right now our non qualfied U21 team humiliates the qualified U21 team of england

technically our midfield raped them all over the way

we are leading 2:0

well fully deserved, they got 1 chance in the whole game, and a red card for the goalkeeper aswell

That's wonderful for you. You do realise Capello is trying out some of the U21s in the France game? I don't think a kickabout with the krauts is a huge a priority.

the same to germany

götze
holtby
schmelzer
schürrle

normally in the U21 team, but right now in the A-team squad for sweden


BUT ze englands had aswell 88` generations included , germany only 90`and younger

that says to me OUR players already miles ahead in younger ages, the englands where completly dominated off the pitch

how many of the German starting XI were born in Germany? I counted at least 6.

well i count 8 or 9


for example gündogan is born in gelsenkirchen, where also özil was born

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/16112010/58/international-football-germany-young-guns-outclass-england-u21s.html

Kroos wrote:the same to germany

götze
holtby
schmelzer
schürrle

Yeah yeah yeah, i'm sure they're decent in their own way, but we're talking about Andy Carroll here.

Andy Carrol would rape all over them, possibly in a far too literal sense.

well his stats speak for him, but i havent seen him play yet

anyway, he wouldn`t have got much support become in this game

I'm sure this wonderful German team will be sitting back with their feet up enjoying the European under 21 championships they failed to qualify for ahead of the likes of Belarus and Iceland and thinking back gloating about this important game

What ya think Ozil ?

There was no doubt that Steele made contact with the striker's feet, but given he had begun to dive long before the contact was made, the red card was a harsh decision.

Cheating in a friendly. And some people here are doubting that the opposition are actually German.

Congratulations on a momentous win Kroos. This one will surely go down in the annals of history. Mind you, scoring just once against a midfielder in goal isn't the greatest boast I can envisage.

COTR wrote:I'm sure this wonderful German team will be sitting back with their feet up enjoying the European under 21 championships they failed to qualify for ahead of the likes of Belarus and Iceland and thinking back gloating about this important game

What ya think Ozil ?

well THIS CURRENT team has nothing to do with the fail team which has not qualfied, its a new generation

but think about this, players like kroos and marin could also play in this team


our strength in depth is out of this world

while players like holtby and götze dominate the bundesliga, they are right now only 2nd tier players for germany

Oh do shut up.

The boy Lansbury done well in goal! Is this a possible option for us...

It was a very unfortunate red card, I agree that it was a poor dive. Germany looked better when it was 11 v 11 but disappointing not to be able to score after that...

It's never nice to lose to Germany, whatever game at whatever level.

I'd certainly rub it in if it were the otherway, so fair play Kroos

HOWEVER, if we're being serious for a moment, this u21 side looks nothing like the strongest one England can put out, given - as already mentioned - the likes of Henderson, Carroll, Gibbs, Wilshere (our best players at this level) were either called up to the senior squad or injured. Perhaps the situation was the same for Germany, but I won't be reading too much into this.

It was in Germany for a start, in the middle of a normal league campaign - can't imagine they were much up for the travel and potential for injury at such a crucial part of the season. We'll have a better barometer of how good this team is in the summer competition, whilst Germany can dine off this victory with their feet up

is that the same germany that got trashed by iceland with 4-1...?

No.

haha

Sammer reports that Pearce + English delegation made a trip to the DFB HQ in Frankfurt the other day

trying to understand what the German youth set-up was getting RIGHT

apparently, they stayed VERY LONG and tried to soak up everything like a sponge



football's coming HOME, I guess

Ä wrote:
apparently, they stayed VERY LONG

They asked the Germans a single question : PANIC broke out at German HQ, they thought long and hard about an answer.....but in the end had to admit they had NONE.


What was the question you ask ?

How should a country style it's youth program if you *can't* naturalize 3 foreigners into your national team per annum...

You're an idiot

Ä wrote:haha

Sammer reports that Pearce + English delegation made a trip to the DFB HQ in Frankfurt the other day

trying to understand what the German youth set-up was getting RIGHT

apparently, they stayed VERY LONG and tried to soak up everything like a sponge



football's coming HOME, I guess

You boy! Do you swear allegiance to Her Holiness, The Divine Angel Merkel?

