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Re: Messi

Post by Fey on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:33 pm

Messi will go down as the GOAT, but fuck him, Iniesta won b2b Euros, that's an insane achievement. And Xavi should have won at least one. But they want only goalscorers it seems.
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Re: Messi

Post by Kroos on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:37 pm

Fey wrote:Messi will go down as the GOAT, but fuck him, Iniesta won b2b Euros, that's an insane achievement. And Xavi should have won at least one. But they want only goalscorers it seems.

ok

if i wouldn`t know better i would say the voters all 14 year old fanboys who just look at dribblings and goals

attacking players are overrated, the best players in the world should only be midfielders

THINK ABOUT IT
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Re: Messi

Post by Luis on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:44 pm

Nah. Messi is clearly better than Iniesta. Iniesta is a great player though.

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Re: Messi

Post by 110% on Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:17 am

Kroos wrote:
Fey wrote:Messi will go down as the GOAT, but fuck him, Iniesta won b2b Euros, that's an insane achievement. And Xavi should have won at least one. But they want only goalscorers it seems.

ok

if i wouldn`t know better i would say the voters all 14 year old fanboys who just look at dribblings and goals

attacking players are overrated, the best players in the world should only be midfielders

THINK ABOUT IT

Can you be a midfielder and also an attacking player? THINK ABOUT IT

If this is to award talent and consistency in 2012 then Messi beats Iniesta every time.

Iniesta should win the b2b Euros award, and xavi should win the best midfielder during messi's era award, but unfortunately those awards don't actually exist.
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Re: Messi

Post by Fey on Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:29 pm



World's best player. World's worst suit. Smile



Team of the year. Only La Liga players! And not a single one was in the CL final.

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Re: Messi

Post by Jaime on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:43 pm

He still didn't score as many goals as Chitalu! Ale
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Re: Messi

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:22 pm

Forgetting Xavi, Iniesta & Spain for a bit, I think it's a shame that Messi/Ronaldo have become so dominant that achievements such as Drogba & Cech stealing the CL for Chelsea, and Pirlo going to Juventus, having an unbeaten season with them and then inspiring an unfancied Italy to the Euro final haven't been acknowledged.

Also for coach of the year - what about Jurgen Klopp? A league(back2back)and cup double winner in Germany plus topping what was the CL's hardest group.
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Re: Messi

Post by Antarion on Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:33 pm

you would think with football becoming more professional the teams and individuals should be cliser in terms of power level...erhm strenght. why is it so boring instead?
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Re: Messi

Post by messiah on Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:27 pm

If their wasn't a feeling that Chelsea didn't steal the cl then drogba would have been in with a chance.

Pirlo should have been in with a chance though. Winning with jive then playing well at the euros.

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Re: Messi

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:32 pm

That's the point though Messiah. Chelsea did get lucky that they faced wasteful teams - but even with all that luck, No Drogba and they never could have won playing in the style they did. No other striker can do so much with so little.
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Re: Messi

Post by messiah on Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:45 pm

Yeah I get what you are saying and a few years ago it probably would have been the case. But messi has brought brilliance to such a consistent level. Where putting together a couple of truly brilliant games isn't enough to win these things anymore. People want to see players doing it almost on a weekly basis.

Cannavaro will probably be the last player to be proclaimed the best player in the world based on a handful of games for a while.

To be honest I am happy about that bit has these type of things has grinder my gear for a while.

It would really be a same to see drogba be called the best based on just 6 or so games in a season.

But when players like pirlo stand no chance that's a shame.
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Post by Jaime on Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:51 pm

Players like Pirlo have never stood a chance because these awards have almost almost almost almost always gone to goalscorers. Cannavaro and Sammer are two great exceptions. Ok maybe a third could be the year Nedved won it. Otherwise it's almost always a forward player. It's probably not fair but it's the way it is. That's probably why UEFA and FIFA started putting out the positional awards otherwise anyone whose number is less than 9 (sorry for the old school reference!) would not get any recognition.
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Re: Messi

Post by EMP on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:12 pm

Jaime wrote:He still didn't score as many goals as Chitalu! Ale

ok
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Re: Messi

Post by EMP on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:16 pm

Deluded F*ck wrote:That's the point though Messiah. Chelsea did get lucky that they faced wasteful teams - but even with all that luck, No Drogba and they never could have won playing in the style they did. No other striker can do so much with so little.

