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there is no league like the BundesLEAGUE

Post by  on Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:05 pm

think about it

a quick look at the current table after 10 games

WHAT a Bundesliga SEASON Yikes cheers

EASILY the most exciting LEAGUE in the World



1. Dortmund: ZERO BUDGET YOUTH TEAM

2. Mainz: traditional relagation/2nd league team

3. Hoffenheim: VILLAGE team

4. Leverkusen: THE MOST GERMAN team

5. Frankfurt: grey mouse

6. Hannover: arguably THE GREYEST MOUSE of the league

7. FC van Gaal or FC Grosskotz: should lead by 10 points already

8. Holland Sportsverein, who should contend for the title

9. Nrnberg: who should fight against relegation but like German talents

10. Freiburg: see above WITHOUT the German talents (the club I hate the most)

11. Bremen: should play for the title (but have Schaaf/Allofs in charge)

12. McLaren's VW Wolsburg: could play for the title just like 1 1/2 years ago but are run by a Brit

13. St. Pauli: just promoted (THE OTHER most German team); ICONIC SKULLS; their VIP box is the FUNNIEST in the WORLD

14. Kaiserslautern: the German West Ham (mit dem geilsten Stadion)


15. Cologne

RELEGATION ZONE

16. recent Bundesliga champs Stuttgart and current Europa League contenders

17. last season's RUNNER-UP Schalke and the next CL winner

18. Gladbach: THE Bundesliga club of the 70s

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probably the only league in the world where EVERY team can beat EVERY team

Ruud Nistelrooy said in an interview that in La Liga and the EPL the TOP, TOP clubs would expect to win virtually EVERY HOME game

in the BUndesliga

HOWEVER

EVERY SINGLE GAME , at HOME or AWAY , was like a Cup FINAL

van Qual learns this the hard way now

within 3 years the Bundesliga will EASILY be the BEST league in the world

within 5 years THAT will also be the UNDISPUTED opinion in the Anglo-Saxon World

<Ale> Biggrin Yikes Bubbly

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Post by COTR on Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:09 pm

Your little protege got there way before you on this one Otto

Mini Otto has been banging this particular drum for weeks


Funny to see the Raul / Huntelaar effect in all it's glory though Smile

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Post by Glenarch of the Glen on Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:14 pm

Congratulations Ale

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:20 pm

Did Kln not merit a comment?

I suppose you could turn your comments around and suggest a league with a village team, a few teams who usually serve up dross and a pharmaceutical company's Werkself - oh, and with one real big club in there - leading the way is some way short of being the best league in the world. I did enjoy the Dortmund match earlier though, so I'll be a bit more positive than that.
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Post by  on Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:24 pm

COTR wrote:Your little protege got there way before you on this one Otto

Mini Otto has been banging this particular drum for weeks


Funny to see the Raul / Huntelaar effect in all it's glory though Smile

that's the whole point

you can load up with stars and still fight for survival in the Bundesliga

NAMES count for NOTHING in the German league

cheers
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Post by  on Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:31 pm

Sheffield gunner wrote:Did Kln not merit a comment?

I suppose you could turn your comments around and suggest a league with a village team, a few teams who usually serve up dross and a pharmaceutical company's Werkself - oh, and with one real big club in there - leading the way is some way short of being the best league in the world. I did enjoy the Dortmund match earlier though, so I'll be a bit more positive than that.

Kln TOGETHER with Frankfurt are the TEAMS I want to win the league more than anybody else

<Ale>

BOTH have FANTASTIC FANS

and according to a poll on Stadionwelt, the two best stadia in Germany

<Ale> Whistle

SOLDO was a TOTAL FLOP at COlogne though

and Meier, the CEO , is USELESS at buying players as well

I feel sorry for Poldi

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and let's hope that Schalke don't lose it and SACK MAGATH

they need to stay calm now and will EVENTUALLY win the title with him

Ale





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Post by Sheffield gunner on Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:44 pm

wrote:

and let's hope that Schalke don't lose it and SACK MAGATH

they need to stay clam now and will EVENTUALLY win the title with him

Ale


I'm not sure winning the 2. Bundesliga in a couple of years is what they have in mind.
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Have you been impressed by the Bundesliga this season?

Dortmund have been great to watch, and Mainz are doing well (although they will surely run out of steam sooner rather than later). Leverkusen and Hoffenheim have had a couple of decent match as well I suppose, but most teams have been very disappointing.

