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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by EMP on Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:52 pm

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blutgraetsche wrote:The problem of this board is that it has too many fucking moaners, especially when it comes to international football. Something like genuine excitement doesn't seem to exist anymore, one has to wonder why some actually still watch football matches. Europeanboard is the Statler and Waldorf of football forums.

http://www.europeanboard.net/t23575-omfg-yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess

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Stop moaning about moaners Blut!

Anyway, as for Ghana's recent successes, I feel a bit mixed about that. We invested a lot in the Fey-Afrikakorps there in Ghana. And got fuck all out of it, especially compared to our own Fey-Jugend, nearly bankrupted us. Hope Gabon wins it!

Fey: You do know that the guy you put in charge of the Afrikakorps has another claim to fame. He was a scout for you and decided that a couple of young lads he saw wouldn't make it in Europe. The names of those young players were Kolo Toure and Michael Essien! Could it be that the your choice of leader of the Afrikakorp contributed to what you got back?
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by Super Progress on Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:03 pm

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PuroReturns wrote:EMP! Awesome goal by the Ghanaian. He received the pass, controlled it calmly, lifted the ball, looked at goal, aimed and delivered a powerful and accurate unstoppable shot.

The commentator's first word "I'm not sure he meant that". lol! lol! lol!

Of course not, only Gerrard, Lampard through deflections...are capable of making those shots in his little world. The c**t has some nerve with his ignorance. Biggrin <Ale>

I was there watching it last night and that was an an goal by Emmanuel Agyeman-Badu. I think the commentator should answer the following question: if he didn't mean that, what did he mean? It was either a truly superb goal, or the worst cross in the history of football. I think it is pretty clear that he meant it and the Guinean equaliser wasn't bad either.

John Pantsil said it was a cross as well with his tongue firmly in his cheek!
Yeah I noticed that as well. It seemed very clearly that it was intentional and a superb goal. So far we have seen some very good goals and it almost reminds of ACN 08 which also had a lot of scorchers.
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by Romford Pele on Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:03 pm

Super Progfather wrote:I don't know what people are on about. I think it has pretty good so far and much more entertaining than last ACN which was very tactical with few goals. Already some great and exciting finishes to games like Gabon vs Morocco and Equatorial Guinea vs Senegal. It is true that we are lacking some star power though with no Nigeria/Cameroon/South Africa/Egypt but besides Egypt all of those nations have been rather pathetic in recent years(sorry Romford Biggrin) Although Senegal going out is a bit sad because they were actually playing quite well. And Guinea will probably also go out unless they get a goal soon against Ghana which is a shame because they play some good football as well. Zambia are following postive trends from last time with a shoutout to the Katongo brothers.

MALABO, Equatorial Guinea -- This has been a tournament that has restored the joy to African soccer. Without the traditional powers of Cameroon, Nigeria, South Africa and Egypt, it is as if a great weight both of expectation and fear has been lifted. Only Cte d'Ivoire and Ghana are playing with the albatross of favoritism around their necks, and both have been notably cautious in their opening matches; everybody else seems liberated, as though the subconscious dread of humiliation at the hands of one of the great names has gone (Botswana, who lost by a record 6-1 to Guinea, might regret that). It has been a tournament of fluid, constant attack.

It has already produced two of the greatest finishes to matches in Cup of Nations history. When Kily bent in a 25-yard drive in the final minute to give Equatorial Guinea a 2-1 victory over Senegal, four minutes after the Lions of Teranga had equalized, it prompted the sort of joyous celebrations that raise the hairs on the back of even neutral necks.

If that was beyond Hollywood (a Spanish fourth-division player scoring a goal that good that late in that game in conditions that heavy when his limbs must have felt like lead ....), the sequel took it a stage further. Gabon's win over Morocco was quite possibly the most thrilling international match played in a decade. Morocco led at halftime. Gabon threw on Daniel Cousin, once of Rangers, Lens and Hull City and now, at 34, of Sapins in Libreville. He arrived like a tempest, winning every header. Shots rained in on the Morocco goal until, eventually, a volley from the leanly powerful Pierre-Emerick Aubemayang flew in: 1-1 after 77 minutes.

As fans poured onto the running track and a grinning Ali Bongo, the president of the country, seemed to shake with delight as a general in dress uniform scratched his head behind him, it took two minutes to restart the game. A mere 36 seconds later, Cousin had scored again. Ecstasy was redefined.

