FC Barcelona - Mundial de Clubes Campeones!

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Post by TITO on Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:04 pm

By Xavier Sala i Martín, former board member and treasurer at FC Barcelona 2004 - 2010

I have a rule not to comment on Barca unless if it is to defend the
board of directors of Joan Laporta, which I was a member of. In three
articles published before (October 2 and October 17 and November 2 ), I
explained that Sandro Rosell (1) missed the truth when he said that
"upon arrival at the club there was not a single euro in the box", (2)
had deceived the newspapers when he leaked few invoices that allegedly
showed the unjustified squandering of Laporta (neither there were bills,
nor unjustified) and (3) had induced the assembly to vote for actions
against Laporta based on a false summary of the whole situation.


Again, I write about Barca following the presentation of the accounts of
the 2011-12 season because the numbers make many things clear. Since
coming to office, Rosell has not stopped repeating that he had inherited
a poorly run club financially. He said the problem was not the revenue
(already a record at the time) but the cost, full of assumed
squandering. To get rid of all that squandering, he announced a policy
of austerity and cuts: among other things, removed the ink color
printers, eliminated some sections and did not pay the invoice of the
security system that the club had put in Laporta's family house (Who
received death threats by the violent groups that had been expelled from
the club by President Laporta).

These savings, of course, have brought a huge reduction in spending
...Oops! Sorry! Now that I look, I see that the costs of this season,
442 million are higher than the 428 million of Laporta's last year! I
see that both wages and non-athletic sports have increased by 3 million
over 2010 and "other amortizations" in 2.6. Operating expenses have
increased by 14 million, going from 87.2 to 101,300,000 euros.

Apart from the amortization of players, the only item that has "fallen"
is the "other expenses", which corresponds to some provisions imposed
arbitrarily by the new board when they arrived, reformulated so
bizarrely Laporta's accounts and arbitrarily attributed a lot of
"expenses" in the form of provisions. For the inexpert, the provisions
are not a result of actual expenditure or waste but a sketch book in
recognition of future risk (notable for its magnitude, Sogecable
providing 37.5 million). When occurring in timely and non-recurring
provisions, it automatically disappeared in 2010 in 2011 and 2012
without having anything to do with Rosell.

We, therefore, conclude that the supposed austerity of Rosell has not
only failed to -comparably -reduce the total costs, but has increased it
by 14 million over the 2010! This increase is somewhat surprising
especially when you consider that in 2010 they won La Liga and Euro
league of basketball, which entailed an expenditure of 38 million in
wage variables. Current board has not had the challenge to face such
expenses this year, because, unfortunately, has not won any of these two
major titles.

This increase in expenditure leads me to a thought: if, as Rosell said
in 2010, allegedly catastrophic situation was due to uncontrolled
spending, how the situation may have changed without reducing that
expense? Could it be that what they said in 2010 was not true? Could it
be that they have failed to cut the squandering because in reality there
was no extravagance to cut? Could it be that the alleged losses of 2010
were not real and were not caused by the squandering but were
accountants' and were caused by a malicious and arbitrary provisions,
designed to discredit the former president and bring him to justice?

And while we ask, isnt it funny that Barca get a benefit of 48 million
just two years after the current president said he had inherited a
bankrupt club? Isnt it funny that they have obtained the highest profits
in history right now, when other companies and institutions in the
country are drowning in the midst of a financial crisis? The answer is
no. It's not funny because it is untrue that the club that Laporta left
was ruined. Plaster is seen in the income statement presented by the
club now ... Yet not in the expenditure but in revenue!: This season has
entered a record 495 million euros. An important part is due to the
good work of this board that has managed to negotiate sponsorship
agreements, advertising, stadium tours and exploitation. That is clear.
But no one doubts that, even if you're a great negotiator, you cannot
get all these contracts without a good product. And the "product" that
Russell has found (again, found) when he arrived, was a team that had
already won it!

