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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by COTR on Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:09 pm

kas wrote:
Hlebagone wrote:What about run outs in cricket? Just as difficult/easy to call, but hasnt created any controversy.

Besides, it could hardly create more controversy than it does at the moment.

Not really. There's a white line. You've either crossed it or not. And if there's doubt, batsman wins. The rules are clear.


What do you do about a foul in the box? This isn't American football, where a foul is clearly defined in the rules.

Firstly there is nothing stopping goal line technology. There is no excuse at all for it not being implemented despite your rather ridiculous comments about smaller leagues.

Introducing a video ref is a totally different debate and should be treated as such. I don't think football needs a video ref but it sure as hell needs goal line technology.
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Hlebagone on Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:09 pm

Ale to Cotr. I thought that point was obvious in this discussion, but apparently not.
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by fcb on Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:13 pm

Ok, let's focus on goal line technology. I admit I got a bit sidetracked and took the "slippery slope" line of argument.

How do you implement it? The human-free method of putting a chip in the ball hasn't worked.

This kind of thing happens maybe four or five times a season in the top leagues or big games, which is all we're talking about here.

When does it become cost effective to implement a system that is required 5 times out of hundreds of games? Do you sit a guy in a video room for every game in every top league in case he may be required?

I'd rather FIFA spend 10 million or whatever on building an academy somewhere. Maybe the English FA should do that as well?

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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by L r dd on Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:14 pm

kas wrote:Ok, let's focus on goal line technology. I admit I got a bit sidetracked and took the "slippery slope" line of argument.

How do you implement it? The human-free method of putting a chip in the ball hasn't worked.

This kind of thing happens maybe four or five times a season in the top leagues or big games, which is all we're talking about here.

When does it become cost effective to implement a system that is required 5 times out of hundreds of games? Do you sit a guy in a video room for every game in every top league in case he may be required?

I'd rather FIFA spend 10 million or whatever on building an academy somewhere. Maybe the English FA should do that as well?

What the fuck. You have a 4th official on the touchline with tv's avaliable to him. If the situation occurs it takes 10 seconds to look at the replay. You don't need all these millions spent.
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Hlebagone on Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:15 pm

You're guessing numbers here. If Rugby and Cricket can implement in, who run on turnovers fractions of that of Football, then i don't imagine it will be an issue.

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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Dwarf on Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:17 pm

kas wrote:
Trust me, this isn't as easy as it sounds. First off, as FIFA have rightly pointed out in the past, this is a different issue to tennis, where a computer and not a human makes the decision. Ok, the goal-line stuff can be done automatically, but not the grey situations I've pointed out above.

In football, technology would just mean another human making a decision. Different refs interpret situations in different ways...if you had a "video ref" constantly overriding what the ref on the pitch decides, what does that do for his authority? How do you sort out the confusion over who has the right to make a final decision? Players who have a decision go against them will appeal everything.

Look, I'm not denying there's inertia on FIFA's part in not allowing technology into the game, but surely if their experiments (and there have been a lot, they even tried one where there would be a camera off the pitch next to the 4th official, and the ref could go over and have a look) proved conclusive some steps would have been taken by now? It's not Blatter and his cronies trying to conjure up some conspiracy.

Then just put in a clause that a decision can only be overturned if it's beyond reasonable doubt otherwise play continues.

Football calls don't need 15 different replays to find the exact camera angle like other major team sports do, if it's worth overturning you'll see the correct angle within 3 replays at most which will take 15s at worst.
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by COTR on Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:20 pm

L r dd wrote:
kas wrote:Ok, let's focus on goal line technology. I admit I got a bit sidetracked and took the "slippery slope" line of argument.

How do you implement it? The human-free method of putting a chip in the ball hasn't worked.

This kind of thing happens maybe four or five times a season in the top leagues or big games, which is all we're talking about here.

When does it become cost effective to implement a system that is required 5 times out of hundreds of games? Do you sit a guy in a video room for every game in every top league in case he may be required?

I'd rather FIFA spend 10 million or whatever on building an academy somewhere. Maybe the English FA should do that as well?

What the fuck. You have a 4th official on the touchline with tv's avaliable to him. If the situation occurs it takes 10 seconds to look at the replay. You don't need all these millions spent.

