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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by Puro on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:11 pm

Oooooh Shocked tongue only 5 pts lead with a shit load of games left in La Liga.

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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by Rosicky on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:12 pm

La Liga is fixed Grr
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Post by TM on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:51 pm

PuroReturns wrote:Oooooh Shocked tongue only 5 pts lead with a shit load of games left in La Liga.

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8 points. study
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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by messiah on Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:18 am

still wont will in the league, but it just shows that any team with a half decent midfield and give madrid some real head aches.

Wish thet had drawn Bayern in the QF especially with Alonso out for the first leg
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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:11 am

Thank god the refs gifted us that game winning penalty! Rolling Eyes

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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by fcb on Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:50 am

Watch the Malaga no. 9 shirt in the right side of the camera angle - looks so disappointed when the goal goes in.



None other than Ruud Van Nistelrooy Laughing

Not only has he played fucking shit for Malaga, he also is disappointed when they score a big goal. Bet their fans love him even more now.


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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by fcb on Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:57 am

Good thing the RFEF dropped the hypocritic charges against Pique. Otherwise they'd have some work to do this week:

Ronaldo: "En algunas decisiones el árbitro ha tenido miedo de pitar"

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In other news, Villarreal have appointed Lotina (ex-Depor) as their new manager.
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Post by Jaime on Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:04 pm

fcb wrote:Good thing the RFEF dropped the hypocritic charges against Pique. Otherwise they'd have some work to do this week:

Ronaldo: "En algunas decisiones el árbitro ha tenido miedo de pitar"

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In other news, Villarreal have appointed Lotina (ex-Depor) as their new manager.

Lotina is a good choice imo. I think he has the experience and leadership (no offence to Molina) that the dressing room needs now.

Also, RVN has been sh!t there is no doubt about that but lots of players decide not to celebrate goals against their former clubs. You can see he starts to raise his arms in celebration and then he stops.
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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:59 pm

Sid Lowe's latest on Villarreal's current crisis:

Villarreal's plight: an emergency board meeting in a dugout says it all

Villarreal have sacked another coach after the Yellow Submarine sank closer still to La Liga's relegation zone.

Three men sat on the bench and decided to sit a third man on the bench. Villarreal had just been beaten 1-0 by Levante. A last-minute Xavi Torres goal that was really a Rubén goal – "99% belongs to him but the ball hadn't gone in yet so I had to finish it off," Torres said apologetically – completed a run of a draw and four defeats in the last five games, leaving Villarreal three points from the relegation zone. Three points which could soon be no points – Racing Santander play their game in hand on Monday night. Inside, José Molina was giving his players a post-match team-talk that would turn out to be his last; outside, the Villarreal president, Fernando Roig, imaginatively named son and CEO Fernando Roig, and vice-president José Manuel Llaneza settled into the Ciutat de Valencia dugout and held an emergency board meeting.

It was time, they decided, to sack their coach and get a new one: their third coach of the season. Villarreal will have been through as many managers in three months as they had in the previous seven years. First there was Juan Carlos Garrido, then José Molina and now … and now, frankly, whoever they can get. On Monday morning, it was confirmed that who they could get is Miguel-Ángel Lotina. The club that was once a model is now a mess: someone put an "in" in stability. The crisis has hit hard and hit the construction industry harder. For those, like the Roig family, that make money in porcelain, it is worse still. For the club they own, it could be the end. The team that is too good to go down really could go down.

Molina's sacking has not entirely surprised. Villarreal turned to him despite not being completely convinced. The former Atlético Madrid and Deportivo goalkeeper worked successfully with Villarreal C and was promoted to the B team but there were doubts over his suitability for the first team when they sacked Juan Carlos Garrido. His approach to the game fit the Villarreal model and he had learnt from some of the more innovative coaches – Guus Hiddink, Arrigo Sacchi, Benito Floro, Jabo Irureta – yet the doubts lingered. Did he have the presence and personality to take on the first team? They wondered if he might not lack that touch of charisma, the ability to engage with his players, to relate. Tranquillity is not always a virtue.

