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Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Batman on Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:36 am

What was your best XI before the transfer window opened, i.e. last season?


You best XI after the transfer window closed, current best XI?


Grade for your managers transfer dealings this summer?


Any players sold or not signed that you will live to regret during the season?



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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by bluenine on Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:16 am

What was your best XI before the transfer window opened, i.e. last season?

Cesar
Maicon - Lucio - Samuel - Chivu
Zanetti - Cambiasso - Stankovic
Sneijder
Pazzini - Eto'o

You best XI after the transfer window closed, current best XI?

Cesar
Maicon - Lucio - Samuel - Zanetti
Cambiasso - Stankovic
Sneijder
Zarate - Pazzini - Forlan

Grade for your managers transfer dealings this summer?

Branca did very well for Inter. All the deadweight gone, and a lot of clever deals done economically.


Any players sold or not signed that you will live to regret during the season?
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Pras_tama on Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:29 am

[/b] What was your best XI before the transfer window opened, i.e. last season?[/b]
Man. United:
--------------Van Der Sar
Rafael--Ferdinand--Vidic--Evra
Valencia--Carrick--Fletcher--Nani
------------Rooney--Chicharito

AC Milan:
---------------Abbiati
Abate--Nesta--Silva--Zambrotta
-------------Van Bommel
--------Boateng---------Ambrosini
------------------Cassano
-----------Ibra--------------Pato

[/b]You best XI after the transfer window closed, current best XI?[/b]
Man. United:
-------------------De Gea
Smalling--Ferdinand--Vidic--Evra
Nani----Cleverley--Anderson--Young
----------Rooney----Chicharito

AC Milan:
-------------Abbiati
Abate--Nesta--Silva--Taiwo
----------Van Bommel
---Nocerino----------Boateng
------------Aquilani
---Ibrahimovic---Pato

[/b]Grade for your managers transfer dealings this summer?[/b]
Sir Alex: B-, good enough to win our 20th title but won't get us near Barcelona yet
Allegri: B-, see above

[/b]Any players sold or not signed that you will live to regret during the season?[/b]
I never regret selling anyone but I think both clubs still need creativity addition in their midfield


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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Kroos on Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:58 am

i am quite happy with our starting 11, i think more was not possible for bayern

but i have no trust in the bench

vanbyuten, breno 2nd rate defenders

usami, peterson, i am not sure if they are bundesliga material Very Happy

olic is injured

kroos plays always out of position, but he will be a great schweini back up

with a new real quality all arround attacker like (gtze, schrrle, reus, hazard) i would have a better feeling





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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Guest on Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:16 pm

Before

----------VV
Alves--Pique--Puyol--Abidal

----------Busquets

-----Xavi--------Inietsa

---Pedro----Messi---Villa

After

----------VV
Alves--Pique--Puyol--Abidal

----------Busquets

-----Xavi--------Inietsa

---Pedro----Messi---Villa


It makes more sense to look at barca transfer window in terms of the squad

Before

GK:VV,Pinto
RB: Alves,Adriano
CB: Pique,Puyol,Milito
LB: Abidal,Maxwell
DM: Masch,Busquets
AM: Iniesta
CM: Xavi,Kieta
RF: Pedro,Afellay
CF Messi,Bojan
LF: Villa,Jeffren


After

In: Cesc,Sanchez
Promoted: thiago,Fontas

Out: Milito,Jeffren,Bojan

Squad After

GK:VV,Pinto
RB: Alves,Adriano
CB: Pique,Puyol,Fontas
LB: Abidal,Maxwell
DM: Masch,Busquets
AM: Iniesta,Thiago,Cesc
CM: Xavi,Kieta
RF: Pedro,Afellay
CF Messi
LF: Villa,Sancez

Much better squad with players of a higher quality than those who left.

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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by bluenine on Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:53 pm

Messiah wrote:Before

----------VV
Alves--Pique--Puyol--Abidal
----------Busquets
-----Xavi--------Inietsa
---Pedro----Messi---Villa

After

----------VV
Alves--Pique--Puyol--Abidal
----------Busquets
-----Xavi--------Inietsa
---Pedro----Messi---Villa

I may be wrong, but I think Sanchez might take Pedro's starting role once he finds his feet... Pedro is good, but Sanchez is better.

