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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Super Progress on Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:54 pm

There is now 11 points between 2 and 3 in this league. Last time this year there was only 3 points at that time it was Valencia who was third.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Luis on Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:01 pm

Great game but an obvious end result.

Villareal played some magnificent stuff, especially in the first half. Really did remind me of Barca at times. They have great technique and passing ability but are always likely to concede goals.

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Guest on Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:01 pm

why does jose have to act like such a c**t when ever his teams score a goal
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Luis on Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:03 pm

Messiah wrote:why does jose have to act like such a c**t when ever his teams score a goal

It winds people up. All he did was celebrate with the home fans, didn't see that much wrong.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Torrente on Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:05 pm

The difference between having Lass "headless chicken" Diarra and Khedira in midfield was there for all to see. To make matters worse, apparently the idiot left the stadium directly after half time Doh

That being said, great game but it's very worrying to see that Villareal dominated us that way in the first half. Lass or no Lass, they made us look incredibly bad.

Once again Polaroid saved the day, and I was happy to see Mourinho rile up the fucking piperos who just sit there all game looking comatose. He actually got them to show a bit of emotion.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by TITO on Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:07 pm

Luis wrote:
Messiah wrote:why does jose have to act like such a c**t when ever his teams score a goal

It winds people up. All he did was celebrate with the home fans, didn't see that much wrong.

He could have gone the other way and not do it in front of the Villarreal bench.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Super Progress on Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:13 pm

Messiah wrote:why does jose have to act like such a c**t when ever his teams score a goal
It is incidents like that that is the is the reason Mourinho will never be regarded as one of the greats. Laugh

Torrente wrote:The difference between having Lass "headless chicken" Diarra and Khedira in midfield was there for all to see. To make matters worse, apparently the idiot left the stadium directly after half time Doh

That being said, great game but it's very worrying to see that Villareal dominated us that way in the first half. Lass or no Lass, they made us look incredibly bad.

Once again Polaroid saved the day, and I was happy to see Mourinho rile up the fucking piperos who just sit there all game looking comatose. He actually got them to show a bit of emotion.
I don't mind Lass leaving the stadium but he better not come back. Absolutely pathetic performance by him and his talent really gets shown up when he meets a good team. He should only play away games if at all.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Chocolate Thunder on Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:27 pm

Mata with a shocking penalty attempt Doh
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Cristiano on Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:29 pm

Great game but once again there are major problems with this team(Lass or No Lass). Can't even get a simple offside trap right, one person presses whilst others watch, an opposing player makes a simple run that a blind man can see coming yet noone bothers to mark them. You can call me cynical but the way things are at the moment this team ain't winning shit.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by bluenine on Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:03 pm

Cristiano wrote:Kaka!

fantastic goal.
Hmmm... if Kaka starts clicking, things could become interesting...

You think Mou will shift Ronaldo to the striker spot, or drop Ozil/Di Maria to the bench?
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Chocolate Thunder on Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:16 pm

Shinji F'N Kagawa wrote:Mata with a shocking penalty attempt Doh


Made up for it and scored the winner late on ok
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:11 pm

bluenine wrote:
Cristiano wrote:Kaka!

fantastic goal.
Hmmm... if Kaka starts clicking, things could become interesting...

You think Mou will shift Ronaldo to the striker spot, or drop Ozil/Di Maria to the bench?

I would have to think it will be Benzema who drops out he is so sh!t. I doubt it would be Di Maria, he works to hard defensively.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:13 pm

Super Laudrup wrote:
Messiah wrote:why does jose have to act like such a c**t when ever his teams score a goal
It is incidents like that that is the is the reason Mourinho will never be regarded as one of the greats. Laugh


lol! Ale

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Torrente wrote:The difference between having Lass "headless chicken" Diarra and Khedira in midfield was there for all to see. To make matters worse, apparently the idiot left the stadium directly after half time Doh

That being said, great game but it's very worrying to see that Villareal dominated us that way in the first half. Lass or no Lass, they made us look incredibly bad.

Once again Polaroid saved the day, and I was happy to see Mourinho rile up the fucking piperos who just sit there all game looking comatose. He actually got them to show a bit of emotion.
I don't mind Lass leaving the stadium but he better not come back. Absolutely pathetic performance by him and his talent really gets shown up when he meets a good team. He should only play away games if at all.

