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Re: Bundesliga 2012

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:46 am

Go easy with the hype. He still has everything to learn and prove, especially on the international stage, for club and country. Don't have the slightest doubt that he will, but for the time being, all those comparisons don't make any sense.

And most importantly, the kid doesn't need them. He just does what he can do best.

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:03 pm

Mainz take the lead after an incredible mistake from the Leverkusen goalkeeper! That was unbelievable. lol!

The young goalkeeper had a soft backpass to deal with and was under no pressure. He tried to pass it out to the left side of the penalty box, but somehow made terrible contact with the ball and only ended up scuffing it sideways across the six yard box. An alert Mainz player ran in and fired past the goalkeeper from an acute angle.

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:27 pm

1-0 HT

Fairly even first half really. Ballack is on the bench for Leverkusen.

And the goal for anyone who wants to see it/enjoys goalkeeping cock-ups.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/sami-allagui-bayer-leverkusen-14687856/

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:15 pm

lol!

Mainz have benefited from the most fortuitous goals today. Toprak with an own-goal on debut, stretching his foot out and directing a low effort past the stranded goalkeeper from just inside the box.
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Post by Kroos on Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:16 pm

omg and another CL team doomed

new coach, they sold vidal, hopefully they recover before the group stage starts

great comeback from mainz after the europa league humiliation




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Post by Kroos on Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:18 pm

bayern line up against gladbach, will be nice to see if reuss can humiliate our defence, will be the first benchmark of the season

--------neuer

rafinha-boateng-bad-lahm

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robben--kroos---müller
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Post by Kroos on Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:40 pm

schweini has lost it

after 6 min already 2 stupid passes
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Post by Kroos on Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:19 pm

awful performance in the first half

schweini is shit, cant count the horrible passes he made

robben was useless too

there was no real goal threat

back to the roots, henyckes destroyed our attacking flow

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:50 pm

Gladbach take the lead after a Neuer mistake. He rushed off his line unnecessarily and got beaten to the ball by the striker. Not very confident defending against the bouncing ball to start with, but Neuer had no business coming out for that one.
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Post by Hlebagone on Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:57 pm

Sack Van Gaal!
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Post by Bashmachkin on Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:02 pm

Yes, it was poor goalkeeping - Neuer created the difficulty to begin with by essentially taking his centre-back, Boateng, out of the equation, charging towards a ball that would otherwise have been defended before missing his punch. The game has opened up a bit now. Will Mullbbery be able to forge an equaliser?
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Post by fcb on Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:40 pm

Neuer doing his best to appeal to the Bayern fans Laughing

And Boateng meeting the basic requirement of any Bayern CB - inability to defend ok

I'm actually a bit disappointed. I'm hoping for a strong Bayern this season.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:56 pm

Koan Neuer!

Neuer is getting spanked left and right by the press for his mistake that cost Bayern a match they shouldn't have lost. This new experience will probably do him good though. Compared to other (quality) German keepers, Neuer always got away with his mistakes, usually dodged harsh criticism. He also got the most hype. At Bayern, the press and fans will be a lot less forgiving.

On the other side of the pitch, youngster Ter Stegen showed why many (me included) believe him to become Neuer's toughest competition for the #1 spot in the national team in future. Great match by a very talented kid.

Congrats Gladbach! Ale

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:09 pm

I feel a little for Neuer in one respect. Bayern were playing a flat, and often high defensive line and a couple of times previously he had done well by coming off the line quickly to deal with a through ball. It's easy for goalkeepers to get into the mentality when they come out so regularly, and there will usually be one occasion where they make an injudicious call and get caught out.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:15 pm

Sure, Neuer's style is risky, so blatant mistakes like that tend to happen more often. The benefits clearly outweigh the risks though, especially for an attacking team. Ter Stegen has a similar style btw.

Still, Neuer and the Bayern backline need to coordinate things better. That will likely come with time and experience though.

