La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:20 pm

cheers

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Post by Guest on Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:21 pm

Busquets starts in Defense


-----------------VV

---Alves----Busquets---Abidal----Maxwell

------------------Masch

-------Iniesta-------------Xavi


---Pedro---------Bojan------Villa


The return of football, finally.

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Guest on Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:21 pm

Reina; Cerra, Robusté, Nano, Del Horno; Xavi Torres, Gorka Larrea, Pallardó; Xisco Nadal, Juanlu; y Rafa Jordá
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Hlebagone on Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:22 pm

Barca lookng a bit shaky so far. Let's hope they keep this form up until late february.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Hlebagone on Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:29 pm

barca somehow contrive not to score in a goalmouth scrable.

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Post by Guest on Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:07 pm

Pedro on his way to becoming something near WC

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Post by Guest on Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:19 pm

A lot of talk about Bale and Nasri so far this season, but pedro has been pure class for a season and a half now, 2-0
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by TITO on Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:02 pm

Lethargic performance, but it's always like this after a break.
But why they just don't shoot when they are in front of the goal????
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:55 pm

Messiah wrote:Pedro on his way to becoming something near WC

lol!

Not good enough!!!! Buy Suarez!!!! Bring Robinho!!!!

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Guest on Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:30 am

Jaime wrote:
Messiah wrote:Pedro on his way to becoming something near WC

lol!

Not good enough!!!! Buy Suarez!!!! Bring Robinho!!!!

who said that Super Very Happy
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Chocolate Thunder on Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:45 am

I wub you Mata Blush

Great start to the 2011 for betting cheers
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by fcb on Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:35 am

Hlebagone wrote:Barca lookng a bit shaky so far. Let's hope they keep this form up until late february.

Probably will.

So far this season has played out like most others under Rijkaard and Guardiola:

Slow start in Aug/Sep

Warm up in October, then hit peak form in Nov/Dec...around this time the team goes on a 15-20 game unbeaten streak (currently 24 games)

Momentum disrupted by the winter break

Shaky form/results in Jan/Feb, Madrid press start thinking about the word 'crisis'

Form recovers by March

Strong finish to the season in April/May (barring 2006/2007 under Rijkaard)

According to a recent tweet from Sid Lowe (Guardian's La Liga man), this may not be coincidental. Apparently Guardiola and the physios plan the team's training regime such that the players peak physically twice: in November and April. So this causes an inevitable dip in Feb/March.

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Shinji F'N Kagawa wrote:I wub you Mata Blush

Great start to the 2011 for betting cheers


Thank the linesman for that. Apparently Mata was offside. Ref also missed a penalty by Abidal in the Barça game.

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Incredible stat, I'm not sure if it's accurate...it's according to Opta:

Xavi made more successful passes today than the whole of the Levante side: Xavi 156 vs Levante 115


And that 156 is the highest of any player in a single match since such passing stats were started back in 2006.


Crazy possession for Barça too, 80%. Levante did a good job of parking their bus. Good play from Thiago when he came on, added the "spark" that I always like to see from any sub.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by fcb on Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:41 am

btw, good win for Malaga, away to Sporting.

And Sevilla looked decent last night, although that was mostly due to Kanoute dropping into midfield to add a creative link in the play from Zokora/Romaric to Negredo/Capel/Navas (good to see him back). Surprisingly their fans were also quite enthusiastic and supportive.

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Guest on Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:46 pm

Re: the players form

Its been commonly held knowledge for a while now that pep gears the players fitness towards the the beginning of Nov and March, sport even had a long article about it in pep first season. so a relatively poor run of form should be expected from the team during this time period, pep has said in the past in impossible for the team to play like they have been doing for the entire season, its a this point in the season that you will start to see a bit of rotation as well.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Luis on Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:08 pm

Messiah wrote:Pedro on his way to becoming something near WC

He already is world class.

He scores in every big game. Scores almost every game. Has won a World Cup, has won a European cup, has won a La Liga. He will never get the recognition he merits in this team though, but it wont really matter to him I guess.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by fcb on Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:16 pm

Luis wrote:
Messiah wrote:Pedro on his way to becoming something near WC

He already is world class.

