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Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Batman on Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:09 am



If you were a scout for Man Utd, then who would you recommend to SAF to sign to replace van der Sar, Scholes and Giggs for next season?

E.g. from the Prem:
Reina
Modric
Bale

But signing these 3 players would be unrealistic.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Kroos on Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:48 am

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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Super Progress on Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:08 pm

Batman wrote:

If you were a scout for Man Utd, then who would you recommend to SAF to sign to replace van der Sar, Scholes and Giggs for next season?

E.g. from the Prem:
Reina
Modric
Bale

But signing these 3 players would be unrealistic.
A great list of players there especially Modric for Scholes would be particularly well fit.

For Giggs:
Alexis Sanchez although perhaps he would be too close to somebody like Nani in style. Bale would be a good counterweight. Mata would also be a good choice but he might not work as well in a 4-4-2 if SAF continues with that tactic as his basic formation. I don't think Atletico would let Reyes go except for a big figure he would also be at the level needed since he returned to form. Think he would be more prepared for England this time around.

Scholes:
Borja Valero could be an absolute steal and he is able to play on the wing too plus he works hard and he can play some superb through passses. Banega might also be tempted without it costing too much. Manuel Fernandes could also be an option but his injury problems might be too big to take a shot. Hernanes is good as well and David Pizzaro would be an experienced cheap short term option.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by debaser on Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:33 pm

VDS - Foster
Giggs - Obertan
Scholes - Carrick

Ale

More seriously, I'm looking forward to Reina crossing over to replace VDS and making the Liver fans cry.

For Giggs and Scholes, I'm not sure they'll get exactly like-for-like replacements, but I could see Utd going for Ashley Young and Modric. The former being very feasible if they do choose to bid, the latter only if they willing to pay 30m+ (which they probably are, knowing Utd Rolling Eyes ). These two both fit the bill of Ferguson-types who are talented but also willing to put in the graft to be successful in PL. Both at good ages too: 25/26.

Would also expect them to go for another CM of the more DM variety - i.e. the long-needed Hargreaves replacement.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Luis on Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:45 pm

Does Ashley Young really put in the graft? Some games he seems to fade into anonymity.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Fey on Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:59 pm

Depends on what Utd has to spent in the summer.

Reina is a bit overrated, besides EPL players are feckin expensive.

VDS--Stekelenburg, better then Reina and was the successor of VDS for Oranje.
Scholes---Eriksen, more talented then Wilshere, but perhaps a bit young for a move. Otherwise I suggest Sahin. Modric wont come cheap.
Giggs--Bale, obviously.


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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by debaser on Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:03 pm

Luis wrote:Does Ashley Young really put in the graft? Some games he seems to fade into anonymity.

There's games where he doesn't have much impact but I would still say he is one of the most hard-working players around.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Luis on Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:23 pm

Fey wrote:

Reina is a bit overrated, besides EPL players are feckin expensive.

VDS--Stekelenburg, better then Reina and was the successor of VDS for Oranje.


Reina has consistently been one of, if not the best keepers in the best league in the world for the last 5 seasons or so. Stekelenburg has spent all his career in a micky mouse league. Sure he had a great world cup but Reina doesn't get the chance to play for Spain so you can only judge him on club football.

Yet another ridiculous claim from Fey.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by S4P on Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:05 pm

Luis wrote:
Fey wrote:

Reina is a bit overrated, besides EPL players are feckin expensive.

VDS--Stekelenburg, better then Reina and was the successor of VDS for Oranje.


Reina has consistently been one of, if not the best keepers in the best league in the world for the last 5 seasons or so. Stekelenburg has spent all his career in a micky mouse league. Sure he had a great world cup but Reina doesn't get the chance to play for Spain so you can only judge him on club football.

Yet another ridiculous claim from Fey.

You've been listening to Jamie Redknapp too much.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Kroos on Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:03 am

go for

HOLTBY (the best passer in germany)
baumann (the best goalkeeper talent we have, hes only 20)

you wont find better players at the same age, and Ferguson like kids, lets face it, you dont have the money to buy 3 proven players, including the wages package
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by bluenine on Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:53 pm

From Serie A, some interesting options would include:
1. Frey / Viviano
2. Montolivo / Hernanes / Hamsik
3. Sanchez / Vargas

Some of them could be very expensive tho... however, Viviano, Montolivo & Vargas could come relatively cheaply.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by debaser on Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:09 pm

Kroos wrote:go for

HOLTBY (the best passer in germany)
baumann (the best goalkeeper talent we have, hes only 20)

you wont find better players at the same age, and Ferguson like kids, lets face it, you dont have the money to buy 3 proven players, including the wages package

When do Man Utd not have the money scratch They'll just add it to the debt and probably are willing to splash out this summer as it's last big chance be before the financial regs kick in (I think?). Wage bill will be losing VDS, Hargreaves, Owen, just lost Neville, and they can factor in that Giggs and Scholes probably only have another year..
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Luis on Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:11 pm

S4P wrote:
Luis wrote:
Fey wrote:

Reina is a bit overrated, besides EPL players are feckin expensive.

VDS--Stekelenburg, better then Reina and was the successor of VDS for Oranje.


