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    Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

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    Which performance is the best?

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    Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Alive and Kicking on Mon May 17, 2010 6:38 am

    Both have the same amounts of goals in La Liga: 34

    Ronaldo was 20 years old: 34 goals in 37 games (44 goals in 47 games) U.E.F.A cup Winner

    Messi is 22. Scored 34 goals in 35 games affraid and 8 c.l goals in 11 games.

    Two amazingly performance by two amazing players but which is better?

    It was Ronaldo's first season playing in Spain, whereas Messi has been there for a while. Messi had to play the C.L though, and Ronaldo the U.E.F.A cup against the mighty P.S.G.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by TM on Mon May 17, 2010 8:32 am

    Ronaldo easy peasy.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Kroos on Mon May 17, 2010 9:31 am

    i dont rate messi, he cant rape defensive sides on his own
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Antarion on Mon May 17, 2010 9:42 am

    I think as always with polls like these, people rate former players always higher than actual players.
    When there is a new "messi" in 5-10 years and everyone compares him to the actual messi, most would vote for the original.

    In the past, everything was better. jocolor
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by DeLux on Mon May 17, 2010 9:57 am

    Antarion wrote:I think as always with polls like these, people rate former players always higher than actual players.
    When there is a new "messi" in 5-10 years and everyone compares him to the actual messi, most would vote for the original.

    In the past, everything was better. jocolor


    ok

    You only have to look at the cynical posts made about Messi in the first leg against Arsenal.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by bluenine on Mon May 17, 2010 10:01 am

    Olé wrote:
    Antarion wrote:I think as always with polls like these, people rate former players always higher than actual players.
    When there is a new "messi" in 5-10 years and everyone compares him to the actual messi, most would vote for the original.

    In the past, everything was better. jocolor


    ok

    You only have to look at the cynical posts made about Messi in the first leg against Arsenal.


    To be fair tho, thats also coz the former players have had their entire career, where as current players like Messi have many years of football left.... it may happen that Messi becomes a bigger legend than Ronaldo in 10 years time, but you can understand why most people are voting Ronaldo here.... that ingrate bucktooth was an amazing player in the late 90s, and has achieved a lot in his career...
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Mon May 17, 2010 10:08 am

    R9 for me. because it was his debut season in La Liga, and he was a teenager, and it seemed nothing (but an unforeseen fit) could stop him.

    Also Nike had a promotional event at my school just because of Ronaldo. He was that good. Very Happy
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Antarion on Mon May 17, 2010 10:19 am

    bluenine wrote:
    Olé wrote:
    Antarion wrote:I think as always with polls like these, people rate former players always higher than actual players.
    When there is a new "messi" in 5-10 years and everyone compares him to the actual messi, most would vote for the original.

    In the past, everything was better. jocolor


    ok

    You only have to look at the cynical posts made about Messi in the first leg against Arsenal.


    To be fair tho, thats also coz the former players have had their entire career, where as current players like Messi have many years of football left.... it may happen that Messi becomes a bigger legend than Ronaldo in 10 years time, but you can understand why most people are voting Ronaldo here.... that ingrate bucktooth was an amazing player in the late 90s, and has achieved a lot in his career...


    But the question was not who was the overall better player but in a specific part (both at oung age, same number of goals and all and without national team influence too)
    And I dont think its as clear cut as the votes imply. Thus my post...
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Axeslammer on Mon May 17, 2010 10:29 am

    20 vs 22

    First season vs eased into it

    Easy question.

    Why you'd want to compare the two is another question : why ask if the Mona Lisa is better than David ? Just accept both are an almost superhuman accomplishment, just sit back...relax...and enjoy *both* if you have the opportunity Ale
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by UK_Andy on Mon May 17, 2010 10:33 am

    If you just literally compare individual records and performances throughout the respective seasons i would actually be willing to go for Ronaldo out of the two.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by bluenine on Mon May 17, 2010 10:34 am

    Antarion wrote:
    bluenine wrote:
    Olé wrote:
    Antarion wrote:I think as always with polls like these, people rate former players always higher than actual players.
    When there is a new "messi" in 5-10 years and everyone compares him to the actual messi, most would vote for the original.

    In the past, everything was better. jocolor


    ok

    You only have to look at the cynical posts made about Messi in the first leg against Arsenal.


