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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by Super Progress on Tue May 31, 2011 8:27 pm

Allez les rouges wrote:
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Allez les rouges wrote:Sad is this the Damascene volte-face of one who has turned his back forever on the beautiful game?!

The team looks defensively formidable but propped up by over-the-hill brute force, I like to think it would get what it deserved.
Destruction is beautiful
And I agree that this team would get what it deserved, VICTORY.

To be serious I don't see how this is a team of brute force. Carvalho/Maicon/Alonso/Gerrard/Di Maria are all pretty good on the ball and Lucio/Pepe/Bommel/Drogba are hardly donkey's either. So I don't get what you are talking about. If I wanted a team that was only physical then I would have had a central defence of Samuel-Vidic and a midfield of Essien/Mascherano/Melo.

Well negativity is one thing but I can only wonder if you genuinely think Gerrard, van Bommel, Drogba and di Maria would make much of an impact on Pique, Puyol, Alves, Abidal, Busquets et al. I rate Drogba highly, would have called him the best in the world till very recently but really, even United have more impressive attackers than that.
The point of Bommel is that he is good at bossing the midfield and he can pass and shoot. Gerrard while he doesn't quite have the pace anymore he is still dangerous on the counter and with his through passes and long shots. I don't know why you mention Drogba at all. He is somebody who gives trouble to most defences and makes things easier for his teammates with his hold up play. Di Maria works almost as much as Kuyt but has pace and the ability to exploit the space behind Alves if he gets proper passes,hence Alonso.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by Allez les rouges on Tue May 31, 2011 8:44 pm

Drogba is great but arguably past his best, and I just don't see how an assortment of what others less kind than me would dismiss as "facking runners" behind him will be enough against Barcelona (including two players in Gerrard and van Bommel who are respectively definitely and in all probability on the slide), for all Alonso's kaleidoscopic passing range. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree Ale
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 31, 2011 10:01 pm

The key to beating (not just containing) Barcelona is to reduce their possession dominance to healthy levels (around 60%). You don't just need aggressive ball winners (or 'facking runners') in midfield for that, but players who can win and pass the ball, who don't lose possession easily and manage to take advantage of the breaks. Pace up front doesn't hurt either, especially on the wings.

As I wrote numerous times, the most difficult obstacle in beating this Barcelona side is their ridiculously aggressive and effective early pressing, which they did not have under Rijkaard, most definitely not to this degree / perfection. That's why you need players who are comfortable on the ball on every position. A keeper who can play like a sweeper doesn't hurt either.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by Isco Benny on Tue May 31, 2011 10:43 pm

So where's your team Blut? Get those splinters out of your backside sat on the fence and put your money where your mouth is you schweinehund
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 31, 2011 10:51 pm

I'd need to think about that a little, which I'm too lazy to.

Besides, don't you think that the thread title is incredibly arrogant? It's probably just me though.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by debaser on Tue May 31, 2011 10:56 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:I'd need to think about that a little, which I'm too lazy to.

Besides, don't you think that the thread title is incredibly arrogant? It's probably just me though.

I'd say you're fairly arrogant, but not incredibly arrogant Ale
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by Isco Benny on Tue May 31, 2011 10:58 pm

Is it arrogance once confirmed though? No one can deny Barca are operating on a level above anything seen at club or international football currently, and some would argue ever. Not me though, I'm not that brave

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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by Sheffield gunner on Tue May 31, 2011 11:08 pm

blutgraetsche wrote: A keeper who can play like a sweeper doesn't hurt either.

I was thinking about this earlier today (it beats doing my work, at any rate). I couldn't decide if this is true, or if a reaction, shot-stopper is better. I was working on the assumption that most teams end up sitting fairly deep against Barcelona, so there is less space between defence and goalkeeper for the keeper to cover. I would say that coming off the line quickly is important, but mostly within the penalty box, and not too often coming thirty yards out. For me it's more of a case of being quick off the line and being a good one-on-one stopper. Equally, a goalkeeper who comes out and commands the box from crosses is less important against them. Good and quick distribution is definitely vital though. Someone who kicks it away cheaply badly undermines their team.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 31, 2011 11:49 pm

debaser wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:I'd need to think about that a little, which I'm too lazy to.

Besides, don't you think that the thread title is incredibly arrogant? It's probably just me though.

