Best first XI + seven first choice subs?

Valdes = 0
Alves = 40m (being generous here and assuming the rumours about the big trophy bonuses in his transfer are true)
Puyol = 0
Pique = 5m
Abidal = 15m
Toure = 10m
Xavi = 0
Iniesta = 0
Henry = 24m
Ibrahimovic = 70m
Messi = 0

Total cost of ideal first team = 164m euros

Pinto = 1m
Pedro = 0
Keita = 14m
Busquets = 0
Bojan = 0
Maxwell = 5m
Marquez = 6m

Total cost of first team and 7 subs = 190m euros

Ideally of course I'd have Chygrinskiy instead of Marquez, but that's an extra 16m in the overall cost
Apart from Chygrinskiy and Milito (who's another expensive defender...f@cking hell, just how much have we spent on them in the last 2 years ) that's pretty much our entire squad

Total cost of squad = 228m euros (Chygrinskiy = 22m euros and Milito = 16m euros)


Alternative version, taking into account Guardiola's actual preferred team in the big games this year:

Valdes = 0
Alves = 40m
Puyol = 0
Pique = 5m
Abidal = 15m
Busquets = 0
Keita = 14m
Xavi = 0
Iniesta = 0
Ibrahimovic = 70m
Messi = 0

Total = 144m euros

Batman wrote:Best first XI + seven first choice subs?

Approximate, from the top of my head...

Starting XI = Eur 120m
Cesar 3
Samuel 18
Chivu 15
Maicón 7
Lucio 7
Zanetti 11
Stankovic 4
Cambiasso 0
Sneijder 15
Eto'o 20
Milito 20

7 subs = Eur 91m
Toldo 26
Cordoba 16
Santon 0
Motta 10
Muntari 15
Quaresma 24
Balotelli 0

Other key subs: 20m
Pandev 0
Materazzi 10
Arnautovic 10

kas wrote:Ibrahimovic = 45m

Thats bull... you forgot about Eto'o, so it was 45+20 at the least, even if we take the official valuation of Eto'o at 20m.

Iker Casillas - Free
Ramos - €27m
Pepe - €30m
Raul Albiol - €15m
Arebloa - €4m
Lass - €20m
Alonso - €30m
Cristiano Ronaldo - €94m
Kaka - €60m
Karim Benzema - €30m
Higuain - €13m


Dudek - €0
Raul - €0
VdV - €15m
Gago - €20.4
Garay - €10
Metzelder - €0
Granero - €4m


Total: €372.4

bluenine wrote:

kas wrote:Ibrahimovic = 45m

Thats bull... you forgot about Eto'o, so it was 45+20 at the least, even if we take the official valuation of Eto'o at 20m.

Not really...I assumed Etoo's value to be 0.

You could effectively count Etoo as a free transfer in your Inter team.

kas wrote:

bluenine wrote:

kas wrote:Ibrahimovic = 45m

Thats bull... you forgot about Eto'o, so it was 45+20 at the least, even if we take the official valuation of Eto'o at 20m.

Not really...I assumed Etoo's value to be 0.

You could effectively count Etoo as a free transfer in your Inter team.

You assumed wrong Kas

Add on that £20 million

Lets just get straight to the point of this whole thread..the Man utd squad cost less then Rafa's squad. Or the other way around.

I don't really see the big deal here...Batman asked how much the team cost so I'm putting the cash amount Barça paid for Ibrahimovic. If Batman starts a thread asking for my team's balance sheet, then I'll add 20m to Ibrahimovic's value

Liverpool

Reina - £6m
Johnson - £18m
Agger - £5m
Carra - Zilch
Aurelio - Zilch
Kuyt - £9m
Masch - £18m
Aquilani - £18m
Riera - £8m
Gerrard - Zilch
Torres - £22m

Subs

Cavalieri - £3m
Babel - £11m
Lucas - £6m
Insua - £1.5m
Ngog - £1.5m
Yossi - £5m
Sktrel - £7m


£139m give or take a few million quid

Falcón - 0
Mallo - youth team
Noguerol - 0
Jordi - 0
Lago - youth team
Bustos - 0
López Garai - 0
Michu - 0
Dani Abalo - youth team
Iago Aspas - youth team
Joselu - youth team

Starting XI - 0 €

Yoel - youth team
Vasco Fernandes - loan
Catalá - 0
Botelho - loan
Vila - youth team
Trashorras - 0
Saulo - 0
Arthuro - 0

kas wrote:I don't really see the big deal here...Batman asked how much the team cost so I'm putting the cash amount Barça paid for Ibrahimovic. If Batman starts a thread asking for my team's balance sheet, then I'll add 20m to Ibrahimovic's value

Zlatan cost however many billion plus Eto so the cost of Zlatan includes the value of Eto

Fairly simple stuff Kas

COTR #6 wrote:

kas wrote:I don't really see the big deal here...Batman asked how much the team cost so I'm putting the cash amount Barça paid for Ibrahimovic. If Batman starts a thread asking for my team's balance sheet, then I'll add 20m to Ibrahimovic's value

Zlatan cost however many billion plus Eto so the cost of Zlatan includes the value of Eto

Fairly simple stuff Kas

I know what you're saying: "if Etoo wasn't included in the deal, Inter would have charged Barça 65m euros for Zlatan".