    To be fair tho, thats also coz the former players have had their entire career, where as current players like Messi have many years of football left.... it may happen that Messi becomes a bigger legend than Ronaldo in 10 years time, but you can understand why most people are voting Ronaldo here.... that ingrate bucktooth was an amazing player in the late 90s, and has achieved a lot in his career...


    But the question was not who was the overall better player but in a specific part (both at oung age, same number of goals and all and without national team influence too)
    And I dont think its as clear cut as the votes imply. Thus my post...


    I know, but the problem is that people will not "forget" what Ronaldo did after 97. Thats why there will be a bias.

    Anyways, Messi is one of my fav players, and I hate Ronaldo. But I voted Ronaldo, coz IMO he was just phenomenal as a kid - I have never seen a 20 yr old have THAT kind of an end product.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Calidad on Mon May 17, 2010 12:26 pm

    Ronaldo. He done it against better defences.

    Messi's is still a fantastic achievement though.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Romford Pele on Mon May 17, 2010 12:33 pm

    R9 ok
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção on Mon May 17, 2010 1:24 pm

    R9 he was the best on the planet by a country mile same cannot be said about Messi(yes I love Messi as a footballer but Ronaldo was something else)
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção on Mon May 17, 2010 1:24 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:20 vs 22

    First season vs eased into it

    Easy question.

    Why you'd want to compare the two is another question : why ask if the Mona Lisa is better than David ? Just accept both are an almost superhuman accomplishment, just sit back...relax...and enjoy *both* if you have the opportunity Ale
    Axe how good was he at PSV?
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Guest on Mon May 17, 2010 2:05 pm

    With all the messi hate on here no one will say messi.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Jaime on Mon May 17, 2010 2:07 pm

    Messiah wrote:With all the messi hate on here no one will say messi.


    lol!
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção on Mon May 17, 2010 2:07 pm

    Messiah wrote:With all the messi hate on here no one will say messi.
    I don't hate Messi but I just think R9 was on another planet plus he was more exciting to watch(had much more skill,strength,pace,two footed, better finishing)
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Axeslammer on Mon May 17, 2010 2:09 pm

    EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:Axe how good was he at PSV?


    Simply incredible.

    There's only been one better, but I think he was older when he came to Holland.

    (I'm talking about Romario of course)
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Axeslammer on Mon May 17, 2010 2:11 pm

    Messiah wrote:With all the messi hate on here no one will say messi.


    You should change your name to Messiah-Complex, massive Calimero that you are Ale
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Disco Benny on Mon May 17, 2010 2:12 pm

    Messiah wrote:With all the messi hate on here no one will say messi.


    It's arguing for the sake of it arguing - only a tool would say they don't rate both. But Ronaldo does shade it slightly given it was his first season.

    I wouldn't turn my nose up at Messi like Ozil (who doesn't rate him Laugh). He is more than capable of raping all over a team on his own.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Guest on Mon May 17, 2010 2:16 pm

    Just to be clear i voted for ronaldo. even though all those goals fail to help us win the league.

    But messi won't get much votes, so this is a waste of a pole, because

    1) people tend to think players in the past as being better than they actually were.

    2) Messi isn't enough of a fantastico.

    Dinho 05/06 Vs Ronaldo now that would be interesting

    Dinho wins that one for me.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Super defensive on Mon May 17, 2010 2:18 pm

    Messi losing big time cheers
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção on Mon May 17, 2010 2:20 pm

    Messiah wrote:Just to be clear i voted for ronaldo. even though all those goals fail to help us win the league.

    But messi won't get much votes, so this is a waste of a pole, because

    1) people tend to think players in the past as being better than they actually were.

    2) Messi isn't enough of a fantastico.

    Dinho 05/06 Vs Ronaldo now that would be interesting

    Dinho wins that one for me.
    Now Dinho wins this one in terms of fantasy alone cheers cheers
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção on Mon May 17, 2010 2:22 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:Axe how good was he at PSV?


    Simply incredible.

    There's only been one better, but I think he was older when he came to Holland.

    (I'm talking about Romario of course)
    Ronaldo better all round but in terms of the penalty box Romario is the king,Aguero reminds me of Romario apart from the finishing skills.


