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Re: AZZURI D'ITALIA

Post by Fey on Thu May 15, 2014 8:31 pm

Yeah Pelle is a hothead..he is such a winner.As for internationals today it was known that the Eritrean national team has been hiding here for the last 2 years. So plus 23 says I Wink
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Post by bluenine on Mon May 19, 2014 8:31 am

How Italy could potentially line up:

3-5-2

Balotelli - Rossi
Montolivo
De Sciglio - Pirlo - De Rossi - Maggio
Chiellini - Bonucci - Barzagli
Buffon

4-3-1-2

Balotelli - Rossi
Montolivo
Motta - Pirlo - De Rossi
De Sciglio - Chiellini - Bonucci - Abate
Buffon
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Re: AZZURI D'ITALIA

Post by Murray on Mon May 19, 2014 3:21 pm

I don't like that 3-5-2, it's more of a 5-3-2
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Re: AZZURI D'ITALIA

Post by bluenine on Sat May 31, 2014 7:38 pm

anyone got a stream for Italy vs Ireland?
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Post by Kimbo on Sat May 31, 2014 8:27 pm

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=262199&part=sports
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Re: AZZURI D'ITALIA

Post by Murray on Sat May 31, 2014 8:28 pm

Did Montolivo break his leg?
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Sat May 31, 2014 10:28 pm

looks like he did. Crap performance from Italy, but it was mainly a B side.

Only Sirigu and Verratti were impressive. Immobile didn't do himself justice. Motta and Aquilani were crap. Bonucci looked a little bit lost. Rossi had limited service but a few nice touches. Cassano made a couple of nice passes when he came on and looks in much better shape (physically).

For the england match, the starting xi should be:

Buffon
Abate Barzagli Chiellini De Sciglio
De Rossi Pirlo Marchisio
Verratti
Balotelli Cassano
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Post by bluenine on Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:41 am

Losing Montolivo is a big blow. Not only was he Azzurri's "false trequartista", he was also the first back up to Pirlo. I don't think Verratti is ready for a trequartista role.

And I hope Rossi recovers, taking Cassano is always going to be a huge risk as he is one player who could disrupt the squad spirit - the main strength of the Azzurri.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:looks like he did. Crap performance from Italy, but it was mainly a B side.

Only Sirigu and Verratti were impressive. Immobile didn't do himself justice. Motta and Aquilani were crap. Bonucci looked a little bit lost. Rossi had limited service but a few nice touches. Cassano made a couple of nice passes when he came on and looks in much better shape (physically).

For the england match, the starting xi should be:

Buffon
Abate Barzagli Chiellini De Sciglio
De Rossi Pirlo Marchisio
Verratti
Balotelli Cassano
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Re: AZZURI D'ITALIA

Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:30 pm

mmm... so Rossi didn't make it. Big blow.
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Post by Murray on Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:35 pm

Goalkeepers:Buffon (Juventus), Perin (Genoa), Sirigu (Paris St. Germain);

Defenders:Abate (Milan), Barzagli (Juventus), Bonucci (Juventus), Chiellini (Juventus), Darmian (Torino), De Sciglio (Milan), Paletta (Parma);

Midfielders:Aquilani (Fiorentina), Candreva (Lazio), De Rossi (Roma), Marchisio (Juventus), Thiago Motta (Paris St. Germain), Parolo (Parma), Pirlo (Juventus), Verratti (Paris St. Germain);

Forwards:Balotelli (Milan), Cassano (Parma), Cerci (Torino), Immobile (Torino), Insigne (Napoli).
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Post by Super Progress on Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:07 am

cheers 
Cassano made it
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Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:51 am

Murray wrote:Goalkeepers:Buffon (Juventus), Perin (Genoa), Sirigu (Paris St. Germain);

Defenders: Abate (Milan), Barzagli (Juventus), Bonucci (Juventus), Chiellini (Juventus), Darmian (Torino), De Sciglio (Milan), Paletta (Parma);

Midfielders: Aquilani (Fiorentina), Candreva (Lazio), De Rossi (Roma), Marchisio (Juventus), Thiago Motta (Paris St. Germain), Parolo (Parma), Pirlo (Juventus), Verratti (Paris St. Germain);

Forwards: Balotelli (Milan), Cassano (Parma), Cerci (Torino), Immobile (Torino), Insigne (Napoli).

No Rossi, No Montolivo. Two key starters already out.

