Iniesta is better than Zidane

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:17 pm

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:30 am

who the fack is glen?
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Isco Benny on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:03 am

worms. wrote:When people look back in 50 years time they will see Xavi and Iniesta won more trophies than Zidane.

That's all that matters.

Is this how people remember players? I think you are very much mistaken.

People remember moments, not long lists of personal achievements.

Pele, Maradonna and Johan Cruyff as exampls:

people remember Maradonna's goal, Cruyff's turn, Pele's hat trick VS Sweden.

We don't sit there reading lists of trophy they won when we compare them.

People will remember Zidane for his CL goal at Hampden, his two goals in the World Cup final, his penalty against Italy, his headbutt on Matterazzi, his domination and 30 yard run against Portugal in Euro 2000 semi's, his bossing of Brazil in WC 2006 quarter final.

Zidane gave so many ranging varied memories of a player who stood head and shoulders above his peers.

I'm not saying Xavi or Iniesta haven't either, but as far as I'm concerned there aren't half as many varying Xavi or Iniesta moments burnt into my memory as there was with Zidane, or even Ronaldinho for that matter.

It's utterly subjective, you are welcome to feel Xavi / Iniesta are better because they won more trophies, but in 50 years time people will remember the moments, not the stats. And few can say they offered more than Zizou. Not even Gary Neville Ale
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:10 am

Disco Benny wrote:
worms. wrote:When people look back in 50 years time they will see Xavi and Iniesta won more trophies than Zidane.

That's all that matters.

Is this how people remember players? I think you are very much mistaken.

People remember moments, not long lists of personal achievements.

Pele, Maradonna and Johan Cruyff as exampls:

people remember Maradonna's goal, Cruyff's turn, Pele's hat trick VS Sweden.

We don't sit there reading lists of trophy they won when we compare them.

People will remember Zidane for his CL goal at Hampden, his two goals in the World Cup final, his penalty against Italy, his headbutt on Matterazzi, his domination and 30 yard run against Portugal in Euro 2000 semi's, his bossing of Brazil in WC 2006 quarter final.
Zidane gave so many ranging varied memories of a player who stood head and shoulders above his peers.

I'm not saying Xavi or Iniesta haven't either, but as far as I'm concerned there aren't half as many varying Xavi or Iniesta moments burnt into my memory as there was with Zidane, or even Ronaldinho for that matter.

It's utterly subjective, you are welcome to feel Xavi / Iniesta are better because they won more trophies, but in 50 years time people will remember the moments, not the stats. And few can say they offered more than Zizou. Not even Gary Neville Ale

Thats what facktards who only watch football every 2 years will remember. The people who actually watched him saw how crap he was at Juventus.

someone from juve said hes nicer to watch than he is actually good at football, or something like that.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:14 am

How crap he was at Juventus?

Serie A footballer of the year 2000-01, Serie A foriegn footballer of the year 97 and 01. Voted by Serie A footballers.

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:16 am

del piero was the one who carried that team. as soon as he got injured zidane couldnt carry the team and they won nothing. as soon as zidane left, juve started winning again.

Suck on that you french f@aggot!
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Isco Benny on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:17 am

Even if it were true that he wasn't the real deal at Juve (it's not), footballers don't become world class overnight and remain that way. Both Xavi and Iniesta took time bedding in at Barcelona. It's quite natural
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:18 am

xavi was a key part of the title winning team for van gal in 1999. imo he was better than rivaldo.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:33 am

With Zidane, 2 Serie A titles + 2 CL finals

Without Zidane, 2 Serie A titles + 1 CL finals + Calciopoli desperation

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:37 am

those 2 serie a finals and cl finals were with del piero b4 his big injury. del piero was the reason for those achievements.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:51 am

Lippi and Davids have alluded Zidane's the best. ok
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by S4P on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:53 am

3 worms on a shirt wrote:those 2 serie a finals and cl finals were with del piero b4 his big injury. del piero was the reason for those achievements.

lol!

One could make a similar claim about Ronaldinho from 2004-06 and Messi/Guardiola since 2008.

But such claims would be equally ridiculous.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Isco Benny on Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:14 pm

Zidane bossing Barcelona (and Xavi) in 2003:



Aside from the immaculate technique, he was an absolute physical specimin to boot, and was not interested in falling over clutching his face like so many of the Barcelona c**ts.

I just cannot understand anyone questioning the greatness of the man.

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Jaime on Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:18 pm

Disco Benny wrote:Zidane bossing Barcelona (and Xavi) in 2003:



Aside from the immaculate technique, he was an absolute physical specimin to boot, and was not interested in falling over clutching his face like so many of the Barcelona c**ts.

I just cannot understand anyone questioning the greatness of the man.