But that wasn't it. In the final minute, a Younes Belhanda shot cannoned off the thigh of Charly Moussono and into his arm. It was a debatable foul, but the Gambian referee, Bakary Gassama, had the courage to give it and Houssine Kharja rolled in the penalty. Morocco tried to waste time, but Gassama was strong. He added a fifth minute of injury time and then, in the sixth, Moroccos Mehdi Benatia clattered through the back of Andre Poko on the left corner of the box. Poko was hurt and, by the time he'd been treated and replaced by Lloyd Palun, the clock was past 97.

Bruno Mbanagoye, now at Dinamo Minsk after a career spent most in Tunisia and Turkey, stepped up and whipped the free-kick into the top corner. The rapture, you imagine, must look pretty much like the scenes that followed. This was lump in the throat stuff for everybody, exhausting and uplifting, the perfect finale for a game that, even on second viewing, confirmed its quality.

Is it too strong to say those late winners from Kily and Mbanagoye redeemed the tournament? I'm not sure. The doubts about the rectitude of awarding the hosting rights to countries of questionable reputation and with limited soccer history remain. That there is no simple answer was brought home to me in Mali in 2002. At the time Mali was the fifth-poorest country in the world, and I went there expecting to be appalled at a nation that had spent $60 million on some identikit Chinese stadiums rather than investing the money in infrastructure or food programs that would further the process of improving the lot of its citizens.

But then I saw the celebrations after a 2-0 win over Algeria took the hosts into the quarterfinal. Silencers were taken off mobilettes, so the engines roared in triumph as the riders dragged the lids of petrol cans along the ground, sending up fountains of sparks. Everybody took to the streets; Bamako became one enormous party. I remember clearly one man of at least seventy, his faced deeply lined and his hair white, grabbing my arm and saying, "This is the best night since independence."

Can you put a price on that? A few extra miles of road, a few extra tractors, a few more wells, or an event that became a four-week festival of Malian identity, that nobody who was there, Malian or foreign, will ever forget? You could even argue -- although I'm not sure how you'd ever prove it -- that the spirit of goodwill generated made it $60M well spent even in purely financial terms; after all, a decade on, I'm still telling people how great Mali is and how you really should visit -- I've heard other journalists who were there doing the same.

But leaving that aside, there is a qualm. Can the temporary joy -- and the longer-term memories -- of a soccer tournament, really be set against more fundamental development. To argue it can seem to be legitimizing the "bread and circuses" approach to government satirized by Juvenal. (Actually Juvenal's initial point has been slightly lost; "for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions -- everything," he wrote, "now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses." His attack was on a populace that has turned from lofty ideals to the satisfaction of base desires; he doesn't condemn the imperial government for providing these things.)

Even taking the more familiar interpretation of the phrase -- that is, that so long as governments feed and entertain their people, nobody much cares about anything else -- straight condemnation seems over simplistic. Whatever you may think of the governments of Equatorial Guinea and Gabon -- whatever you may think, indeed, of the way Equatorial Guinea has put together its squad, trawling the world for those of Equatoguinean heritage and those happy to accept a passport of convenience -- do their people not deserve a little joy? Is soccer, perhaps life itself, not richer for moments like those produced by Kily and Mbanagoye?

Separating national team from national government isn't easy, but sometimes it has to be done.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20120130/equatorial-guinea/#ixzz1lA3pmji2

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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by Super Progress on Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:53 pm

Zambia with a clear win against Sudan. Zambia are really coming into their own this time around and Sudan have been surprisingly good but they weren't effective enough at creating chances and too many times got late to tackles which cost them when Farah got his second yellow at the penalty for the second goal. As always of course Chris Katonga showing a good figure and I think they could be a real surprise and challenge to whoever reaches the semi against them. The underdog role suits them well and they seem better defensively than last time around.
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by Rosicky on Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:42 pm

Good to see the 1/4 finals bringing some close exciting games !
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by The Easter Bunny on Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:08 pm

So happy Boka is playing, best LB in the world cheers
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by EMP on Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:55 pm

Rosicky wrote:Good to see the 1/4 finals bringing some close exciting games !

Just think in another year it wil happen again Very Happy
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by EMP on Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:58 pm

Super Progfather wrote:Zambia with a clear win against Sudan. Zambia are really coming into their own this time around and Sudan have been surprisingly good but they weren't effective enough at creating chances and too many times got late to tackles which cost them when Farah got his second yellow at the penalty for the second goal. As always of course Chris Katonga showing a good figure and I think they could be a real surprise and challenge to whoever reaches the semi against them. The underdog role suits them well and they seem better defensively than last time around.

