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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:05 pm

Anyone watching Sportschau? What a great goal by Makiadi against Wolfsburg!

Cissé really is a class striker. Freiburg ask for €15m and he'd be worth every penny. Wonder why nobody has made a serious bid yet.
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Post by Kroos on Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:16 pm

no i watch

lev-bvb

and bvb is really shocking shit, they play mostly long balls, there game has completely changed

no pace, no fine passing

me thinks they will not do well in the CL

leverkusen should already lead 2:0
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:24 pm

As I wrote in the CL thread, they are in a slump these days and need to get back on track first before they can even think about progressing from their group. Their 2-0 win against Nürnberg last week was very flattering.

But Leverkusen are no mugs either, let us not forget that.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:33 pm

That run by Lahm was vintage LB Lahm, absolute top class, totally deserved a goal.

If Götze made that run you'd never hear the end of it... Wink
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Post by Kroos on Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:52 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:As I wrote in the CL thread, they are in a slump these days and need to get back on track first before they can even think about progressing from their group. Their 2-0 win against Nürnberg last week was very flattering.

But Leverkusen are no mugs either, let us not forget that.

yeah thats the problem of the bvb, they set the benchmark pretty high

its almost impossible to fullfill the expectations


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Post by Kroos on Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:52 pm

red card cadlec
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:54 pm

What a great match HSV-Köln was. Amazing. HSV didn't really deserve to lose the match, but Köln played well, too. It really had everything.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:02 pm

Kroos wrote:
yeah thats the problem of the bvb, they set the benchmark pretty high

its almost impossible to fullfill the expectations



Götze clearly isn't fit. BVB are too reliant on their creative players, and if they're not sharp, their game suffers.

Klopp doesn't seem to trust Leitner (yet). That would be the type of player who could add a creative spark.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:03 pm

What a save by Leno! Kagawa really had to score that!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:05 pm

WTF? Straight red for Götze!

Stupid by Götze but straight red is too harsh. Second booking would have been sufficient, he'd be sent off anyway.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:12 pm

Hummels is such a threat at set pieces. We should really try to take advantage of that more in the NT, too.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:15 pm

What a dramatic final 10 minutes of the game. Both teams going for it, trying to win. End to end stuff.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:20 pm

Leverkusen - Dortmund 0-0FT

Interesting match, both teams are probably satisfied with the point. The winnners of the matchday however have been Bayern.
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Post by Xavier on Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:14 am

Really pleased (and surprised) at the advances we have made on the defensive side of things... still haven't conceded since that Mainz debacle... the main problem now seems to be to get Augusto and Sam back to last season's form, and to establish better interplay between them and Schürrle, who looks kinda like a carbon copy of Robben in these early stages... likes to shoot across the keeper from range, fast, strong on the ball especially going inside, and notably selfish! Our strikers need to step it up, too... Kießling works a lot, but we have to get that extra bit of quality from him and Derdiyok if we're going to score goals.

Really pleased with Leno, too; what a find he was!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:34 pm

Perfect start for Mainz away to Hannover, leading after 2 minutes (Allagui).
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:07 pm

Abdellaoue equalised for Hannover. 1-1

Edit: 1-1 HT
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Post by Calidad on Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:34 pm

Schurlle(sp?) looks some player. I'm surprised that in comparision to Gotze he receives little hype.

What will be his best position?
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:43 pm

Second striker / supporting forward, or in the national team context, wing position (left or right, usually plays on the left) in the attacking midfield trio.

Schürrle is close to or has already replaced Podolski as a starter in the national team. He offers everything he does and quite a bit more, and is very mature for his young age. Götze gets more hype because of his ridiculous skill, technique and vision, but I agree that Schürrle is a great prospect, too. Because he offers more of a goal threat, Löw actually seems to prefer him so far, especially in the 4-2-3-1 system of ours.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:14 pm

Hannover - Mainz finished 1-1.