The only big surprise is on the fullbacks. Italy usually go with 4 fullbacks in the squad. Prandelli is backing up Abate & De Sciglio with a multi-functional untested Darmian who played for Italy for the first time last week. No Maggio, no Pasqual. This is bold.

Italy have 10 players in the squad who have played less than a dozen games for the national side.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:18 am

bluenine wrote:
Murray wrote:Goalkeepers:Buffon (Juventus), Perin (Genoa), Sirigu (Paris St. Germain);

Defenders: Abate (Milan), Barzagli (Juventus), Bonucci (Juventus), Chiellini (Juventus), Darmian (Torino), De Sciglio (Milan), Paletta (Parma);

Midfielders: Aquilani (Fiorentina), Candreva (Lazio), De Rossi (Roma), Marchisio (Juventus), Thiago Motta (Paris St. Germain), Parolo (Parma), Pirlo (Juventus), Verratti (Paris St. Germain);

Forwards: Balotelli (Milan), Cassano (Parma), Cerci (Torino), Immobile (Torino), Insigne (Napoli).

No Rossi, No Montolivo. Two key starters already out.

The only big surprise is on the fullbacks. Italy usually go with 4 fullbacks in the squad. Prandelli is backing up Abate & De Sciglio with a multi-functional untested Darmian who played for Italy for the first time last week. No Maggio, no Pasqual. This is bold.

Italy have 10 players in the squad who have played less than a dozen games for the national side.

Judging from past matches, and some previous training sessions, Prandelli seems happy to use Chiellini as a LB. That would explain why he only took 3 fullbacks.
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Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:54 pm

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
bluenine wrote:
Murray wrote:Goalkeepers:Buffon (Juventus), Perin (Genoa), Sirigu (Paris St. Germain);

Defenders: Abate (Milan), Barzagli (Juventus), Bonucci (Juventus), Chiellini (Juventus), Darmian (Torino), De Sciglio (Milan), Paletta (Parma);

Midfielders: Aquilani (Fiorentina), Candreva (Lazio), De Rossi (Roma), Marchisio (Juventus), Thiago Motta (Paris St. Germain), Parolo (Parma), Pirlo (Juventus), Verratti (Paris St. Germain);

Forwards: Balotelli (Milan), Cassano (Parma), Cerci (Torino), Immobile (Torino), Insigne (Napoli).

No Rossi, No Montolivo. Two key starters already out.

The only big surprise is on the fullbacks. Italy usually go with 4 fullbacks in the squad. Prandelli is backing up Abate & De Sciglio with a multi-functional untested Darmian who played for Italy for the first time last week. No Maggio, no Pasqual. This is bold.

Italy have 10 players in the squad who have played less than a dozen games for the national side.

Judging from past matches, and some previous training sessions, Prandelli seems happy to use Chiellini as a LB. That would explain why he only took 3 fullbacks.

Granted, but Darmian and Chiellini are at best defensive fullbacks. Only two recognized FBs, both young, is a bold call.

Not taking Rossi, even with his injury, is a silly one. Specially with Montolivo out, Italy needed someone (even if on the bench) who has some proven class. I would have preferred Rossi over Aquilani, who is so mediocre that he will probably not get any games even if there are injuries. With Rossi, there was a chance that he regains fitness and gives a creative super-sub option.

I am happy with most of the squad, but I would have taken Maggio over Darmian, and Rossi over Aquilani. Just two changes, but important ones. Specially Rossi. HUGE miss for Italy.
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Post by abundance on Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:43 pm

Photos of this year's squad members
http://www.ilpost.it/2014/06/03/figurine-italia-mondiali/

and, perhaps more interesting, of all the blokes that went to the previous 4 WCs:
http://www.ilpost.it/2014/06/02/convocati-nazionale-italiana-mondiali/
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Post by Murray on Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:55 pm

Definitely a mistake not taking Rossi, they could easily risk 1 player out of 23. It is highly unlikely that all 23 of them will play anyway.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:45 am

After naming the final 23-man list, Cesare Prandelli held a press conference. He started by discussing the exclusion of Giuseppe Rossi and Pepito’s reaction:“I didn’t expect such reaction, without giving any judgment I’m forced to clarify what happened. I met with Giuseppe Rossi at Coverciano on May 7, before naming the 30 players. I wanted to warn him that he played few minutes and that the recovery times weren’t respected on the pitch, he played few minutes in the Coppa Italia final. I intended to tell him that he wasn’t among the 30 players. Then I realized that his call up could be a strong message, therefore I decided to include him in the 30, despite explaining him that he wouldn’t be in the 23. I told him that it was a painful decision because he is an amazing guy. I repeated few times: Beppe, you are not in the 23. He always worked well, with enthusiasm and will. Everybody knew his role, I’m surprised of this reaction. Before the Ireland game, I told him that on the physical standpoint the values were good but that I wanted to see something more on the pitch, I wanted a striker that played as a striker. I even subbed off Immobile, put him as centre forward but I didn’t see what I wanted to see. It was a big risk that I didn’t feel like doing it, it would have been too easy to call him up, everybody would have been happy. It’s clear that afterwards you are surprised to see some reactions”

