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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by anglophileHedgehog on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:58 am

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Wer zurzeit einen Vertrag haben möchte, ist gut beraten, wenn er zwischen 18 und 22 ist, wenn er eines der heiligen Klubinternate besucht hat, wenn er sich mit lautem Hurra in hochintensive Trainingseinheiten stürzt oder wenigstens schnell und pressingtauglich ist wie Ciprian Marica. Wenn er nie verletzt war und nie verletzt sein wird. Wenn er schlau und mündig ist und trotzdem Klopp oder Löw an den Lippen hängt. Und wenn er einen Wert darstellt - wenn man ihn also schön ins Schaufenster stellen und irgendwann meistbietend verkaufen kann.
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:43 pm

Manuel Neuer was voted "footballer of the year":

http://www.kicker.mobi/f/news/newstext.asp?res=3000&item=555828&liga=0
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Puro on Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:31 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Manuel Neuer was voted "footballer of the year":

http://www.kicker.mobi/f/news/newstext.asp?res=3000&item=555828&liga=0

Well earned distinction in Bundesliga. By the way, do you have any news about Hertha Berlin's midfielder Alfredo Morales? I've never heard of him until now, and he says his dream is to play for Perú one day.

We're loaded with talented players coming up, but just a bit curious about this Peruvian/German. He was born in Germany he says, but Peruvian blood.

http://www.libero.pe/dt-del-hertha-sobre-peruano-alfredo-morales-es-veloz-y-tiene-caracter-2011-07-30
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:14 pm

Never heard of him, sorry.
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by TheCrazy58 on Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:47 pm

Nine Japan international players in Bundesliga this season. Methinks I'll start watching it.
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Xavier on Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:41 pm

Morales is alright, but nothing special... his main strength is his flexibility, as he can play in every defensive role... I expect him to start games this year only if Hertha's regulars are injured or under-performing.

EDIT: he may also be used as a key substitute, as he's already come on for the last fifteen or so minutes of their first Pokal match.

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:43 pm

Honigstein's Bundesliga predictions. He's backing Schalke and Stuttgart to have much better seasons than last year in the league.

The Bundesliga's 49th season kicks off on Friday night, when defending champion Borussia Dortmund hosts a completely re-engineered Hamburger SV. Last season's intoxicating randomness proved how difficult it is to predict Europe's most open league but here's a moderately educated guess as to how the 18 teams might finish -- subject to some last-minute wheeling and dealing, naturally.

1. Bayern Munich
Last year's finish: 3rd
Key additions: Manuel Neuer, Jérome Boateng, Rafinha.
Key losses: None
"We don't get used to finishing in second place here", president Uli Hoeness told SI.com last week in Munich, when asked about his club's €46 million ($65.6M) spending spree. The introduction of Brazilian right-back Rafinha (Genua) allows Philipp Lahm to be much more effective on the left, and Boateng (Man City) will go some way of addressing the Bavarian's decade-old problem at the heart of the defense. Neuer's all-around class won't go amiss, either. In Jupp Heynckes, the club has brought back an experienced manager who will make the side more balanced. Bayern is by no means invincible, but even with the best will in the world, it's impossible to see past it.

2. Dortmund
Last year's finish: 1st
Key additions: Ilkay Gündogan, Ivan Perisic, Moritz Leitner
Key losses: Nuri Sahin
Dortmund succeeded in keeping almost the entire squad together and the carefully scouted new additions should add the kind of depth to the squad that's needed when Dortmund's high-pressing, high-tempo game will be put to the test by international as well as Bundesliga opponents. Recent surprise champions have struggled to keep up their game in the following season, and playing in the Champions League, where Borussia can expect a very tough draw, will certainly present be a steep learning curve. But Jurgen Klopp and his team are good enough to finish in the top three to consolidate their position.

3. Bayer Leverkusen
Last year's finish: 2nd
Key additions: André Schürrle, Ömer Toprak
Key losses: Arturo Vidal
It'll be fascinating to see whether new manager Robin Dutt can get this talented squad to play the collective pressing game he employed at Freiburg. Despite the sale of Arturo Vidal to Juventus, there is little doubt that this very much a top three side. In Schürrle, Leverkusen have signed arguably the most exciting young German forward. If it wasn't for the Champions League distraction and a slightly below-par defense, this side could have been real championship contenders.

