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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:06 pm

The Easter Bunny wrote:
3 worms on a shirt wrote:xavi was a key part of the title winning team for van gal in 1999. imo he was better than rivaldo.

lol! They wanted to sell Xavi

lol! lol! lol! lol! , get your information straight, rosell wanted to sell xavi, somne 3 years later
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:09 pm

Better than Rivaldo lol! Must be Glen
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by The Easter Bunny on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:25 pm

messiah wrote:
The Easter Bunny wrote:
3 worms on a shirt wrote:xavi was a key part of the title winning team for van gal in 1999. imo he was better than rivaldo.

lol! They wanted to sell Xavi

lol! lol! lol! lol! , get your information straight, rosell wanted to sell xavi, somne 3 years later

So a player who was so good, that he could be considered a key player at just 19 years of age wasn't good enough 3 years later Laughing Anyway, I never put in a time frame of when they wanted to sell him, your doing a worms here dear.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:34 pm



watch him boss the midfield, count the touches.

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:35 pm

The Easter Bunny wrote:
messiah wrote:
The Easter Bunny wrote:
3 worms on a shirt wrote:xavi was a key part of the title winning team for van gal in 1999. imo he was better than rivaldo.

lol! They wanted to sell Xavi

lol! lol! lol! lol! , get your information straight, rosell wanted to sell xavi, somne 3 years later

So a player who was so good, that he could be considered a key player at just 19 years of age wasn't good enough 3 years later Laughing Anyway, I never put in a time frame of when they wanted to sell him, your doing a worms here dear.

Everyone knows rosell is a too
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:45 pm

Fade out wrote:IS that all you got? Doh Even when Juve were struggling, Zidane was voted the best for maintaining consistently great level. That he performs great once in three games is a myth that's fabricated by non-believers and homeless people.

no he wasn't. conte was.

If zidane did perform they wouldn't have lost the scudetto in 99,00 and 01
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:49 pm

that video also goes to my main criticism of Zidane he is as capricious as they come and that's why he didn't win as much league titles as his godly talent deserves, with xavi he is always professional even when he is having a bad game, its never like his team is playing with 10 men.

Watch the entire game, if you would like. it available on the net.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:56 pm

Remember this is the best player since maradona we are taking about, Maradona helped a "shit" Napoli team to two league titles when Serie A had a bunch of teams that could win the league, much like in the 90's when zidane played.

So why could zidane Help teams with much better players than Maradona had to more than 3 league titles, CONSISTENCY.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by The Easter Bunny on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:28 pm

messiah wrote:Remember this is the best player since maradona we are taking about, Maradona helped a "shit" Napoli team to two league titles when Serie A had a bunch of teams that could win the league, much like in the 90's when zidane played.


Many Italian posters do not regard Maradona's Napoli as shit, i'm sure if you ask Abudance, Tarum or Bluenine they can correct you about this.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:29 pm

3 worms on a shirt wrote:If zidane did perform they wouldn't have lost the scudetto in 99,00 and 01

Still was voted as best player in 01 Ale Proves my case. Rolling Eyes
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:30 pm

The Easter Bunny wrote:
messiah wrote:Remember this is the best player since maradona we are taking about, Maradona helped a "shit" Napoli team to two league titles when Serie A had a bunch of teams that could win the league, much like in the 90's when zidane played.


Many Italian posters do not regard Maradona's Napoli as shit, i'm sure if you ask Abudance, Tarum or Bluenine they can correct you about this.

Hence the "shit"
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by abundance on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:32 pm

3 worms on a shirt wrote:If zidane did perform they wouldn't have lost the scudetto in 99,00 and 01
Zidane did perform.

'99 was the natural end of the first Lippi cycle, typical mental burn-out, they got 7th and Lippi was sacked during the season which is an exceptional event for Juve.
'00 they missed the Scudetto for 1 point, behind the best Lazio ever.
'01 for 2, behind the best Roma ever.
Ask Ancelotti, Del Piero, Van der Sar and Collina to know about those 3 points missing. ;-)


messiah wrote:Remember this is the best player since maradona we are taking about, Maradona helped a "shit" Napoli team to two league titles when Serie A had a bunch of teams that could win the league, much like in the 90's when zidane played.

So why could zidane Help teams with much better players than Maradona had to more than 3 league titles, CONSISTENCY.
This thing of the shit Napoli team keeps re-emerging ever so often.
Once again, the scudettos winning Napoli was by no means a shitty team. Wasn't the best team around but was an extremely solid top 3 team even if you took out Maradona.