Tho I woulld like nothing better than Sanchez staying on the bench, geting disillusioned... and Inter swoop him up on a cheap next summer Wink

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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Guest on Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:26 pm

bluenine wrote:
Messiah wrote:Before

----------VV
Alves--Pique--Puyol--Abidal
----------Busquets
-----Xavi--------Inietsa
---Pedro----Messi---Villa

After

----------VV
Alves--Pique--Puyol--Abidal
----------Busquets
-----Xavi--------Inietsa
---Pedro----Messi---Villa

I may be wrong, but I think Sanchez might take Pedro's starting role once he finds his feet... Pedro is good, but Sanchez is better.

Tho I woulld like nothing better than Sanchez staying on the bench, geting disillusioned... and Inter swoop him up on a cheap next summer Wink

If he learns to finish aa well as pedro, and come up with the big goals pedro tends to, then he surely will, because everything else in his game is better
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Jaime on Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:35 pm

Before:

------------------Casillas

S. Ramos-----Carvalho-----Pepe-----Marcelo

------------Alonso-----Khedira

Di Maria---------Ozil-----------C. Ronaldo

---------------Benzema

Bench: Dudek, Arbeloa, R. Albiol, Lass, Granero, Kaka, Higuain


IN: Altintop, Callejon, Coentrao, Sahin, Varane

OUT: Canales, Drenthe, Dudek, Gago, Garay, Pedro Leon

After:

------------------Casillas

S. Ramos-----Carvalho-----Pepe-----Marcelo

------------Alonso-----Khedira

Di Maria---------Ozil-----------C. Ronaldo

---------------Benzema

Bench: Adan, Arbeloa, R. Albiol, Coentrao, Callejon, Kaka, Granero, Higuain

*Looks like the turks will probably be injured forever but if they ever play surely Granero and Callejon will be the first to go to the VIP Box.

Not really any change. I think Mourinho is still going to prefer Khedira in midfield. Sahin if he is ever fit might play against week teams or as a substitute. It will be interesting to see if Coentrao continues to play in midfield or if he eventually displaces Marcelo. Apart from that it's the same team. Which will mean we won't be good enough to win the league but we'll have a shot at the CL so long as we don't cross paths with Barcelona.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Lordanger on Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:43 pm

id say villa is more likely to be dropped than pedro as he just doesnt play the wide roll that well in all honesty.

to win the CL you, and everyone else, will have to beat barca.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by bluenine on Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:27 pm

Lordanger wrote:id say villa is more likely to be dropped than pedro as he just doesnt play the wide roll that well in all honesty.

to win the CL you, and everyone else, will have to beat barca.
I can't wait to see Milan take on barca... they may be among the very few teams (along with Real and Man Utd) who could take them out in the KO stage... However, in the group phase, without any pressure, I expect Barca to thrash Milan. And that will be fun to watch Wink

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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by S4P on Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:25 am

Milan couldn't take out Tottenham. Man Utd have tried (and failed spectacularly) on 2 separate occasions. The only team capable of stopping Barcelona is Real Madrid, but even then they will need a lot of good fortune.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Pras_tama on Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:35 am

In term of beating Barca or at least getting close to them, IMO we should consider Manchester City too
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:33 am

Jaimito el Crack wrote:
Not really any change.

One big substantial change: One year of experience as a team, improving the understanding and team play and evolving the game. More or less same players, but different team.

Barca are still the team to beat in all competitions, but the gap is smaller than it was last season.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Isco Benny on Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:58 pm

S4P wrote: The only team capable of stopping Barcelona is Real Madrid, but even then they will need a lot of good fortune.

ok

Although City continue as they are, they could be challenging those 2 soon. They'll be beefing up again in January don't think for a second they've stopped.

Man United are also a better team/squad than last and have a lovely blend of young and experienced players who will only get better the longer they continue playing with each other.

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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Guest on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:12 pm

I think city can give us a run for our money, but they need a better defense for that, well its either that are going back to how the played last season, in which case, we will get it over two legs.

Man Utd, no disrespect, wouldn't make us break much of a sweat, with the team they currently got.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Lordanger on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:32 pm


having not seen milan play this season i cant really say but judging on last years team i'd wager good money on them getting battered. man for man maybe T silva would get in the barca team, the rest no chance.
city have the players to worry barca but would manchini have the bottle to play the team he did at the weekend? i'd agree they probably need a stronger defence to compete.
real and barca are easily the best two teams in europe IMO.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Lordanger on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:34 pm

and utd still dont have any top class CM players. Barca are almost custom designed to beat Man Utd. 4-4-2 has no chance against barca and there 9 midfielders Smile
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Luis on Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:33 pm

What was your best XI before the transfer window opened, i.e. last season?