I don't believe the likes of Hannover and Frankfurt are high up the table because they have been impressive, but rather that the teams you would expect to do well are underperforming (Bayern, HSV, Bremen, Schalke, Wolfsburg, Stuttgart). I don't think the mixed-up nature of the league has been because of the strength of the lesser teams, but because of the mediocre nature of the traditional big teams.
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Post by  on Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:13 pm

yes and no, sheffield

in general, you are too NEGATIVE

and too obsessed with BIG NAMES

ie

you apply your EPL/La Liga/Seria A thinking to the Bundesliga and end up being disappointed

Dortmund and Mainz are where they are because they have been the BEST SO FAR

and yes, Mainz, surely cannot keep this up forever

and yes, the BIG BOYS have slipped

BUT

if Chelsea/ManU slip up in the EPL, would Fulham and Southampton overtake them ?!

me thinks NOT

I have been banging on about this for ages in the PAST

the most important aspect of winning is NOT the quality of the team or indeed the brilliance of the tactics employed

BUT

PSYCHOLOGY

stuff like CONFIDENCE

in the Bundesliga you now have a "levelling-off" effect in terms of confidence

the "smaller" teams start to believe the big boys are BEATABLE

first Klinsi and now van Gaal have destroyed the Bayern mystique, for instance

Schaaf has destroyed the Werder brand (which he helped to built together with Rehagel)

Veh failed to built on the Magath momentum at Wolfsburg

EVERYBODY knows that Stuttgart start badly into every season only to reboot in the second part under a new coach

Bayer and Schalke NEVER win anything...

in the END, the Bundesliga works on MOMENTUM, unlike any other BIG league

it's almost like a F1 GP at Monaco

you have a good start, maybe even just a lucky one, you can stay ahead and build steam

do NOT mistake that for a general WEAKNESS though

the DOWNSIDE of this "everybody can beat everybody"-effect is that German teams (other than Bayern) will ALWAYS find it difficult to become European GIANTS

simply because no team other than Bayern plays in the CL year after year after year, building up the experience so needed at this level

in other words: in Europe, Bundesliga teams will ALWAYS look worse than they really are

still, Bundesliga fans will not really mind

the Liga is just too exciting as it is

so who cares ?! cheers




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Re: there is no league like the BundesLEAGUE

Post by A & K on Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:38 am

Dunno if that is good to be honest, that little teams beat big teams or play champions league games. La ligue 1 is very similar to that:

1. Brest (freshly promoted)
2. Rennes
3. Marseille
4. St Etienne (usually battle for the 15th posisiton)
5. Toulouse (middle table team)
6. Montpellier
7. P.S.G
8. Lille
9. Lyon
....
13.Bordeaux
19. Monaco (they said they wanted to play C.L games next year, a bit like Schalke this year).

So what does that tells us?

- The big teams are under achieving
- Little teams might get C.L next year and get trashed
- It's difficult for some teams to confirm or to be up front while playing C.L games and league games.
- Not good for european coefficients
- Good for entertainment
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Post by Chocolate Thunder on Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:43 am

We need more threads concerning the DIE BUNDESLIGA!!!!!!!!! ... and all things Germans because there aren't enough on EMB IMHO!
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Post by Ricardo Jol on Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:01 am

And at the end of the day der record meister wins it. There is no league in the world where only one team dominates the league at his own for about 100 years...

T.G.

wrote:think about it

a quick look at the current table after 10 games

WHAT a Bundesliga SEASON Yikes cheers

EASILY the most exciting LEAGUE in the World



1. Dortmund: ZERO BUDGET YOUTH TEAM

2. Mainz: traditional relagation/2nd league team

3. Hoffenheim: VILLAGE team

4. Leverkusen: THE MOST GERMAN team

5. Frankfurt: grey mouse

6. Hannover: arguably THE GREYEST MOUSE of the league

7. FC van Gaal or FC Grosskotz: should lead by 10 points already

8. Holland Sportsverein, who should contend for the title

9. Nrnberg: who should fight against relegation but like German talents

10. Freiburg: see above WITHOUT the German talents (the club I hate the most)

11. Bremen: should play for the title (but have Schaaf/Allofs in charge)

12. McLaren's VW Wolsburg: could play for the title just like 1 1/2 years ago but are run by a Brit

13. St. Pauli: just promoted (THE OTHER most German team); ICONIC SKULLS; their VIP box is the FUNNIEST in the WORLD

14. Kaiserslautern: the German West Ham (mit dem geilsten Stadion)


15. Cologne

RELEGATION ZONE

16. recent Bundesliga champs Stuttgart and current Europa League contenders

17. last season's RUNNER-UP Schalke and the next CL winner

18. Gladbach: THE Bundesliga club of the 70s

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probably the only league in the world where EVERY team can beat EVERY team