4. Schalke
Last year's finish: 14th
Key additions: Ralf Fährmann, Christian Fuchs, Lewis Holtby
Key losses: Manuel Neuer
The Royal Blues overachieved in Europe and underachieved in the league in 2010/11. This season, however, normal service should resume. While there's some tension between manager Ralf Rangnick and Spanish striker Raul -- deployed in a deeper, midfield role -- as well as the problem of dealing with a good dozen of unwanted players left over from the Felix Magath days, S04 also has plenty of firepower, especially if Klaas-Jan Huntelaar can stay fit. An early exit in the Europa League might see them finish even slightly higher.

5. Stuttgart
Last year's finish: 12th
Key additions: Julian Schieber, Maza
Key losses: Christian Träsch, Ciprian Marica
Plenty of injury problems at the back will make Stuttgart's start to the campaign very difficult. But its fortunes should improve drastically once Mexican international center back Maza settles and returning striker Schieber finds his scoring boots again. Bruno Labbadia, despite his often flawed man-management, has great tactical know-how and should be able to lead the youthful Swabians, who are unencumbered by international soccer, back into the top third of the table.

6. 1. FC Kaiserslautern
Last year's finish: 7th
Key additions: Itay Shechter, Gil Vermouth, Dorge Koemaha
Key losses: Srdan Lakic, Erwin Hoffer, Jan Moravek
Every season has its surprise team -- unless it has four surprise teams, as in 2010/11, when Kaiserslautern's exploits were only overshadowed by Mainz, Nürnberg and Hannover. This year, the German "Red Devils" are well placed to come up on the blind-side yet again, thanks to the capture of much-wanted Israeli striker Shechter (Hapoel Tel Aviv), a man with Champions League experience, and his midfield compatriot Vermouth. Coach Marco Kurz has managed to blend a bit of style with the traditional fighting spirit and he can rely on the fabled home support. The one to watch.

7. Werder Bremen
Last year's finish: 13th
Key additions: Mehmet Ekici, Andreas Wolf, Sokratis Papastathopoulos
Key losses: Torsten Frings
An unofficial transfer-embargo by the supervisory board -- who are worried about balancing the books -- has hampered Werder's efforts to strengthen this season. On the other hand, key players like Per Mertesacker and Marko Marin are, at the time of writing, still on board, and it's inconceivable that the Thomas Schaaf-coached side should play as badly as they did last season again. The lopsided team will still ship goals like there's no tomorrow but also score enough to get back to where they belong.

8. Hannover 96
Last year's finish: 4th
Key additions: none
Key losses: none
Hannover will have a virtually unchanged starting lineup, which in itself is a sign of real progress: qualification for the Europa League and the unbridled euphoria in Lower Saxony have made it possible to keep last year's heroes, Ivorian striker Didier Ya Konan, midfielder Manuel Schmiedebach and defender Christian Schulz. Playing a Sunday-Thursday-Sunday schedule has posed problems for international newsies in the past, thus 96 is unlikely to get near the Champions League spots this time. Nevertheless, it should be another season to savor for Mirko Slomka and his men.

9. Hamburger SV
Last year's finish: 8th
Key additions: Michael Mancienne, Jeffrey Bruma, Gökhan Töre
Key losses: Ruud van Nistelrooy, Ze Roberto, Joris Mathijsen, Frank Rost, Piotr Trochowski
It's all change, all change at the Volksparkstadion. Hamburg has got rid of a plethora of big(gish) names and replaced them with talents from Chelsea's academy, thanks to the contacts of new sporting director Frank Arnesen. It's a high-risk strategy. As a result, Hamburg are easily the most unpredictable team in this incredibly open league. Mixed preseason performances suggest that building a new, successful team will take some time.

10. TSG Hoffenheim 1899
Last year's finish: 11th
Key additions: none
Key losses: David Alaba
The years of spending big seem over at the Rhein-Neckar-Stadion. Hoffenheim, supported by billionaire benefactor Dietmar Hopp, has only bought a couple of cheap, young players to add depth to the squad. There are also plenty returning on-loan players like Wellington and Franco Zucolini who are still surplus to requirements. General manager Ernst Tanner has targeted "a top half finish" but TSG will just miss out, despite the positive impact of new coach Holger Stanislawski.

