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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:23 pm

Fuchs scores a freekick and makes it 2-4! Great comeback by the Orcs.

Most entertaining league in ze wörld. Ale
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Post by Kroos on Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:31 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Interesting stats of the Werder match (distance run in metres, average speed (km/h), top speed (km/h), number of sprints):

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Marko Marin   12929.9   8.28   34.02   12
Aaron Hunt   12665.68   8.14   30.85   15
Philipp Bargfrede   12218.17   7.85   28.4   9
Lukas Schmitz   11964.22   7.67   30.96   13
Per Mertesacker   11834.25   7.6   31.03   8
Andreas Wolf   11731.08   7.52   30.17   8
Sokratis   11338.98   7.27   29.77   7
Claudio Pizarro   11108.45   7.96   28.69   12
Clemens Fritz   10308.32   8.1   29.05   14
Markus Rosenberg   7610.39   7.38   30.53   11
Tim Wiese   4637.36   2.99   21.06   0
Marko Arnautovic   4213.73   7.99   29.63   5
Wesley   2390.93   8.39   30.17   3
Mehmet Ekici   1097.92   6.8   24.7   1

Marin ran the most and was the fastest player on the pitch. So much about him being too weak physically.

P.S.: I checked the other teams, and Marin actually covered the most ground of all players this weekend.

indeed impressive stats from marin

but he needs more muscles, otherwise he will never get ride of his weaknesses, he would become a more explosive and consistent player
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:40 pm

lol! at your muscles obsession. He's actually one of the very fastest players, too, only Hoffenheim's Salihovic was slightly faster (top speed).

But yes, a bit of bulk wouldn't hurt. Doesn't hurt Götze at least...
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:21 pm

Hannover - Hertha 1-1 FT

Gladbach remain at the top of the table for the time being.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:37 pm

"Angela Oenning"



http://www.11freunde.de/liveticker/142642/angela_oenning


lol!

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Post by Xavier on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:24 pm

I think it's be a race between Solbakken and Oenning to be the first sacked... neither seem to have a clue what they're doing at the moment.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:28 pm

Köln improved a lot though and actually should have won their match. It seems like Solbakken is finally getting through to the players.

H*V on the other hand...
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:54 pm

Picture-perfect Wesley brings Werder Bremen's start back into focus

Werder Bremen lost their way intermittently last season but now seem back on track judging by their thrilling performance against Freiburg

Raphael Honigstein
Monday 22 August 2011


Slow, methodical, organised, defensive, weak-minded, strong-willed, aggressive, collective, individualistic, pacy, gung-ho, disjointed, counter-attacking, not-at-all-attacking: a certain UK TV pundit – clue: his cone-stacking abilities are sorely missed in SW6 – could not have picked a better weekend to expertly assert that "in Germany, all teams play the same way" – our hero said the same about Spain, by the way, a point that really cannot be argued. The uniformity of approach of all these Josés and Fernandos currently goes as far as NOT playing the same way, as well, it seems.

In truth, the last remnants of a tactical diktat in the Bundesliga disappeared in the mid-90s, of course, when a diverse gang of forward-thinkers like Bixente Lizarazu, Ralf Rangnick and Erich Ribbeck introduced the joys of a flat back four to an unsuspecting public.

The ensuing years have seen traditionalists and reformists locked in fierce battles (one Germany player told this column in 2002 that 3-5-2 was preferable "because in a 4-4-2, too many of those at the back don't have anything to do", and four years later Paul Breitner was still advocating the return of the sweeper system) while the mercilessly short half-life period of managers has further ensured that no club, let alone the whole league, ever developed something akin to a succinct style.

The exception are Werder Bremen. They had 14 years of Otto Rehhagel, the fine purveyor of "controlled offence" and Goethe aphorisms. Then they tried a host of other coaches, before going back to their Kylie-inspired policy (as in Better the Devil You Know, not Je Ne Sais Pas Pourqoui): Thomas Schaaf is now in his 14th campaign at the Weserstadion.

Last season, Werder intermittently lost their way a bit and nearly went down. Schaaf's rule seemed to have gone stale but despite an internal transfer-embargo due to a lack of cash and plenty of uncertainty surrounding the future of some key players – Per Mertesacker and Claudio Pizarro continue to be linked, mostly by Werder's sporting director Klaus Allofs, it has to be said, with moves abroad – they seem to have found themselves again.

In the turbulent 5-3 win over Freiburg on Saturday they were back to their kamikaze best in patches as Schaaf, whose midfield diamond really is forever, stuck to his sometimes winning but always entertaining formula: overload at the top – forget about defending in numbers and just go for it. Once again they have goals written all over them, like a library of self-help books.

"Our set-up was very attacking and we were playing an extremely risky game," said Marko Marin, who had done well as the creative pivot behind the two strikers Pizarro and Markus Rosenberg. "We were pressing high up the pitch from the get-go. It's obvious that there'll be gaps at the back and that the opposition will create chances." Mertesacker sounded rather more exasperated: "It was Harakiri football, with mistakes that we don't want to have any more."