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:44 pm

Manuel Neuer mishap caps chastening Bayern loss to Mönchengladbach
After Dortmund's exhilarating opening win, Bayern Munich were lethargic and one-paced throughout their loss to Borussia

It was the best cock-up money could buy: €39m worth of indecision, miscalculation, clumsiness, passivity and incompetence. It was also confirmation of Bayern Munich supporters' worst fears. For all their firepower, more balanced approach and defensive improvements, they remain supremely capable of beating themselves, just as they had been in Louis van Gaal's second year, when - in Uli Hoeness's sarcastic words - "god" had been overseeing the semi-tragic proceedings from the bench.

From heaven above down to earth came Roel Brouwers's aimless punt, and the news was very bad. Jérôme Boateng, the €17m-plus centre-back and designated boss at the back, let the ball bounce and stepped aside to allow €22m-plus recruit Manuel Neuer, Germany's player of the year 2011, to take off on an ill-conceived flight into nothingness. The 25-year-old missed the ball completely, while Ivan de Camargo headed home from just outside the box. Bayern still had 30 minutes to turn the match around, but all their painfully laboured attempts were to no avail. Lucien Favre's Mönchengladbach held out for only their second win in Munich in 46 years.

Jupp Heynckes, so red in the face with exasperation that Stefan Effenberg's old nickname for the coach came to mind - he had called him "Osram" once, after the best-selling light bulb - spoke of a "misunderstanding" and pointed to a stomach bug that had put Neuer out of action three games prior to the match. But the player himself was contrite. "It's my responsibility," he mumbled, explaining that he ball had "somehow stopped" mid-air: "I didn't want to risk a red card." As far as Bundesliga debuts go, it couldn't have gone much worse for the ex-Schalke ultra. His only consolation came from the stands, where there was only shocked disbelief, nothing worse.

Even if you don't subscribe to Germany's three irrevocable articles of faith - Germans make the best cars, the best kitchens and the world's best keepers, of which Neuer is by definition the best - it would of course be silly to question Neuer's talent after one solitary mishap. Bayern fans and journos of a certain age were quick to recall Jean-Marie Pfaff's infamous own goal against Werder Bremen on his first outing. The Belgian keeper went on to become a much-loved mainstay at the Olympiastadion. Accidents do happen.

And yet there was something a little more troubling here. Not a doubt about Neuer's competence as such, but a lingering suspicion that this wasn't mere misfortune. "Games in which I've got nothing to do are difficult," he had ventured before the match, probably without realising how true that was. At Schalke, Felix Magath had asked him to be pro-active and play a bold game, but there he was (quite literally) constantly in full flight, high on adrenaline after saving one ball after the other.

In Munich, there was one stop to make in the first 42 minutes and not another serious attempt at his goal apart from the goal itself. Neuer, to put it charitably, lost his concentration, then over-compensated with a showy expedition. It's as if he wanted to demonstrate that he was still on the pitch, doing his thing for the team, worth the plaudits and the money. Maybe he felt that he had to make a point, in a team full of individuals who never gelled on Sunday. It's a trap that newcomers to a starry company often fall into. They try too hard and forget to get their simple lines right in the process.

Neuer will have to down-size his need to shine, very quickly. And Boateng, who did improve matters in defence, albeit not to the extent that some had hoped, needs to snap out of his sometimes phlegmatic approach. Heading the ball before the bounce would have dealt with the situation.

That chain of events aside, Bayern looked lethargic and one-paced throughout. One or two chances were created, naturally, and there were two offside decisions that went against them. But it was all "too little", as CEO Karl-Heinz Rummenigge said. One idea consisted of getting the ball to Arjen Robben and hope for the best. The other was to give it to Franck Ribéry on the other side of the pitch. Both were fairly easily crowded out. Sound familiar? "I can't believe this shit is happening again," said Thomas Müller.

Bayern's lack of progress in terms of going forward, combined with Dortmund's exhilarating display on Friday night made for a pretty chastening afternoon. "Precisely what we wanted to avoid has happened now," said Rummenigge. "We are already behind the music." To make matters worse, post-World-Cup fatigue won't work as an excuse this time.