And don't forget Ivory Coast, led by Drogba reached the final of the ACN. Okay he didn't have a great final, but did Pirlo?
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Re: Messi

Post by Kimbo on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:43 pm

EMP wrote:
Deluded F*ck wrote:That's the point though Messiah. Chelsea did get lucky that they faced wasteful teams - but even with all that luck, No Drogba and they never could have won playing in the style they did. No other striker can do so much with so little.

And don't forget Ivory Coast, led by Drogba reached the final of the ACN. Okay he didn't have a great final, but did Pirlo?

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Re: Messi

Post by EMP on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:53 pm

Kimbo wrote:
EMP wrote:
Deluded F*ck wrote:That's the point though Messiah. Chelsea did get lucky that they faced wasteful teams - but even with all that luck, No Drogba and they never could have won playing in the style they did. No other striker can do so much with so little.

And don't forget Ivory Coast, led by Drogba reached the final of the ACN. Okay he didn't have a great final, but did Pirlo?


What's so funny? It was still an achievement to get there. I doubt you bothered to watch much of the competition since you don't rate international football. So what the hell do you know about Drogba's achievements in international football?
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Re: Messi

Post by Kimbo on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:16 pm

Well it's like saying "so and so did x in the Swiss league", isn't it? tongue How far down the list of international tournaments is the ACN in terms of prestige?
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Post by Rosicky on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:21 pm

Kimbo wrote:Well it's like saying "so and so did x in the Swiss league", isn't it? tongue How far down the list of international tournaments is the ACN in terms of prestige?

Rock bottom. Drogba scored in 2 of 6 games, and was a disgrace in the final ( missing a pen in normal time, and going on to lose to the mighty and all conquering Zambia). So i have no idea how this is a relevant to the discussion, just shoe horning African into the conversation as usual.
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Re: Messi

Post by Kimbo on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:28 pm

Rosicky wrote:
Kimbo wrote:Well it's like saying "so and so did x in the Swiss league", isn't it? tongue How far down the list of international tournaments is the ACN in terms of prestige?

Rock bottom. Drogba scored in 2 of 6 games, and was a disgrace in the final ( missing a pen in normal time, and going on to lose to the mighty and all conquering Zambia). So i have no idea how this is a relevant to the discussion, just shoe horning African into the conversation as usual.

Bit harsh, it's probably ahead of the Asian cup and the Gold cup, and then there is the Oceanic one(Tahiti are champions).
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Re: Messi

Post by messiah on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:42 pm

It ranks about 5th, but his performance at the last acn, is just another in a long run of failures outside the Prem. The last cl has really saved is legacy.
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Re: Messi

Post by Luis on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:44 pm

How did Michael Owen ever win this? Crazy.

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Post by EMP on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:09 am

Kimbo wrote:Well it's like saying "so and so did x in the Swiss league", isn't it? tongue How far down the list of international tournaments is the ACN in terms of prestige?

No it isn't. It is a typically ignorant Eurocentric argument that pretends there has been no progress in African football. The ACN is a major international tournament whether you like it or not.
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Post by EMP on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:17 am

messiah wrote:It ranks about 5th, but his performance at the last acn, is just another in a long run of failures outside the Prem. The last cl has really saved is legacy.

Nonsense. You might just as well say that Pirlo's performance at Euro's was just another failure. Drogba led his team to the final and they lost on penalties thanks to a great performance by Zambian goalkeeper Kennedy Mweene. Pirlo's team wasn't at the races against Spain. Drogba came closer to success at ACN than Pirlo did at Euros and combined not only with Champion's League, but FA Cup in what looked destined to be a completely crap season at Chelsea until rescued mainly by his performances in the semis and finals - the important matches. Only an idiot judges Drogba's legacy at Chelsea by the Champion's League success. It is his greatest achievement, but among many.
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Re: Messi

Post by messiah on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:59 am


I wasn't talking about his performance in the final only, If he played shit in the final but played a part in the team winning it still counts.