Werder, as is their wont, so nearly stumbled on to their own sword. Nobody intercepted a cross that bounced off Papiss Demba Cissé's chest into the net on seven minutes and it took the hosts a bit of time to start playing cultured football again. After Clemens Fritz had equalised, however, it was all Werder until the break. Pizarro's goal that made it 2-1 to them was scant reward for their dominance.

Back came Cissé to take advantage of more slack defending, then Schaaf's substitute Marko Arnautovic used his head for a change and nodded home Werder's third. But the Northerners love nothing more than winning matches three times over and duly let Stefan Reisinger equalise again on 84 minutes, only to kill the visitors off with two more goals (Aaron Hunt, penalty; Wesley) in the final 240 seconds, to seal the club's 700th victory in the top-flight.

Wesley found a novel way to steal the headlines after his goal, or perhaps he was just keen to supplement his income: the 24-year-old picked up a camera and snapped Arnautovic celebrating with the fans. One or two newspapers actually ran the half-decent picture on Monday, but the whole incident does make you wonder whether the Brazilian misinterpreted some dressing-room grumbles. What was it they said about the Austrian answer to Mario Balotelli needing to be shot?

"It was a spectacle for the supporters but I would have preferred it to be bit quieter," said Schaaf, whose dour, provincial railway-station officer vibe will never cease to jar with his team's carefree attitude.

The last time Werder started this well (six points from nine) was five years ago, when they ended up in third place.

It is questionable whether their romantic notion of outscoring the opposition is quite as viable in a league that has since made a lot of progress in tactical terms. But there's something utterly charming about their monolithic strategy and they also remain a lazy pundit's dream: unlike all of Germany, they really do play the same way, always.

Talking points

• If further proof was still needed that playing the same way can be a very dangerous game, it was provided by Mainz on Sunday. Thomas Tuchel's men were 2-0 up against Schalke after 12 minutes; waves of attacks threatened to flush the dozy visitors out of the stadium. But the introduction of Jefferson Farfán and Julian Draxler stemmed the tide after the interval.

Suddenly, the Royal Blues remembered that they can actually play a bit, too. Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, Benedikt Höwedes and Joël Matip scored on the way to a remarkable turnaround, before the Mainz old boy Christian Fuchs, booed at every turn, capped the afternoon with a great free-kick. To Tuchel's credit, he took personal responsibility for the 4-2 defeat. "We should have played much deeper in the second half; it was very hot," he said. "It would have been better to cede the initiative to Schalke and use the space for counterattacks. That's my fault".

For the Schalke manager, Ralf Rangnick, the unlikely win could not have come at a better time. He was already under severe pressure following an embarrassing 2-0 defeat at HJK Helsinki last Thursday. Rául, who surprisingly turned down the chance to watch plenty of balls sail over his head for less money (that's how they play in Blackburn and everywhere else in England, one highly-placed source told this column) has announced he's staying until the end of the season, too.

• Hamburg's sporting director Frank Arnesen is a man on a mission. His mission? To buy up every Chelsea youngster and reserve player who does not have somewhere else to go. On Monday, less than 48 hours after his new Hamburg had been destroyed 5-0 by Bayern Munich in a "public training session" (Süddeutsche Zeitung) – even Mario Gomez scored – at the Allianz Arena, the Dane bought yet another Chelsea player: the defender Slobodan Rajkovic, 22, recently on-loan at Vitesse Arnhem, will be his fifth import from west London. After the debacle in Bavaria, Arnesen issued a "job guarantee" for the coach Michael Oenning and defended his radical youth policy. But there is a worrying sense that this kind of reform will eventually find its natural habitat in the second division.

• In Gladbach, relief about Stefan Effenberg's failed summer coup – the former Borussia Mönchengladbach midfielder wanted to install himself as sporting director – is growing by the minute. Three months after coming through a relegation play-off against VfL Bochum, the Foals are running wild at the other end of the table. An emphatic 4-1 win over VfL Wolfsburg (and Thomas Hitzlsperger) on Friday night catapulted Lucien Favre's team into pole position, but they have Robert Hartmann to thank for staying there.

The referee somehow managed to rule out the Hannover defender Christian Pander's perfectly good goal against Hertha. Hannover are second on goal difference after the 1-1 draw with Markus Babbel's side and on course for a big pay-day in the Europa League group stage, if they can hold off Sevilla in the return leg this week after an exciting 2-1 home win on Thursday. Schalke are unlikely to join them.

• Three games into his career as coach in the Bundesliga and Stale Solbakken has truly arrived – his superior has now also declared a vote of confidence in the wake of Köln's 1-1 draw with Kaiserslautern. The Norwegian's conceptual approach is yet to translate into half-decent performances but the sporting director Volker Finke told Norwegian reporters that the new manager was hired for "two, three years, not weeks."