11. VfL Wolfsburg
Timothy Chandler and Nürnberg will be hard pushed to match last season's 6th-place finish.
Kai Pfaffenbach/Landov
Last year's finish: 15th
Key additions: Christian Träsch, Srdan Lakic, Hasan Salihamidzic, Patrick Ochs, Marco Russ
Key losses: Grafite, Sascha Riether
Felix Magath's penchant for going nuts in the transfer market ensures that there'll be at least one or two more arrivals this month, as well as the possible departure of out-of-favour Diego, who's wanted by Atletico Madrid. The Volkswagen-owned team will be sturdier at the back but there's little flair, especially in wide areas. A transitional season is the best VfL supporters can hope for -- before Magath will attempt to spend his way back into the big time in the summer of 2012.

12. Mainz 05
Last year's finish: 5th
Key additions: Zdenek Pospech, Anthony Ujah, Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting
Key losses: André Schürrle, Lewis Holtby, Christian Fuchs
"We are 100 percent different this year", said manager Thomas Tuchel. Different in a good way, though? Mainz has lost the heart of its successful "boy band" in Schürrle and Holtby and there are bound to be setbacks in the rebuilding process, even if the new recruits are able to reproduce the high-pressing game that took 05 to the edge of the Champions League last season . Survival is not in question, however.

13. Köln
Last year's finish: 10th
Key additions: Sascha Riether
Key losses: Fabrice Ehret
The comings and goings in the summer have had little bearing on the first 11 but there's already been a big, hysterical debate so typical of this club: new manager Stale Solbakken has fallen out with star striker Lucas Podolski after stripping the Germany player of his beloved armband. Solbakken's progressive methods will ensure Köln won't get sucked into the relegation quagmire but it's difficult to see it getting anywhere near the top third.

14. 1.FC Nürnberg
Last year's finish: 6th
Key additions: Timm Klose, Tomas Pekhart, Markus Feulner
Key losses: Julian, Schieber, Mehmet Ekici, Ilkay Gündogan
After a sensational campaign, the Franconians narrowly missed out on the Europa League, which is perhaps just as well: after the loss of their three most influential players, the squad would not have been able to cope. As it is, Dieter Hecking's expertise and a host of new, promising youngsters will see them do all right, even if last year's expedition to the higher echelons of the table will be but a distant memory.

15. SC Freiburg
Last year's finish: 9th
Key additions: Garra Dembélé
Key losses: Ömer Toprak
In anticipation of cashing in on goal-getter Papiss Demba Cissé, Freiburg brought in Dembélé from Levski Sofia. But Cissé has still not been sold, despite plenty of interest, and Freiburg look like starting the season with two excellent strikers. Another comfortable midtable spot seems possible but Marcus Sorg, the new manager, is an unknown quantity at this level and the early matches point to lack of cohesion.

16. Borussia Mönchengladbach
Last year's finish: 16th
Key additions: Oscar Wendt, Yuki Otsu
Key losses: Karim Matmour
The "Foals" will do well to stay the course again. Manager Lucien Favre seems adept at getting the most out of a squad but the overall quality is still fairly limited. The experienced Swedish defender Wendt will add some steel at the back while midfielder Otsu is among the steadily increasing number of Japanese imports eager to make a name for himself in the Bundesliga. There's an acute danger that star man Marco Reus will get tempting offers come January.

17. Hertha BSC Berlin
Last year's finish: promoted from 2. Bundesliga
Key additions: Maik Franz, Thomas Kraft, Andreas Ottl.
Key losses: Valeri Domovchiyski
Manager Markus Babbel has bought well in the offseason, considering the tight budget in the capital. Whether it'll be enough to survive is a different matter, however: Babbel is a coach who gets a team to play well but is less versed in finding solutions when results are bad. In light of the tough competition, the "Grand Old Dame" of German soccer might sadly not be quite up to scratch.

18. FC Augsburg
Last year's finish: promoted from 2. Bundesliga
Key additions: Dominic Peitz, Sebastian Langkamp, Lorenzo Davids
Key losses: Loritz Leitner, Sören Bertram
The Bundesliga debutante has its work cut out to stay afloat. A disagreement between striker Michael Thurk and Jos Luhukay that looks like resulting in the player's departure won't help matters in the slightest. Lorenzo Davids, cousin of Edgar, will provide a modicum of glamour; anything but bottom place, however, would be a huge surprise.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/raphael_honigstein/08/04/bundesliga.preview/1.html
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Antarion on Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:39 pm