Fact is before the cl. He has won jack outside of England and before anyone mentions that he didn't play in one of the cl final. Ask yourself why.

And just to b clear I wasn't talking about his legacy at Chelsea, as I dint give a fuck about Chelsea. I was more talking about his legacy and place among african greats.

The pele's,weah's and eto'o's.

So I don't know why the hell your telling me about Chelsea.
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Re: Messi

Post by EMP on Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:12 am

messiah wrote:
I wasn't talking about his performance in the final only, If he played shit in the final but played a part in the team winning it still counts.

Fact is before the cl. He has won jack outside of England and before anyone mentions that he didn't play in one of the cl final. Ask yourself why.

And just to b clear I wasn't talking about his legacy at Chelsea, as I dint give a fuck about Chelsea. I was more talking about his legacy and place among african greats.

The pele's,weah's and eto'o's.

So I don't know why the hell your telling me about Chelsea.

FFS are you seriously saying he doesn't rank among African greats?
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Re: Messi

Post by messiah on Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:15 am

EMP wrote:
messiah wrote:
I wasn't talking about his performance in the final only, If he played shit in the final but played a part in the team winning it still counts.

Fact is before the cl. He has won jack outside of England and before anyone mentions that he didn't play in one of the cl final. Ask yourself why.

And just to b clear I wasn't talking about his legacy at Chelsea, as I dint give a fuck about Chelsea. I was more talking about his legacy and place among african greats.

The pele's,weah's and eto'o's.

So I don't know why the hell your telling me about Chelsea.

FFS are you seriously saying he doesn't rank among African greats?

For fucks sake what's wrong with you. His place AMONG AMONG
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Re: Messi

Post by Chris 23* on Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:38 am

Lloris voted for Drogba.... Laugh
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/8386090/Ballot-box-opened

Thought it was 'World Team' of the year, not 'La Liga' team of the year?
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Re: Messi

Post by EMP on Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:27 am

messiah wrote:
EMP wrote:
messiah wrote:
I wasn't talking about his performance in the final only, If he played shit in the final but played a part in the team winning it still counts.

Fact is before the cl. He has won jack outside of England and before anyone mentions that he didn't play in one of the cl final. Ask yourself why.

And just to b clear I wasn't talking about his legacy at Chelsea, as I dint give a fuck about Chelsea. I was more talking about his legacy and place among african greats.

The pele's,weah's and eto'o's.

So I don't know why the hell your telling me about Chelsea.

FFS are you seriously saying he doesn't rank among African greats?

For fucks sake what's wrong with you. His place AMONG AMONG

His place is already secure as one of Africa's great players; it's a question of precisely where he ends up. Football is a team game. John Terry has a Champion's League winner's medal without having played in the final. There are others too. Some played great football but still lost. Is that their fault, or do you win and lose as a team? Despite that Drogba's individual achievements are fantastic and establish him as one of Africa's greatest players. He hasn't achieved as much as Eto'o so he's lower on the list, but he's still there. No doubt if he had played for Barca and not Chelsea he'd get some respect from you.

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Re: Messi

Post by 110% on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:06 pm

I'm just glad Weah has made Messiah's list without winning a CL. Luckily he had his world player of the year award to help make up for it. Djimi Traor's got a CL winners medal so he was above Drogba until that penalty kick I guess.

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Re: Messi

Post by 110% on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:07 pm

messiah wrote:
I wasn't talking about his performance in the final only, If he played shit in the final but played a part in the team winning it still counts.

Fact is before the cl. He has won jack outside of England and before anyone mentions that he didn't play in one of the cl final. Ask yourself why.

And just to b clear I wasn't talking about his legacy at Chelsea, as I dint give a fuck about Chelsea. I was more talking about his legacy and place among african greats.

The pele's,weah's and eto'o's.

So I don't know why the hell your telling me about Chelsea.

I doubt anyone is going to ask themselves why, since he played in both CL finals he qualified for.

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