Destro’s situation?“Serie A gave some verdicts and I didn’t want to bring three striker and considering Rossi’s situation I asked him if he was willing to be the reserve and he told me: ‘I will think about it’. After that, (the assistant) Pin and I talked with Mattia telling him that he was and would have been important, but we had to make some choices. I picked Insigne over him. I asked him if he had something to add and he said ‘no’. I don’t want to give judgments, but just clarify the situation. Since we had made a choice, I moved forward with that. I had already chosen the 23 in my mind. When I asked for the availability to be the reserves, three of them said yes and now they are in the 23”

Tomorrow Italy will play a friendly against Luxembourg, Prandelli weighed in on the lineup:“We have to evaluate Barzagli. We’ll have Abate, possibly Barzagli, Chiellini, De Sciglio, De Rossi, Pirlo, Verratti, Candreva, Marchisio. Balotelli is very well. He’s a little fatigued because of the work. He never worked so hard and he has never been so well. I always said that Cassano is a player that can speed up the play” Montolivo?“A heavy absence, he reached an incredible tactical maturity” He made some important revelation on Romulo too:“We looked at each other and asked what was happening. The results weren’t brilliant and we told him that. He started to cry and told us that he couldn’t steal a spot from a teammate”
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Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:18 am

Yo Kroos, you will be happy to know that your man Immobile scored a hatrick for Italy in a friendly against Fluminense, and also had 2 assists. While it was more like a training session than a game, but looks like Balotelli has competition for the Azzurri starting role.

This is what I was talking about, Immobile works so well with both Insigne and Cerci so its good to have all three in the squad (plus Verratti). It could be a good plan B for Prandelli even if none of them have enough Intl experience, and its definitely something to build the future on.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:51 pm

Italy tested out their probable starting XI against England today, including Marco Verratti, Andrea Pirlo and Mario Balotelli.

The Azzurri begin their World Cup campaign on Saturday night in Manaus and have used several different systems in their pre-tournament friendlies.

In today’s training session, the Nazionale tested out a 4-1-3-1-1 tactic with Daniele De Rossi as the buffer between defence and midfield.

Paris Saint-Germain starlet Verratti has recovered from a bout of flu, so took part in the session alongside Pirlo and Claudio Marchisio.

England have been very clear that they wish to man-mark Pirlo, so Cesare Prandelli is throwing Verratti in there too in order to give different options.

Lazio attacking midfielder Antonio Candreva took the role supporting lone centre-forward Balotelli.

There had been suggestions Ciro Immobile could push his way into the starting XI after bagging a hat-trick in the 5-3 win over Fluminense on Sunday evening, but Coach Cesare Prandelli stated he’d only pair him with Balo if “forced” to do so.

Antonio Cassano is another figure who is more likely to come on as a substitute in the final 30 minutes than start in the sweltering heat and humidity of Manaus.

At the back, Torino right-back Matteo Darmian appears to have done enough in friendlies to prove he is ready for his first competitive Italy start.

Milan’s Mattia De Sciglio moves to the left with Juventus pair Giorgio Chiellini and Andrea Barzagli in the centre.

If Barzagli’s Achilles tendon and muscular problems flare up again, then his Juve teammate Leonardo Bonucci would step in.

Probable Italy line-up: Buffon; Darmian, Barzagli, Chiellini, De Sciglio; De Rossi; Verratti, Pirlo, Marchisio; Candreva; Balotelli

tbh i don't think Candreva is creative enough for that support role, but with Montolivo out, the only options are him and Aquilani (who is crap).

He should just start Cassano. Apart from Pirlo, he is the most talented player in the squad.

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Post by 110% on Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:02 am

bluenine wrote:Losing Montolivo is a big blow. Not only was he Azzurri's "false trequartista", he was also the first back up to Pirlo. I don't think Verratti is ready for a trequartista role.

And I hope Rossi recovers, taking Cassano is always going to be a huge risk as he is one player who could disrupt the squad spirit - the main strength of the Azzurri.  

