Do the Man Utd players and SAF deserve more credit?

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Batman

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Do the Man Utd players and SAF deserve more credit?

Post by Batman on Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:13 pm

The Premiership owns the Champions League in recent years.

There have been 5 English teams in the last 4 Champions League finals.

In the last 2 seasons, there have been 3 English teams in the semi-finals.

In the last two Premiership season Man Utd have won the league by playing fair and attacking football.

Will probably win the league again this season.

Its not that long ago everyone thought this team and SAF were past it.

200304 - Arsenal, untouchables
200405 - Chelsea,
200506 - Chelsea, Machine

At this point Man Utd and SAF were 4th/3rd fav for the league.

But SAF proved all you c**ts that ever doubted him wrong.

So Prem > Europe

Man Utd > Prem

SAF > Everyone













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Re: Do the Man Utd players and SAF deserve more credit?

Post by Kimbo on Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:16 pm

No.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:18 pm

Your life seems rather one dimensional Batman.
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Post by DS on Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:20 pm

No, there is enough credit going around, play know and acclaim the credit say after retirement if you have done well.
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Post by Jaime on Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:22 pm

Why is this in the European board?
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Post by Riviera on Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:22 pm

Kimbo wrote:No.

No ok

I was kinda giving it a shot. That was until I saw the black man in the horrible blue jacket. I mean, seriously? Neutral

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Post by Glenarch of the Glen on Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:41 pm

I think most people do feel some pity for the United fans.

I can understand why some United fans might think they don't get the credit they deserve.

Their celebrations after their penalty shootout win over Avram Grant's 10 man Chelsea team were cut short thanks to the Euros and the Ronaldo transfer saga.

They overcame the Champions of Narnia 1-0 in the World Club Cup but most people in Europe missed the game because it clashed with The Jeremy Kyle Show.

Their kids won the Carling Cup on penalties, with an average age of under 26 and an average cost of less than 13m a player. One of their players in the squad that day isn't even a full international. But people will point to the players missing from the Spurs line-up, and the fact that their manager is a twat.

No one in England is taking United's Premier League title seriously, because they won 18 of their games thanks to a controversial red card and/or penalty.

The poor United fans, I don't think anyone can really understand their pain unless they have been there.
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Re: Do the Man Utd players and SAF deserve more credit?

Post by COTR on Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:52 pm

You should really delete this thread now batman to save yourself further embarassment
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Post by Cesc Soler on Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:01 pm

Batman wrote:Its not that long ago everyone thought this team and SAF were past it.
Including yourself?
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Post by COTR on Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:06 pm

Cesc Soler wrote:
Batman wrote:Its not that long ago everyone thought this team and SAF were past it.
Including yourself?

It may have been before he splashed out on a new bench at 20 million a player
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Post by Dick Grayson on Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:12 pm

L'pool fans = Burning, Jls, Contes!!!
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Post by Fey on Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:25 pm

SAF= AMAZING
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Post by Axeslammer on Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:08 pm

Batman wrote:
In the last two Premiership season Man Utd have won the league by playing fair and attacking football.

lol!

Old Mancunian proverb : when all else fails, there's still the referee Ale

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Post by L r dd on Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:14 pm

I think Man Utd and Alex probably do, but i wouldn't ask for it and certainly wouldn't ever expect it Laughing
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Post by Batman on Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:18 pm

Cesc Soler wrote:
Batman wrote:Its not that long ago everyone thought this team and SAF were past it.
Including yourself?

I didn't think he was past it, but if i am being honest then i did question the signings of Carrick instead of Senna or not signing Hargreaves when his contract at Bayern was going to expire.

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Post by Parks lives on Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:11 am

Fergie probably does from some people. He's clearly the best manager of his generation but you'll still here people making claims for people like Rafa, Capello, Wenger or even Spalletti. Erm

He's not just a great coach, he's a real old fashioned manager who runs the club from top to bottom.

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Post by Glenarch of the Glen on Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:17 am

He's definitely one of the longest serving managers of his generation, I'll give him that.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:59 am

Parks lives wrote:Fergie probably does from some people. He's clearly the best manager of his generation but you'll still here people making claims for people like Rafa, Capello, Wenger or even Spalletti. Erm

He's not just a great coach, he's a real old fashioned manager who runs the club from top to bottom.

Lippi is better, and i don't see why you have to roll your eyes at Capello either.