Good, now hand over your passport

We has been over this before. He applied for citizenship off his own bat because he wanted it, wanted to become a proper German and has his family over here.

You might have a point with him, alone of the whole squad, but like it or not (that he learnt his football elsewhere etc), it would make him a second-class citizen if he wasn't allowed to play for the national team (as Blut said) and we can't have that. He learnt the anthem and takes pride in bellowing it out, speaks better German than plenty and is something of a hero.

Allez les rouges wrote:We has been over this before. He applied for citizenship off his own bat because he wanted it, wanted to become a proper German and has his family over here.

You might have a point with him, alone of the whole squad, but like it or not (that he learnt his football elsewhere etc), it would make him a second-class citizen if he wasn't allowed to play for the national team (as Blut said) and we can't have that. He learnt the anthem and takes pride in bellowing it out, speaks better German than plenty and is something of a hero.

I'm just jesting with you old bean. Anyway, it's clearly not a bad thing: our rugby team and cricket teams have benefitted from nationalisation laws too.

Personally, as you know, I disagree with how Germany doesn't allow duel nationality, but it's what it is and if players / people WANT to be German then it's another issue entirely.

There are exceptions here, I think it's an EU thing and not a case of taking away your dual nationality if you already have it... anyway for instance a good mate of mine possesses an American and a German passport...

Allez les rouges wrote:There are exceptions here, I think it's an EU thing and not a case of taking away your dual nationality if you already have it... anyway for instance a good mate of mine possesses an American and a German passport...

It is clearly not an EU thing, it is a German thing.

There are a number of people with dual nationality including German. I posted that part of the German law in another thread some time ago I think, but it had something to do with it being illegal in their home country for them to give up their nationality at birth when becoming a German citizen. Therefore Germany allows those people to keep dual nationality but everyone else who wants a German passport for right to live there, earn a living, reduction in harassment (albeit only slight reduction if they look brown/islamic) etc has to give up their other rights.

It basically comes down to whether it is illegal in their home country to give up their nationality, which seems not to be the case in Poland, Turkey etc. It is not really Germany's fault for being clever, but it is a bit mean to lose your right to choose or have both.

why have all brazilians in europe an spanish pass!

because they are then not a NON EU player, and so they can field as many brazilians as they want

thats a disgrace, most of them are fakes


most of our players born and raised in germany, i dont see there a problem

110% wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:There are exceptions here, I think it's an EU thing and not a case of taking away your dual nationality if you already have it... anyway for instance a good mate of mine possesses an American and a German passport...

It is clearly not an EU thing, it is a German thing.

There are a number of people with dual nationality including German. I posted that part of the German law in another thread some time ago I think, but it had something to do with it being illegal in their home country for them to give up their nationality at birth when becoming a German citizen. Therefore Germany allows those people to keep dual nationality but everyone else who wants a German passport for right to live there, earn a living, reduction in harassment (albeit only slight reduction if they look brown/islamic) etc has to give up their other rights.

It basically comes down to whether it is illegal in their home country to give up their nationality, which seems not to be the case in Poland, Turkey etc. It is not really Germany's fault for being clever, but it is a bit mean to lose your right to choose or have both.

It's true that, in general, the German authority prefer to avoid dual nationality as much as possible, or they pretend to prefer it, in reality though you will find that people with dual nationality are no rarity in Germany.

There are more exceptions than those listed by you. There are for instance bilateral agreements between Germany and many European countries (mostly EU countries + Switzerland). Citizens of those countries are not required to give up their citizenship in order to become German. I have friends who immigrated from Finland, Poland and Hungary who all possess two passports for example.

I remember reading a stat not long ago that 40 percent of those people that acquired German citizenship in 2005 in Berlin became German without the requirement to give up their previous citizenship and that this number has been steadily increasing in Berlin. So again, the law may state the aim to avoid creating multiple nationality through naturalization, the reality however shows that dual nationality is not uncommon in Germany.