He can play away games for Castilla, that's all! What an absolute sh!t showing from lASS. If Man Utd really want him we should sell him tomorrow.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by fcb on Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:02 am

Super Laudrup wrote:There is now 11 points between 2 and 3 in this league. Last time this year there was only 3 points at that time it was Valencia who was third.

Yes, we know. La Liga is the new Scotland. Well done, you're only the 527th person to provide us with this highly original insight Sleep

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Luis wrote:Great game but an obvious end result.

Villareal played some magnificent stuff, especially in the first half. Really did remind me of Barca at times. They have great technique and passing ability but are always likely to concede goals.

Indeed, they're a fantastic footballing side. Just their off-the-ball play and general level of defending is poor and will get shown up against top teams. After Barça, they're the team I enjoy watching most this season.

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Interesting that all of you Madrid fans have some very nice things to say about Lass, but not a single one actually criticises Mourinho for picking him in the first place, "on merit" (according to the great man himself) and ahead of a fit and available Khedira.

Of course it's Lass' own stupidity for leaving early, but as for the actual selection to have him start the game...well, if this was Pellegrini, I think we all know how you lot (and Marca) would have talked about it Rolling Eyes

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Ronaldo's 3rd goal was really excellent. Shows desire to sprint back and win the ball (something Benzema wouldn't bother to do) then shows excellent athleticism and skill to turn and instantly shoot with his left foot. The defenders and keeper can't be blamed because they wouldn't even have expected it. A genuine moment of class from Ronaldo, it must be said.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:43 pm

re: Lass

kas, I think most of us have said it is pointless for Mourinho to pick Lass. I don't think it bears repeating every time it happens. I think the reason there is so much anger directed at Lass (and not as much at Mourinho's selection) is the fact that Lass and his agent keep going on about how he wants to leave if he doesn't play. Well, then he gets an opportunity to play and he is, yet again, absolute utter sh!t and then had the audacity to leave the stadium?

re: Ronaldo's third goal

Great effort from Ronaldo as you mention and very good technique on the turn. Surprised more people were not banging on about it being offside. He was definitely in an offside position when then Benzema deflected shot. Not sure exactly how the rule can be interpreted in this situation?

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Guest on Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:53 pm

its madrid at home drawing in the 80th minutes are something like that, no one was surprised they got a call in their favour, thats the benefit of being a big club i guess
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:00 pm

Messiah wrote:its madrid at home drawing in the 80th minutes are something like that, no one was surprised they got a call in their favour, thats the benefit of being a big club i guess

Doesn't usually stop you from bitching about it. Biggrin

Anyhow, does anyone know how the rule is interpreted? Mundo Deportivo said that the Villarreal players arguing it was Di Maria who was offside but I would have to go back and see the replay. Ronaldo is clearly in an offside position but the shot was blocked so maybe he was not "entering" into play at this moment. I don't think SPORT even mentioned it. And you know if there is even a hint of a favourable decision for Madrid SPORT is bringing out the "Asi gana el Madrid" headlines. The commentators I was listening to thought it was offside.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Super Progress on Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:09 pm

I was quite surprised as well that nobody mentioned it. The commentators didn't it mention either despite Villarreal players objecting heavily. I think the player who tried to head in on Kaka's cross might be the one who was offside because he was trying to get involved in the game.

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Guest on Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:25 pm

Damn lies and statistics
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Uuuuf - as the Spanish say. In the Riazor stadium (A Coruña) on Saturday night, a lone banner required Deportivo to put up some manly resistance to the might of the visiting Barcelona, so that La Liga would not be converted into 'The Scottish League' [sic - sort of], but it only took David Villa twenty-five minutes to put paid to that idea (the resistance). Once Messi made it two on fifty-one minutes you did get the impression that Deportivo were thinking about next week and their difficult but less terrifying trip to Valencia. Without exactly throwing in the towel, they seemed to be more interested in keeping the score down. They also failed to do that.