Bremen, Mainz, Freiburg ranked too high imo.
Don't expect Hertha to get relegated again. Augsburg and Mainz are the hot ones. Köln could have a good season for once

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:52 pm

Favre did a really good job at Gladbach in the second half of last season, and I'd like to see that continue in the forthcoming campaign. Aside from Bayern, I don't think any of the clubs in the league have had particularly exciting or encouraging transfer windows though.
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Post by Kroos on Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:04 am

05.08.2011 20:30 Borussia Dortmund : Hamburger SV -:- (-:-)

06.08.2011 15:30 1. FC Köln : VfL Wolfsburg -:- (-:-)
06.08.2011 15:30 FC Augsburg : Sport-Club Freiburg -:- (-:-)
06.08.2011 15:30 VfB Stuttgart : FC Schalke 04 -:- (-:-)
06.08.2011 15:30 Hannover 96 : 1899 Hoffenheim -:- (-:-)
06.08.2011 15:30 SV Werder Bremen : 1. FC Kaiserslautern -:- (-:-)
06.08.2011 18:30 Hertha BSC : 1. FC Nürnberg -:- (-:-)

07.08.2011 15:30 1. FSV Mainz 05 : Bayer 04 Leverkusen -:- (-:-)
07.08.2011 17:30 FC Bayern München : M'gladbach -:- (-:-)

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:24 am

And another pre-season summary from Honigstein: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/aug/05/bundesliga-season-preview-2011-2012

It'll be sold out, of course, watched by more countries than ever and kick off a new season that will undoubtedly entertain with the traditional mix of goal-gluts, managerial pandemonium and beyond-silly off-the-pitch antics. In total, close to half a million season tickets have been sold already, a new record. But Friday night's curtain-raiser between champions Dortmund and a Hamburger SV side that's so radically reconstructed that you might as well call it Jocelyn has not been accompanied by quite the hype we have become used to in recent years. There is little of the punch-drunk euphoria that greeted the Bundesliga's return after the 2010 World Cup, more a sense of relief that weekends matter again.

Two factors are chiefly responsible for this relatively sober comeback of Germany's favourite pastime. First, the sheer number of big club crises and axed managers in 2010-11 have exhausted the league. As a result of all that disorder, the clubs were forced to ring in the changes early. New managers (Jupp Heynckes, Bayern; Robin Dutt, Leverkusen; Marcus Sorg, SC Freiburg; Stale Solbakken, Köln; Holger Stanislawski, Hoffenheim;) were hired well before the summer started and the key, most expensive transfers (Manuel Neuer, €22m to Bayern, André Schürrle, €8m to Leverkusen) were front-loaded.

Nothing of note has happened in recent weeks to add some drama up to the build-up - most sporting directors ceased making telephone calls of any sort some time last month. With four more weeks to go in the transfer window, only Werder Bremen, desperate to offload some stars, and Felix Magath still have unfinished business. The Wolfsburg manager is in typical wheeler-dealer mode again, looking to shed and buy a few more dozen players before Volkswagen's corporate quantity surveyor starts showing an interest.

The second reason has all to do with the herd effect. German football seems to have collectively followed Dortmund's lead, both in terms of their youth policy and their moderate expenditure. Borussia's triumph with the youngest ever squad has given sporting directors across the board the confidence – or an excuse – to promote shedloads of teenager to the first team, in the hope that more Mario Götzes or Schürrles will emerge. So just when you thought that the fallen giants (Werder, Stuttgart, Hamburg, Schalke) would invest heavily to remind yesteryear's army of roaring "Gräue Mäuse" ("grey mice" aka unfashionable clubs) of their true position in the food chain and fight for that newly available fourth Champions League spot, they've all been reading from one of Gordon Brown's old chancellor speeches, stressing prudence, prudence, prudence.

No one has spent any significant money in net terms. Ten clubs have even made a profit this summer, among them Dortmund, who brilliantly succeeded in keeping almost their whole squad together despite plenty of predictions to the contrary. The new, characteristically smart additions of Moritz Leitner (Augsburg), Ilkay Gündogan (Nürnberg) and Ivan Perisic (Bruge) will provide much-need depth to Jürgen Klopp's squad but their wage bill has only moderately increased from €35m to €40m in the process. It could easily be cut back again, if they miss out on the Champions League next season. "We need to be very conservative and humble," said their president Hans-Joachim Watzke.