Schalke - Gladbach is a pretty interesting match so far. Even match and very intense, end-to-end stuff. 0-0 still.

One thing that has been obvious to me this season is that most Bundesliga clubs have improved dramatically in terms of tactics, particularly as far as defending as a team is concerned. Dortmund were pioneers in this regard, but other teams have caught up pretty quick.

Schalke - Gladbach 0-0 HT
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:49 pm

Gladbach are a really good team under Favre, but Reus stands out. No offence to Gladbach, but this kid is too good for them. Hope he finally makes his debut in the NT.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:53 pm

Raul scores for Schalke! First shot by Raul is saved by Ter Stegen (brilliant save), but he scores the rebound.

Schalke are in control now, the better team, and hence deserve the lead.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:00 pm

The atmosphere is ridiculous.

Hanke close with a header, nice save by Fährmann.

Schalke are improving quite a bit recently, look like a team to be reckoned with this season.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:05 pm

The pace of this match is amazing. Gladbach continue to counter, Schalke continue to attack. End to end stuff all the time, wonder how the players can keep it up.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:08 pm

Reus Blush

FFS this kid is good.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:22 pm

Schalke - Mönchengladbach 1-0 FT

Good win for Schalke. Bayern top the table, followed by Schalke and Werder.
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Post by Xavier on Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:33 am

As good as Reus was today, I think that Draxler was better... a bit sloppy on the final touch, but his movement was simply excellent, and he found great spaces to pop up in Gladbach's end.

Holtby disappointed...
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Post by Kroos on Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:38 am

this game was really good

the bundesliga has now so many teams which i enjoy to watch, outside the typical ones, and all of them competetive and have at least 1-2 players which really stand out

this league really gets better and better

reus and draxler were really the stand out players in this match, the movement of draxler is impressive, when you consider how tall he is, and just 17 years old
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:27 am

Xavier wrote:As good as Reus was today, I think that Draxler was better... a bit sloppy on the final touch, but his movement was simply excellent, and he found great spaces to pop up in Gladbach's end.

Holtby disappointed...

Oh no doubt he was, but Schalke are a better team than Gladbach, so Draxler doesn't stand out so much in comparison. The kid did great yesterday, he needs to become more consistent (that's what impresses me most about Reus), but Draxler is considerably younger, one of the youngest players in the league, if I'm not wrong the youngest starter. Great prospect, too, of course. The embarrassment of riches in German attacking talent...

Also agree on Holtby, crap match for him. He was great against Helsinki, so his problem also is consistency. Probably has to get used to playing in europe mid week.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:26 pm

Bayer Leverkusen and Borussia Dortmund draw on English influence

Two Champions League teams prepared for their meetings with Arsenal and Chelsea with a convincing display of English cliches

Raphael Honigstein
Monday 29 August 2011


The game so nearly had everything but it was the aftermath that it made it truly remarkable. Bayer 04 Leverkusen and Borussia Dortmund warmed up for next month's Champions League meetings with Chelsea and Arsenal (respectively) with an at times frantic 0-0 draw that magically – and fittingly enough – introduced two of English football's most cherished concepts to the Bundesliga discourse.

The first one, truth be told, was never explicitly mentioned yet its echo boomed heavily through the BayArena on Saturday night, a bit like Hoffenheim's anti-anti-Hoffenheim-chant-contraption. It reared its bald and less than pretty head on the hour mark, when the visitors were beginning to bring their fast attacking game to bear and Bayer were just losing some of their dominant air. In one excursion forward, the formidable Renato Augusto stomped through midfield like good old Lothar Matthäus, only to finish like good old Andreas Möller: he took Mats Hummels' outstreched leg as permission from the Köln/Bonn tower to take off just outside the box.