That is, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Puyol, Abidal, Valdes, Alves,
Guardiola, Vilanova and the rest of the sports structure, all are great
sports assets. Besides, there are some extraordinary economic assets
that have allowed the current board to negotiate a contract, which,
without having to cut costs have generated the highest profits in
history. And that, although Sandro Rosell and his board persist in
hiding, is the real proof of the good management of the previous board,
the true legacy of Laporta ...
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Post by Jaime on Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:29 pm

I would have thought Gaspart should get the credit for Messi.
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Post by Calidad on Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:45 pm

Squad for PSG:

Valdés, Pinto, Dani Alves, Piqué, Fàbregas, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Alexis, Messi, Mascherano, Sergio, Pedro, Afellay,
Montoya, Bartra, Dos Santos, Tello, Ilie, Sergi Roberto, Planas i Rafinha.

------------Pinto
Alves--Bartra--Masch--Planas
----------Busquets
------Roberto----Afellay
Rafinha------Messi--------Sanchez

would be a nice first half XI


Adriano (shock horror) injured. Alba, Cuenca, Villa, Fontas, Thiago, Muniesa the other omissions.

Shame Deleufou hasn't been selected.

Apparently Tito and the coaching team are going to use the PSG + Utd games to determine Batra's place within the squad this season. He's performed well so far against relatively weak opposition. If he performs, the club are unlikely to bring in another CB. Seems an odd way to make decisions given that he has been with the club about 10 years now. Personally I think he should be given the chance, he's about as fast as Masch, taller than both Puyol + Masch, and a ball-playing CB like Pique. I don't actually think there is anyone who is available that would add all that much to squad at the moment anyway.
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Post by Calidad on Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:02 pm

Barring a horror show from Bartra in the next two games, I think the squad will remain as it, at least in terms of incoming players. One or two players could still leave either as transfers or loans (JDS, Fontas, Tello, Cuenca would be my candidates). I think and hope Afellay will stay. He has a lot to offer the squad. I personally don't understand the hype in Cuenca at all and think he offers little. I think the club will push and indeed, secure Neymar next year which IMO would be a good and potentially great purchase.

Therefore the squad for the upcoming season (as it stands)

----------------------Valdes/Pinto

Alves/Montoya---Pique/Bartra--Puyol/Masch---Alba/Adriano*

--------------------Busquets/Masch/JDS

--Xavi/Thiago/Cesc/Busquets---Iniesta/Cesc/Thiago/Afellay

Sanchez/Pedro/Cuenca---Messi/Villa/Sanchez---Villa/Sanchez/Pedro/Afellay

*Abdial obviously still a question mark in terms of a contributor to the squad.

I would personally loan Cuenca out. Sell Fontas. Loan Muniesa if he get's himself fit. I personally don't think the former two will ever be good enough even for squad roles.

I don't think we will see much of Cesc as a 'false 9' this season.

I think the main contributors from the B team will be Deleufou, Tello and Roberto.
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Post by messiah on Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:40 pm

cuenca is an excellent player.
I am not liking certain sounds coming from tito has been making seems he doesn't trust the youth the sameway pep are ricky did.
bartra has been voted the best cb in the 2nd division for two years and he knows the system.
jds haven't taken his chances, we need back up in that position
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Post by Jaime on Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:41 pm

Agger > Bartra
Song > Dos Santos


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Post by worms rises on Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Cuenca is a fantastic player who has the potential to be world class.Funny how you seem to rate Tello more than Cuenca,Cuenca is a much more complete and intelligent player.
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Post by Jaime on Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:12 pm

unkhanscious wrote:Cuenca is a fantastic player who has the potential to be world class.Funny how you seem to rate Tello more than Cuenca,Cuenca is a much more complete and intelligent player.

Me? I was just trying to convince COTR the other day that Cuenca was a much better player. Of course in the grand scheme they are both pretty sh!t. But these days anyone who spent a day in la masia is potentially a WPOTY. Rolling Eyes

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Post by worms rises on Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:15 pm

I was talking to Calidad,Cuenca is a fantastic talent stop discriminating because he looks like a smack head.
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Post by Calidad on Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:27 pm

unkhanscious wrote:I was talking to Calidad,Cuenca is a fantastic talent stop discriminating because he looks like a smack head.