Their opponents in the Westfalenstadion on Friday night, Hamburg, have gone even further. New sporting director Frank Arnesen's first, second, third and fourth actions in the job have been to plunder Chelsea's youth academy. Bringing in Jeffrey Bruma, Gökhan Töre, Jacopo Sala and Michael Mancienne – whose last name is being pronounced in a bewildering number of ways by German commentators – smacks either of supreme confidence in his former charges or a distinct lack of imagination. Coach Michael Oenning seems to have a tough time deciding which one it is. Without top earners like Ruud van Nistelrooy, Frank "Goethe" Rost, Piotr Trochowski and Ze Roberto, the squad is certainly cheaper but probably best described as work in progress. "It might take us most of the first half of the season to see where we are," Oenning said rather ominously.

Financially, it's all been so sensible that it almost hurts. Thank god for Bayern then, who followed up their by now customary trophy-less odd year with a customary spending spree. Their gross outlay of €44m (€39m net) accounts for nearly a third of the Bundesliga's gross spend (€137m; €100m net). Neuer will be worth his inflated fee if he stays around for a decade or so and the right-back Rafinha (Genua) was a no-brainer at €5.5m but whether Jérôme Boateng really is the answer to a decade worth of problems at centre-back remains to be seen. Upstairs, by the way, the president Uli Hoeness has become closer involved again in an effort to support his friend Jupp Heynckes while Karl-Heinz "Che" Rummenigge is busy plotting a coup against Sepp Blatter.

Bayern do not look good enough to fulfill Reinhard Rauball's dream of a first international club title since 2001, however. Before Mainz were dumped out of the Europa League by the mighty Metan Medias on Thursday night, the league chairman boldly stated that (second-placed) La Liga was now "within sight" as far as the Uefa coefficient was concerned and also stressed "the increasing appeal" of the German game. "We've had four different champions in five years," he said, before gallantly glossing over the fact that two genuine stars, Dortmund's Nuri Sahin and Arturo Vidal (Leverkusen) have left the league. "It would be narrow-minded to think that they'd all have to play with us in today's globalised world," Rauball added, "and it's positive that someone like Neuer has been kept while prominent names like Boateng and Rafinha have returned." Somewhere in the distance, a bunch of oversized Strohhalme were being snapped in half.

But then again, a lack of big names – Werder's Sokratis Papastathopoulos doesn't count, sadly – matters a little less in a league that has taken to producing young talents in impressive quantity. As George Orwell – or was it Reiner Calmund? – once memorably said: In an age of universally overvalued players, making them yourself ain't half bad an idea.

Sprechen Sie Fußball-Deutsch? Here's your handy bluffer's guide to the 18 Bundesliga teams

Borussia Dortmund
Do say: "I'd be very interested to see whether their high-pressing game works in Europe, Jonathan."

Don't say: "When is Mario Götze moving to Arsenal?"

Bayer Leverkusen

Do say: "Schürrle.... What a player!"

Don't say: "I fully expect Michael Ballack to lead them to a triple of Champions League, championship and German cup this season"

Also don't say: "Love the fact they play without a shirt sponsor - classy!"

Bayern Munich

Do say: "Rafinha as right-back enables Philipp Lahm to play as an inverted left-back, where he's much better"

Don't say: "I'm sure the board will give Jupp Heynckes all the time in the world to succeed"

Hannover 96

Do say: "Maybe it's a good job they didn't get into the Champions League – just think about the coefficient!"

Don't say: "I hope Didier Ya Konan gets to play the drums again soon"

Mainz 05

Do say: "For Mainz, it will be about mid-table but for their manager Tuchel, it's about putting himself in the shop window this year"

Don't say: "I bet they'll be great in the Europa League this season"

1. FC Nürnberg

Do say: "Can't see them doing that well again after losing Julian Schieber, Mehmet Ekici and Ilkay Gündogan"

Don't say: "Defender Andreas Wolf – now at Werder – will be sorely missed in terms of his cultured distribution and lovely build-up play".

1. FC Kaiserslautern

Do say: "Did you know? Israeli players Itay Shechter and Gil Vermouth signed their contracts after the club served them some kosher food"

Don't say: The name of Lautern's sporting director in polite society.

Hamburger SV

Do say: "So just how do you pronounce Mancienne, Bela?"