Barcelona will be at home to Malaga next week, and if they win it they will have beaten their own best-ever record of 49 points at the half-way stage, which they equalled on Saturday with one game to spare. Last year at this stage they had scored 49 goals, but now they've managed 57. If they fail to score against Malaga they will have averaged three per game from their 19 matches. And as most Spaniards know, John Toshack's Real Madrid team of 1989 scored a record 107 goals during a campaign in which the Welshman was accused of being over-defensive by the Madrid press. Toshack has been dining out on that statistic ever since, but the way things are shaping up, he might have to come up with a new after-dinner trumpeting note. His only hope of hanging onto the record is that logic suggests that Barcelona cannot be quite so imperious in the second half of the season. Or can they?

Perhaps even more startling than these figures is the fact that they have won all nine of their away games, un pleno as they call it in Spanish. Only one team has managed this before in the entire history of the Spanish league, namely the powerful Athletic Bilbao team of the 1930s.

There are individual achievements to point out too, quite apart from the three-man hegemony of the candidature for the Ballon d'Or this year. David Villa reached his 150th goal in La Liga on Saturday, twelve of which have been scored in the present shirt. The rest came with Zaragoza and Valencia. Someone should look up who the Oviedo kiddies' trainer was when Villa turned up late for a trial, circa 1994, having had to take the bus from Tuilla because he was dad was working down the mines. Rucksack slung over shoulder, he made it to ground on foot, but was turned around and sent straight home - a tiny lost young teenager. He finally made it to a trial a few weeks later, but they thought he was too short! Carles Puyol similarly suffered ranks of doubters before finally making it, and on Saturday also established the interesting record of playing nineteen consecutive winning games. Ferenc Puskas was the last player to manage eighteen, with Real Madrid in 1961. Puyol has had two strokes of luck on the way, however. For the home games against Hercules (0-2) and Mallorca (1-1) he was left out of the side. Significant? Probably not.

However, I don't want to bore you with too much Barcelona flag-waving. Real Madrid, who came through unscathed from their tricky home game against Villarreal (4-2), have also registered a pleno of nine home victories, and have in Cristiano Ronaldo the goal machine who looks as if he may finally surpass the 38-goal record established by Hugo Sanchez in 1989-90 and Athletic's Telmo Zarra in 1951. He has 23 to date, courtesy of another hat-trick on Sunday night, and even managed to set up the returning Kaka for the final goal. Again, like Barcelona, he may run relatively out of steam, but even then he might still surpass Sanchez and Zarra. And for all Barcelona's brilliance, the all-whites remain stubbornly two points behind, waiting for another Hercules off-day and that return game in the Bernabeu. Their 30 home goals scored with only five conceded (two of them on Sunday) is highly impressive.


Top of 'the rest', Villarreal have also finished their opening nine home games with better figures than the leaders, with eight games won and only one draw to stain the shirt-sleeve. Only three goals conceded too at El Madrigal, which on the face of it is hardly a scary place to visit. But as Villarreal showed in a first half in the Bernabeu which they utterly dominated, this is the best team in their history. Quite why Sir Alex Ferguson let Giuseppe Rossi go we will never know, but the same question could be asked about the release of Gerard Pique. We all make mistakes. Real Madrid must also be wondering why they also failed to show patience with Borja Valero, who came up through their ranks but was allowed to slip out through the back door to Mallorca in 2007. Now consigning Marcos Senna to the bench, he looks exactly the player that Real Madrid really need, despite Mourinho's grumpy bleating about not being brought a Christmas present to replace the injured Gonzalo Higuain.

Indeed, as we begin to contemplate the half-way stage and beyond, Real Madrid's possibilities of overtaking Barcelona and stealing their crown seem merely statistical. Unlike Barcelona, whose creative midfield continues to confound others and to overrun them, Madrid find themselves with only one player who can really make the team tick, namely Xabi Alonso. Their dependence on his metronomic organisational abilities seems excessive, and the idea that he might be injured, suspended or whisked away by aliens is too terrible to contemplate for the Bernabeu faithful.