Umpteen replays established that the Germany international had indeed clipped the Bayer midfielder's wings ever so slightly but Renato Agusto had already been on his way down by then, while Hummels was trying his hardest to draw back from the tackle. It was both a foul and a dive, and it came with a multitude of possible, match-defining outcomes. Renato Augusto could have scored. Renato Augusto, already booked, could have walked. Hummels, already booked, too, could have walked. All of which begged one super-sized question. Why the hell didn't they just stay on their feet?

Hummels explained that he was expecting his opponent to shoot and was surprised that the 23-year-old had turned with the ball again. "I did touch him. If [the ref] blows the whistle, I have to go," admitted the centre-back. Renato Augusto's thought-process remained foggy but both players were spared further introspection by the referee Wolfgang Stark. The square-jawed bank employee and Andy Townsend impersonator awarded a free-kick, mysteriously kept his cards in his pockets (for once) and thus ensured that the situation remained in the realms of hypothetical relevance.

A couple of minutes later, however, everything did change. Michal Kadlec cut straight through Mario Götze from an impossible angle and was duly shown red. The champions were threatening to make their advantage count. Leverkusen were pushed back time and time again before Stark intervened once more. Following an innocuous looking tangle of legs between Hanno Balitsch and Götze, Borussia's creative linchpin stuck out his right foot. Balitsch was neither touched nor perturbed ("I didn't know what happened," he said later) but the über-officious Stark construed the half-hearted move as a bit of afters and reached for his rear pocket in the 78th minute. "The attempt is punishable in itself," the referee declared later – the fact that Götze had also spat in the vague direction of Balitsch had made the matter worse, he added.

One the touchline, Jürgen Klopp and his assistant Zeljko Buvac lost it. The latter was sent to the stand, the former shouted at every official he could find. After the final whistle, Sebastian Kehl, who hadn't been able to come on in time, pushed the fourth official. The Borussia manager was still enraged enough to attack the man from Sky a few minutes later live on air. "Verdammte Scheiße, why aren't you listening to what I'm saying?" Klopp barked. The journalist's crime had been to politely question the manager's assertion that Götze's red was a gross miscarriage of justice. "For some people who have never played football it might look like retribution but it was nothing," said the 43-year-old. "They both got tangled up. When Balitsch moves his leg, he's also moving up Mario's leg."

So far, so bad. But Klopp went further, into uncharted territory, at least as far as the Bundesliga was concerned. In the process, 27 August 2011 became a day for German history books: it saw the first ever Bundesliga appearance of what is technically known as the Lee Cattermole defence. Oh yes, they did. All and sundry in black and yellow lined up to state that Götze emphatically wasn't that type of player.

"He's only trying to extricate himself there. Anyone who knows the boy, knows that he wouldn't do such a thing," said Dortmund's CEO, Hans-Joachim Watzke. "The boy wants to play football but constantly gets mowed down. We shouldn't confuse perpetrator and victim," said the sporting director, Michael Zorc. Chief defence counsel "Kloppo" hammered home the point: "I believe the personality of a player should inform the (referee's) evaluation. Mario is the last one to engage in violent conduct. He's used to getting tackled hard since he's 13 and never retaliated. Why would he start now?"

That's indeed an interesting question but one cannot possibly expect a Bavarian automaton like Stark to look for answers in the midst of battle. If anything, Götze was actually lucky to escape with a yellow seven minutes prior to his expulsion when he had needlessly left a boot in the midriff of Bayer's splendid Bernd Leno, 19, the latest in an endless array of excellent young keepers. Maybe "the German Messi" (Stern) was simply frustrated with having a relatively quiet afternoon, these things happen. The Leverkusen forward André Schürrle had put him in the shade with some thrilling runs.

