainer, nimm das garstige Kind vom Platz!" Wink Or something along those lines!
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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:46 pm

P.S. oh and Blut, yes he was taking a risk, but it was a very calculated risk that was never really going to backfire disastrously. You didn't seriously think Löw would strip him of the captaincy for this, did you?

Where he seems to have misfired is the damage he has done to his reputation in the eyes of lots of the public, for whom he has been and remained the model professional and, scarcely believably, the nice guy. But then again, this can be overstated by the obsessives – I don't reckon (m)any of the plenty who I will be at the game with me next week will be exactly foaming, though they're all big football fans, and think this will probably be forgotten before we imagine.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:47 pm

Not really, but the cheeseheads have become pretty cocky lately. There has to be some 'reinigendes Gewitter' soon. Ale

I actually like a number of their players, bar the dirty c**ts in their central midfield.
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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:49 pm

Good one Igel, sounds like the way forward Wink
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Post by Ä on Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:51 am

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Post by anglophileHedgehog on Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:35 am

Der feine Unterschied
Abpfiff für Lahms Tagebuch


Ohnehin zeigt die lasche Reaktion aus DFB-Kreisen, dass Lahm nichts gedroht hätte. Denn in der Nationalmannschaft werden nur Äußerungen von Spielern bestraft, die in den sportlichen Planungen keine Rolle mehr spielen, siehe Michael Ballack oder Roman Weidenfeller. Das ist der feine Unterschied.
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/sport/abpfiff-fuer-lahms-tagebuch/4540562.html
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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:02 pm

Philipp Lahm wehrt sich gegen Vorwürfe

Mit Vehemenz hat sich Fußball-Nationalspieler Phillipp Lahm von Bayern München gegen den Vorwurf gewehrt, bei seiner Biographie handele es sich um ein Skandal- oder Enthüllungsbuch. Deshalb zeigte er sich überrascht vom allgemeinen Aufschrei.

"Weil es überhaupt nicht meine Absicht gewesen ist, Krach zu schlagen. Die Auszüge, die in den Vorabdrucken rausgezogen wurden, sind verkürzt dargestellt worden. Man muss da schon wie ein Goldsucher an die Lektüre herangehen, um diese Passagen herauszufiltern", sagte Lahm in einem Interview in der Samstag-Ausgabe des "Münchner Merkur".

Er habe nur geschildert und analysiert, was in seiner Karriere bis jetzt passiert sei.

"Ich bin sachlich und schlage dabei nicht über die Stränge. Wer das Buch zur Hand nimmt, merkt sofort, dass es keine Abrechnung ist", sagte der Kapitän der DFB-Auswahl, der auch über seine Zusammenarbeit über diverse Trainer berichtet. "Ich attackiere keinen. Ich analysiere, ich vergleiche meine bisherigen Trainer: Was war bei dem einen besser, was beim anderen?"
Lahm widerspricht Darstellungen

Dass sich frühere Trainer wie Rudi Völler, Felix Magath, Louis van Gaal und Jürgen Klinsmann attackiert fühlen, kann der Verteidiger nicht verstehen.

"Man muss schon alles lesen und nicht nur Auszügen vertrauen. Ich schreibe zum Beispiel in dem gleichen Kapitel über Völler, dass mir nicht bekannt sei, dass in der damaligen Phase irgendeine andere Nation anders trainiert hätte."

Auch über Jürgen Klinsmann habe er längst nicht nur Negatives geschrieben, sondern auch, dass er erst zeitgemäße Professionalität in die Nationalelf hineingebracht habe.
Geld aus Buchverkauf auch für Stiftung

"Über Louis van Gaal stehen mehrere Absätze in dem Buch, was er beim FC Bayern alles Positives bewirkt hat. Bisher wurden nur alle negativen Aspekte des Buches herausgestellt", so Lahm.

Mit den Vorwürfen der Profilneurose oder Geldgier könne er "nichts anfangen. Zum Geld: die meisten Leute wissen ja, dass ich eine Stiftung habe. Geld aus dem Buchverkauf wird sicher auch in diese Richtung fließen. Mein wahres Motiv ist, dass ich den Menschen einfach den Fußball näherbringen wollte", beteuert Lahm, der sich inzwischen bei Klinsmann und Völler "für Missverständnisse" entschuldigte, aber dennoch heftigen Gegenwind aus der Bundesliga verspürt.

Auch Bundestrainer Joachim Löw und Nationalmannschaftsmanager Oliver Bierhoff und Löw haben die Aussagen in Lahms Buch kritisiert und werden den 27-Jährigen beim Treffpunkt der Nationalmannschaft in der kommenden Woche vor dem EM-Qualifikationsspiel gegen Österreich am 2. September zum Rapport bestellen.

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/1108/News/philipp-lahm-wehrt-sich-gegen-vorwuerfe-buch-voeller-klinsmann.html
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Post by Xavier on Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:04 pm

'Philipp Lahm defends itself against accusations'

What my translator makes of that headline... cheers
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Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:08 pm

Even if he is right about stuff being taken out of context by the tabloid press, he only has to blame himself for that. It's Herr Philipp Lahm who has a 'special relationship' with BILD and allowed them to publish excerpts from his book. That BILD connection is poisonous on many levels and the least thing Löw could demand is that Lahm should give it up for good.