This was a player who almost went elsewhere in the summer of 2009, you may recall, when Florentino Perez was reluctant to dip further into his wallet after a new succession of post-galactic signings followed in the wake of his Second Coming. Now the problem is that there is no-one around the same zone to share creative duties, and Mourinho has limited himself to finding the right escolta (bodyguard) to help him with defensive duties and to protect him from the excessive attentions of the numerous ranks of perros de caza (hunting dogs) who roam the stadia of La Liga. Now that they have seen how stopping Alonso can stop Madrid, neither Lass Diarra nor Khedira (who began well but who has faded) can really contribute to a free-flowing engine-room. Mesut Ozil has had a fine start, if a somewhat inconsistent one, but is not an organiser.

Creation comes from Marcelo and from Angel Di Maria too, but they require feeding. Mourinho has not yet figured out how to make the team function in ways that by-pass Alonso's abilities, as Guardiola has done to such powerful effect with Xavi. This is one of the main lessons of these first five months, and the Portuguese polemicist will need to put his thinking-hat back on if their campaign, pretty good up to now, is not to stutter. Kaka brings something back to the mix, but it might not be what is really required.

Despairing of any let-up in Barcelona's season, Marca's editor Eduardo Inda and his kow-towing servants on the paper (otherwise known as journalists) have sat down and brain-stormed a new approach. Well, not exactly new. The big idea is that Barcelona get it easy, from the refs and from the opposing teams. On Sunday's front page we learned that Deportivo had only committed eight fouls on Barcelona throughout the whole game (good for them), a figure which allegedly demonstrates the token resistance put up by other teams, whereas look at that horrible Villarreal team, who dared to actually take a 2-1 lead! Boo-hoo, the subtext goes. Teams try against Madrid, whereas against the Catalans they lie down and die.

If one can half-accept this argument, then the accompanying message - that the refs are twice as hard on Madrid as they are on Barcelona - is a particularly sickly assertion. Madrid have received 56 yellow cards this season to Barcelona's 34, meaning that six merengues have missed games this season for accumulation of cards, whereas only Pique has suffered this indignity for the leaders. Inda's big idea is to work on a new conspiracy theory, and probably trace it all the way back to PM Zapatero, who is of course a culé. Inda's political credentials were well established when he worked for the right-swung newspaper El Mundo, and anything to the left of Genghis Khan tends to incur his wrath.


The funniest thing about all this is that neither Inda nor the journalists he instructs to write this tripe actually believe what they are saying. Apparently Mourinho has complained that when his players argue with the referees, they get booked, but that the Barcelona players don't. Hmmm - interesting one that. Maybe the Barcelona players swear in Catalan and the refs don't understand, or maybe they just argue in more diplomatic language. Whatever, why doesn't Mourinho simply instruct his players not to argue? Game over.

And of course, the campaign has already started to work. Villarreal can have serious cause to complain about Ronaldo and Madrid's third goal, which looked offside from where I was sitting (on the sofa), but referee Fernandez Borbalan thought otherwise. Pressure paying off? Well if it's not as simple as that, then it should be interesting to see how Marca deal with possible new favours to Real Madrid in their Monday morning edition - most likely by ignoring the facts altogether. Never let those things get in the way of a good story.

I don't personally mind the two-horse race. I don't mind the fact that the Catalan press can also be a bit crowing at times, and less than honest. La Liga is always worth tuning into. What spoils the party is the deliberate conniving, the lies and the (doctored) videotapes. My hope for 2011 is that at least some of this will go away. It would be nice if teams could just be judged on their merits, or lack of them, as they deserve. But I guess that doesn't sell newspapers.

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Guest on Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:28 pm

Ronaldo Rules In Brilliant Bernabeu Battle
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Post by Jaime on Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:35 pm

Well I just rewatched it and Di Maria is clearly in an offside position in the initial cross from Kaka, now whether or not he is participating in play is open to interpretation I suppose. The cross is well away from him so it is not clear for me what the correct way to rule it is. Ronaldo is even less clear, coming back from an offside position after a blocked shot.

Also, in rewatching those highlights it's got to be said that Marco Ruben's finish in the first half was absolutely delightful. Ale
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:37 pm

Also - how sh!t is Zaragoza????? A SEGUNDA! A SEGUNDA! Laughing

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Guest on Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:47 pm

they are beyond shit, but they really don't have the players so can't be too hard on them
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:52 pm

They have some decent players in midfield: Ander Herrera, Lafita, Bertolo...but they absolutely have nobody who can score and the defence is awful.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by fcb on Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:51 pm

I think everyone spotted the offside (there were two instances of it according to Marca's text commentary, which, interestingly, is always very neutral compared to the ridiculous bias of its cover page and actual articles) but forgot about it amidst the drama of Mourinho "celebrating with his son".
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Super Progress on Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:52 pm

fcb wrote:
Super Laudrup wrote:There is now 11 points between 2 and 3 in this league. Last time this year there was only 3 points at that time it was Valencia who was third.