They were not alone. Asked about Molina the day he took over, one former team-mate said he simply couldn't imagine him as a coach. Why not? Bluntly, because Molina is a bit "odd". Another put it simply: "He doesn't like football." Molina himself admitted that originally he had no plans to be a coach. But then again, that need not necessarily matter: he hadn't planned to make his Spain debut on the right wing either and doing so never did him any harm. Besides, Villarreal knew him and liked him: he was willing and available. Cheap, too.

Molina talked about work rate and the need to animate his players, to revive the team. At first, they appreciated the drop in tension, they no longer felt so on edge. Villarreal won three of their first five under the new coach; Marcos Senna returned to the side and, let loose, some of the old flow did too. But there was something missing and the good results did not last. They have picked up a solitary point in five games, winning just three of in 12 games. Molina took over the team in 17th, level with the relegation zone; he leaves the team in 17th, three points from the relegation zone. If Racing win on Monday night, they will be level once again.

Nor is it just about Molina: the Yellow Submarine's problems are deeper. Deeper even than the injuries that have done them so much damage. Villarreal's miracle was built on cold hard cash; without that money, it is just not the same. The infrastructure is good enough that they will not collapse entirely – their youth system is one of the best in Spain, their training facilities impressive and the lifestyle still attractive to players – but they have been forced to confront a troubling reality. The sense of decline is palpable; there is a kind of sadness about the club. Last summer, they had a choice that was no choice: sell Santi Cazorla or sell Giuseppe Rossi. Eventually, they sold Cazorla; this summer they may have to sell Rossi anyway. Having spent much of the season injured, though, his price will have tumbled.

Go down and the urgency to sell will be greater still. Others will follow. In the Second Division, where TV income is rarely much above €2m (£1.66m), compared with the €25m Villarreal earn now (already a long way from the over €130m earned by Madrid and Barcelona), meeting First Division wage demands is virtually impossible. As for meeting wage demands at Villarreal, one of the league's better payers, forget the "virtually".

So Villarreal had to act – and fast. They spoke to Luis Aragonés but could not afford him. Lotina earned promotions with Logroñés, Numancia and Osasuna, won the Copa del Rey with Espanyol and took Celta to a Uefa Cup place. His is the same coach, though, that Celta sacked and who went down with Real Sociedad. His last job was at Deportivo de La Coruña: last season he took them back to the Second Division 20 years later. And that's the thing: where's the guarantee? Can Lotina really help?

Can anyone? Molina was supposed to rescue them after a poor start to the season and results have not really improved. They rarely do and yet that does not stop clubs trying – it does not see them seeing solutions in sackings. At least one coach has been sacked in Spain every month since October. Eight clubs have changed manager; two of them more than once. It is not nine because Betis never quite slipped into the relegation zone, where sacking Pepe Mel would have been cheaper.

Mallorca sacked Michael Laudrup for Joaquín Caparrós; Diego Simeone replaced Gregorio Manzano at Sevilla; Manolo Jiménez took over from Javier Aguirre at Zaragoza; and Abel Resino replaced Fabri at Granada; Sevilla had Marcelino and now have Míchel, while Sporting sacked Manolo Preciado and signed Javier Clemente. As for Racing Santander, they sacked Hector Cúper and replaced him with a three-man coaching team only to sack Juan José González because for all the matey interviews and photo calls he couldn't work with the other two and they sure as hell couldn't work with him. The current coach Cervera literally got off the Recreativo de Huelva as it travelled to a game so that he could take over at Racing, leaving Recre's players coach-less.

And for what? There is a cliché in Spain that says: entrenador nuevo, victoria segura. New coach, guaranteed victory. It is a nice phrase; it is also rubbish. There have been nine managerial debuts this season. Just one of them has been won – and that was the triumvirate at Racing, the club that then made up for it by losing their second managerial debut. It is about more than the debuts, too. The coach is signed as the solution; much of the time though, the coaching was not the problem.