And writing the book was stupid to begin with, that goes without saying.
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Post by anglophileHedgehog on Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:43 am

Lahm im Exklusiv-Interview: "Man ist ja ein Mensch, der denkt"
http://www.merkur-online.de/sport/fc-bayern/interview-man-mensch-denkt-1378452.html

Ich kann mit diesen Vorwürfen nichts anfangen. Sowas kann ich auch nicht beeinflussen. Zum Geld: die meisten Leute wissen ja, dass ich eine Stiftung habe. Geld aus dem Buchverkauf wird sicher auch in diese Richtung fließen. Mein wahres Motiv ist, dass ich den Menschen einfach den Fußball näherbringen wollte. Das ist meine Intention. Die Leute fragen sich doch: Was passiert eigentlich bei so einem Profifußballer? Die sehen, der trainiert, der spielt seine Spiele – aber das ist ja noch längst nicht alles. Mich hätte so ein Buch als Kind sehr interessiert. Nur gab es sowas zu meiner Zeit nicht. Deshalb haben wir es ja auch geschrieben: Weil es sowas noch gar nie gegeben hat.

Ahaaaaaaaaaa!
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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by Ä on Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:29 pm

the real motive of the book is pretty damn obvious

you do not write and publish a book in a month

the whole process takes a WHILE

according to sources in the Munich press, Lahm contacted a Munich publisher at the beginning of the year, ie about 8 months ago

in March already, he was reading a few samples to a select group of journalists in a hotel lobby

which is weird in the extreme, but shows that he was testing the water and trying to position himself in the media

we are now nearly in September and the Ballack decision has been made

the Saxon is out and Lahm is the new captain

but in January-March, THAT was not clear AT ALL

in other words

the book is/was an attempt to position himself in the media/public as a football brain/analyst, as the FACE of a NEW kind of FOOTBALL

IN CONTRAST to the "Ewiggestrigen":

hence the story about Euro 2008, which he portrays as "OLD PLAYERS that would not talk to US YOUNG players and merely SHOUT at/demotivate us during the game"

flashback to the whole flat-hierarchy debate where the media portrayed Ballack,Sammer, Kahn, Lothar, Magath... as a bunch of Neanderthalers, whereas Lahm, Löw, Tuchel and (erroneously) Klopp were the FUTURE

NOW

imagine, the causa Ballack had not been settled by Löw yet

100% of the media would still wait for the Saxon to fall and Lahm to take over

THIS book would have been THE MANIFESTO for Lahm and his flat-hierachies with truck loads of AMMUNITION

Völler, van Gaal, Sammer... ALL imcompetent

the old generation of players (Ballack, Frings, Wiese, Weidenfeller...) merely social misfits who stifle the YOUNG generation (Özil, Götze, Müller...) by BULLYING them and NOT helping them

and HERE we have LAHM who STANDS up to those bullies

had the Ballack decision not been made yet, 100% of the media would now call for LAHM to be made captain

the ink way dry when the battle for the captaincy was still raging

so yes

Lahm IS the conniving little , slimy bastard that most people see him as now

all of his talk of flat-hierarchies was merely a ploy to take charge himself, to be the LEADER of the others

talk about irony

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tomorrow Völler will be on Doppelpass

should be fun Smile

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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:44 pm

Ballack being sacked as captain was clear during WC 2010 already. Nice conspiracy theory though.
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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by Ä on Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:00 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Ballack being sacked as captain was clear during WC 2010 already.

Laugh Doh

in your socialist, Gutmensch, flat-hierarchy fantasies maybe

lol!

try to leave Delmenhorst from time to time, blut

it'll do you a whole lot of good

<Ale>

and try to get rid of that mental rust of yours

even if you genuinely believe this "Ballack as Mannschaft player/captain" was finished after the 2010 World Cup

NONSENSE

and I suspect you are on a wind-up

so

mission accomplished

Grr

Lahm still HAD to position himself as the NATURAL successor which he was NOT

most of us would have gone for Schweini

so Lahm not only had to position himself against Ballack , but also against the pigclimber

remember

Lahm got the Bayern captaincy NOT by being a good leader (he is not)

but overtook Schweini with his SZ interview

he paid a penalty for it, but only a few days afterwards, Dummenigge already spoke of Lahm as a potential future Bayern captain

ie

mission accomplished

now he tried to pull the same trick with a book

if ALL of this is too challenging for you

mentally

my good blut

why don't you install a few solar panels on your head

like every good Werder fan should these days

Sheep

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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:23 pm

Rolling Eyes As if the 'Musterschüler' Lahm ever had to 'convince' Löw.

Seriously, is anyone is rusty here, it's you, stuck in your 19th century rhetoric / views about hierarchy. I wonder if you even have a job and know how modern companies are organised. But maybe things just run differently in rural Bavaria.