They have been pretty efficient, plus they have the motivation factor of what happened here nearly 20 years ago. They were due the African Cup of Nations in 1994. Incredible that they got to the final at all after what happened.
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by EMP on Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:48 pm

Gabon go out on penalties. 5-4. Aubameyang's was saved by Soumaila Diakite. Seydou Keita scored the winner.
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by Rosicky on Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:21 pm

Awful game.
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Post by EMP on Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:26 pm

Rosicky wrote:Awful game.

Looking forward to the semi-final. Gervinho has a chance of some meaningful silverware and can do it again next year as well. African Cup of Nations is here to stay in January. Your persistent bitching makes that sweeter. lol!
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Post by EMP on Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:30 pm

By the way, has Seydou Keita's comments about the troubles in Mali been reported in Europe. Got some comment from him about it, but its in Spanish. He called on the President of Mali to sort out the violence in Northern Mali. Good for him!
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by Rosicky on Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:40 pm

EMP wrote:
Rosicky wrote:Awful game.

Looking forward to the semi-final. Gervinho has a chance of some meaningful silverware and can do it again next year as well. African Cup of Nations is here to stay in January. Your persistent bitching makes that sweeter. lol!

Gervinho is the reason Arsenal wont win any silverware. He wont even be in the team when he gets back.
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by EMP on Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:09 pm

Rosicky wrote:
EMP wrote:
Rosicky wrote:Awful game.

Looking forward to the semi-final. Gervinho has a chance of some meaningful silverware and can do it again next year as well. African Cup of Nations is here to stay in January. Your persistent bitching makes that sweeter. lol!

Gervinho is the reason Arsenal wont win any silverware. He wont even be in the team when he gets back.

If he doesn't get in the team, how can he be the reason you won't win anything?
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by Isco Benny on Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:27 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:The problem of this board is that it has too many fucking moaners, especially when it comes to international football. Something like genuine excitement doesn't seem to exist anymore, one has to wonder why some actually still watch football matches. Europeanboard is the Statler and Waldorf of football forums.

Glenn's response below definitely explains why this jaded, unimpressed response to football is so prevalent on the internet, and less so in real life.

Christmas Glenn Hysn wrote:when you watch football live it's never quite exciting on television as it is inside the ground. So many awesome goals I've seen live don't measure up when you watch them again on tv. There's a whole generation of football fans now who don't go to watch live matches regularly, and so the internet culture is full of jaded keyboard warriors whose understanding of the game comes from tv, computer games and other jaded keyboard warriors.

The tv coverage of this tournament has been awful, particularly the commentators' relentless homoerotic and racist dictum.
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by Fey on Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:22 am

Fucking gutted Sad

We deserved to win it but Mali snatched a late draw and won on penalties Sad

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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by Romford Pele on Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:43 pm

Ivory Coast and Ghana are definitely playing better than in previous competitions, hope they both make the final.

And Chinston, Walcott is the most likely to drop out.
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Post by EMP on Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:05 pm

Romford Pele wrote:Ivory Coast and Ghana are definitely playing better than in previous competitions, hope they both make the final.

And Chinston, Walcott is the most likely to drop out.

Ominously, people here are saying that Ghana has not clicked into gear yet, but they do seem to have sorted out their goal-scoring problem. Previously they were dependent on Asamoah Gyan - won't be surprised it he becomes Ghana's record scorer before long. They have spread the goals out more with Andre Ayew really looking an indispensible cog in their team now.

Tunisia put up a good fight and it will be an interesting match against Zambia, who have been under-estimated, partly because not been tested fully yet. Mali will be no pushovers either. Tnat said, this should be best chance for ghana or Ivory Coast to win it. Ivory Coast have only wone once in 1992 on penalties, beating Ghana and Ghana's last win was ten years earlier in Libya under the great Charles Gyamfi. Both can claim to be overdue.

Would still like to see Zambia do it though.
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by EMP on Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:55 pm

Has this been reported in Europe?

Seydou Keita made a tearful appeal for peace in his country. Recently more than 20 Tuaregs who want an independent in the north of Mali were killed during fighting near Timbuktu. Keita used the platform of The African Cup of Nations to call for peace in a gesture reminiscent of that of Didier Drogba and his Ivorian team-mates during the Civil war in his country.
I'm appealing to the people to stop, Keita told a press conference. It's not normal, we don't do that. We need peace, we are all Malians. The president of the republic needs to do the most he can to stop it. We are celebrating our win but at the same time we feel very sad. There is a sadness among the players,
Keita then broke down in tears.
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Post by EMP on Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:56 pm

Did you find Ghana v Tunisia an awful match Rosicky?
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Re: African Cup of Nations

Post by Rosicky on Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:07 pm

EMP wrote:Did you find Ghana v Tunisia an awful match Rosicky?