    Axe is it too true Romario never trained and was always out nights before games but he will still score on and off the pitch? Laugh ok
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by stinger on Mon May 17, 2010 2:26 pm

    As incredible as Messi is right now, Ronaldo scoring all this goals had a much, much tougher task. League was closer, he was younger and it was his 1st season in La Liga. Barcelona under Robson wasn't very good team and had a quite defensive line-up - with double pivot of Popescu and Guardiola playing most of the time, in front of central defence of Couto/Blanc/Nadal (2 of them). I didn't like they way Barca was playing that season and Real won deservedly a title at that time. Ronaldo, along with Luis Enrique, although he struggled to find a position and De La Pena starting his career, were only bright spots for Barca at that time.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção on Mon May 17, 2010 2:27 pm

    stinger wrote:As incredible as Messi is right now, Ronaldo scoring all this goals had a much, much tougher task. League was closer, he was younger and it was his 1st season in La Liga. Barcelona under Robson wasn't very good team and had a quite defensive line-up - with double pivot of Popescu and Guardiola playing most of the time, in front of central defence of Couto/Blanc/Nadal (2 of them). I didn't like they way Barca was playing that season and Real won deservedly a title at that time. Ronaldo, along with Luis Enrique, although he struggled to find a position and De La Pena starting his career, were only bright spots for Barca at that time.
    What about Giovanni? he was immense
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by stinger on Mon May 17, 2010 2:35 pm

    EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:
    stinger wrote:As incredible as Messi is right now, Ronaldo scoring all this goals had a much, much tougher task. League was closer, he was younger and it was his 1st season in La Liga. Barcelona under Robson wasn't very good team and had a quite defensive line-up - with double pivot of Popescu and Guardiola playing most of the time, in front of central defence of Couto/Blanc/Nadal (2 of them). I didn't like they way Barca was playing that season and Real won deservedly a title at that time. Ronaldo, along with Luis Enrique, although he struggled to find a position and De La Pena starting his career, were only bright spots for Barca at that time.
    What about Giovanni? he was immense

    He was okay, he was good, but far away from immense. He also had to split his minutes to De La Pena, because Robson wasn't keen on playing Little Budda as pivot.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção on Mon May 17, 2010 2:51 pm

    stinger wrote:
    EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:
    stinger wrote:As incredible as Messi is right now, Ronaldo scoring all this goals had a much, much tougher task. League was closer, he was younger and it was his 1st season in La Liga. Barcelona under Robson wasn't very good team and had a quite defensive line-up - with double pivot of Popescu and Guardiola playing most of the time, in front of central defence of Couto/Blanc/Nadal (2 of them). I didn't like they way Barca was playing that season and Real won deservedly a title at that time. Ronaldo, along with Luis Enrique, although he struggled to find a position and De La Pena starting his career, were only bright spots for Barca at that time.
    What about Giovanni? he was immense

    He was okay, he was good, but far away from immense. He also had to split his minutes to De La Pena, because Robson wasn't keen on playing Little Budda as pivot.
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    Re: Messi 2010 or Ronaldo 1997?

    Post by Axeslammer on Mon May 17, 2010 2:53 pm

    EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:
    Axeslammer wrote:
    EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:Axe how good was he at PSV?


    Simply incredible.

    There's only been one better, but I think he was older when he came to Holland.

    (I'm talking about Romario of course)
    Ronaldo better all round but in terms of the penalty box Romario is the king,Aguero reminds me of Romario apart from the finishing skills.


    Axe is it too true Romario never trained and was always out nights before games but he will still score on and off the pitch? Laugh ok


    That's the talk indeed.

    "if Romario scored a girl in the night before the match, he'd score in the game too"

    Stan Valckx was Romario's partner in crime, they'd go clubbing and pubbing together : Romario looking to score girls, Valckx scoring at least 10 pints.


    Hiddink was in charge of PSV in those days....and Romario's lack of training activity was becoming a serious threat to the discipline in the group. Hiddink thought long and hard about it and found the following solution :

    He addressed the matter in public and let the team decide :

    * either they would make Romario exempt => so special that he didn't need to do normal training. In exchange for that special status, Romario would be held accountable for his actions by the team and no longer by the manager.

    * or they wouldn't accept a status aparte and Romario would be forced to train like the rest of them


    Of course they opted for the first choice, which as a side effect knitted the players more into a team than they had been before.


    Football was ace in those days Ale
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