But the way I'm interpreting it is: Barça cancelled Etoo's contract and released him on a free, and then paid 45m euros for Ibrahimovic to Inter, who were willing to negotiate a lower price since they had picked up a world class Cameroonian striker on a free transfer.

As I said, I don't see the big deal here.

Fey wrote:Lets just get straight to the point of this whole thread..the Man utd squad cost less then Rafa's squad. Or the other way around.

Let us get to the point quickly then

VDS - £3m ?
Brown - Zilch
Rio - £30m
Vidic - £6.5m
Evra - £6m
Valencia - £18m
Anderson - £18m
Hargreaves - £18m
Nana - £18m
Berbatov - £31m
Rooney £30m

Subs

Pig - £3m
Tosic - £9m
Sir Ryan Giggs - Zilch
Obertan - £3m
Carrick - £18m
Park - £4m
Scholes / Neville / Evans - Zilch


Total = £215m plus £400 billion in wages

http://www.fcbarcelona.com/web/downloads/pdf/Tancament_econxmic_08-09_i_pressupost_09-10esp_x25-07-09x.pdf

FCB forecast actual spending to be €375M. And hoping to rake in €405M.

Good luck

Laudable Laudrup wrote:http://www.fcbarcelona.com/web/downloads/pdf/Tancament_econxmic_08-09_i_pressupost_09-10esp_x25-07-09x.pdf

FCB forecast actual spending to be €375M. And hoping to rake in €405M.

Good luck

Yes, let's laugh, they're forecasting a massive 5% increase in revenue after a season in which the team won everything, thus gaining more prize money, more sponsorship and TV revenue, and more exposure around the world. What a preposterous idea



On a serious note, I wouldn't be surprised to see the spending be higher than 375m, and the club to possibly make a loss because of:

- The Ibrahimovic and Chygrinskiy transfers
- How big the players' prize bonuses end up being, and how much of the figure was budgeted for in that 375m number
- Funding the other (loss-making) parts of the club, esp. the basketball team, with their signing of Ricky Rubio over the summer.

Olé wrote:Falcón - 0
Mallo - youth team
Noguerol - 0
Jordi - 0
Lago - youth team
Bustos - 0
López Garai - 0
Michu - 0
Dani Abalo - youth team
Iago Aspas - youth team
Joselu - youth team

Starting XI - 0 €

Yoel - youth team
Vasco Fernandes - loan
Catalá - 0
Botelho - loan
Vila - youth team
Trashorras - 0
Saulo - 0
Arthuro - 0

winner!

kas wrote:

COTR #6 wrote:

kas wrote:I don't really see the big deal here...Batman asked how much the team cost so I'm putting the cash amount Barça paid for Ibrahimovic. If Batman starts a thread asking for my team's balance sheet, then I'll add 20m to Ibrahimovic's value

Zlatan cost however many billion plus Eto so the cost of Zlatan includes the value of Eto

Fairly simple stuff Kas

I know what you're saying: "if Etoo wasn't included in the deal, Inter would have charged Barça 65m euros for Zlatan".

But the way I'm interpreting it is: Barça cancelled Etoo's contract and released him on a free, and then paid 45m euros for Ibrahimovic to Inter, who were willing to negotiate a lower price since they had picked up a world class Cameroonian striker on a free transfer.

As I said, I don't see the big deal here.

I guess "by your interpretation" all player swaps are "free transfers" We all know thats just bull, Eto'o was not released on a free, else he could ve negotiated with any club....

By yr reasoning, Milito cost Inter under 10m, and Eto'o was a free transfer. All Inter now have to do is swap some of our players and we will soon have a squad for "free".

Almunia - £1m
Sagna - £6m
Vermaelen - £13m
Gallas - £0 (difficult to judge as it was a swap deal)
Clichy - £0.5m
Denilson - £3m
Song - £1m
Fabregas - £0.5m
Arshavin - £15m
Nasri - £13m
Van Persie - £2.75m

Fabianski - £1m
Eboue - £1m
Gibbs - £0m
Diaby - £2m
Ramsey - £5m
Eduardo - £10m
Walcott - £9m

£83m (if I've underestimated some then say £95m in total) - a bit of a rough estimate because we often don't disclose fees (some will say Eduardo cost £7m, some will say £15m). Also we didn't pay anything for Gallas, but he was probably worth £10-5m.

