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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:09 pm

What about Northern Europe vs. Southern Europe? England let us down as usual, but Holland and Germany doing their bit.

But enough of that, let's unite for the real cause.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by mongrel hawk on Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:04 pm

I guess this year I'll have to see Europe winning 3 consecutive WCs for the first time.  No 
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:09 pm

Don't make the same mistake as four years ago, when you and Puro were prematurely celebrating South America's "dominance", before the tournament really started. It's still early days, the tournament really starts in the knockout-out stages.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by mongrel hawk on Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:18 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Don't make the same mistake as four years ago, when you and Puro were prematurely celebrating South America's "dominance", before the tournament really started. It's still early days, the tournament really starts in the knockout-out stages.

Maybe so, Blut. Maybe so.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Hlebagone on Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:52 pm

Can understand the pessimism, but on current brief evidence, it does not appear that the best european teams have struck a brilliant balance yet. Germany won convincingly, but were consistently leaving space between the midfield and defence. A better team will be able to take advantage of this.

Spain is pretty self explanatory, and after that, there's a noticeable drop off in terms of talent, even if France, Holland and Italy appear to be functioning teams.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Effenberg on Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:58 pm

Hlebagone wrote:Can understand the pessimism, but on current brief evidence, it does not appear that the best european teams have struck a brilliant balance yet. Germany won convincingly, but were consistently leaving space between the midfield and defence. A better team will be able to take advantage of this.

Spain is pretty self explanatory, and after that, there's a noticeable drop off in terms of talent, even if France, Holland and Italy appear to be functioning teams.

A. Guess who else noticed? The German players/coaches.

B. They played Honduras.

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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Formerly known as sheva7 on Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:35 am

blutgraetsche wrote:Don't make the same mistake as four years ago, when you and Puro were prematurely celebrating South America's "dominance", before the tournament really started. It's still early days, the tournament really starts in the knockout-out stages.

Exactly. It is too soon to jump to conclusions. The most important thing is to peak at the right time.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:33 am

Going by Urs Siegenthaler's (Löw's influential tactical advisor) comments in recent interviews, the space left between defence, midfield and attack may have been intentional to a certain degree, at least in the rather brutal conditions of Salvador at noon. Siegenthaler explained how Brazil won the Confed Cup last year with a formation that very much looked like a classic Brazilian 4-2-4, with attackers and defenders (more or less) staying where they are, Neymar and co waiting for the ball to score, won back by a compact midfield and defence. "Archaic" in tactical terms, but probably effective in this WC. Both Germany and Holland showed elements of this approach in their matches, for example.

I personally think that being tactically flexible is most important, as the weather conditions are very different, depending on your location. In the relatively cool South, it may even make sense to play a modern pressing game.

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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by 110% on Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:41 am

What do people think of the non-European teams stinking up the tournament with their 0-0 draws?  tongue 
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Antarion on Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:15 pm

Do you all think the gap between South America and Europe is widening or pretty constant with the obvious ups and downs?

Like it is with the national leagues, which become more and more unbalanced with the ongoing professionalism of football? Or is it not really possible, because the good players from SA can still play in the top leagues of europe


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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by ERIK LAMELA on Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:56 pm

MES AMIS
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by mongrel hawk on Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:12 pm

4-1? Is that right?  Very Happy 
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Rosicky on Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:17 pm

The only thing which matters is who wins the cup.

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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by debaser on Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:21 pm

certainly first blood to South America. long way to go before we know the overall winner.

England-Uruguay is the next big one. loser is out.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Fey on Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:29 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:4-1? Is that right?  Very Happy 

Yes...last time it was 3-1 in the groupstages but it ended in 3-6..

So Europe, again, needs a massive comeback.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by mongrel hawk on Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:32 pm

Rosicky wrote:The only thing which matters is who wins the cup.


You're right. And then I remember you're now ahead of South America for the first time since 1954, thanks to the Spanish accident of the last WC.  Wink 
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by mongrel hawk on Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:37 pm

debaser wrote:certainly first blood to South America. long way to go before we know the overall winner.

England-Uruguay is the next big one. loser is out.

Tomorrow, here in São Paulo. It will be a rainy day, between 13 and 17 degrees. Very good for the English, eh...  <Ale> 

Oh, don't let your keeper do this again. It's... ridiculous:

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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Axeslammer on Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:40 am

mongrel hawk wrote:
Rosicky wrote:The only thing which matters is who wins the cup.


You're right. And then I remember you're now ahead of South America for the first time since 1954, thanks to the Spanish accident of the last WC.  Wink 

Accident because otherwise the South American Dutch would have won it ?  scratch 
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:29 am

Axeslammer wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:
Rosicky wrote:The only thing which matters is who wins the cup.


You're right. And then I remember you're now ahead of South America for the first time since 1954, thanks to the Spanish accident of the last WC.  Wink 

Accident because otherwise the South American Dutch would have won it ?  scratch 

Accident because it felt almost like Greece. They were the first champions to lose a game and the champions wth the worst attack ever (less goals scored ever). And were very lucky against Paraguay. And had never reached a semis before. That was a dark horse WC.  ok
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:34 pm

5-1
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Fey on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:38 pm

HUMILIATION Sad

Im so sorry to have bumped this thread..Im sure Todo would have forgotten about it.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by ERIK LAMELA on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:41 pm

Domiliation*, Fey.

Domination PLUS humiliation.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:56 pm

Seriously, I don't think Belgium or Croatia are contenders. From Europe, I see Italy, Germany and Holland as real contenders.



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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Fey on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:04 pm

Nah, Holland surviving the group was a miracle. WC is already a succes for them. I would say say Germany, France and Spain would do Europe proud..

France should reach the final again if you look at their cycle.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by mongrel hawk on Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:05 pm

Fey, can we consider Costa Rica a South American team? They are so near!  lol! 
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Fey on Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:07 pm

Hahahahahahaha, I knew you would try that one! But no, though for me it's no biggy considering all ya Latin Americans are the same for me!

If it was Panama, I would have have given it though.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Kimbo on Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:08 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:Fey, can we consider Costa Rica a South American team? They are so near!  lol! 

That's like saying Turkey is European.  Rolling Eyes   scratch 
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:12 pm

Kimbo wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:Fey, can we consider Costa Rica a South American team? They are so near!  lol! 

That's like saying Turkey is European.  Rolling Eyes    scratch 

of course Turkey are European, and so are Israel. And Australia are Asian.
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by mongrel hawk on Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:33 pm

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:Fey, can we consider Costa Rica a South American team? They are so near!  lol! 

That's like saying Turkey is European.  Rolling Eyes    scratch 

of course Turkey are European, and so are Israel. And Australia are Asian.

Alright, folks, let's agree to consider Conmebol vs. Uefa, OK?  <Ale> 
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Re: South America vs. Europe

Post by Axeslammer on Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:25 pm

I'm loving the way South America and Middle America are playing : consider me a convert Smile

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