There is a different feel about Atlético Madrid now than there was but although Diego Simeone has lost just twice since taking over, his side have only won four from 11 too. Mallorca too look tougher, yet going from two wins in six to six wins in 21 is no quantum leap. Manolo Jiménez has won two in 11 at Zaragoza and that is a minor miracle. All over the league, the stats are similar: two wins in six since Míchel took over at Sevilla; four wins and seven defeats for Abel at Granada; one win in five for Clemente at Sporting Gijón. Even booting out Nacho Novo for "shitting himself" hasn't seen them escape the relegation zone yet. Just like Valladolid, Murcia and Tenerife, the last three sides to bring him in as their saviour, didn't escape it.

As the former coach Juanma Lillo once put it: "I know why clubs sack coaches, what I haven't worked out yet is why the hire us in the first place."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/mar/19/villarreal-la-liga-relegation-zone

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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by fcb on Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:31 pm

Media getting too far ahead of themselves as usual. 'Hay Liga' all over the place Doh

But anyway, it's always interesting at this time of season to see the run-in of teams in various battles (title, 4th place, relegation, etc.). Here it is for the top two, from Marca:



Madrid have some tough away games - Osasuna, Athletic, Atletico (though they'll obviously win 5-0), and of course Barça.

Barça have easy away games, but mildly tricky home games - Athletic, Madrid, Espanyol.
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Post by Jaime on Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:46 pm

fcb wrote:Media getting too far ahead of themselves as usual. 'Hay Liga' all over the place Doh

But anyway, it's always interesting at this time of season to see the run-in of teams in various battles (title, 4th place, relegation, etc.). Here it is for the top two, from Marca:



Madrid have some tough away games - Osasuna, Athletic, Atletico (though they'll obviously win 5-0), and of course Barça.

Barça have easy away games, but mildly tricky home games - Athletic, Madrid, Espanyol.

To be fair away to Levante and away to Rayo are not going to be as easy as they might seem, especially considering your away form this season.

In spite of your joke, the biggest worry for me apart from the trip to the Camp Nou is Atletico. Eventually one day they will win a game against us and even though the "Simeone Effect" seems to have waned, it is exactly the sort of match that an ex-legend-turned-manager can invoke an emotional call to arms with the players.

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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by stinger on Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:06 pm

Jaime wrote:Sid Lowe's latest on Villarreal's current crisis:


There is a different feel about Atlético Madrid now than there was but although Diego Simeone has lost just twice since taking over, his side have only won four from 11 too. Mallorca too look tougher, yet going from two wins in six to six wins in 21 is no quantum leap. Manolo Jiménez has won two in 11 at Zaragoza and that is a minor miracle. All over the league, the stats are similar: two wins in six since Míchel took over at Sevilla; four wins and seven defeats for Abel at Granada; one win in five for Clemente at Sporting Gijón. Even booting out Nacho Novo for "shitting himself" hasn't seen them escape the relegation zone yet. Just like Valladolid, Murcia and Tenerife, the last three sides to bring him in as their saviour, didn't escape it.

As the former coach Juanma Lillo once put it: "I know why clubs sack coaches, what I haven't worked out yet is why the hire us in the first place."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/mar/19/villarreal-la-liga-relegation-zone

As he signed recently with Legia Warsaw could anyone elaborare on bolded sentence? Wink
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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:58 pm

@Stinger

When Clemente first arrived he said something like 'anyone who is shitting it (i.e. not up for the challenge of keeping Sporting in the top flight) is free to leave'. Novo left a few days later, so the assumption was, he was in fact shitting it. Laughing

Meanwhile Pep making one of his usual audacious claims:

"Insisto. Es imposible que ganemos la Liga"

lol!