I'd say you're fairly arrogant, but not incredibly arrogant Ale

Don't confuse my teutonic condidence with arrogance. Ale
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 31, 2011 11:51 pm

Noah und der Bale wrote:Is it arrogance once confirmed though? No one can deny Barca are operating on a level above anything seen at club or international football currently, and some would argue ever. Not me though, I'm not that brave

No, but it's still quite pompous to ask for a world XI, as if they are out of this world, when a very earthly Real Madrid side beat them in the cup final a month ago.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by S4P on Tue May 31, 2011 11:53 pm

Puro wrote:So you see Mourinho has never really beaten Barcelona, and on the contrary he's gotten his ass thoroughly whooped! SO MANY THINGS HAVE TO BREAK JUST RIGHT FOR A MOURINHO COACHED TEAM TO BEAT BARCELONA.

What excuses can you come up with for this one, I wonder?:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6050878.stm
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 31, 2011 11:54 pm

Sheffield gunner wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote: A keeper who can play like a sweeper doesn't hurt either.

I was thinking about this earlier today (it beats doing my work, at any rate). I couldn't decide if this is true, or if a reaction, shot-stopper is better. I was working on the assumption that most teams end up sitting fairly deep against Barcelona, so there is less space between defence and goalkeeper for the keeper to cover. I would say that coming off the line quickly is important, but mostly within the penalty box, and not too often coming thirty yards out. For me it's more of a case of being quick off the line and being a good one-on-one stopper. Equally, a goalkeeper who comes out and commands the box from crosses is less important against them. Good and quick distribution is definitely vital though. Someone who kicks it away cheaply badly undermines their team.

The reason why I believe it to be important is that I think that against Barcelona, pressing early yourself is important. Real Madrid looked best against them when they defended higher up the pitch and pressed them very aggressively, often in their own half. So with a high line defence, a 'sweeper like' goalie becomes rather important.

Of course other factors you mentioned like good distribution are important, too. Basically, I'd opt for an excellent footballing goalie.

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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by Glenarch of the Glen on Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:03 am

Kroos wrote:
fcb wrote:
Kroos wrote:easy, die MANNSCHAFT is cleary the 3rd best team in the world after barca and spain, when you look at there system and individuals


Yes, but the point of this thread is a team that can beat Barça. So far die MANNSCHAFT has not been able to do so.

it was quite close, one standard situation and the the highly missed müller saved you Wink


now germany has more depth, trochowski will never play for germany again, also özil was pretty much wasted in the centre

i think bayern and germany have the players to beat spain/barca, bayern lacked so far the organisation on the field, and germany just lacks the experience

bayern/germany has far better individual class than most club sides, i wish bayern would have manus organisation

germany vs. spain

------------neuer

boateng-höwedes-hummels-lahm

-----khedira---schweini
---------kroos

müller----gomez-----özil

the midfield is a great combination of passing, steel and keeping possession, players like podolski pretty much useless against the likes of spain


bayern vs. barca


----------neuer

rafinha-boateng-badstuber-lahm

-----tymo----schweini
---------kroos

robben---gomez-müller

i would never play ribery against barca, his useless runs and dribblings would kill us Very Happy


is Helmes not rated ahead of Gomez? I don't want to come all over Pierre (that would be revolting) but surely he's your Villa?
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by Kroos on Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:57 am



is this somekind of an insider! because you cant be serious, helmes was never rated Wink
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by shazlx on Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:06 am

-----------Szczesny

Eboue----Djourou----Koscienly----A.Cole

--------Yaya-----Wilshire

-----------Fabregas

---Walcott-------------Nasri
------------Van Persie


I reckon a fully fit version of this team, with a decent referee would beat Barcelona...
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by shazlx on Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:07 am

blutgraetsche wrote:
Noah und der Bale wrote:Is it arrogance once confirmed though? No one can deny Barca are operating on a level above anything seen at club or international football currently, and some would argue ever. Not me though, I'm not that brave

No, but it's still quite pompous to ask for a world XI, as if they are out of this world, when a very earthly Real Madrid side beat them in the cup final a month ago.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by debaser on Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:37 am

shazlx wrote:-----------Szczesny

Eboue----Djourou----Koscienly----A.Cole

--------Yaya-----Wilshire

-----------Fabregas

---Walcott-------------Nasri
------------Van Persie


I reckon a fully fit version of this team, with a decent referee would beat Barcelona...