He scores in every big game. Scores almost every game. Has won a World Cup, has won a European cup, has won a La Liga. He will never get the recognition he merits in this team though, but it wont really matter to him I guess.

Indeed. His attitude is just exceptional, something that was already "world class" when he first broke into the team and many of us Barça fans still doubted him as a potential starter. This is what he said after the game yesterday: "Soy sólo uno más del equipo". Translation: I'm just one of the team.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by fcb on Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:31 am

No comments on last night's games???!!!

Madrid won 3-2 away to Getafe. Zaragoza got a crucial win, and I watched Atletico-Racing which was very boring, ending 0-0. Diego Costa is talented but needs to be more focused and needs time to gel with his teammates.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Kroos on Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:16 am

lol lass benched affter halftime

what an humiliation, never bench a german^^
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Calidad on Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:05 pm

Sky Sports' Eleven for 2011

----------------De Gea
------Amat----V Ruiz----Dominguez
-------Thiago--Bruno--Parejo
De Guzman---Kiko---Griezmann
--------------A Vazquez

Thoughts?

To be honest, I've never heard of Amat + Vazquez before, but have looked them up and see they're yet more Espanyol youth products. Seen nothing of Kiko either.

I would maybe include Mattioni who I think will be a standout for Espanyol when he returns from injury. The likes of Bruno, Ruiz, Dominguez and even De Gea are obviously well known, and fairly established.

Hope 2011 is return to form for Asenjo too.

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Post by Guest on Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:13 pm

would have been really missed that we let Ruiz go if we didn't have so many good CB's coming through, never heard of Vasquez before either, Griezmann has be excellent for real and Kiko is an atletico youth player that has been sent out on loan
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:35 pm

Calidad wrote:Sky Sports' Eleven for 2011

----------------De Gea
------Amat----V Ruiz----Dominguez
-------Thiago--Bruno--Parejo
De Guzman---Kiko---Griezmann
--------------A Vazquez

Thoughts?

To be honest, I've never heard of Amat + Vazquez before, but have looked them up and see they're yet more Espanyol youth products. Seen nothing of Kiko either.

I would maybe include Mattioni who I think will be a standout for Espanyol when he returns from injury. The likes of Bruno, Ruiz, Dominguez and even De Gea are obviously well known, and fairly established.

Hope 2011 is return to form for Asenjo too.

Is this meant to be a U23 side or something? Or just 'ones to watch'. A bit odd that Bruno is in there...I assume they mean the Villarreal midfielder? He's a bit older.

Jordi Amat is meant to be another really good CB. Quite a few good ones at the moment Ruiz, Amat, San Jose, Dominguez, Ivan Hernandez, Botia, etc.

Never heard of Kiko before. Is it Keko who was at Valladolid last year?

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Calidad on Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:18 pm

No it's just a one to watch I think...who they think will standout/make a name for themselves.

No, they said it was Kiko of Hercules apparently...

I would have maybe thrown in Mussachio or whatever from Villarreal. He's looked very good, and is actually a first choice too.

Juanmi is another.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:24 pm

Oh....I see. Kiko Femenia. Not seen much of him. Musacchio is a good shout.

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by stinger on Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:38 pm

Griezmann indeed looks great, but I'm surprised to see De Guzman over Jefferson Montero, who IMO looks like a really, really talented player. And with Borja playing more centrally (as Senna is back with his nagging injuries) he should get more time to impress for Villarreal.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Cesc Soler on Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:22 pm

La Liga's Team of the Decade

And so, after the Barcelona and Real Madrid Teams of the Decade, here's La Liga's finest XI from 2000-2010. First, though, a few things worth noting about all three teams:

• It doesn't matter how good a player was before Jan. 1, 2000; if he wasn't good enough afterward, he isn't getting in. Plenty of very, very good footballers haven't made it. Take Rivaldo -- who scored the most ridiculous hat trick you could ever wish to see on the last day of the 2000-2001 season -- and was a stunningly good player but who left Barcelona in 2002 and won nothing this century.