Seliga - free
Boayke - 500K
Adeleye - 200K
Viergever - youth team
Slijngaard - free
Rutjes - youth team
Falkenburg - youth team
Strootman - youth team
Duplan - 800K
Poepon - free
Bodul - loan

First team: 1,5M

vGessel - free
Touzani - free
Duarte - youth team
John - youth team
Knol - free
Varkevisser - free
vBentem - youth team

Sheffield gunner wrote:Almunia - £1m
Sagna - £6m
Vermaelen - £13m
Gallas - £0 (difficult to judge as it was a swap deal)
Clichy - £0.5m
Denilson - £3m
Song - £1m
Fabregas - £0.5m
Arshavin - £15m
Nasri - £13m
Van Persie - £2.75m

Fabianski - £1m
Eboue - £1m
Gibbs - £0m
Diaby - £2m
Ramsey - £5m
Eduardo - £10m
Walcott - £9m

£83m (if I've underestimated some then say £95m in total) - a bit of a rough estimate because we often don't disclose fees (some will say Eduardo cost £7m, some will say £15m). Also we didn't pay anything for Gallas, but he was probably worth £10-5m.

You better add that 10m in there, otherwise COTR and Bluenine will start explaining GAAP to you

kas wrote:

Sheffield gunner wrote:Almunia - £1m
Sagna - £6m
Vermaelen - £13m
Gallas - £0 (difficult to judge as it was a swap deal)
Clichy - £0.5m
Denilson - £3m
Song - £1m
Fabregas - £0.5m
Arshavin - £15m
Nasri - £13m
Van Persie - £2.75m

Fabianski - £1m
Eboue - £1m
Gibbs - £0m
Diaby - £2m
Ramsey - £5m
Eduardo - £10m
Walcott - £9m

£83m (if I've underestimated some then say £95m in total) - a bit of a rough estimate because we often don't disclose fees (some will say Eduardo cost £7m, some will say £15m). Also we didn't pay anything for Gallas, but he was probably worth £10-5m.

You better add that 10m in there, otherwise COTR and Bluenine will start explaining GAAP to you

I can't believe you are making it out that we are the ones being unreasonable

I thought it was Generally Accepted that the Zlatan transfer cost around £70m anyway.

There you go, I've edited my post. I hope everybody can sleep well tonight knowing the Barça squad is probably still the 2nd (or 3rd, depending on those Man. Utd. numbers) most expensive in Europe, with or without the Ibrahimovic adjustment.

Barca fans cooking the numbers

More then a cheat

Super Solari wrote:Barca fans cooking the numbers

More then a cheat

Laporta fraudulence and propaganda will be exposed sooner or later. Or so I hope. They are only about 40m Euros less from our budget. We will rake more revenues due to Cristiano and Kaka effect. We can make up the projected revenue but their projections will fail unless they do well in the pitch. I'm almost certain of that.

Fey wrote:Lets just get straight to the point of this whole thread..the Man utd squad cost less then Rafa's squad. Or the other way around.

To be fair, i have used the same website to get both teams costs.

http://transferleague.co.uk/

Liverpool
Reina - £6m
Johnson - £17.5m
Agger - £5.8m
Carra - Zilch
Aurelio - Zilch
Kuyt - £9m
Masch - £18.6m
Aquilani - £17m
Riera - £8m
Gerrard - Zilch
Torres - £26.5m

Subs
Cavalieri - £3.5m
Babel - £11.5m
Lucas - £6m
Insua - £1.3m
Ngog - £1.5m
Yossi - £5m
Sktrel - £6.5m

Total = £143.7m (€159.8m)


Man Utd
VDS - £2.5m
Rafael - £2.5m
Rio - £30m
Vidic - £7m
Evra - £5.5m
Valencia - £16m
Fletcher - youth
Carrick - £18.6m
Giggs - youth
Rooney - £27m
Berbatov - £30.7m

Subs
Kuszczak - £2.5m
Brown - youth
Fabio £2.6m
Scholes - youth
Anderson - £15m
Park - £4m
Owen - free

Total = £131.3m (€146m)

Julio Sergio - €0
Riise - €4m
Juan - €6m
Mexes - €7m
Burdisso - LOAN
Perrotta - €6m
Pizarro - €5.7m
De Rossi - €0
Taddei - €0
Totti - €0
Vucinic - €12m

€47.5million

Motta - €7m
Doni - €100k
Tonetto - €0
Toni - LOAN
Cicinho - €11m
Baptista - €9m
Okaka Chuka - €0
Menez - €13m (I cant remember, it may have been more/less)
Brighi - Swap deal with Juventus, Brighi + Cash (€5m?) for Emerson
Andreolli - Part of Chivu deal
Cassetti - €1.5m
Guberti - €0
Cerci - €0

Batman wins

COTR #6 wrote:

VDS - £3m ?
Brown - Zilch
Rio - £30m
Vidic - £6.5m
Evra - £6m
Valencia - £18m
Anderson - £18m
Hargreaves - £18m
Nana - £18m
Berbatov - £31m
Rooney £30m

Subs

Pig - £3m
Tosic - £9m
Sir Ryan Giggs - Zilch
Obertan - £3m
Carrick - £18m
Park - £4m
Scholes / Neville / Evans - Zilch


Total = £215m plus £400 billion in wages

Bump for the Batty man


Let's keep it fair and include Sir Alex's most extravagant signings. You can't just not include them because they have turned out to be total shit Batty


Oh and you also appear to not be able to count


Nice try Batman but it ends in defeat

shouldn't it be 'how much did your squad cost'? or how much did your most expensive team cost?

United have £50m+ worth of players not in their supposed best 18