I don't rate Tello either (in the context of being a Barca player), but he's in the reserve side anyway.
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Post by messiah on Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:40 pm

bartra>agger

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Post by worms rises on Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:46 pm

messiah wrote:bartra>agger

Na.
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Post by messiah on Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:11 am

you'll see
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Post by messiah on Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:43 am

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Post by Jaime on Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:51 am

messiah wrote:

wow cuenca missed about half of those, anyhow great reminder of just how sh!t you were last year. <Ale>

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Post by worms rises on Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:48 pm

I already posted that video about 2 months ago.
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Post by Calidad on Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:59 pm

What's so good about Cuenca anyway? I don't think he's particularly impressive in any facet of the game. A good crosser I've noticed but what else? Tello I think offers something a little different; Walcott-esque if you like. I can see the merit in him being a bench option. Cuenca is just meh, but maybe he will prove me wrong.

Bartra however, I like. Tall, quick for a CB (about Masch pace perhaps?). Also good on the ball and that something about him I feel. He's quite tenacious which is why he scores the odd goal. Reminds me a little bit of a right-footed Agger.

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Post by worms rises on Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:37 pm

He only just turned 21,I think he a lot more intelligence than Tello in his movement,unlike him he can come inside,keep the ball in tight spaces and provide some nice passes.
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Post by messiah on Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:36 pm

jds seems on his way to sevilla.
so that him,muniesa and tello out of the first team for varying reasons. we now need to get a back up dm
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Post by Jaime on Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:42 pm

I'd read he refused to go to Sevilla. Maybe he's been convinced otherwise. Don't worry you will get Song.
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Post by messiah on Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:58 pm

stupid of him because he is not good enough for barca
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Post by messiah on Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:37 pm

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Post by Calidad on Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:19 pm

Looks like Song Bilabong may well be a Barca play soon.

A slightly puzzling signing for me, as I can't see him being a first choice, and I can't see him being happy with a bench role. He can obviously cover the CB position also, and I suppose shares some similarities to Yaya Toure, but why not just bring in an actual CB instead? I don't necessarily think anyone is needed, but if Barca are looking for defensive depth, I think Agger would be a better signing.
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Post by messiah on Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:20 pm

barca b lost thier first game 5-4 to almeria. they played the 2nd half with ten men goals by dongou and gerard who was just ... with a hattrick.
song deal is done for 20m euros which is way too fucking much
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Post by Calidad on Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:20 pm

Andres Iniesta won't play on the left wing anymore under new Barcelona coach Tito Vilanova, who prefers him as attacking midfielder. [sport]

About bloody time.
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Post by messiah on Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:13 pm

with song in the squad is now ready for the season and I must say its probably the most complete squad we have had in a while, though i dont rate song

vv
pinto
alves
montoya
pique
bartra
masch
puyol
busquets
song
xavi
iniesta
cesc
thiago
pedro
cuenca
messi
sanchez
vila
tello
plus fontas,abi and jds
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Post by messiah on Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:17 pm

dont think their is a better squad out there now, we could aslo put out a all masia XI now, my dream is almost coming to reality.

VV

montoya
puyol
pique
alba

busquets
xavi
iniesta

pedro
messi
cuenca
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Post by Pras_tama on Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:44 am

messiah wrote:with song in the squad is now ready for the season and I must say its probably the most complete squad we have had in a while, though i dont rate song

vv
pinto
alves
montoya
pique
bartra
masch
puyol
busquets
song
xavi
iniesta
cesc
thiago
pedro
cuenca
messi
sanchez
vila
tello
plus fontas,abi and jds

messiah wrote:dont think their is a better squad out there now, we could aslo put out a all masia XI now, my dream is almost coming to reality.

VV

montoya
puyol
pique
alba

busquets
xavi
iniesta

pedro
messi
cuenca

What a squad and you haven't even add Affelay yet. And I'm so fucking jealous about the all La Masia XI thing
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Post by EMP on Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:23 am

messiah wrote:dont think their is a better squad out there now, we could aslo put out a all masia XI now, my dream is almost coming to reality.

VV

montoya
puyol
pique
alba

busquets
xavi
iniesta

pedro
messi
cuenca

By our own admission la Masia didn't make hi into a Barca quality player, Valencia did. Should you therefore be claiming him as a La Masia player in the circumstances?
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Post by messiah on Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:35 am

he is the only reason I said almost

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