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Post by Parks lives on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:02 am

It wasn't Capello I was rolling my eyes at. It was the last of those 4.
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Post by Hlebagone on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:03 am

Parks lives wrote:Fergie probably does from some people. He's clearly the best manager of his generation but you'll still here people making claims for people like Rafa, Capello, Wenger or even Spalletti. Erm

He's not just a great coach, he's a real old fashioned manager who runs the club from top to bottom.

Capello's record matches Fergie. I dont think even Pool fans would argue that Rafa's record is better. Another poor dig.

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Post by Parks lives on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:14 am

Pool fans have never claimed Rafa is a better manager?

I don't think Capello's record matches Fergie's either. He normally joins a big club, spends a hell of alot of money, wins them a league title or two playing crap football and then leaves them in a poor state and his CL record isn't much to write home about either. He's an excellent coach but I wouldn't say his managerial record is comparable at all to Fergie's.
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Post by gone on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:22 am

Parks lives wrote:Pool fans have never claimed Rafa is a better manager?

I don't think Capello's record matches Fergie's either. He normally joins a big club, spends a hell of alot of money, wins them a league title or two playing crap football and then leaves them in a poor state and his CL record isn't much to write home about either. He's an excellent coach but I wouldn't say his managerial record is comparable at all to Fergie's.

Laughing Please stop. Did Fergie joined a small club, didn't he spend BIG money on players before winning anything? Capello doesn't play crap football (I think you missed the Milan, Roma or Juve teams he managed). And his CL record is great. 3 CL finals in a row.

Having said that SAF is a great manager and he deserves the credit he gets.
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Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:28 am

Whilst the Milan team was awesome... Capello's Roma was his greatest achievement IMO.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:28 am

And SAF CL record is greater than Capello's? Certainly Capello underachieved with Juve in the CL but then so has Fergie. 2 CL finals is all he has to show.

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Post by blehh on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:34 am

Think you are to harsh on Capello. His Milan side was exceptional in the CL and the football mesmerizing, at a point where Serie A was clearly the strongest league in Europe. And he gave Real Madrid back their glory at both his spells there, introducing them to their golden period in the late 90's and later giving Schuster a far easier task than he had to take a year before.
Winning the league with a underdog club like Roma is also a great achievement.

Ferguson had some advantages which made winning the PL in the gloomy days a little easy, but the league wasn't very competetive or of much quality in the 90's anyway. He should have credit for rebuilding the team to be the strongest in the world at this point, though.

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Post by Black Magic on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:35 am

The HuddFather wrote:Whilst the Milan team was awesome... Capello's Roma was his greatest achievement IMO.

At the same time, out of all the managers in our history, he benefited the most when it came to monetary funds. Spal, and the club as a whole are still paying for some of the players he purchased.

I'm disappointed in you Batman, most of your threads were based on hopes of Man Utd receiving inadvertent credit on this board - "What English team do you think has been the most successful in the last decade?" Erm

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Post by Parks lives on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:44 am

& that's part of my point. He comes into a side and only focuses on the first XI in the short term and gains instant success and then leaves them in a sorry state.

Roma were left short of money, the Real Madrid squad is a sorry state at the moment. The Juve team he left was full of old players.

The Milan team he inherited from Sacchi was already outstanding as well.
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Post by fcb on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:47 am

Why are you criticising him for his legacy at various clubs when you can't make a direct comparison to Ferguson on that criterion, since Ferguson hasn't had to leave the club yet. Who knows, maybe in a couple of seasons the Man. Utd. squad won't be in as good shape as it is now?

Also, I don't know about the Italian clubs, but at Madrid he was fired, didn't leave. And the squad situation was partly his fault (Emerson Laughing ) but mostly the incompetent sporting director and president.

That said, I'm no Capello fan. He's achieved success but I still think Ferguson is a better manager.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:54 am

Parks lives wrote:& that's part of my point. He comes into a side and only focuses on the first XI in the short term and gains instant success and then leaves them in a sorry state.

Roma were left short of money, the Real Madrid squad is a sorry state at the moment. The Juve team he left was full of old players.

The Milan team he inherited from Sacchi was already outstanding as well.

His spending at Roma was not that much relative to other Serie A teams challenging for the title. It is not his fault that the transfer bubble burst in 2002 and clubs like Fiorentina, Parma and Lazio had much more serious financial troubles.

At Juve, he didn't do the transfers.
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Post by gone on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:56 am

And if we are talking about managers from his generation how about Guus Hiddink or Ottmar Hitzfeld? Both (Hitzfeld certainly) are better then SAF imo.

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