Klopp will undoubtedly face the consequences of losing his head on the sidelines. It wasn't the first time, and it wasn't simply a rush of blood either, as Neue Ruhr Zeitung somewhat naively diagnosed. "Klopp doesn't act," they wrote. "Klopp is simply Klopp, even when he steps out of line. He truly believes (in Götze). And he rages because he doesn't see it any other way." To believe that is to seriously underestimate the dark side that lurks behind the floppy-haired, hoodie-wearing, I'm-your-best-buddy image. As a keen follower of the Premier League, Klopp is partial to a bit of managerial smoke-screening and official-pressuring His over-the-top reactions may have been fuelled by a real sense of injustice but it was also a piece of Narrentheater (puppet theatre), carefully staged for the benefit of the German FA's disciplinary panel. A plea of leniency, if you will, dressed up as middle-aged outrage. Klopp is precisely that kind of manager, too.

Talking Points

• "We want to sign another attacking player. I have several options on my list", said THE Hamburg sporting director Frank Arnesen on Sunday, while (presumably) poring over the latest match reports from the Chelsea reserves. The day before, his side lost a helter-skelter relegation battle 3-4 at home to Köln and slumped to 18th place. "This was actually our best game so far, we need to disassociate ourself from the table", argued the HSV coach, Michael Oenning. The board seem happy to toe that slightly delusional line but not forever. Off the record, there's a deadline: Oenning will need to whip this sorry bunch into shape by Christmas, at the latest.

The fortunate win – Köln were 3-2 down with six minutes to go – eased the pressure on their manager Stale Solbakken. "This was not a game for coaches with pacemaker", quipped the Norwegian.

• Philipp Lahm, in case you haven't heard yet, has written a book. "The Fine Difference" details the 27-year-old career ascent but is so short on scandal and juicy tidbits that his stating of the obvious has been manufactured into a scandal instead. Jürgen Klinsmann didn't care about tactics, Felix Magath was cruel and Rudi Völler's coaching regime had all the intensity of a "holiday camp" (Lahm)? Why, I never! The Bayern Munich and Germany captain has been widely condemned for publicly confirming the full magnitude of ineptitude that still exists at the heart of German football. It's classic case for shooting the (small, doe-eyed) messenger though. The worrisome message itself got lost in the fake anger.

At Bayern, players have seen the funny side, however. "We're all making jokes in the changing room", revealed Bastian Schweinsteiger in another outrageous case of behind-the-scenes-beans- spilling, "I've asked for a dedication", said Thomas Müller. But then it's easy to laugh when you're playing Kaiserslautern. The Red Devils had "absolutely no chance" against Bayern in the Fritz-Walter-Stadion, two soft penalties for the visitors notwithstanding. Jupp Heynckes' team have returned to the rotation-heavy Hitzfeld days: methodical, coldly efficient, top of the table. Mario Gomez scored a hat-trick, later courageously criticised Bild for ramping up the scandal factor in Lahm's book and winced as Schweinsteiger revealed that they had nick-named him "Kermit "earlier in the season, when his frog-coloured boots, since replaced with a white and red number, were misfiring.

• Speaking about not easy being green, Wolfsburg continue to struggle. But behold, help is at hand, thanks to the calendar. "Things will get better once the transfer window closes", said Felix Magath after the 3-0 defeat at SC Freiburg. "The players will feel more secure then." That seems a reasonable assumption. Maybe they could have felt a little more secure earlier on, too, if Germany's answer to 'Arry hadn't brought in eight new players and sold the same amount. It's just a hunch, of course.

Results: Hertha 1-0 Stuttgart, Hamburg 3-4 Köln, Kaiserslautern 0-3 Bayern, Nürnberg 1-0 Augsburg, Hoffenheim 1-2 Bremen, Freiburg 3-0 Wolfsburg, Leverkusen 0-0 Dortmund, Hannover 1-1 Mainz, Schalke 1-0 Gladbach.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/aug/29/bayer-leverkusen-dortmund-bundesliga
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:56 pm

Interesting interview with Roland Virkus, the man in charge of Mönchengladbach's renowned youth setup:

http://www.11freunde.de/bundesligen/143181/der_verlust_von_holtby_war_mein_fehler

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