It took three years since Maradona came to Napoli to get that.
1st year he indeed had a shitty team around him, they finished mid table.
2nd year they improved it much and got third
3rd year the team was finally top notch and they won the league.
Then they got 2 second places with a team that you couldn't say was comparatively worse than Ancelotti's Juve, and then another scudetto.

Pretty similar CONSISTENCY
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:32 pm

No. of people who think Zidane is greater than Maradona = 0. Yet Messiah acts like a drama queen.

And don't understand how putting one Xavi compilation on youtube in 2003-04 proves Zidane is 'capricious' (one would think he's describing Arshavin and not Zidane, and I'd say well done for not dropping dead with brain stroke for using that word to describe Zidane)..

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by worms. on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:32 pm

Napoli were a good team but nowhere near as good as the Juve team Zidane played for.Napoli didn't do anything in the European Cup.Juve reached 2 finals.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by The Easter Bunny on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:35 pm

abundance wrote:

messiah wrote:Remember this is the best player since maradona we are taking about, Maradona helped a "shit" Napoli team to two league titles when Serie A had a bunch of teams that could win the league, much like in the 90's when zidane played.

So why could zidane Help teams with much better players than Maradona had to more than 3 league titles, CONSISTENCY.
This thing of the shit Napoli team keeps re-emerging ever so often.
Once again, the scudettos winning Napoli was by no means a shitty team. Wasn't the best team around but was an extremely solid top 3 team even if you took out Maradona.

It took three years since Maradona came to Napoli to get that.
1st year he indeed had a shitty team around him, they finished mid table.
2nd year they improved it much and got third
3rd year the team was finally top notch and they won the league.
Then they got 2 second places with a team that you couldn't say was comparatively worse than Ancelotti's Juve, and then another scudetto.

Pretty similar CONSISTENCY

cheers

Abundance, what are your thoughts behind Zidane?
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by abundance on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:37 pm

The Easter Bunny wrote:Many Italian posters do not regard Maradona's Napoli as shit, i'm sure if you ask Abudance, Tarum or Bluenine they can correct you about this.
LOL was writing that while you were writing this

messiah wrote:Hence the "shit"
Okay then, it wasn't more "shit" than Ancelotti's Juventus, that had to live with a very flakey keeper and a ghost forward (Van der Sar and Del Piero in the worst phase ever of their careers)
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:37 pm

abundance wrote:
3 worms on a shirt wrote:If zidane did perform they wouldn't have lost the scudetto in 99,00 and 01
Zidane did perform.

'99 was the natural end of the first Lippi cycle, typical mental burn-out, they got 7th and Lippi was sacked during the season which is an exceptional event for Juve.
'00 they missed the Scudetto for 1 point, behind the best Lazio ever.
'01 for 2, behind the best Roma ever.
Ask Ancelotti, Del Piero, Van der Sar and Collina to know about those 3 points missing. ;-)


messiah wrote:Remember this is the best player since maradona we are taking about, Maradona helped a "shit" Napoli team to two league titles when Serie A had a bunch of teams that could win the league, much like in the 90's when zidane played.

So why could zidane Help teams with much better players than Maradona had to more than 3 league titles, CONSISTENCY.
This thing of the shit Napoli team keeps re-emerging ever so often.
Once again, the scudettos winning Napoli was by no means a shitty team. Wasn't the best team around but was an extremely solid top 3 team even if you took out Maradona.

It took three years since Maradona came to Napoli to get that.
1st year he indeed had a shitty team around him, they finished mid table.
2nd year they improved it much and got third
3rd year the team was finally top notch and they won the league.
Then they got 2 second places with a team that you couldn't say was comparatively worse than Ancelotti's Juve, and then another scudetto.

Pretty similar CONSISTENCY


Do Europeans not understand the air quotes "shit", I am aware he had a good team around him, it's just that maradona is one of those that people constantly say won it single-handedly

Ok it seems a need to spell it out maradona help a very talented Napoli team to 2 league titles, but those Naopli teams didn't have as much talent has Juve and madrid had, now I am expecting the best player since maradona surrounded by better players to have been able to help those teams to more than 3 league titles given that he had a better supporting cast.





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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by worms. on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:41 pm

The maradona argument is irrelevant anyway,the only play comparable to Maradona is Messi.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by the real white worm on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:42 pm

abundance wrote:
3 worms on a shirt wrote:If zidane did perform they wouldn't have lost the scudetto in 99,00 and 01
Zidane did perform.