Don't say: "It's a good job they brought in Frank Arnesen. Without him, would they have never unearthed all these wonderful talents from the Chelsea reserves"

SC Freiburg

Do say: "Why on earth did no bigger club come in for their striker Papiss Demba Cissé? He's like a good Darren Bent"

Don't say: "What does new manager Marcus Sorg know about building a squad?" (He's got a degree in structural physics, actually)

Köln

Do say: "Lukas Podolski should really think twice about getting on the wrong side of coach Sol Solbakken, a guy who was once - true fact - clinically dead for eight minutes."

Don't say: "Very odd that the Cologne press would make such a deal about Poldi losing the armband. Seems a bit exaggerated, doesn't it?"

TSG Hoffenheim 1899

Do say: "Billionaire Dietmar Hopp is obviously so afraid of the Financial Fair Play regulations that he's ensured the team will finish nowhere near Europe"

Don't say: "This friendly, sugar daddy-backed club epitomises the Bundesliga's enlightened business model"

VfB Stuttgart

Do say: "I bet that come spring, their new Mexican defender Maza won't let any strikers pass over"

Don't say: "€9m for Träsch? I thought you could only do that kind of deal in the Premier League"

Bremen

Do say: "Thomas Schaaf will never change these three things: a) his moustache b) his facial expression c) his commitment to a midfield diamond"

Don't say: "My perfect woman needs to have tattoos, black hair and silicon" (unless you're Marko Arnautovic, that is

Schalke

Do say: "With Christoph Metzelder on the pitch, they might grab for a Champions League spot"

Don't say: "Ralf Rangnick and Raúl: obviously a match made in heaven"

VfL Wolfburg

Do say: "I wonder if Felix Magath will sign Ali Karimi again"

Don't say: "This friendly, Volkswagen-owned club really epitomises the Bundesliga's enlightened business model"

Borussia Mönchengladbach

Do say: "Winger Marco Reus must surely realise that he's far too good for this team"

Don't say: "Am I the only who finds manager Lucien Favre's praise for 'polyvalent' players a little unsettling?"

Hertha BSC Berlin

Do say: "Staying up with this squad will be a miracle"

Don't say: "What they're missing is a good sporting director - like Dieter Hoeness, for example"

Augsburg

Do say: "It doesn't bode well for the new boys that manager Jos Luhukay and striker Michael Thurk have fallen out before the first ball was kicked"

Don't say: Anything bad about them. That would be mean.
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by anglophileHedgehog on Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:34 am

Could someone wake me when the first half of the season is over? ok Thanks! I am very tempted to stick my head in the sand (at least where football is concerned) until February...

In other news:
Schalker Marica fällt gegen Stuttgart wohl aus

http://11freunde.de/newsticker/142100/schalker_marica_faellt_gegen_stuttgart_wohl_aus

Oh wie schaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade! Rolling Eyes

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:50 am

Tonight's opening game should be a good one - although on the subject of HSV and Honigstein's article above, how is 'Mancienne' being pronounced in Germany? It doesn't seem like the most difficult name to pronounce.

Anglo, you roll your eyes, but would there be a more depressing way to start the season than for your former goal-shy 'striker' to mark his debut for Schalke by netting a couple of winning goals away to his former club? It's the sort of crushingly inevitable thing that happens in football to dampen whatever little enthusiasm there is at the start of the season.
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Post by Stiftung Haeschentest on Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:59 am

Sheffield gunner wrote:Tonight's opening game should be a good one - although on the subject of HSV and Honigstein's article above, how is 'Mancienne' being pronounced in Germany? It doesn't seem like the most difficult name to pronounce.

Every pundit seem to pronounce his name differently. The variations I've heard so far have been

"mansion"
"man-ceen"
"man-see-enn"

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:05 pm

The latter is how it's pronounced here in England. Not that our pundits are doyens of correctly pronouncing names, but at least with this one they are all consistent.

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:37 pm

I feel a bit sorry for Hannover. Such a good season last year and they get a really tough draw in the Europa League play-off round and are underdogs just to make the group stage. Guess this isn't too good for the co-efficient points with two of the teams likely to be out before the group stage.
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Kroos on Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:27 pm

Sheffield gunner wrote:I feel a bit sorry for Hannover. Such a good season last year and they get a really tough draw in the Europa League play-off round and are underdogs just to make the group stage. Guess this isn't too good for the co-efficient points with two of the teams likely to be out before the group stage.

