Belgium - whats their problem?

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Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Rasiak-9 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:02 pm

Dembele
Vermaelen
Fellaini
Van Buyten
Vertonghen

Whats their problem when it comes to International games? I mean i'm not saying they should be a world power in football but they should at least be qualifying for major tournements, yet somehow they can't manage to even challenge...
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by debaser on Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:13 pm

Most of those you list are young (under 25) - they have a good batch, but probably need longer. They should be looking to qualify for next Euros. Their problem will be, lack of recent success means they'll have a low seeding and get a tricky qualification group.
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Romford Pele on Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:15 pm

Witsel and Defour too ok
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Fade out on Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:16 pm

vermaelen is the problem..
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Romford Pele on Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:16 pm

Pshhhh.....
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Fey on Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:18 pm

Look, Belgium aint a real country, the Dutch speaking part wants to go on its own and the Anderlecht v Standard situation wont help either.

Other then that they are already out, and then Belgium have troubles to motivate themselves.

This group IS talented, but next time the NEED to qualify! This group already failed twice now!

But they will get a Dutch coach now, to sort it out. Which is a HUGE step for them, since they absolutely hate us
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by SuperMario on Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:47 pm

A foreign manager might work, they really need to gel as a team (lots of divisions like fey says). they could have given the job to De sart too. He did great with most of them at U-21 level.
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Fey on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:47 pm

It is sad to see them in this state, nothing beats a good old holland-belgium imo. Unlucky at wc's as well! Remember that clear penalty against the Germans! Or that perfect legal goal against Brazil in 2002!

Poor Belgium Sad
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Hlebagone on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:53 pm

Eden Hazard too. Who is fucking awesome. Fact.

They seem to add up to far less than the sum of their parts. The majority of their players now even play for champions league teams (or have done recently):

To take the team that got absolutely dicked on by Spain:

Gillet - decent
Vanden Borroe - Talented, could be as goos as Glenn Johnson for example, but not someone you want to rely on in defence.
Simons - Champions league experience.
Vermaelon - Champions league experience.
Fellaini - Plays in best league in the world.
Defour - Massively talented, technically good.
Vertonghen - Awesome, despite playing for Ajax.
Hazard - Awesome. Fact.
Demebele - Very good player. Will soon have champions league experience.
Sonck - meh. Experienced i suppose.

There we go. Lots of players who still are nowhere near their full potential, but a good lot that should not be losing to fucking Armenia.

Still the talents of Axel Witsel and maybe Mirallas as well. Hows Poccognoli doing at AZ as left back is a weak spot.
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Fey on Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:50 am

Well some of them are quite poor! I mean, Belgium does lack a real good keeper. And Vanden Borre needs to play matches, cause he is not improving the last years anymore.

Simons works hard, but working hard will only get you so far.

The players are there though, but they have to break-up like Czechoslovakia! A Flemish side and a Walloon side, a national team with 3 languages wont work!
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Axeslammer on Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:57 am

Martens also is a real quality player.

Hiddink would take Belgium to the semis at a WC.

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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Fey on Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:20 am

They lack a genuine goalscorer, Dembele and Mirellas even though very talented, not the ones that score that many goals. They could do with a Huntelaar, I wouldnt mind giving him to Belgium!
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Murray on Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:46 pm

The last time the Belgians had a good team

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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:53 pm

They need to stop discriminating their Frenchies and get rid of the Dutchies. Success will only be a matter of time then.
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Fey on Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:13 pm

They should kick out their German speaking part, three is a crowd so one of them has to go, clearly the Germans!
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Hlebagone on Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:47 pm

lol! All 73,000 of them.
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Aristoskank on Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:57 pm

Never got over the retirement of Enzo Schifo.
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Fey on Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:39 pm

Hlebagone wrote: All 73,000 of them.

It took only one German speaking man to cause a gigantic war...imagine what 73.000 German speaking Belgians can do!

Think about it Ale
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:49 pm

If Belgium would allow two or three of those Germans to represent them in the national team, they'd not only qualify, they'd reach the WC 1/4 finals, knocking Holland out in the second round. But what can you do when the Kroket - Bitterballen - Kibbelingen - brigade grease their way to the Belgian FA and discriminate everyone else. It's a sad state of things.

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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Glenarch of the Glen on Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:52 pm

if Belgium had any decent German speaking players they would be capped by Germany already.

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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:28 am

Nah, we are a generous bunch. We formed Hargreaves for you islanders, the only 'English' player to score his penalty at the last WC, and that's the thanks we get. Sad

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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Glenarch of the Glen on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:26 am

you tried to add Hargreaves to your list of imported Germans. It's nice to see some people are immune to the brainwashing.
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Isco Benny on Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:36 pm

http://footballwonderkidscout.co.uk/#/the-rise-of-belgian-football/4539937311

Lukaku, Van de Bruyne, Hazard, Defour, Vermaelen, Kompany, Fellaini, Witsel

how long until they become genuine international force?

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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Kroos on Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:04 pm

i dont know, but they look very decent

have my doubts that they will ever have a winning mentality
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Fey on Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:36 pm

It looks good on paper, then again we are saying that for years already. And as things stand they wont go to 2012. Which is a shame considering on paper they are as good as Germany imo. But as with them, Belgium has toptalents rather then topplayers. Up front they still lack a player or two who are decisive for top clubs in top leagues.

For years I have heard 2012 would be their year, but it looks like it wont be. A couple of factors contributed to this imo:


  • Tend to have a bad, defensive coach
  • There are always a few below par players in their team
  • The downward spiral with seeding, after 2004 which they nearly missed and 2006, they only got into tougher qualifying groups, which makes it only harder to qualify
  • The country is really divided, can you be one team while the country clearly isnt?
  • Their obsession with Holland
They will need a bit of luck with their qualifying group for 2014. But the current crop really needs to improve in the upcomming years to make that. Otherwise it will be 2016 for them, which they will considering its going to 24 spots. By that time it has been 14 years since belgium played a major tournament....

Which is a real shame since the derby against them is always something special, and they have always been our best footballing neighbour.

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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:16 pm

As good as the team that has won every match in that group, which in contrast to yours is not a piece of piss, scored 22 goals while conceding 3? Get out of here!

They have quite a few talented players indeed, but lack a clear concept IMHO. A bit of a headless chicken syndrome at times, seem to be their worst enemy themselves.
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Isco Benny on Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:23 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:As good as the team that has won every match in that group, which in contrast to yours is not a piece of piss, scored 22 goals while conceding 3? Get out of here!

They have quite a few talented players indeed, but lack a clear concept IMHO. A bit of a headless chicken syndrome at times, seem to be their worst enemy themselves.

Ale A problem with many international teams. Brazil currently suffering a similar crisis despite having a embarrassing number of brilliant players coming through.

Remember in World Cup 2002 when this happened against Brazil (a robbery) at 0-0:



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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by debaser on Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:28 pm

Typical case of referee protecting the S.Americans and robbing the Europeans No

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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by A & K on Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:10 am

They are still young, I think in 2-3 years they will have gain more experience. Lukaku and Hazard will then be playing for some bigger clubs. Playing abroad can only benefitial.
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Re: Belgium - whats their problem?

Post by Isco Benny on Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:08 pm

Merillas of Everton now added to the mix.

Well? What is their problem? On paper their team is better than Germany FFS

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