Reina has consistently been one of, if not the best keepers in the best league in the world for the last 5 seasons or so. Stekelenburg has spent all his career in a micky mouse league. Sure he had a great world cup but Reina doesn't get the chance to play for Spain so you can only judge him on club football.

Yet another ridiculous claim from Fey.

You've been listening to Jamie Redknapp too much.

Have I? Or have I just seen him every game and saw how brilliant he is and how many golden gloves he's won in that time amongst breaking Liverpool records?
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Calidad on Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:14 pm

Batman wrote:

If you were a scout for Man Utd, then who would you recommend to SAF to sign to replace van der Sar, Scholes and Giggs for next season?

E.g. from the Prem:
Reina
Modric
Bale

But signing these 3 players would be unrealistic.

Think all three are fantastic choices, though I imagine the liklihood of Spuds selling Bale + Modric in the same season, let alone to the same club very unlikely.

Reina of course is a very differt sort of keeper to VDS, but he is a very good one.

Scholes + Giggs are going to be incredibly difficult to replace regardless of who is brought in, but Modric and Bale are good choices.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Batman on Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:27 am

At the moment the rumours suggest the replacements will be:

van der Sa (40) = David de Gea (20)

Scholes (36) = ?

Giggs (37) = Ashley Young (25)

Also...

Hargreaves (30) = Jack Rodwell (20)


Can some of the La Liga followers tell me how good David de Gea is?
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by fcb on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:33 pm

Very talented, good in all aspects of the game, commanding presence even though he's inexperienced...and crucially, has the height to meet the challenge of crosses/long balls that he'll face if he moves to England.

But the big problem is that he's just 20 years old. Signing a 20 year old to be your first choice keeper, esp. for a huge amount of money, is Wenger-esque stupidity. Sure, he's done great so far for Atletico, but we've seen that in the week-in, week-out pressure of a top club, a young keeper is bound to make mistakes.

Personally, I think Stekelenburg is a much better buy right now. I'd even go for Neuer over De Gea, the former is still pretty young (25 for a keeper is like 18 for a striker) but has more experience - already played a World Cup!
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Jaime on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:52 pm

The thing with De Gea is like kas says his age. His decision making, which you would expect, is not great all the times. He relies a lot on his reflexes but still has a lot to learn about positioning. If Man Utd don't mind a keeper that is going to be brilliant sometimes and inconsistent and make mistakes other times then they should go for De Gea. But if they are going to spend the 20-25m euro that is being quoted you would think they would want a more finished product.


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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Calidad on Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:48 pm

Jaime wrote:The thing with De Gea is like kas says his age. His decision making, which you would expect, is not great all the times. He relies a lot on his feflexes but still has a lot to learn about positioning. If Man Utd don't mind a keeper that is going to be brilliant sometimes and inconsistent and make mistakes other times then they should go for De Gea. But if they are going to spend the 20-25m euro that is being quoted you would think they would want a more finished product.

Agreed. De Gea is still learning the game, and is prone to mistakes, though his potential is clear to see. Think a move at this stage of his career to a club like Utd is a huge risk for both parties.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Kroos on Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:52 pm

never a good idea to make a talent the follower of an club legend and World class keeper

in every situation degea will be compared to vandersar, also the huge amount of money that he cost will not help to keep the pressure down

bayern made this mistakes with rensing and kraft, both now regarded as "they didnt make it as kahn follower", one is playing for a midtable team and kraft will most likely end there aswell
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Post by fcb on Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:39 pm

Kroos wrote:never a good idea to make a talent the follower of an club legend and World class keeper

in every situation degea will be compared to vandersar, also the huge amount of money that he cost will not help to keep the pressure down

bayern made this mistakes with rensing and kraft, both now regarded as "they didnt make it as kahn follower", one is playing for a midtable team and kraft will most likely end there aswell

But that's the thing with young keepers - if they are genuinely talented, playing regularly at a small club is the best thing to do. They will do a good job for that team, and occasional mistakes will not have such harsh consequences. And then when they're good enough, they will inevitably end up at a big team.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Fey on Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:14 pm

I agree 20 years is way to young to be the main keeper of Man utd. Hence I feel Manu should go for Stekelenburg. Neuer is also good, but will be more expensive, besides im not a fan of German keepers abroad.

As for Young, good player for a club like Villa...but can he really replace GiggityGiggs?
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Batman on Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:24 pm

For CM we have been heavily linked to

Sneijder and Modric

In your opinion, which player would be the better signing for Man Utd?
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Pras_tama on Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:37 pm

Sneijder for sure
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Hlebagone on Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:43 pm

Modric without a doubt.

Sneijder is a rich man's Lampards. Man Utd need someone to conduct the midfield.
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by shazlx on Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:44 pm

Go for Nasri...
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Batman on Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:52 pm

Hlebagone wrote:Modric without a doubt.

Sneijder is a rich man's Lampards. Man Utd need someone to conduct the midfield.

agree with your point but having someone that can score goals from midfield wouldnt be a bad thing. goals from midfield last season in the Prem:

Nani - 9
Park - 5
Giggs - 2
Fletcher - 2
Anderson - 1
Valencia - 1
Scholes - 1
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Re: Replacing 3 greats.....

Post by Batman on Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:52 pm

shazlx wrote:Go for Nasri...

Would be great signing, but i doubt it will happen

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