'99 was the natural end of the first Lippi cycle, typical mental burn-out, they got 7th and Lippi was sacked during the season which is an exceptional event for Juve.
'00 they missed the Scudetto for 1 point, behind the best Lazio ever.
'01 for 2, behind the best Roma ever.
Ask Ancelotti, Del Piero, Van der Sar and Collina to know about those 3 points missing. ;-)

i don't know man.

99 they lost del piero earlyin the season and then after that zidane couldn't up to the plate. bbefore del piero got injured they were on course for the title. didn't lippi resign?

in 00 they had like a 15 point lead or sumink and then lost it. Chokers!

01 they lost to a roma side with tomassi in midfield lol!

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:43 pm

We understand shit as shit, not what an illiterate Jamaican would connote to, much to his bewildered imagination..
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by abundance on Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:31 pm

messiah wrote:Do Europeans not understand the air quotes "shit", I am aware he had a good team around him, it's just that maradona is one of those that people constantly say won it single-handedly
Ok then I got caught in the typical "Why I wasn't consulted!?!" debate reflex Hug

messiah wrote:Ok it seems a need to spell it out maradona help a very talented Napoli team to 2 league titles, but those Naopli teams didn't have as much talent has Juve and madrid had, now I am expecting the best player since maradona surrounded by better players to have been able to help those teams to more than 3 league titles given that he had a better supporting cast.
Let's assume that even if it's not that straightforward to judge, anyway my point is, Maradona's Napoli was a very good team but not the very best around, Ancelotti's Juve was a very good team but Eriksson's Lazio and Capello's Milan were better, so not much difference.



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99 they lost del piero earlyin the season and then after that zidane couldn't up to the plate. bbefore del piero got injured they were on course for the title. didn't lippi resign?
There was a general burn out from what I remember apart from Del Piero injury.
And yeah Lippi resigned, whatevs, it's just because both parties were too full of themselves to swallow sacking/getting the sack.
They had to part ways there were physical confrontations during training sessions by then.

3 worms on a shirt wrote:in 00 they had like a 15 point lead or sumink and then lost it. Chokers!
Ancelotti's effect cheers
And that last game in Perugia played in 20cm of rain after almost 1 hour of suspension.

3 worms on a shirt wrote:
01 they lost to a roma side with tomassi in midfield lol!
And Batistuta, Totti, Montella, Cafu, Candela, Emerson, Samuel... and their boss Capello.





The Easter Bunny wrote:Abundance, what are your thoughts behind Zidane?
Already allowed myself to get too much into this "shit" =D

I'll just say, I remember seeing Zidane for the first time in autumn '96 in a bar (1st year with pay-tv football, God seems another life), Juventus-Inter
At the time I knew shit about foreign players, I was so happy we got this Djorkaeff bloke who perfomed well at the Euros if I remember correctly and was super skillful and a joy to watch, while Juve got this balding guy who was heralded as the second coming of Platini, but he seemed slow to adapt, and Agnelli himself said he was crap at the Euro.
Watched this game and my jaw dropped, he was so bossing that I remember thinking "no way we possibly do anything about this, for years"
Fast forward almost 10 years, I'm in the crowd on the banks of the river Arno in front of a 8x4m screen and this guy now totally bald is still pwning away from me the joy of seeing my team succeed.
Respect.


Nowadays there's no player I enjoy watching more than Iniesta, he's a mesmerizing experience, but it's different. Maybe it's just that I'm older and duller.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:53 pm

Similar to my 'discovery' of the great bald one (though my 'discovery' was before he was bald), Abundance. Abundant Respect ok

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by 110% on Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:10 pm

messiah wrote:
abundance wrote:
3 worms on a shirt wrote:If zidane did perform they wouldn't have lost the scudetto in 99,00 and 01
Zidane did perform.

'99 was the natural end of the first Lippi cycle, typical mental burn-out, they got 7th and Lippi was sacked during the season which is an exceptional event for Juve.
'00 they missed the Scudetto for 1 point, behind the best Lazio ever.
'01 for 2, behind the best Roma ever.
Ask Ancelotti, Del Piero, Van der Sar and Collina to know about those 3 points missing. ;-)


messiah wrote:Remember this is the best player since maradona we are taking about, Maradona helped a "shit" Napoli team to two league titles when Serie A had a bunch of teams that could win the league, much like in the 90's when zidane played.