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• Leverkusen finished as runners-up last year and it seems that they're streets ahead of Bayern this year, too - albeit in the wrong way. They're already out of the cup and threaten to set new quantity standards in terms of goalkeeping errors. After deputy keeper David Yelldell - No1 René Adler is injured - had blundered his way through the 4-3 defeat at Dynamo Dresden last week, third-choice 21-year-old Fabian Giefer was given the nod for the match at Mainz, only to lose his nerve, too. Giefer completely mishit a back-pass to allow Sami Allagui to smash home and later collided with Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting to come off with mild concussion. On top of that, new defender Ömer Toprak managed a proper own goal as well. New manager Robin Dutt, who left Michael Ballack on the bench of the entire 90 minutes, is under pressure to find a winning formula, especially at the back. "Playing the Champions League with Schwaab, Reinartz, Toprak and Kadlec borders on negligence," wrote Süddeutsche Zeitung. Bayer are now keen to bring in a fourth keeper, the highly-rated Bernd Leno, 19, from Stuttgart to deal with the crisis. It'll be interesting to see if they line up a fifth and sixth choice, just in case.

• "I looked like an asshole," bemoaned Hoffenheim goalkeeper Tom Starke after the 2-1 defeat at Hannover. This was, alas, not a reflection on another keeping clanger but angry criticism of referee Thorsten Kinhöfer. The official allowed Jan Schlaudraff to score the opener from a free-kick while Starke was still arranging his wall. The fact that Kinhöfer had asked the Hannover striker whether he wanted to wait for the ball beforehand enraged the visitors, who had a right to feel aggrieved: Kinhöfer's gesture to whistle, apparently directed at Schlaudrauf, was confusing to say the least. "An absolute disgrace," said Hoffenheim's Holger Stanislawski.

• Dortmund, though, were nothing short of sensational on Friday night. Hamburg's players must have felt like Milan's carabinieri in the new Mini ad during that 3-1 drubbing: wherever they wanted to needed to go, three or four Dortmund players seemed to get there first. Mario Götze (one beautiful goal), Shinji Kagawa and Kevin Großkreutz (two strikes) stole the show but this was a triumph of collective endeavour and imagination. "I've rarely seen such a harmonious, well-combining team on the opening day of a season," said a very impressed national manager Jogi Löw in the stands. Borussia players ran a combined 125 kilometres, 10 more than the hosts, and not a single millimetre in the wrong direction. "One has to be careful not to become a supporter of this team," said TV pundit Mehmet Scholl, bedazzled by the brilliance of Jürgen Klopp's men. Robert Tesche's consolation strike prevented the champions from leading the table straightaway again but in all other respects this was just like last season, only more so. "Bayern are still favourites," said Klopp, eager as ever to down-play everything, while the lippier Großkreutz issued a veiled threat: "It was alright today, but there's plenty of room for improvement."

• "The first step is winning the ball; the second step is using it," Ralf Rangnick said after Schalke's 3-0 defeat away to Stuttgart. "In the first half, step one was OK. But there was no step two." There was also no second half to speak of from the Royal Blues, who had, in fairness, been a bit unlucky to go into the break two goals down. A fine goal from VfB's Japanese striker Shinji Okazaki capped a miserable match for Rangnick, who is struggling to impart his ideas of collective football on the remnants on Felix Magath's squad.

• The Bundesliga is renownedly for carefully upholding much-loved traditions like terraces, cheap tickets, drinking and smoking. But the authorities do draw the line when it comes to romantic notions like jumpers for goal-posts or "skins v colours". Thus, Marco Kurz's move to bring on Clemens Walch were thwarted by the latter's attempt to play without a regulation Kaiserslauten shirt. By the time Walch had gone back to the changing room to retrieve said forgotten garment, Werder striker Markus Rosenberg had already scored a second goal to decide the match. The Northerners' good start to the season was hitherto somewhat overshadowed by the clouded future of Per Mertesacker, however. The Bremen captain returned from a lengthy lay-off to play a decent game and talk about leaving. "Playing abroad is an option, I can't rule it out at this stage," said the 26-year-old, banging an invisible drum at his feet. Werder need the money and would love to sell but the long-rumoured approach from Arsenal is yet to materialise. Since "Merte" is an old-fashioned type of centre-back, tall and strong in the air, Wenger is unlikely to pick up the phone.