Ruud Nistelrooy said in an interview that in La Liga and the EPL the TOP, TOP clubs would expect to win virtually EVERY HOME game

in the BUndesliga

HOWEVER

EVERY SINGLE GAME , at HOME or AWAY , was like a Cup FINAL

van Qual learns this the hard way now

within 3 years the Bundesliga will EASILY be the BEST league in the world

within 5 years THAT will also be the UNDISPUTED opinion in the Anglo-Saxon World

<Ale> Biggrin Yikes Bubbly

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Post by  on Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:54 am

Alive and Kicking wrote:Dunno if that is good to be honest, that little teams beat big teams or play champions league games. La ligue 1 is very similar to that:

1. Brest (freshly promoted)
2. Rennes
3. Marseille
4. St Etienne (usually battle for the 15th posisiton)
5. Toulouse (middle table team)
6. Montpellier
7. P.S.G
8. Lille
9. Lyon
....
13.Bordeaux
19. Monaco (they said they wanted to play C.L games next year, a bit like Schalke this year).

So what does that tells us?

- Little teams might get C.L next year and get trashed
- It's difficult for some teams to confirm or to be up front while playing C.L games and league games.

agree

that is the downside

it's also THE key weakness of the BUndesliga in terms of global perception

the same applies to the French league, of course

it's the PR-achillis heel of the Bundesliga

people/fans need STARS/TOP teams that stay at the top ALL or at least MOST of the time

women's tennis is a PR-desaster , for instance, because the number one seems to change every month between non-descript Russians

you need TITANIC battles between GIANTS

Sampras vs Federer

Federer vs Nadal; McEnroe vs Borg ; McEnroe vs Conners ....

Murray vs Kohlschreiber bores everyone to death

THAT is also the strength of the EPL

you have ManU, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool (with ManCity, Spurs knocking on the door)

every weekend produces at least one CLASH of the TITANS and you just HAVE to know the result/watch it

the Bundesliga will NEVER get to that point, because the overall standard is FAR MORE EVEN

which means , EVERY TEAM can beat ANY OTHER TEAM

ie

Bundesliga fans have 9 CRACKERS EVERY weekend

for NON-Bundesliga-fanatics in Asia/rest of Europe

the weekend ties don't have quite the attraction as the big-boy-clashes in England

Mainz-Dortmund will never sound like ManU-Liverpool

which brings us to ricky's point of Bayern sitting on top , making the league VERY predictable:

this is certainly partly true

it's also changing though

Klinsi/van Gaal did/do their best to destroy the Bayern mystique

AT THE MOMENT, few people outside of Munich are interested in Bayern, for instance

ALL the headlines are about Dortmund/Mainz

and to some extent, Magath's Schalke Whistle

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Post by Effenberg on Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:48 pm

So, Bayern should be leading by 10 points? How? At any given time at least half the team is out injured. We don't even have enough pros to fill up the bench.
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Post by Axeslammer on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:31 pm

Effenberg wrote:How? At any given time at least half the team is out injured.

A clear sign the medical staff is incompetent...

Not surprising with Butcher Wohlfahrt in charge Ale

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:36 pm

wrote:yes and no, sheffield

in general, you are too NEGATIVE

and too obsessed with BIG NAMES

ie

you apply your EPL/La Liga/Seria A thinking to the Bundesliga and end up being disappointed

Dortmund and Mainz are where they are because they have been the BEST SO FAR

and yes, Mainz, surely cannot keep this up forever

and yes, the BIG BOYS have slipped

BUT

if Chelsea/ManU slip up in the EPL, would Fulham and Southampton overtake them ?!

me thinks NOT

I have been banging on about this for ages in the PAST

the most important aspect of winning is NOT the quality of the team or indeed the brilliance of the tactics employed

BUT

PSYCHOLOGY

stuff like CONFIDENCE

in the Bundesliga you now have a "levelling-off" effect in terms of confidence

the "smaller" teams start to believe the big boys are BEATABLE

first Klinsi and now van Gaal have destroyed the Bayern mystique, for instance

Schaaf has destroyed the Werder brand (which he helped to built together with Rehagel)

Veh failed to built on the Magath momentum at Wolfsburg

EVERYBODY knows that Stuttgart start badly into every season only to reboot in the second part under a new coach

Bayer and Schalke NEVER win anything...