Finke also dismissed rumours about Lukas Podolski moving to Galatasaray – "we have no interest in selling" – but it's understandable that the 26-year-old would consider escaping Germany – unlike any other player, his status is threatened by the league's pesky new habit of publishing players's personal data like the number of sprints, metres covered, etc.

Results: Gladbach 4-1 Wolfsburg, Augsburg 0-2 Hoffenheim, Stuttgart 0-1 Leverkusen, Dortmund 2-0 Nürnberg, Köln 1-1 Kaiserslautern, Werder 5-3 Freiburg, Bayern 5-0 Hamburg, Hannover 1-1 Hertha, Mainz 2-4 Schalke.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/aug/22/wesley-werder-bremen-bundesliga
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:46 pm

Kicker MOTM of this weeks matches:

Gladbach - Wolfsburg: Reus
Augsburg - Hoffenheim: Starke
Dortmund - Nürnberg: Timmy Simons
Bayern - HSV: Robben
Stuttgart - Leverkusen: Rolfes
Bremen - Freiburg: Marin
Köln - Kaiserslautern: Trapp
Mainz - Schalke: Farfan
Hannover - Hertha: Zieler

Four German internationals (three of them 22 years old) plus Trapp who is German U21 international. Homegrown players heaven. Ale
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:12 am



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUUxk92XoPs

Ale
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Post by Xavier on Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:35 am

Don't know how Zieler was MOTM in the Berlin game... there were several outfield players on both teams who better deserved it, namely Niemeyer for Hertha and Schmiedebach or Pinto for Hannover.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:25 pm

Kicker's reasoning was that Zieler secured the draw for Hannover with a number of good saves. From the outfield players, only Pinto got the same rating (2,5):

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/2011-12/3/1143308/spielanalyse_hannover-96-58_hertha-bsc-29.html
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Post by Xavier on Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:25 pm

RAFFAEL scores four minutes from time (against Stuttgart) to seal Berlin's first victory of the season... cheers
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Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:27 pm

Do you like Hertha? What's wrong with you?!?! Very Happy
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Post by Xavier on Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:42 pm

Everything, but that's besides the point!

It seems like I can only be a fan of the 'darker' Bundesliga teams (Berlin, Leverkusen, Orcs...), hehehe
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Post by anglophileHedgehog on Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:19 pm

Lieber VfB,

Newsflash: Auch in der Hinrunde kann man Fußball spielen.

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Post by Ä on Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:03 pm

funny how Babbel called the Berliner "grössenwahnsinnig"

Smile

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interview with Scholl

http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/fussball/2011/08/27/mehmet-scholl/ueber-netzer-schweini-und-grosse-frauen-tv-liebling-im-interview.html

the good lad is clearly FAR BETTER on TV than Netzer ever was

you do get the feeling though that his love for doing TV means he will never fully commit himself to becoming a proper manager, which is a real pity

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Post by Kroos on Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:41 pm

omg what a run from lahm, shame it hasnt ended in a goal

bayern plays a brilliant style, they have pressing added to there game
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:09 pm

First we concede the easiest of goals, then we strike back almost immediately (Arnautovic; high time that he starts). Business as usual.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:39 pm

Hoffenheim 'fans' are pathetic. The few Werder away fans are much louder all of the time.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:45 pm

Shit really hitting the fan for Angela Oenning. Köln leading 2-1 away in Hamburg.

Wolfsburg are getting spanked 3-0 by Freiburg. Magath... lol!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:48 pm

But Hamburg manage to equalise. Oenning safe... Smile

Edit: More than that, HSV actually take the lead! 3-2!

To be honest, I didn't expect that. They looked clueless for most of the match.
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Post by Kroos on Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:58 pm

3:0 bayern

3 goals gomez (2 penaltys)
3 assists müller
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:02 pm

This Rafati dude really is one of the worst referees in Europe. I seriously don't understand how he still has a job.
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Post by Kroos on Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:02 pm

our defensive work is impressive

kaiserslautern didnt have a single chance me thinks
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:09 pm

Werder forum comment:

"Babel........der war mal in Liverpool??? Kloputzer oder was?"

lol!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:10 pm

YES! Rosenberg! 2-1! Great goal.

Now don't fuck up in the remaining minutes!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:12 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:But Hamburg manage to equalise. Oenning safe... Smile

Edit: More than that, HSV actually take the lead! 3-2!

To be honest, I didn't expect that. They looked clueless for most of the match.

And now Köln equalised again. 3-3! What a match...
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:17 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:But Hamburg manage to equalise. Oenning safe... Smile

Edit: More than that, HSV actually take the lead! 3-2!

To be honest, I didn't expect that. They looked clueless for most of the match.

And now Köln equalised again. 3-3! What a match...

Köln take the lead. 3-4!

Oenning... lol!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:22 pm

Very important win today. We conceded first but came back again, something we didn't even managed once last season. Not the best match from both teams, but a mature and surprisingly solid performance by us, at least for most of the match.

Bayern at the top of the table, Werder second. But Hannover and Gladbach still haven't played yet.

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