Didnt watch it.
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Post by EMP on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:19 pm

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EMP wrote:Did you find Ghana v Tunisia an awful match Rosicky?

Didnt watch it.

What a surprise? I'm sure others can let you know that it like the other ones that don't suit your CANphobic agenda was a good match with plenty of passion, etc. It went to extra time with Ghana winning 2-1. The semi-finals are tomorrow. Ghana play Zambia and Mali play Ivory Coast. I'll be at the latter.

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Post by 110% on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:22 pm

EMP wrote:
Rosicky wrote:
EMP wrote:Did you find Ghana v Tunisia an awful match Rosicky?

Didnt watch it.

What a surprise? I'm sure others can let you know that it like the other ones that don't suit your CANphobic agenda was a good match with plenty of passion, etc. It went to extra time with Ghana winning 2-1. The semi-finals are tomorrow. Ghana play Zambia and Mali play Ivory Coast. I'll be at the latter.

I think that Rosciky was too busy enjoying the riveting 5 days of cricket to care about spending 90 mins watching football.
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Post by EMP on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:40 pm

110% wrote:
EMP wrote:
Rosicky wrote:
EMP wrote:Did you find Ghana v Tunisia an awful match Rosicky?

Didnt watch it.

What a surprise? I'm sure others can let you know that it like the other ones that don't suit your CANphobic agenda was a good match with plenty of passion, etc. It went to extra time with Ghana winning 2-1. The semi-finals are tomorrow. Ghana play Zambia and Mali play Ivory Coast. I'll be at the latter.

I think that Rosciky was too busy enjoying the riveting 5 days of cricket to care about spending 90 mins watching football.

I heard that was an excellent match with a team dismissed for under a hundred winning. If England had won in such circumstances, what's the betting that Pakistan would have been accused of match-fixing?
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Post by Allez les rouges on Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:34 pm

Pakistan is my favourite international team along with Australia, but to suggest that racism was involved in the proven accusations of fixing is a little off the scale.

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Post by 110% on Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:46 pm

Pakistan probably bet on themselves to win this time, I think that is a riskier strategy since it limits your chances to win (compared to betting on losing), but it makes the fans happier, so I encourage it.
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Post by EMP on Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:50 pm

Allez les rouges wrote:Pakistan is my favourite international team along with Australia, but to suggest that racism was involved in the proven accusations of fixing is a little off the scale.


Actually I wasn't suggesting that at all. I was merely pointing out that if the scores were reversed Pakistan would have been accused of throwing the match and I don't suggest that England did throw the match. I think they were simply outclassed and are not good at playing spin on turning pitches in Asia. It's more a comment on technique. The number one side in the world should have skill and be ale to adapt to unsuited pitches. England didn't. Pakistan always gets accused - sometimes with merit - but not always. They were even accused of murdering Bob Woolmer - the non-crime of the century! The motive applied to South Africa even more than Pakistan, but Graeme Smith and Jacques Kallis were not hauled in for questioning and rightly so. There appears to be a different standard applied to Pakistan than others. Not necessarily racist, but some of the accusation have been proven to be complete crap. Interesting that PCB leapt to defence of Butt and his fellow crooks, but not Inzamam and Mohammed Youssef who were actually clearly and demonstrably innocent.
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Post by Allez les rouges on Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:35 pm

If England had won after being dismissed for less than 100, Pakistan would have been accused of throwing the match? You've lost me there.
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Post by EMP on Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:07 pm

Allez les rouges wrote:If England had won after being dismissed for less than 100, Pakistan would have been accused of throwing the match? You've lost me there.

Really? If Pakistan had dismissed England for under a hundred in England's first innings and Pakistan still managed to lose, you don't think that Pakistan would have been accused of deliberately losing the match?
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Post by Allez les rouges on Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:32 pm

Not really. We all know why you're saying this, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't make much sense. It's not as if England have ever been accused of dirty tricks in any of their manifold and infamous collapses over the years, and nor for that matter have Pakistan, who've routinely done similar, until very recently.

And in fact even a big fan such as me has some sympathy with the argument that the gravity of their crimes was such that they should have been kicked out of the game for a number of years.

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