in the END, the Bundesliga works on MOMENTUM, unlike any other BIG league

it's almost like a F1 GP at Monaco

you have a good start, maybe even just a lucky one, you can stay ahead and build steam

do NOT mistake that for a general WEAKNESS though

the DOWNSIDE of this "everybody can beat everybody"-effect is that German teams (other than Bayern) will ALWAYS find it difficult to become European GIANTS

simply because no team other than Bayern plays in the CL year after year after year, building up the experience so needed at this level

in other words: in Europe, Bundesliga teams will ALWAYS look worse than they really are

still, Bundesliga fans will not really mind

the Liga is just too exciting as it is

so who cares ?! cheers


Guilty as charged on the first point. Smile

Not sure I can agree with the second one though. It's not a case of thinking that 'big clubs' have a divine right to be at the top no matter what, but simply a belief that some of these clubs have the resources that they should definitely be doing better than they are in the Bundesliga. Chelsea, Man Utd, even Arsenal, simply don't slip up in the way that some of the top German teams have been doing. Obviously they have their tough spells or inconsistent periods, but they still maintain a standard which is competitive or find a way to win through. The closest comparison is with Liverpool so far this season. If the majority of Bundesliga clubs think the top teams are beatable it's because they've allowed them to scent this weakness in a way that the best English clubs don't.

Obviously this includes a bit of generalisation - after all, you can point to West Brom going to the Emirates and winning and getting a draw at Old Trafford, Wigan winning at WHL, or Blackpool winning at Anfield. I just don't feel that the Bundesliga is an open league this season because the general level is improving, but because the top level is weaker and more inconsistent. And whilst this can be spun as a consequence of positive mentalities lower down the league, I think it originates from structural weaknesses or mental deficiencies from the top teams (and don't see this as a positive). I say this because we see the same patterns repeating themselves so often in the league, such as Bayern alternating between dominating the league and then following that up with stuttering performances and internal ego conflicts, Stuttgart habitually losing until after Christmas, Bremen never addressing their defensive inadequacies, or some of the other top teams never being able to take that one final step up when they appear to be well-placed to challenge.

As a neutral I enjoy the attacking nature of the league, and I enjoy how competitive it can be at times - I just don't see that competitiveness coming from a position of strength at the moment.
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Effenberg wrote:So, Bayern should be leading by 10 points? How? At any given time at least half the team is out injured. We don't even have enough pros to fill up the bench.

when key players are missing , it might be an idea to CHANGE the system to make the most of those left

which van Gaal is useless at

as for lack of pros (due to injuries)

THAT is what makes Hoeness so angry

van Gaal wanted to OFFLOAD MOST of those now bailing out van Gaal

Olic, Klose and Robben are injured now

van Gaal wanted to get rid of Gomez in the summer; just like Timo, Ottl, Alintop...

he also REFUSED to sign new players

Hoeness and Co had the contract ready for van der Wiel and others but van Gaal said "NO, I have EVERYBODY I need"

the sad truth is that Hoeness, who I don't really like, SAVED Bayern from TOTAL Dutch misery

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sheffield

your obsession with big boys is easy to understand as long as those big names do well in the CL

if teams like REAL, AC Milan... struggle BIG TIME though, you begin to wonder what it says about the quality of a league if CL-cannon fodder like Real dominates a league at will (together with Barca)

imagine ManU, Arsenal... losing their CL swagger but toying with West Ham and Fulham: what would you make of THAT ?!

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Post by A & K on Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:14 pm

Hey in the ligue 1 the difference between the 2nd and the 17th is only six points. Beat that!
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Post by debaser on Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:27 pm

Not quite as good but PL is only 6pts from 5th to 19th
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Post by  on Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:10 pm

incidentally,

note that the EPL is still WAY AHEAD of the Bundesliga in the global perception game

particularly , in Asia

HOWEVER

and this is a BIG

HOWEVER

the tide could be turning in our favour

note that Dortmund have THE FUTURE of Japanese football in KAGAWA

+

HSV have THE FUTURE of S. Korean football with SON

+

Bochum have THE BIGGEST N.Korean star with TAE-SE JONG (the guy who cried during the World Cup)

and

Dortmund, again, have THE FUTURE of Turkish football in SAHIN

and ANYBODY remember ALLAGUI's dream-goal for Mainz against Bayern ?!

the TUNISIAN is THE FUTURE of TUNISIAN footlball

which

for the purpose of THIS argument

we shall call an Asian country as well

think about it

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Post by Isco Benny on Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:28 pm

wrote:incidentally,

note that the EPL is still WAY AHEAD of the Bundesliga in the global perception game


Just stop you there - the EPL is also, this season at least, WAY AHEAD of the Bundesliga in Europe.

ALL 4 EPL teams leading their groups in the CL

ALL 2 EPL teams leading their groups in the Europa League.

There REALLY is no league quite like the Premier League.