------------------Reina---------------------

--Kelly------Carragher----------Agger----------Johnson-----------

------------------Lucas------Gerrard----------------------------

------------------------Meireles----------------------------------

---------Kuyt------------------------------Maxi----------------

--------------------------Suarez--------------------------------

You best XI after the transfer window closed, current best XI?

---------------------------Reina----------------------------------

----Kelly-----------Carra-----------Agger-----------Enrique------

----------------------Lucas--------Gerrard----------------------

-----------------------------Adam------------------------------

-----Kuyt-----------------------------------------Downing------

--------------------------Suarez-------------------------------

Grade for your managers transfer dealings this summer?

Already done on the other thread - B +

All the deadwood cleared and squad strengthened.

Any players sold or not signed that you will live to regret during the season?

If we get a few midfield injuries we could regret not having Meireles anymore. I don't think we missed out on too many of our targets - we'll never know if Mata was genuinely a target or not I suppose but would have been nice to get a player of his quality in.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by bluenine on Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:13 pm

Lordanger wrote:
having not seen milan play this season i cant really say but judging on last years team i'd wager good money on them getting battered. man for man maybe T silva would get in the barca team, the rest no chance.
city have the players to worry barca but would manchini have the bottle to play the team he did at the weekend? i'd agree they probably need a stronger defence to compete.
real and barca are easily the best two teams in europe IMO.
Where have I heard that before? Yeah, just before the Inter-Barca CL semifinal, that "man-for-man only Eto'o will break into the Barca team"... and we know how that game turned out...

Such comparisons means little in a team game. And as we know, they can be a bit subjective. Like I would prefer Van Bommel over Busquets or Ibra/Pato/Robinho over Pedro.

The key for me is that Milan have gradually learnt how to defend as a team under Allegri. They have become better and better, even if the personnel haven't changed much (tho they bought well to cover their gaps). Milan conceeded 5 goals in their last 17 Serie A games. Yes, I do believe they could take anyone out over a KO round, even barca. It will require a great performance from them, and yeah, they will ve to punch above their weight, but they are one of the very few teams who could do it.

That said, I doubt they will be able to get THAT kind of motivation during a group game, so like every other team, I expect them to get thrashed.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by bluenine on Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:16 pm

Messiah wrote:I think city can give us a run for our money, but they need a better defense for that, well its either that are going back to how the played last season, in which case, we will get it over two legs.

Man Utd, no disrespect, wouldn't make us break much of a sweat, with the team they currently got.
I agree. They need to buy a world class CB and a FB in January, and they could trouble Barca.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Calidad on Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:44 pm

bluenine wrote:
Messiah wrote:I think city can give us a run for our money, but they need a better defense for that, well its either that are going back to how the played last season, in which case, we will get it over two legs.

Man Utd, no disrespect, wouldn't make us break much of a sweat, with the team they currently got.
I agree. They need to buy a world class CB and a FB in January, and they could trouble Barca.

Literally all of City's personnel are inferior to Barca's though. Kompany and Aguero may have a sniff in Barca's XI, Silva and Toure too are good players, but they're all still a level below their Barca equivalents.

Even ignoring their respective quality for a minute, Barca are much more of a team than City could ever hope to be at the minute. I'm not saying City wouldn't cause them problems, but I think Barca would end up comfortable winners.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Lordanger on Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:57 pm

bluenine wrote:
Lordanger wrote:
having not seen milan play this season i cant really say but judging on last years team i'd wager good money on them getting battered. man for man maybe T silva would get in the barca team, the rest no chance.
city have the players to worry barca but would manchini have the bottle to play the team he did at the weekend? i'd agree they probably need a stronger defence to compete.
real and barca are easily the best two teams in europe IMO.
Where have I heard that before? Yeah, just before the Inter-Barca CL semifinal, that "man-for-man only Eto'o will break into the Barca team"... and we know how that game turned out...

Such comparisons means little in a team game. And as we know, they can be a bit subjective. Like I would prefer Van Bommel over Busquets or Ibra/Pato/Robinho over Pedro.