• It is not enough just for someone to have been or to be a good player. This isn't the 11 best players to have played in Spain. If it were, Sevilla's best all-time player would be Diego Maradona and you won't find many Sevilla fans telling you that. Players have to have had an impact, performed well, achieved something and made a difference in Spain and for their clubs and/or the country. They have to mean something, represent something. They have to have reached football fans somehow (and, yes, that does become a little subjective). And not just for one season. Edgar Davids did a huge amount to turn around Barcelona but was gone in the blink of an eye. Cristiano Ronaldo might be brilliant but can't be included because he has played just one and a third seasons -- and won nothing. Yet.

• Not that winning alone is enough -- plenty of pretty average players have won things. By the same token, some players who have actually won very little have sneaked in, too.

• The teams picked have to be at least plausible (if a little forced). It would be very easy to pick 11 strikers and creative midfielders, but who's going to defend? (But that doesn't mean these teams have been picked to play necessarily; we're looking for two center backs, not necessarily a center-back partnership). This team has been far harder than the last two, with greater variety of options and with far more great players to leave out and far more great players to accommodate. In some positions there have been loads of options, in some hardly any. If some players leave you thinking, "Well, he's not that good," ask yourself this: Who else would you pick?

• Speaking of which: With this team there is a strong temptation, which I succumbed to in a couple of cases, to give non-Madrid and Barcelona players the benefit of any doubt. If only because no one else does. Ever.

So, yes, it's true: There is bias. This team is anti-Madrid.

And anti-Barcelona.

Got it?

Right. Let's get on with it, then ...

GK: Iker Casillas
Real Madrid, 1999-present

Valencia's Santi Cañizares was the kind of goalkeeper every team wants -- aggressive, dominating, a leader and capable of making great saves. He was very, very close to getting in. But ultimately it's impossible to look beyond the man who took Cañizares's place in the Spanish national team when he dropped one. No, not a ball -- an aftershave bottle, right onto his foot, severing tendons and missing out on the 2002 World Cup, at which Casillas became a penalty-saving hero. It was a real pity for Cañizares, a properly brilliant goalkeeper. But that's the way the cookie crumbles and the bottle breaks. And so, Iker Casillas it is -- the goalkeeper they call Saint Iker because of the ease with which he performs miracles. You can't really argue with a World Cup-winning captain.

RB: Dani Alves
Sevilla, 2003-2008
Barcelona, 2008-present

There was something strange about Sevilla -- the best Sevilla in the club's entire history. Its best player was not a striker or a playmaker or a midfield general or a flying winger. He was a defender. A defender who cost just €1 million ($1.3 million), too. A mere right back. If you can call Dani Alves a mere right back, that is. He was more like a right back, central midfielder, right midfielder, right winger and support striker, all rolled into one. A one-man band wearing cymbals on his knees, a drum on his back, a harmonica strapped to his mouth and sweatbands on his wrists -- offering killer passes and crunching tackles. A screeching lunatic kid, perfect technician, tactical genius and -- let's face it -- sneaky little cheat, all wrapped into one hyperactive ball. A footballing Sonic the Hedgehog.

It was as if Sevilla's entire team was connected to Alves by a huge invisible rope; he used to start, continue and finish moves, dragging his teammates the length of the pitch. He'd get the ball from the keeper, play a one-two with the center back, run up the pitch a bit, play a one-two with the deep midfielder, run a bit more, play a one-two with a midfielder, carry on running, play a one-two with one of the forwards, run into the area, and then roll it across for the other forward to score. Sevilla coped with selling Julio Baptista, Sergio Ramos and Jose Reyes. But not Alves. It makes no difference to his selection here but he has proved as good -- if less central a figure -- at Barcelona. Last season he provided more assists than anyone else in La Liga. He has won two leagues, two Copa del Reys, two Uefa Cups, a Champions League and a World Club Cup.