This is what is important to them Asians.

Think about it cheers
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Post by  on Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:18 am

bernd, my good man

the EPL got a headstart in Asia because of very agressive MARKETING

it started with

"the EPL is the MOST EXCITING league in the world"

and ended up with

"the EPL is the BEST league in the WORLD"

and it worked

ALL the other leagues missed the boat

BUT

Asians are also famously fixated on PLAYERS, more so than clubs

which is why the whole Owen/Beckham/CRonaldo... worked so well over there

note

all of this happened in the absence of Asia having superstars of their own

the odd Japanese player at HSV in the past caused HUGE media interest though, with entire delegations of Japanese hacks laying siege to the press conferences

and here's the rub

the German club bosses NEVER understood the potential of Asia

in Hamburg, Frankfurt... they PUBLICLY said that a bunch of Asian journalists would NOT win the club any games, neither did the clubs suddenly become filthy rich

as always, German failed to understand the complexities of MARKETING

still

both Kagawa and Son will put the Bundesliga on the MAP in Japan and S.Korea respectively, because they are both THE FUTURE of their respective countries and WILL BECOME BIG Bundesliga stars in direct competition with players from more illustrious countries

ie

the new Beckham/CRonaldos play at HSV/Dortmund and Asians will realize that Asian BLOOD runs thicker than English water

Ale
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Post by Ricardo Jol on Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:28 am

How come the best team in the Bundesleague goes out in the Euroleague Shocked

How shocking disasterous is that Shocked
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Post by  on Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:55 am

stop this nonsense , ricky/bernd

so far this season, the Bundesliga has notched up more points than any other league in Europe

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/international/1003/Artikel/uefa-fuenfjahreswertung-deutschland-italien-england-spanien-bayern-muenchen-manchester-united-real-madrid-fc-barcelona-inter-mailand.html

including the EPL

Laugh cheers

even if the Bundesliga stopped collecting points ALTOGETHER until May

Seria A would still be VERY unlikely to catch it

ie

FOURTH CL spot is OURS

however

it would help HUGELY, if, against the odds , both Dortmund and Bremen played in the Europa League for a few more months

Dortmund have simply been a tad unlucky so far

Werder are Werder

or rather

Schaaf is Schaaf and needs to get the SACK NOW Grr

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Post by Ricardo Jol on Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:57 am

But that's only because you also have VAN GAAL!!!!!! Ale
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Post by Axeslammer on Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:22 pm

Ricardo Wetzel wrote:But that's only because you also have VAN GAAL!!!!!!

Officially the best manager the Bundesliga has ever had ok
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Post by  on Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:42 pm

ricky/axel

if you like van Gaal so much, or rather, if you rate him so highly

would you also welcome him in charge of Den Haag/Gronigen/Oranje ?

nur EHRLICHE Antworten, bitte

keine hollndischen Lgen

lol!
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Post by Axeslammer on Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:52 pm

wrote:ricky/axel

if you like van Gaal so much, or rather, if you rate him so highly

would you also welcome him in charge of Den Haag/Gronigen/Oranje ?

nur hollndischen Antworten, bitte

keine Lgen

lol!

For Groningen : *immediately* ok

That he's a manager of hors categorie is without doubt, we can live with the rest of his (entertaining) antics.

For Oranje : nope.

Van Gaal is a manager that makes players better, who works towards a team as a unity. In modern international football managers of national teams are just people mangers and not much more, that's not Louis's forte.
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Post by  on Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:49 pm

interesting to see how the Bundesliga is loading up on Japanese

Dortmund already have Kagawa

Schalke have Uchida

Wolfsburg Hasebe

Kln just hired a new sporting director who just worked in the Japanese league and will hire a Japanese international as well

and Stuttgart are also said to sign a Japanese player this winter

I think I missed one or two others

it's probably fair to say that the Bundesliga is now the MOST watched league in Japan

cheers

considering that we have all the top Nederlanders these days (apart from midget), we are probably the MOST WATCHED league in Holland as well

Ale

the same, surely, applies to POLAND

bearing mind all those Poles that now play at Dortmund...

cheers

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Post by Isco Benny on Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:03 pm

Otto old pear:

bluenine is Indian.

He watches Italian Football. He even goes to Inter matches, flying thousands of miles from his London base.

Think about it Ale
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Post by Axeslammer on Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:20 pm

wrote:

considering that we have all the top Nederlanders these days (apart from midget), we are probably the MOST WATCHED league in Holland as well


You *had* the best Dutch player, he's moved on to bigger pastures (La Liga) and is currently playing for the most exciting club in the world (Spurs) : you can keep your BundesLiga Ale

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