The key for me is that Milan have gradually learnt how to defend as a team under Allegri. They have become better and better, even if the personnel haven't changed much (tho they bought well to cover their gaps). Milan conceeded 5 goals in their last 17 Serie A games. Yes, I do believe they could take anyone out over a KO round, even barca. It will require a great performance from them, and yeah, they will ve to punch above their weight, but they are one of the very few teams who could do it.

That said, I doubt they will be able to get THAT kind of motivation during a group game, so like every other team, I expect them to get thrashed.

well id say Mr Volcanic Ash Cloud was your best player that night but yes the collective is more important than the individual. but are barca not a great team made up of brilliant individuals?
your would really take robinho over pedro? it would depend on the role in the team but i'd rather the humble and hardworking pedro over zlatan/robinho any day of the week. pedro is v underrated IMO and pato is stagnating.
Milan's midfield isn't up to it. they are either too slow, too old or just not good enough. I'd also say they are weak in the fullback area and when you speak of defending as a team are you trying to tell me Zlatan and Robinho defend!!??
but nothing is impossible and football is always surprising us.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by bluenine on Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:32 pm

Lordanger wrote:
bluenine wrote:
Lordanger wrote:
having not seen milan play this season i cant really say but judging on last years team i'd wager good money on them getting battered. man for man maybe T silva would get in the barca team, the rest no chance.
city have the players to worry barca but would manchini have the bottle to play the team he did at the weekend? i'd agree they probably need a stronger defence to compete.
real and barca are easily the best two teams in europe IMO.
Where have I heard that before? Yeah, just before the Inter-Barca CL semifinal, that "man-for-man only Eto'o will break into the Barca team"... and we know how that game turned out...

Such comparisons means little in a team game. And as we know, they can be a bit subjective. Like I would prefer Van Bommel over Busquets or Ibra/Pato/Robinho over Pedro.

The key for me is that Milan have gradually learnt how to defend as a team under Allegri. They have become better and better, even if the personnel haven't changed much (tho they bought well to cover their gaps). Milan conceeded 5 goals in their last 17 Serie A games. Yes, I do believe they could take anyone out over a KO round, even barca. It will require a great performance from them, and yeah, they will ve to punch above their weight, but they are one of the very few teams who could do it.

That said, I doubt they will be able to get THAT kind of motivation during a group game, so like every other team, I expect them to get thrashed.

well id say Mr Volcanic Ash Cloud was your best player that night but yes the collective is more important than the individual. but are barca not a great team made up of brilliant individuals?
your would really take robinho over pedro? it would depend on the role in the team but i'd rather the humble and hardworking pedro over zlatan/robinho any day of the week. pedro is v underrated IMO and pato is stagnating.
Milan's midfield isn't up to it. they are either too slow, too old or just not good enough. I'd also say they are weak in the fullback area and when you speak of defending as a team are you trying to tell me Zlatan and Robinho defend!!??
but nothing is impossible and football is always surprising us.

1. Mr Volcanic ash cloud, LOL! One of the most ridiculous loser's excuse ever? Barca were out-thought and beaten that night, deal with it Razz

2. Yes, Robinho over Pedro. Have you seen Robinho's work rate at Milan? Yes, he does defend!! Robinho has changed, mate. He is more gifted than Pedro, and he works hard too. IMO there is no contest.

3. Milan's starting midfield --> Van Bommel, Aquilani, Boateng & Robinho. That does not look too old to me, apart from Van Bommel.

4. Pato is stagnating? I don't get that...

No one is suggesting that Milan are better than Barca. Far from it. All I am saying is that they (along with Real and maybe Man Utd / Man City) are one of the few teams that have the quality/experience to take Barca down in a KO round.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by COTR on Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:48 pm

With Ibra in their team ?

Quite funny how you think that midfield would be able to compete with Barca's Bluey. Barca would eat Milan alive. It would be even easier than the yearly walkover against Man U. You must surely be the only person on the board who would think they would have a decent chance.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Lordanger on Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:07 pm

1. you might be right. but it had to have an effect but fair enough ill give you this one. i was just being a bit mischievous Wink

2. i'll have to see it to believe it but ive never ever seen him do anything remotely like defending for club or country. no doubt he has more skill but id have pedro in my team over him anyday.robinho goes misssing in big games, pedro tends to score in them.