CB: Roberto Fabían Ayala
Valencia, 2000-2007
(Villarreal, 2007-2007)
Zaragoza, 2007-2010

He made possibly the stupidest career move imaginable in the summer of 2007. Ayala signed with Villarreal, but before he had even joined his new team for preseason training, he moved on to Zaragoza instead. Villarreal finished second; Zaragoza was relegated. And Ayala was not entirely blameless either. But that shouldn't blind people to what he achieved during the first five years of the decade with Valencia, where he won two league titles and the UEFA Cup -- and was a beaten finalist, on penalties, in the 2001 Champions League final. He was in (my) La Liga team of the year three years running between 2002 and 2004. Nicknamed the Mouse because of his facial features, that moniker ended up being of those ironic ones. Ayala was terrifying -- aggressive, clever, dirty and very, very good indeed. The man proved Wesley Snipes wrong: Ayala had an incredible leap.

CB: Carles Puyol
Barcelona, 1999-present

It was very tempting to go for roly-poly Brazilian Donato (Deportivo de La Coruña, 1993-2003), who began the century by scoring the goal that gave Deportivo its only league title. That alone could be reason enough to include the man with the big belly and the face of an Inca warrior, but Donato also played more games than any other foreigner in the history of the league. He came to Spain in 1988 to play for Atlético Madrid and joined Deportivo in 1993. For the last six years, he signed one-year renewals under the assumption that any day now his legs would give way or maybe that his stomach would engulf him, but somehow he just kept on going. He became the oldest goal scorer in the game and retired at age 40. But, well, it really has to be Carles Puyol -- especially after that header at the World Cup capped an astonishing decade.

LB: Roberto Carlos
Real Madrid, 1996-2007

Probably the most obvious choice of all. Even at the end, when he was not the player he once had been, he ran 80 yards to score the 90th-minute goal that beat Recreativo de Huelva and gave Madrid the chance to win a barely plausible league title in 2007. And he provided the assist for Zinedine Zidane's goal in the European Cup final. At least, he called it an assist.

CM: Xavi Hernández
Barcelona, 1998-present

Pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass ... goal.

CM: Rubén Baraja
Valencia, 2000-2010

Baraja was the driving force behind a Valencia side that broke up the duopoly in a way that, sadly, we may never see again. Returning from injury, he sparked the club to its first league title in 31 years with seven goals in 17 games in 2001. Two years later, he helped Valencia win it again. Baraja had vision, pace and llegada, or arrival, the ability to dash into the area and score goals and make things happen coming from deep or from the edge of the box. He also played in the Champions League final in 2001 and won the UEFA Cup and the Copa del Rey. Baraja, 35, retired last summer.

AM: Juan Carlos Valerón
(Las Palmas, 1994-1997)
(Mallorca, 1997-1998)
(Atlético 1998-2000)
Deportivo de La Coruña, 2000-present

He started the decade with a relegation for Atlético and ends it barely able to walk and coming to the end. But, boy, was he good for a while. Quite a long while, too. One columnist described him as "Spain's Zidane -- only better." I wouldn't actually agree but, with the non-Barça/Madrid factor weighing heavily and tipping the scales of (in)justice his way, he does -- just -- get the nod over the Frenchman. And, equally unfairly, over one or two others. Valerón has a ridiculously high voice and absolutely no arrogance whatsoever, no airs or graces, no sense of superiority. He is such a devout evangelist that he sponsors a local football team called Abrisajac -- Abraham, Issac and Jacob welded together.

He was not fast, powerful or athletic. In fact, he was slow. But somehow he made a virtue out of that; people seemed to dash past him, skidding by helplessly as he strolled about unaffected by it all. His vision behind the strikers was central to Deportivo's success. And for a side that was not Madrid or Barcelona, it was very successful, with five consecutive top-three finishes, a Champions League semifinal (in which it was desperately unlucky and, the team believed, robbed blind by Porto), and the 2002 Copa del Rey -- the famous centenariazo where it beat Real Madrid on its 100th birthday in its own stadium. For two years running, a Deportivo player was Spain's top scorer: Diego Tristán in 2001-2002 and Roy Makaay in 2002-2003. The man who actually won the award was Valerón.