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:looks like he did. Crap performance from Italy, but it was mainly a B side.

Only Sirigu and Verratti were impressive. Immobile didn't do himself justice. Motta and Aquilani were crap. Bonucci looked a little bit lost. Rossi had limited service but a few nice touches. Cassano made a couple of nice passes when he came on and looks in much better shape (physically).

For the england match, the starting xi should be:

Buffon
Abate Barzagli Chiellini De Sciglio
De Rossi Pirlo Marchisio
Verratti
Balotelli Cassano

Di Sciglio is injured, so who is going to get raped by sterling (if Hodgson has the balls to play him)?
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:30 am

I think Chiellini will shift to left back.

This was the risk of not taking Pasqual or Criscito.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:18 pm

i wonder if Balotelli will play. I seem to remember that he is allergic to the green spray paint used on football pitches.
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Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:06 pm

No Montolivo, no Rossi, no Di Sciglio, and no Buffon. That game against England was a demonstration of strength in depth, tactical intelligence, and clinical passing.

Italy's 93.2% passing accuracy was the highest recorded by any team in a world cup game ever. Pirlo successfully completed 108 of his 117 passes. Impressive stuff.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:27 pm

Italy were good, especially tactically. Smart and "efficient" in the sauna of Manaus, not wasting energy and being more intelligent in their game approach. It wasn't a vintage game though, far from it, the stats don't tell the whole story. They didn't create many clear cut chances, their defence looked suspicious numerous times. However, their truly strong midfield made the difference and kept England at bay for most of the match.

You can't really expect champagne football under those conditions though. Plus, it's important to peak at the right time. All things considered, Italy started well.

As I wrote earlier, I can see them going far in this tournament because they are one of the few teams that are tactically flexible, can change formations and even the philosophy "seamlessly" during a match. Plus, they are able to change the tempo, they are not a "one pace" team like Chile is, for example. All these factors are important in Brazil.
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Post by Kimbo on Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:31 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Italy were good, especially tactically. Smart and "efficient" in the sauna of Manaus, not wasting energy and being more intelligent in their game approach. It wasn't a vintage game though, far from it, the stats don't tell the whole story. They didn't create many clear cut chances, their defence looked suspicious numerous times. However, their truly strong midfield made the difference and kept England at bay for most of the match.

You can't really expect champagne football under those conditions though. Plus, it's important to peak at the right time. All things considered, Italy started well.

As I wrote earlier, I can see them going far in this tournament because they are one of the few teams that are tactically flexible, can change formations and even the philosophy "seamlessly" during a match. Plus, they are able to change the tempo, they are not a "one pace" team like Chile is, for example. All these factors are important in Brazil.

The difference between the 2 teams was finishing, Italy looked just as vulnerable as England defensively and could easily have lost the match. All this talk of them "always finding a way" is annoying me.
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Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:33 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Italy were good, especially tactically. Smart and "efficient" in the sauna of Manaus, not wasting energy and being more intelligent in their game approach. It wasn't a vintage game though, far from it, the stats don't tell the whole story. They didn't create many clear cut chances, their defence looked suspicious numerous times. However, their truly strong midfield made the difference and kept England at bay for most of the match.

You can't really expect champagne football under those conditions though. Plus, it's important to peak at the right time. All things considered, Italy started well.

As I wrote earlier, I can see them going far in this tournament because they are one of the few teams that are tactically flexible, can change formations and even the philosophy "seamlessly" during a match. Plus, they are able to change the tempo, they are not a "one pace" team like Chile is, for example. All these factors are important in Brazil.

Agreed. Tactical flexibility and strong midfield are Italy's biggest strengths. Defense and lack of attacking creativity are weaknesses.

I do hope Prandelli has learnt from the Euro final debacle though - against a team who are better at possession football, Italy needs to play counter attack, not try and beat them at possession. The last 30 minutes against England were encouraging in that respect, it showed that Prandelli finally has the courage to let the other team keep possession when it suits Italy... its a small but key point in Prandelli's tactical evolution as a coach.
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Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:39 pm

Kimbo wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Italy were good, especially tactically. Smart and "efficient" in the sauna of Manaus, not wasting energy and being more intelligent in their game approach. It wasn't a vintage game though, far from it, the stats don't tell the whole story. They didn't create many clear cut chances, their defence looked suspicious numerous times. However, their truly strong midfield made the difference and kept England at bay for most of the match.

You can't really expect champagne football under those conditions though. Plus, it's important to peak at the right time. All things considered, Italy started well.