3.Van Bommel, Aquilani, Boateng & Robinho V xavi, busquets, iniesta and messi/cesc? come on dude you is tripping bro!

4.pato is no better now than he was when he was 18. he needs to put the effort in and improve him game and fulfill his great potential.

its fair enough to say Milan have a chance, it would be silly to write them off totally but i really dont see them having much hope. spurs did them pretty easily last year TBH. Spurs with their two man midfield!!! i guess we will see in the coming weeks and if milan do ok you can bump this. Wink
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by bluenine on Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:43 pm

Lordanger wrote:1. you might be right. but it had to have an effect but fair enough ill give you this one. i was just being a bit mischievous Wink

2. i'll have to see it to believe it but ive never ever seen him do anything remotely like defending for club or country. no doubt he has more skill but id have pedro in my team over him anyday.robinho goes misssing in big games, pedro tends to score in them.

3.Van Bommel, Aquilani, Boateng & Robinho V xavi, busquets, iniesta and messi/cesc? come on dude you is tripping bro!

4.pato is no better now than he was when he was 18. he needs to put the effort in and improve him game and fulfill his great potential.

its fair enough to say Milan have a chance, it would be silly to write them off totally but i really dont see them having much hope. spurs did them pretty easily last year TBH. Spurs with their two man midfield!!! i guess we will see in the coming weeks and if milan do ok you can bump this. Wink

Believe me, we were all shocked to see Robinho putting in serious work rate every game last season!

Lets just agree to disagree on this point. Barca are pretty tough to take out for any team, it may not happen this season anyways and they could become the first back to back winner of the CL... they probably have the best shot anyone ever had of doing that...
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by bluenine on Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:13 pm

Lordanger wrote:1. you might be right. but it had to have an effect but fair enough ill give you this one. i was just being a bit mischievous Wink

2. i'll have to see it to believe it but ive never ever seen him do anything remotely like defending for club or country. no doubt he has more skill but id have pedro in my team over him anyday.robinho goes misssing in big games, pedro tends to score in them.

3.Van Bommel, Aquilani, Boateng & Robinho V xavi, busquets, iniesta and messi/cesc? come on dude you is tripping bro!

4.pato is no better now than he was when he was 18. he needs to put the effort in and improve him game and fulfill his great potential.

its fair enough to say Milan have a chance, it would be silly to write them off totally but i really dont see them having much hope. spurs did them pretty easily last year TBH. Spurs with their two man midfield!!! i guess we will see in the coming weeks and if milan do ok you can bump this. Wink
As requested, courtesy goals by the "stagnating" Pato and the only Milan player deemed good enough for Barca Razz
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Lordanger on Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:32 am

twas a nice goal by pato no doubt, he made busquets look like he was running in deep sand. i still dont see much in this milan side to be honest, four or five players who just arnt top quality no matter how you look at it. another day they dont have lady luck quite so much on their side and get a schooling but fair play they did pretty well, in a small club defending for their lives kinda way.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by bluenine on Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:38 am

Lordanger wrote:twas a nice goal by pato no doubt, he made busquets look like he was running in deep sand. i still dont see much in this milan side to be honest, four or five players who just arnt top quality no matter how you look at it. another day they dont have lady luck quite so much on their side and get a schooling but fair play they did pretty well, in a small club defending for their lives kinda way.
You don't really give much, do you? Razz

The main discussion point was that this Milan was one of the very few teams that could take Barca out in a KO round. And I think they proved that yesterday. If it were a KO round, Barca would be a bit worried now.

Yes, there was an element of luck, but when you play a side like Barca, you need some luck. Another day, Barca could ve given Milan a schooling, no doubt. No one is arguing which is the better side, Barca are head & shoulders above anyone in Europe. But if anyone can, Real & Milan could take them out in a KO round.
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Re: Transfer Window: Before and After?

Post by Lordanger on Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:16 am

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'The main discussion point was that this Milan was one of the very few teams that could take Barca out in a KO round.' fair point, they did do enough to worry them.
nesta and silva were immense, nesta tackle on messi in 2nd half rolled back the years. classical.

id also say man city would give them a good game on current form, they have the firepower to beat anyone. looking forward to watching them take on napoli tonight. hopefully will be a great game too.

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