The more things change, the more they stay the same. Ale
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Pirlo on Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:22 pm

Disco Benny wrote:Zidane bossing Barcelona (and Xavi) in 2003:

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Aside from the immaculate technique, he was an absolute physical specimin to boot, and was not interested in falling over clutching his face like so many of the Barcelona c**ts.

I just cannot understand anyone questioning the greatness of the man.


It's the elegance, the deft touch, the vision, the brains. It's what set Zidane, Rui Costa, Baggio, Pirlo, Redondo, Ronaldinho etc aoart from other great players, the moments, the genius. They weren't robotic, they were inspiring.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Romford Pele on Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:23 pm

Jaime wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:Zidane bossing Barcelona (and Xavi) in 2003:



Aside from the immaculate technique, he was an absolute physical specimin to boot, and was not interested in falling over clutching his face like so many of the Barcelona c**ts.

I just cannot understand anyone questioning the greatness of the man.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I'm sure that's a lyric Wink
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:34 pm

Disco Benny wrote:Zidane bossing Barcelona (and Xavi) in 2003:



Aside from the immaculate technique, he was an absolute physical specimin to boot, and was not interested in falling over clutching his face like so many of the Barcelona c**ts.

I just cannot understand anyone questioning the greatness of the man.


all i saw was zidane elbowing puyol and then fighting luis enrique lol!
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:35 pm

Fade out wrote:Lippi and Davids have alluded Zidane's the best. ok

lippi was happy to see the back of zidane and get nedved instead

nedved>zidane
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:01 pm

Nedved is a fine player, but he was never as influential..

"The greatest player of the past 20 years? It has to be Zidane. He had everything. You never needed to tell him anything as he did it all by himself and knew what was expected," Lippi told Il Mattino.

"In the 20 years before him. Diego Maradona was arguably the best. There's no doubt about that in my opinion."


http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1956/europe/2011/09/29/2688413/marcello-lippi-former-juventus-and-real-madrid-star-zinedine

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:05 pm

Pirlo wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:Zidane bossing Barcelona (and Xavi) in 2003:



Aside from the immaculate technique, he was an absolute physical specimin to boot, and was not interested in falling over clutching his face like so many of the Barcelona c**ts.

I just cannot understand anyone questioning the greatness of the man.


It's the elegance, the deft touch, the vision, the brains. It's what set Zidane, Rui Costa, Baggio, Pirlo, Redondo, Ronaldinho etc aoart from other great players, the moments, the genius. They weren't robotic, they were inspiring.

That was just a sample. Some ignorant tossers need to watch entire games, pity that there's no 'all in touch' videos more (Zidane defined this tag!).

Zidane schooled Barca. Dirty pigs like Luis Enrique and Puyol will make Pepe and Ramos look like kids in comparison. Laughing
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:22 pm

Fade out wrote:Nedved is a fine player, but he was never as influential..

"The greatest player of the past 20 years? It has to be Zidane. He had everything. You never needed to tell him anything as he did it all by himself and knew what was expected," Lippi told Il Mattino.

"In the 20 years before him. Diego Maradona was arguably the best. There's no doubt about that in my opinion."


http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1956/europe/2011/09/29/2688413/marcello-lippi-former-juventus-and-real-madrid-star-zinedine

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Fuck off loser. Laughing

goal.com is not a reliable source. All the writers there smoke weeds.

Nedved basically got juventus to a champions final. zidane never did that.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:29 pm

lol!
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:29 pm

anyway i don't think zidane was even the best playermaker in serie a. rui costa and veron were better
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:36 pm

Another unsubstantiated theory. Different kind of playmakers Ale

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:38 pm

no they were all attacking midfielders.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:50 pm

For argument sake, why did Serie A players voted for Zidane more times as player of the season than Rui Costa, and Veron. While fantastic playmakers, they were still in lesser pedestal than Zidane and Totti.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:01 pm

bcoz zidane played for juventus
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:03 pm

IS that all you got? Doh Even when Juve were struggling, Zidane was voted the best for maintaining consistently great level. That he performs great once in three games is a myth that's fabricated by non-believers and homeless people.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by The Easter Bunny on Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:52 pm

3 worms on a shirt wrote:xavi was a key part of the title winning team for van gal in 1999. imo he was better than rivaldo.

lol! They wanted to sell Xavi
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:05 pm

Disco Benny wrote:Zidane bossing Barcelona (and Xavi) in 2003:



Aside from the immaculate technique, he was an absolute physical specimin to boot, and was not interested in falling over clutching his face like so many of the Barcelona c**ts.

I just cannot understand anyone questioning the greatness of the man.


lol! xavi was 23 then, did you see how the dortmund midfield and Paul lambert schooled a youngish zidane, doesn't mean he is better now does it.

Kool video though

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