And you're totally out of touch with the reality of the NT. What you simply refuse to get into that thick head of yours is that Ballack was (and IS) simply not good / fit / sharp / you name it enough for the NT, and this has been clear since mid 2010. Löw knew that, he made it repeatedly clear that Ballack's time was over without explicitly saying it. Not because he wasn't sure, but because he was (is) too much of a coward to confront him directly. That seems to be too challenging for you I'm afraid.

If Lahm wanted to further 'establish himself' as a 'leader' to the public, he could have not chosen a worse approach as the whole thing totally backfired. It doesn't make any sense and an intelligent guy like Lahm is at least smart enough to know that. A completely different scenario than the Süddeutsche Zeitung interview he gave, criticising people who at that time were his bosses and could do him considerable harm, unlike all the ex-coaches and players in his book. Lahm had already achieved what he wanted, he was and is Bayern's and Germany's captain. Risking all this by a totally obvious failure of a publicity stunt is an absolutely stupid explanation. But why should I be surprised.
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Post by Ä on Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:05 pm

amazing how many people are publicly appalled by Lahm's behaviour

Effe, Kahn, Basler, Helmer... are not surprising, ditto Völler

but Dutt, Preetz, Bobic, Freund, Allofs


and now even the KING of all metrosexuals

Metzelder

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/1108/News/philipp-lahm-kapitaen-fc-bayern-stellung-zu-buch-der-feine-unterschied.html


Schalkes Christoph Metzelder hatte zuvor in der "ARD" erklärt: "Das Schlimme ist, dass das nicht im Affekt passiert ist. Das, was er gemacht hat, hat er bewusst gemacht." Es sei immer schwierig, wenn aktive Fußballer sich über Interna äußern, und er sei gespannt, "wie der ein oder andere Kollege bei Bayern München oder in der Nationalelf reagieren wird".

Zur Kritik an den Trainern meinte Metzelder: "Ein Spieler, der von sich selbst glaubt, dass er ein Führungsspieler ist, sollte das auch direkt mit dem Trainer ansprechen. Hinterher kann man immer sagen, ich habe es gewusst und hätte es anders gemacht....

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if even Metze, who is only a few years older than Lahm, and hardly the non-listening, bullying old-generation-style player the slimer so hates,

if even this guy wonders out loud how this is going to affect the locker-room

you DO have a problem

Lahm may be a decent footballer who is still indispensable as such

but he is now beginning to divide the team, maybe more so, than Ballack ever did

what an irony, that the guy who seems to stand for Kumbaja-harmony and attacked Ballack/Frings because they polarised too much, is now the thorn in the Mannschaft flesh

and what an irony that Kuranyi had to leave the Mannschaft fold for good because he left the stadium during a game, whereas Poldi could slap Ballack during a game without consequences and Lahm destroyed the Mannschaft peace and still remained captain

amongst fans Lahm is mostly discredited, by the looks of the blogs

amongst German football "experts"/pundits he is as well

ironically, he could still be the Captain who wins a title for Germany over the next 3 years, simply because of the strength of our current squad

in which case everybody will have forgotten the treachery he committed

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bizarre stuff from Gomez

he criticised Bild for quoting from the Lahm book selectively

lol! Laugh

but also wonders whether one has to write an autobiography at the tender age of 27

from SZ

Und Gomez sprang Lahm zur Seite mit einer durchaus mutigen Meinungsäußerung: "Das zeigt das wahre Gesicht dieser Zeitschrift", sagte Gomez im ZDF-Sportstudio über die Bild-Zeitung. Das Blatt habe die Vorabdrucke aus Lahms Buch dazu genutzt, "Sätze rauszuziehen" und "den Spieler in die Pfanne zu hauen". Dass Lahm - beziehungsweise Lahms Verlag - dem Springer-Blatt das Recht eingeräumt hatte, exklusiv aus dem Werk zu zitieren, fiel für Gomez offenbar nicht ins Gewicht.

Das Thema wird die Bayern in der Länderspielpause wohl weiterhin beschäftigen. Wenn es die anhaltenden muskulären Beschwerden zulassen, wird Gomez ebenfalls zur Nationalmannschaft reisen. Vielleicht wird er dann mit Lahm über das Buch diskutieren. Denn als einer der Männer des Tages erlaubte sich Gomez noch vor der Lektüre ebenfalls Kritik am Kapitän. Die Frage, ob man so ein Buch mit 27 Jahren und als aktiver Profi schreiben muss, könne man durchaus stellen, befand Gomez. Der Stürmer machte sich nicht nur als Dreifachtorschütze einen Namen, sondern auch als Medien- und Literaturkritiker
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Re: "Klinsi SACKED: van GAAL to come"

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:30 pm

The nonsense part of Gomez' statement, I saw it live yesterday, was that Lahm has had that BILD connection going on for years. KMH did say something in this regard, but could have been clearer. So Lahm knew and knows what BILD are, what their methods are, what they stand for. He should be the last guy to be surprised about them taking sentences out of context for sensational purposes.

No matter how you look at it, it was an absolutely idiotic move by Lahm. The whole idea to write his 'memoirs' while still active was stupid. The only good part about this is that in future, other 'prominent' players will think twice to do something similar.

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