yeah thats not good, i have no hope for hannover, they have zero experience with ko rounds, the pressure and the individual class will cost them, they are very good grossed, maybe this helps

more important will be the next season, when everything will be divided by 7

i really think that in the next years there will be more consistency in the german top flight

i think those 5 clubs will regular fight for cl places

bayern
dortmund
schalke
wolfsburg
leverkusen




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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Puro on Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:28 pm

What a nice day my German brothers, eh! Biggrin

Aaaaaahhhhh can you tell I am so happy today!!! Bundesliga is on! Yes mes amis! the league of Pizarro, Guerrero, Farfán, Zambrano, Morales, Baylón, Players, To, Be, Named, Later,... cheers begins again. Whoop

I am happy that my Inca Warriors have helped the Bundesliga (WHAT A GREAT LEAGUE!) surpass Serie A (that's what they get for not signing enough Inca Warriors although they started to sign some of our players in Juan "El Loco" Vargas) and claim that coveted #3 league in UEFA.

Teutons and Krauts, I am a bit concerned with the Japanese delegation. Some of them are good like Kagawa, a really good player but the rest of them, I am not convinced and here's why:

I saw them play against my Inca Warriors "B" team in Japan recently (before Copa América) and our "B" guys mopped the floor with'em, should've won the game 0-2, sitters and two posts saved the good Samurai Warriors. More Samurai are invading the Bundesliga, but they're not that good! They are no "Kagawas". Our "B" guys are much better than them, and yet it is them Japanese who get to play in Bundesliga! scratch

Oh and to wrap this up on a positive note Biggrin I expect a lot of goals later on in the Bundesliga '11-'12 kick-off. Biggrin <Ale>





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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:57 pm

Endlich geht es wieder los. Smile

Dortmund take the lead on the counter with Großkreutz firing in off the post! Kagawa had lashed a shot just wide a bit earlier.
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Kagawa could have had three already. Good to see him back playing though.

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:10 pm

Brilliant second goal for Dortmund. Götze scores, and the champions have started the league season in style.
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by fcb on Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:13 pm

Just switched on in time to see the utterly brilliant 2nd goal from Dortmund. Their football is as sexy as it was last year Ale

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:49 pm

Second of the match for Großkreutz and this is very easy for Dortmund. Hamburg will need time to gel, but they look a bit weak at the moment.
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Effenberg on Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:56 pm

Very impressed with Dortmund. Hope they get a doable group in the CL. What a fantastic, young team. Goetze looks unreal.
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:16 pm

Götze Blush

High time for a GÖZILLER midfield in the national team.
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Kroos on Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:25 pm

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Stiftung Haeschentest on Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:59 pm

Entertaining game, and very good team performance from Dortmund once again, especially in the first 60-70 minutes. For streches of the game they looked even better than last season. Yikes Biggrin

Effenberg wrote:Very impressed with Dortmund. Hope they get a doable group in the CL. What a fantastic, young team. Goetze looks unreal.

The chances to get a doable draw are not exactly great as we are seeded in pot 4.

Possible worst case scenario:

Barca/Real
AC Milan
Man City
Dortmund

Neutral

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:34 pm

That Schalke away kit. No

Stuttgart's stadium looks a vast improvement on the old design. I think I'll keep an eye on this match on my computer whilst watching England in the rugby.

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:10 pm

Cacau gives Stuttgart the lead as he turns the ball in from close range from a corner. How unusual, someone must have already put up a 2012 calendar in the Stuttgart dressing room to confuse them and overcome their usually abject start to the season.

Wolfsburg and Hannover both lead as well.

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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Sheffield gunner on Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:46 pm

Harnik scores a second for Stuttgart. Good cross from Molinaro and accurate header from Harnik. Freiburg are leading away to Augsburg but there have been no further goals elsewhere in the second half.

And they see off a prolonged spell of Schalke pressure to make it 3-0 with a very fine individual effort from Okazaki who cut inside onto his left foot and fired a shot from range into the far corner. That's how it finishes. Excellent start to the season from Stuttgart, who performed well.
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Final scores

Köln 0:3 Wolfsburg
Hannover 2:1 Hoffenheim
Augsburg 2:2 Freiburg
Stuttgart 3:0 Schalke
Werder Bremen 2:0 Lautern
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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by Kroos on Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:24 pm



i would swap him immediately for robben

the best player in the bundesliga, BY a distance

hes everywhere on the field, he is not so predictable like robben

not only baised on this match, a fool sees the unlimited potential, me thinks hes messi, but with better brain and vision

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