F: David Villa

Sporting Gijón, 1999-2003 (Second Division)
Zaragoza, 2003-2005
Valencia, 2005-2010
Barcelona, 2010-present

You could argue that David Villa is the best striker in the world. In fact, this columnist has argued exactly that. Quite a few times. He scored more goals than anyone else over the last decade except his strike partner in this team -- despite not playing for one of the country's biggest clubs and beginning the century in the Second Division. Villa has never slipped under 15 league goals in a season and averages 20 per campaign. Fast, clever, technical and cool in front of goal, blessed of great variety in his play and his finishing, he was top scorer at Euro 2008 and joint top scorer at the 2010 World Cup. He has won two Copa del Rey titles, scoring for Zaragoza against Madrid in the final back in 2004. It's amazing that Villa, who joined Barcelona last summer for €40 million ($53 million), never got a big move sooner. And even without it -- especially without it, in fact -- he would have been in this team.

F: Samuel Eto'o

(Real Madrid, 1998-2000)
Mallorca, 2000-2004
Barcelona, 2004-2009

With Eto'o, it's not just about the goals. It's also not just about Barcelona, where he was top scorer twice and won the most. Even before joining Barcelona, he had (officially, at least -- he had played three times in the competition for Madrid) already won the European Cup. And after leaving Barça, he would win it again. He also scored plenty for Mallorca, getting 31 league goals in his last two seasons -- plus a goal-scoring man of the match display in the final of the Copa del Rey in 2003, when Mallorca won its only trophy. His brilliance at Barcelona was not entirely unexpected. He scored more goals than anyone else over the course of the decade.

F: Leo Messi
Barcelona, 2004-present

Messi ... Zidane ... Ronaldinho ... Messi ... Zidane ... Ronaldinho ... Messi ... Zidane ... Ronaldinho ... ?

Deep breath ...

Messi.

And, finally, the subs' bench (the men who should have or could have made it, the ones who were in contention):

Zidane (Madrid, 2001-2006), Ronaldinho (Barcelona, 2003-2008), Mauro Silva (Deportivo, 1992-2005), Donato (Deportivo, 1993-2003), Fernando Hierro (Madrid 1989-2003), Marcos Senna (Villarreal, 2002-present), Juan Román Riquelme (Barcelona, 2002-2003; Villarreal, 2003-2007), Diego Forlán (2004-2007, Villarreal; Atlético Madrid, 2007-present), Santi Cañizares (Valencia, 1998-2008), Fredi Kanouté (Sevilla, 2005-present).

And one last thing: If we're doing team of the decade with NO Madrid or Barcelona players at all:

Cañizares/Alves (Sevilla), Donato, Ayala, Capdevila or Carboni/Mauro Silva, Baraja, Valerón/Forlán, Villa (Valencia), Kanouté.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/01/04/laliga.decade/index.html?eref=writers

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Guest on Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:14 pm

Horse shit
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Post by Jaime on Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:27 pm

I think you could make a pretty good argument that Forlan should be in there ahead of Villa. And that Raul doesn't even make the bench is a joke but other than that I don't think anyone can have too many complaints.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Calidad on Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:48 pm

I would have Ronaldinho in there for sure, above Messi if no one else...

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:41 am

the defense and midfield is ok but the attacking 3rd is shit, dinho and maybe zidane has to be there, then its a matter of taste for the strikers, its between forlan,Eto'o and Villa and since Eto'o won the most and scored the most and is a barca man of course i would go with him

----Messi-------Zidane------Dinho

------------------eto'o

what the fuck has valeron done this decade when compared to zidane even deco
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:03 pm

Messiah wrote:the defense and midfield is ok but the attacking 3rd is shit, dinho and maybe zidane has to be there, then its a matter of taste for the strikers, its between forlan,Eto'o and Villa and since Eto'o won the most and scored the most and is a barca man of course i would go with him

----Messi-------Zidane------Dinho

------------------eto'o

what the fuck has valeron done this decade when compared to zidane even deco

Did you watch la liga between 2000-2004? Valeron was amazing....a lot of people think he was better than Zidane. Certainly much better than Deco in his prime.

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