There already is a sub ref anyway. Just let him glance at a replay for one second and the next thing you know England will be winning the world cup

The cost is minimal Kas. It would barely register on the operating budgets of any of the major organisations.
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Khadrim on Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:36 pm

The extra officials would have seen it so this talk of goal line technology is rubbish. There is a solution being implemented already just wasn't done for this world cup. The linesman should've seen it any way.
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Historicus on Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:09 pm

Talking about the cost as a limiting factor is RIDICULOUS. "Goal line technology" = two cameras per goal, one on each side, some cabling, and a monitor. That's it. $1000 per stadium, maybe.

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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:54 pm

Why don't they just set up a camera level with each goalline and have two tvs next to the 4th official? That'd be simple and efficient, if the 4th official sees the ball go over he can tell the ref.

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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:55 pm

Historicus wrote:Talking about the cost as a limiting factor is RIDICULOUS. "Goal line technology" = two cameras per goal, one on each side, some cabling, and a monitor. That's it. $1000 per stadium, maybe.
Didn't see this post Razz
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:19 am

Leave it. Part of what makes football so enthralling is how relatively simple it is and the controversies that surround it.
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:20 am

That is the shittest argument against this technology.

If all we do is fix the business of whether a goal has actually gone in or not...its not going to stop all the other shit that happens in games.

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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:21 am

Mod fight! Razz
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by fcb on Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:04 am

Historicus wrote:Talking about the cost as a limiting factor is RIDICULOUS. "Goal line technology" = two cameras per goal, one on each side, some cabling, and a monitor. That's it. $1000 per stadium, maybe.

Your cameras will get smashed multiple times each game by Lampard and his "I'm going to have a go with this ball" shooting. They would have to be behind goal (like there already are some) or an overhead one (which only a few stadiums have). Not sure about cabling either...under the pitch or all around the touchline? Where will the TV on the sideline get its feed from - more cabling?


Maybe there really is some simple solution to all this, but I'm not convinced that it's as easy as we are all making it out to be from the outside looking in. There are probably a lot of small things which we don't know about which complicates implementing such technology.

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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Dwarf on Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:28 am

kas wrote:
Your cameras will get smashed multiple times each game by Lampard and his "I'm going to have a go with this ball" shooting.

Try having a puck hit a camera inside a goal at 90mph, Ice Hockey manages to cope.
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:41 am

borocooper wrote:That is the shittest argument against this technology.

If all we do is fix the business of whether a goal has actually gone in or not...its not going to stop all the other shit that happens in games.

It doesn't stop goals being scored when there's an offside/infringements committed by attacking players though, does it? Where does it stop, do we get a gay challenge system like on the tennis show courts?

Roy Carroll/Pedro Mendes still gripes me, so it's not like I'm talking having never been hurt by it.

Human error by players/managers/officials... deep down I love it as an unpredictable element, without controversy, where's the back story?
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:42 am

Exactly..it doesnt stop offside moments and infringements. So we'll still have controversy..but at least when a perfectly good goal is ruled out, it would be checked.

Saying it takes the controversy out of the game so the game would be bad, is like saying Alan Smith was a good player because he was a nutter. "Take the hot head out of Smith and you take the good player out of Smith". The same that gets said for Rooney now. When in fact...it makes no odds. They're either shit or they're not.
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by gone on Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:05 am

Big 4 Billy Bollocks wrote:
borocooper wrote:That is the shittest argument against this technology.

If all we do is fix the business of whether a goal has actually gone in or not...its not going to stop all the other shit that happens in games.

It doesn't stop goals being scored when there's an offside/infringements committed by attacking players though, does it? Where does it stop, do we get a gay challenge system like on the tennis show courts?

Roy Carroll/Pedro Mendes still gripes me, so it's not like I'm talking having never been hurt by it.

Human error by players/managers/officials... deep down I love it as an unpredictable element, without controversy, where's the back story?

How about the not gay system that they have in rugby?
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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by debaser on Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:53 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_3/9430899.stm

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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by  on Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:58 pm

FIFA has been notoriously slow to come up with new rules or introduce changes

see "chip in the ball technology"

additional refs

video evidence ....

well

I just discovered who the members of IFAB are

and it clearly stinks to HIGH HEAVEN

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Football_Association_Board

Grr

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Re: Goal-line technology

Post by 110% on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:18 pm

It is here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18732237

People talk about pep and barcelona changing the face of football, but so has Frank Lampard Wink

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