So why could zidane Help teams with much better players than Maradona had to more than 3 league titles, CONSISTENCY.
This thing of the shit Napoli team keeps re-emerging ever so often.
Once again, the scudettos winning Napoli was by no means a shitty team. Wasn't the best team around but was an extremely solid top 3 team even if you took out Maradona.

It took three years since Maradona came to Napoli to get that.
1st year he indeed had a shitty team around him, they finished mid table.
2nd year they improved it much and got third
3rd year the team was finally top notch and they won the league.
Then they got 2 second places with a team that you couldn't say was comparatively worse than Ancelotti's Juve, and then another scudetto.

Pretty similar CONSISTENCY


Do Europeans not understand the air quotes "shit", I am aware he had a good team around him, it's just that maradona is one of those that people constantly say won it single-handedly

Ok it seems a need to spell it out maradona help a very talented Napoli team to 2 league titles, but those Naopli teams didn't have as much talent has Juve and madrid had, now I am expecting the best player since maradona surrounded by better players to have been able to help those teams to more than 3 league titles given that he had a better supporting cast.




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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Super Progress on Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:14 pm

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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:17 pm

Ok lets agree on all of that, but thats only in juve, what about madrid, way was zidane the great not able to win more than one league title with a team full of stars, why wasn't he able to over haul Valencia and super depor, barca wasn't even good back then.


Zidane career can be defined using broad stokes and if you look at it like that its very impressive, CL scorer,WC finals scorer, One of the best players at the euros, Help a struggling france team to the 06 final, but if we are to look at the details, we are left with a few questions why didn't he win more at club level when he played for two of the best teams in the world at the time and didn't really suffer from any major injuries.

Xavi career if looked at in broad strokes may not look as impressive but if we get into the details, we have to be impressed, 5 league titles playing a role in all of them (6 but he was out injured for most of the season in one of them) 2 CL medals, bossing the midfield in almost every game on the way

Then we look at his international career and we look at spain, and their is a clear connection between xavi being given the keys to the midfield by Luis and by extension the entire team and what followed was a European and World championship. you can't make this stuff up.
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:18 pm

110% wrote:
messiah wrote:
abundance wrote:
3 worms on a shirt wrote:If zidane did perform they wouldn't have lost the scudetto in 99,00 and 01
Zidane did perform.

'99 was the natural end of the first Lippi cycle, typical mental burn-out, they got 7th and Lippi was sacked during the season which is an exceptional event for Juve.
'00 they missed the Scudetto for 1 point, behind the best Lazio ever.
'01 for 2, behind the best Roma ever.
Ask Ancelotti, Del Piero, Van der Sar and Collina to know about those 3 points missing. ;-)


messiah wrote:Remember this is the best player since maradona we are taking about, Maradona helped a "shit" Napoli team to two league titles when Serie A had a bunch of teams that could win the league, much like in the 90's when zidane played.

So why could zidane Help teams with much better players than Maradona had to more than 3 league titles, CONSISTENCY.
This thing of the shit Napoli team keeps re-emerging ever so often.
Once again, the scudettos winning Napoli was by no means a shitty team. Wasn't the best team around but was an extremely solid top 3 team even if you took out Maradona.

It took three years since Maradona came to Napoli to get that.
1st year he indeed had a shitty team around him, they finished mid table.
2nd year they improved it much and got third
3rd year the team was finally top notch and they won the league.
Then they got 2 second places with a team that you couldn't say was comparatively worse than Ancelotti's Juve, and then another scudetto.

Pretty similar CONSISTENCY


Do Europeans not understand the air quotes "shit", I am aware he had a good team around him, it's just that maradona is one of those that people constantly say won it single-handedly

Ok it seems a need to spell it out maradona help a very talented Napoli team to 2 league titles, but those Naopli teams didn't have as much talent has Juve and madrid had, now I am expecting the best player since maradona surrounded by better players to have been able to help those teams to more than 3 league titles given that he had a better supporting cast.




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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by 110% on Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:00 pm

Great comeback ok

Are there some air quotes missing in all your posts?
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:42 pm

justed finished watching the 09 CL final and how can a football fan think zidane is better than xavi I will never know, for all the 3 goals he scored in major finals and all those he has taken part in. he never in his life so bossed a game, we had a make shift defense and man u could hardly get near them, they had so little of the ball.(xavi makes every area of the team better. and a injured iniesta playing on pain killerr was just jaw droppingly beautiful at times. the domga is strong
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by Fade out on Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:12 pm

Good on Xavi to control a game against a midfield of Anderson and Carrick lol!
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Re: Iniesta is better than Zidane

Post by messiah on Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:28 pm

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