Results: Dortmund 3-1 Hamburg, Hertha BSC 0-1 Nürnberg, Stuttgart 3-0 Schalke, Bremen 2-0 Kaiserslautern, Köln 3-0 Wolfsburg, Hannover 2-1 Hoffenheim, Augsburg 2-2 Freiburg, Mainz 2-0 Leverkusen, Bayern 0-1 Gladbach.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/aug/08/manuel-neuer-bayern-loss-monchengladbach
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Post by fcb on Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:12 pm

40 mins gone, Bayern still not firing. Kroos just made a horrible failed attempt to try and win a penalty...and seems to have injured himself.

Dortmund losing 1-0.

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Post by Black Magic on Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:15 pm

Why was Wolfsburg's goal ruled out Kas? My stream decided to pause.

What happened to Rene Adler?
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Post by fcb on Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:18 pm

No idea, been flipping back and forth, so haven't caught those incidents.

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Post by Black Magic on Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:27 pm

Sheffield gunner wrote: After deputy keeper David Yelldell - No1 René Adler is injured - had blundered his way through the 4-3 defeat at Dynamo Dresden last week, third-choice 21-year-old Fabian Giefer was given the nod for the match at Mainz, only to lose his nerve, too.
I should read more often. <Ale>
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Post by Puro on Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:06 pm

Drama in the game, Koo gets plowed by Luis Gustavo in the box. STONE WALL PENALTY? Fuck no says the ref. Magath explodes in the dugout! Whoop
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Post by fcb on Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:20 pm

Luis Gustavo scores in the 91st minute. Bayern winning 1-0, Dortmund still losing 1-0 (injury time there as well).

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Post by Black Magic on Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:20 pm

Wonderfully well placed late goal by Luiz Gustavo.
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Post by Antarion on Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:32 pm

Fuck yeah! Very lucky for us Wolfsburg got a goal ruled out and could have had a pen (haven't seen the game just heared it)

I hope this give enough confidence for the next games. Dont want another horrible season again
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Post by Puro on Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:44 pm

Antarion wrote:Fuck yeah! Very lucky for us Wolfsburg got a goal ruled out and could have had a pen (haven't seen the game just heared it)

I hope this give enough confidence for the next games. Dont want another horrible season again

Highway robbery! Wolfsburg (with a neutral ref) win this game 2-0 easily.

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Post by Effenberg on Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:59 pm

Don't listen to Puro. Not about this, not ever. Bayern were clearly the better team and they were only lucky on that first half offside decision that went against Wolfsburg. (Strangely, nobody really talked about Bayern's legal equalizer that was waved off last week.) That Korean kid was diving all over the place. I'm sure that gives Puro a hard-on, but that doesn't mean you get penalties for it in Germany.

The team is still finding itself, but I like some of what I'm seeing. Not saying we're a serious CL contender, but I see top 8 potential for this year. They just need time. Young bunch, don't forget.
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Post by Kroos on Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:28 am

watching bayern munich playing football makes me depressive^^

badstuber shows that he can be a very good defender, our defence is great, offensively its the total opposite, we cant create shit, Jupp said in an interview, that he made maybe a mistake, he worked too much on the defence, and neglected the attack in training

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Marc-André ter Stegen, the 19 year old gladbach keeper looks like a new evolutionary stage, some thought neuer will be the benchmark for years to come, like i thougth with özil too, but now götze shits on özil as ter stegen shits on neuer Very Happy Wink

no seriously he looks very good with his 19 years,
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Post by Kroos on Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:37 pm

will castro ever get a chance to play for germany?

marin should leave bremen, i think magath would bring the best out of him, and he would gain some muscles

15 germans on the field


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