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Post by stinger on Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:12 pm

Jaime wrote:@Stinger

When Clemente first arrived he said something like 'anyone who is shitting it (i.e. not up for the challenge of keeping Sporting in the top flight) is free to leave'. Novo left a few days later, so the assumption was, he was in fact shitting it. Laughing
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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:45 pm

FT Espanyol 3-1 Racing

Big let off for Villarreal who would have really been on the hook if Racing could have found a way to take points in Cornella el Prat.

Table after 38 rounds:

1 R. Madrid 71
2 Barcelona 63
3 Valencia 47
4 Levante 41

5 Málaga 41
6 Espanyol 39

7 Osasuna 39
8 Athletic 37
9 Rayo 37
10 Atlético 36
11 Getafe 35
12 Sevilla 33
13 Mallorca 33
14 R. Sociedad 33
15 Granada 31
16 Betis 30
17 Villarreal 27
18 Racing 24
19 Sporting 24
20 Zaragoza 19


Midweek fixtures upon us for those who are playing the predictions game!

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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by worms. on Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:04 pm

28 rounds and Levante are still 4th lol!
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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by The Easter Bunny on Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:16 pm

Mr.Wendal wrote:28 rounds and Levante are still 4th lol!

Bilbao are only 8th so by using logic we can say United would only be 9th in La Liga.

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Post by S4P on Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:21 pm

Mr.Wendal wrote:28 rounds and Levante are still 4th lol!

Given the way that 5th place Chelsea dismantled 3rd place Valencia, you'd have to say that Levante would be about 10th in the DPL Very Happy Ale

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Post by worms. on Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:30 pm

S4P wrote:
Mr.Wendal wrote:28 rounds and Levante are still 4th lol!

Given the way that 5th place Chelsea dismantled 3rd place Valencia, you'd have to say that Levante would be about 10th in the DPL Very Happy Ale

Fluking a win by playing pussy football and having 30% possession is classed as "dismantling" now?
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Post by S4P on Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:02 am



Good lord fellas. What a catch <Ale>

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Post by worms. on Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:25 am

S4P wrote:

Good lord fellas. What a catch <Ale>

Judging by the amount of "anger" and "frustration" in my short response I would say you caught something like this:



Congratulations <Ale>
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Post by Puro on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:41 am

The Easter Bunny wrote:
Mr.Wendal wrote:28 rounds and Levante are still 4th lol!

Bilbao are only 8th so by using logic we can say United would only be 9th in La Liga.

cheers

The club of the devil would have a hell of a time finishing in the top 8 in La Liga. TFS!
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Post by Luis on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:22 pm

A Barca win tonight and big pressure on Madrid tomorrow to win 5-1 instead of 4-1
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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:24 pm

Obviously Villar and all of his cronies want Barcelona to win la liga, look how Barcelona suddenly is always playing their match the day before Real Madrid!!!!

LA LIGA IS FIXED!!! cheers
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Post by fcb on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:42 pm

And our match with Athletic will be at 10pm on Saturday night - they get barely 48 hours rest after their Europe league game on Thu night. Barça will have 1 day extra. It's all fixed Crazy

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Post by worms. on Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:58 pm

Fucken nel it's only Messi and Xavi who can score at the moment,Messi keeps on playing lovely passes but you just know 9 times out of 10 they won't get finished.

If we had Pedro and Villa of last year Messi would have over 30 assists now instead of 20.

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Post by Sheffield gunner on Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:40 pm

Messi's scored twice tonight. I think that's made him Barcelona's record goalscorer. Granada threatened an upset in pulling it back from 2-0 down, but Messi and Tello have restored Barca's two goal advantage.

Make that three for Messi. Another hat-trick.

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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by Sheffield gunner on Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:47 pm

A second penalty for Granada now and a red card for Dani Alves. Referees Suspect
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Post by Jaime on Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:47 pm

TWO PENALITES called against Barcelona! cheers

LA LIGA IS FIXED! Whoop
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Re: La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Post by Jaime on Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:56 pm

And maybe more importantly, it is clear that someone wants Casillas to win the Zamora and not VALDES SELECCION!

Granada scoring three in the Camp Nou????

This is an abomination!!!!! bounce

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