Yes, we know. La Liga is the new Scotland. Well done, you're only the 527th person to provide us with this highly original insight Sleep

The reason it is worthy of mention is that last year the top 2 finished with a gap of 25 points to third placed. However this time last year the gap was still only 3 points. So the reason im mentioning this that we might be on course for a similar and perhaps much bigger gap this season. Now things might change and the top 2 might drop more points in the second half of the season which will balance some of the gap out but if this doesn't happen then it would be even crazier then last year. I think that is a point worth making.

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Guest on Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:16 pm

i agree it is for sure a point worth making its reach a point to wear it is a bit of a disgrace, especially considering what la liga was just a few years a go, it points to the fact of how poorly the league is managed and how each team are just looking out for their own best interest and not seeing the bigger picture
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:43 pm

Messiah wrote:i agree it is for sure a point worth making its reach a point to wear it is a bit of a disgrace, especially considering what la liga was just a few years a go, it points to the fact of how poorly the league is managed and how each team are just looking out for their own best interest and not seeing the bigger picture

But if you go back a few more years you would see another Madrid-Barça monopoly at the top. This is the history of the Spanish League: Real Madrid and Barcelona. And every now and again you see one or two teams rise up (Atletico in the 70s, the Basques in the 80s, Deportivo/Valencia for the first half of the 00s) to challenge the hegemony. People can like it or not but that is the way it is. The problem is a lot of posters on here who whinge about it just started watching la liga this decade and so would might have a skewed perception.

You do get the sense that if Villarreal, for example, had the opportunity to invest 50m euro even as a one off, they could really challenge for the title. But the reality is that their net spending for the last 2-3 years is negative. The TV money is an issue and I for one would certainly advocate a more egalitarian way of dividing the pie. Who knows if this will be possible. But even if it happens I feel like some clubs will continue to be run so awfully that it wouldn't matter. In the last couple of years Atletico and Sevilla have both spent a fair amount on players and are nowhere close to be legitimate contenders. I think what is certain is that for Spanish clubs the way forward (as is being demonstrated first and foremost by Barcelona but also Villarreal and Espanyol) is investing in the cantera.
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by fcb on Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:57 pm

Jaime wrote:
Messiah wrote:i agree it is for sure a point worth making its reach a point to wear it is a bit of a disgrace, especially considering what la liga was just a few years a go, it points to the fact of how poorly the league is managed and how each team are just looking out for their own best interest and not seeing the bigger picture

But if you go back a few more years you would see another Madrid-Barça monopoly at the top. This is the history of the Spanish League: Real Madrid and Barcelona. And every now and again you see one or two teams rise up (Atletico in the 70s, the Basques in the 80s, Deportivo/Valencia for the first half of the 00s) to challenge the hegemony. People can like it or not but that is the way it is. The problem is a lot of posters on here who whinge about it just started watching la liga this decade and so would might have a skewed perception.

You do get the sense that if Villarreal, for example, had the opportunity to invest 50m euro even as a one off, they could really challenge for the title. But the reality is that their net spending for the last 2-3 years is negative. The TV money is an issue and I for one would certainly advocate a more egalitarian way of dividing the pie. Who knows if this will be possible. But even if it happens I feel like some clubs will continue to be run so awfully that it wouldn't matter. In the last couple of years Atletico and Sevilla have both spent a fair amount on players and are nowhere close to be legitimate contenders. I think what is certain is that for Spanish clubs the way forward (as is being demonstrated first and foremost by Barcelona but also Villarreal and Espanyol) is investing in the cantera.


Top post, agree with both the main points ok
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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

Post by Luis on Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:52 pm

Or maybe the problem is that Madrid spend 110 million on 2 players.

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Re: La Liga 2010/11 Season Thread

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