You replace the LB and DM but you keep Djourou & Koscielny?! Djourou in particular was a mess against Barcelona.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by Allez les rouges on Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:57 am

shazlx wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:
Noah und der Bale wrote:Is it arrogance once confirmed though? No one can deny Barca are operating on a level above anything seen at club or international football currently, and some would argue ever. Not me though, I'm not that brave

No, but it's still quite pompous to ask for a world XI, as if they are out of this world, when a very earthly Real Madrid side beat them in the cup final a month ago.
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Before you crucify Kas on this one I would point out that there was at least one article (the Alan Smith one I mentioned) bringing up this very topic, which seemed a reasonable one in the circumstances. And it's a general debate, of the kind that has often been had, at least in other sports, with other all-conquering sides such as the all-conquering Australian cricket side of a few years ago (where there was indeed a Test against a World XI; cf. NZ v Barbarians in rugby days of yore). Admittedly maybe doesn't look so good when a fan of the team itself raises the subject.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by fcb on Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:24 pm

Yes, I wasn't trying to portray any kind of "go on, what's the best you can do to stop Barça" attitude. Just thought the article from Alan Smith (that was indeed the one which inspired me for this thread) was interesting and EMB could do better than some of his suggestions.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by Jaime on Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:05 pm

Here you go kas:


----------------Casillas

S. Ramos-----Pepe-----Carvalho-----Marcelo

----------Alonso------J. Martinez

-----------------Silva

Ronaldo---------Higuain----------Di Maria
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by shazlx on Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:59 pm

debaser wrote:
shazlx wrote:-----------Szczesny

Eboue----Djourou----Koscienly----A.Cole

--------Yaya-----Wilshire

-----------Fabregas

---Walcott-------------Nasri
------------Van Persie


I reckon a fully fit version of this team, with a decent referee would beat Barcelona...

You replace the LB and DM but you keep Djourou & Koscielny?! Djourou in particular was a mess against Barcelona.
The were very good in the 1st leg when they had some proper midfield protection. In the second leg we had Diaby, Rosicky and an unfit and traitorous Fabregas.

Anyway my general point was I really should have elaborated on is that you don't need a world XI to beat Barca, most of the big teams with 2-4 personal changes would be competitive against them.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by shazlx on Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:07 pm

Allez les rouges wrote:
shazlx wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:
Noah und der Bale wrote:Is it arrogance once confirmed though? No one can deny Barca are operating on a level above anything seen at club or international football currently, and some would argue ever. Not me though, I'm not that brave

No, but it's still quite pompous to ask for a world XI, as if they are out of this world, when a very earthly Real Madrid side beat them in the cup final a month ago.
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Before you crucify Kas on this one I would point out that there was at least one article (the Alan Smith one I mentioned) bringing up this very topic, which seemed a reasonable one in the circumstances. And it's a general debate, of the kind that has often been had, at least in other sports, with other all-conquering sides such as the all-conquering Australian cricket side of a few years ago (where there was indeed a Test against a World XI; cf. NZ v Barbarians in rugby days of yore). Admittedly maybe doesn't look so good when a fan of the team itself raises the subject.
If I wanted to have a go at Kas I would have but my post was genuine. I wanted to show it doesn't take and world eleven to beat Barcelona. Arsenal proved that, as did Inter the year before and Chelsea the year before.

Anyway the tile of the thread is the anti- Barca team so it seems a bit strange that people have put their world IX sans Barca player.

He is my specialist anti Barca team specificallly to play against their game..

-------------Cassilas

Kompany----Koscienly----Thiago Silva

-----------Modric----------------Marcelo

------Fabregas------Yaya

---Eto------Higuain---Rooney

The biggest issue when playing them is their pressing. Doing your own pressing seems to be the best way to play against them.


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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by COTR on Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:12 pm

..................Reina

Arbeloa.....Lucio.......Kompany.....Cole

...........Alonso........Toure
.................Gerrard
....Kuyt.......................Bale
..................Eto

Manager: Benitez
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:16 pm

Rijkaard's Barcelona can't be compared to Pep's, especially this season. The additional defensive stability / aggressiveness and those extra 10% of possession on average make them considerably more difficult to beat.
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Re: The anti-Barcelona World XI

Post by Hlebagone on Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:11 am

Don't see why lots of people are chucking in Drogba. He can win all the headers he likes on his own, but it makes no difference if there's no one there to pick up the knock ons. Which there never is against Barca. I'd rather have a deep number 9 that can release the hard working wingers. Step forward Totti, accompanied by Nasri and De Maria.

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