As I wrote earlier, I can see them going far in this tournament because they are one of the few teams that are tactically flexible, can change formations and even the philosophy "seamlessly" during a match. Plus, they are able to change the tempo, they are not a "one pace" team like Chile is, for example. All these factors are important in Brazil.

The difference between the 2 teams was finishing, Italy looked just as vulnerable as England defensively and could easily have lost the match. All this talk of them "always finding a way" is annoying me.

I thought Italy looked even more vulnerable in defense than England. Paletta was woeful, and Chiellini as LB was a walking disaster. Only Darmian came out of that game looking good, and most of his good work was in building attacks rather than defending. Italy has Sirigu to thank for in keeping that scoreline.

Like blut said, Italy outsmarted England tactically - specially in keeping the fullbacks in check. England would have had Italy on the ropes if their fullbacks had exploited width in attack. Anyways, these are early days yet... after the first games, I do expect both Italy and England to make it through this group.
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Post by abundance on Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:12 pm

Kimbo wrote:The difference between the 2 teams was finishing, Italy looked just as vulnerable as England defensively and could easily have lost the match. All this talk of them "always finding a way" is annoying me.

It was more cleverness and inspiration in build-up. With a tad more of it on transitions, you wouldn't have needed any finishing effort to bomb a couple more past us, like you did on the equalizer.

It's depressing because I really like the way we play this year but I'm scared shitless by our defence rooster.
We'll spend our whole world cup just one injury or suspension away from fielding a Serie B level backline.

Prandelli is infuriating, I really like his ideas and playstyle in general but man he just makes dumb mistakes in selection.
He can't pick, he can't field, he can't sub. Scary.

Even tho, to give credit where is due, with Candreva and Darmian at least he's being proven right so far.
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Post by Super Progress on Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:32 pm

bluenine wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Italy were good, especially tactically. Smart and "efficient" in the sauna of Manaus, not wasting energy and being more intelligent in their game approach. It wasn't a vintage game though, far from it, the stats don't tell the whole story. They didn't create many clear cut chances, their defence looked suspicious numerous times. However, their truly strong midfield made the difference and kept England at bay for most of the match.

You can't really expect champagne football under those conditions though. Plus, it's important to peak at the right time. All things considered, Italy started well.

As I wrote earlier, I can see them going far in this tournament because they are one of the few teams that are tactically flexible, can change formations and even the philosophy "seamlessly" during a match. Plus, they are able to change the tempo, they are not a "one pace" team like Chile is, for example. All these factors are important in Brazil.

Agreed. Tactical flexibility and strong midfield are Italy's biggest strengths. Defense and lack of attacking creativity are weaknesses.

I do hope Prandelli has learnt from the Euro final debacle though - against a team who are better at possession football, Italy needs to play counter attack, not try and beat them at possession. The last 30 minutes against England were encouraging in that respect, it showed that Prandelli finally has the courage to let the other team keep possession when it suits Italy... its a small but key point in Prandelli's tactical evolution as a coach.  
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I hope he will get more serious as the tournament progresses but at least he willing to shut down when needed which Italy did really well. Of course the humidity played a part in England not being able to create much towards the end so we will see but a really good start for a long campaign.
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Re: AZZURI D'ITALIA

Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:55 pm

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Kimbo wrote:The difference between the 2 teams was finishing, Italy looked just as vulnerable as England defensively and could easily have lost the match. All this talk of them "always finding a way" is annoying me.

It was more cleverness and inspiration in build-up. With a tad more of it on transitions, you wouldn't have needed any finishing effort to bomb a couple more past us,  like you did on the equalizer.

It's depressing because I really like the way we play this year but I'm scared shitless by our defence rooster.
We'll spend our whole world cup just one injury or suspension away from fielding a Serie B level backline.

Prandelli is infuriating, I really like his ideas and playstyle in general but man he just makes dumb mistakes in selection.
He can't pick, he can't field, he can't sub. Scary.

Even tho, to give credit where is due, with Candreva and Darmian at least he's being proven right so far.

Yup, fair play to him. I would have had Candreva on the bench, and left Darmian back home in Italy if it were up to me.

That said, it is annoying to see Italy have no back up for De Sciglio which is criminal considering he is just a kid. What does Aquilani add to the squad, really? A complete waste of a spot.

I had given Prandelli the benefit of doubt in selecting Paletta over Ranocchia, but that one backfired spectacularly. The frog may be inconsistent, but Paletta was woeful.

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