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Pierre Littbarski

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:17 pm

It's Tito time! wrote:Chile,Ghana,Mexico and Paraguay are better than Japan.

What makes you say that ?

Will they be in 2 years ?

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by worms. on Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:24 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
It's Tito time! wrote:Chile,Ghana,Mexico and Paraguay are better than Japan.

What makes you say that ?

Will they be in 2 years ?

Because I have watched all of them teams in recent years,Chile and Ghana goes without saying,Paraguay beat them in the world cup,give Spain a great game and nearly beat them,got to the final of the Copa America. Judging by what I seen in the World Cup Mexico are better than Japan.

In 2 years? I don't know I can't tell the future,I highly doubt they will be as good as Chile or Ghana though.

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Brian2468 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:27 pm

True Rednapp would be like throwing a firework into a bonfire lots of whizz big then its over, fitting for they way England play but really a bunch of BS going forward and long term Hodgson it better. Short term for 2 months Rednapp hands down.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:37 pm

It's Tito time! wrote:
Pierre Littbarski wrote:
It's Tito time! wrote:Chile,Ghana,Mexico and Paraguay are better than Japan.

What makes you say that ?

Will they be in 2 years ?

Because I have watched all of them teams in recent years,Chile and Ghana goes without saying,Paraguay beat them in the world cup,give Spain a great game and nearly beat them,got to the final of the Copa America. Judging by what I seen in the World Cup Mexico are better than Japan.

In 2 years? I don't know I can't tell the future,I highly doubt they will be as good as Chile or Ghana though.

Beat Cameroon and Denmark (convincingly), lost but not shamed v finalists and only lost on pens to Paraguay.

If they had USA 2nd round like Ghana they would have got to the QF's.

Think what kagawa and Honda will be like in 2014.

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by worms. on Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:44 pm

I'm not saying their bad,Kagawa is brilliant but I don't think Hondas that good.He's got a good strike on him but his all round game isn't all that.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Puro on Tue May 01, 2012 1:27 am

It's Tito time! wrote:Chile,Ghana,Mexico and Paraguay are better than Japan.

Perú's B/C team is better than Japan playing in Japan. TFS!
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Post by COTR on Tue May 01, 2012 12:34 pm



To be confirmed at 16.00 today

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Fey on Tue May 01, 2012 1:38 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
It's Tito time! wrote:Chile,Ghana,Mexico and Paraguay are better than Japan.

What makes you say that ?

Will they be in 2 years ?

Chili is better then Japan I believe, the rest I agree with you!

As for the Hodge. Yes he failed at Inter and Liverpool. Then again who succeeded at these clubs?
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Romford Pele on Tue May 01, 2012 3:18 pm

They've given Hodgson four fucking years lol!


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Post by Kroos on Tue May 01, 2012 3:25 pm

the feck

lol!

and whats his salary?

wouldn`t surprise me to see him in the top5 of the highest paid coaches in the world cheers

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by worms. on Tue May 01, 2012 3:29 pm

Romford Pele wrote:They're given Hodgson four fucking years lol!

cheers

Just when I though English football couldn't get any more humiliating!

Brilliant,I can't wait for the Euros now.I can see the team now,Konchesky,Zamora,Carlton Cole. Laugh

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Brian2468 on Tue May 01, 2012 3:29 pm

Not as much a Harry would of cost and you will get a lot more staying power with Hodgson no weak headed Liverpool players in the squad I hope. Shit he may pick Johnson. Wink
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Isco Benny on Tue May 01, 2012 3:30 pm

Kroos wrote:the feck

lol!

and whats his salary?

wouldn`t surprise me to see him in the top5 of the highest paid coaches in the world cheers

Actually, I expect he'll come fairly cheap - part of the reason why they didn't go with Redknapp.

They would have had to pay Spurs compensation for Redknapp, and 'Arry would have demanded considerably more.

Hodgson is coming free from Brom as his contract expires this summer, and is not in a position to negotiate a huge salary as a result.

Economically, makes far more sense than the amount that Capello cost
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by debaser on Tue May 01, 2012 3:37 pm

Well, it's Woy then Erm

Interested to see what kind of squad he picks. I guess with the short amount of time to prep, he'll have to go with mostly the same old lot for these Euros, but I'd like to think he'll make some big changes afterwards. He's got 4 years, so unlike Capello, he needs to bring through the next generation.

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Post by worms. on Tue May 01, 2012 3:40 pm




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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by S4P on Tue May 01, 2012 3:43 pm

For the second time, I write: I've never seen anyone born, educated and living in England be so desparate to see England fail.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by debaser on Tue May 01, 2012 3:44 pm

Woy is very lucky in some ways, because essentially he has a free tournament to start off with - expectations are as low as they'll ever be and he's not going to get blamed if we do badly, so he can try things out and any progress will be a bonus.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Romford Pele on Tue May 01, 2012 3:50 pm

I'd just take the next generation now ok
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Post by debaser on Tue May 01, 2012 3:53 pm

Romford Pele wrote:I'd just take the next generation now ok

Problem is half of them are injured/not been playing (e.g. Wilshere, Cleverley, Rodwell, McEachran)

I'm sure likes of Smalling, Jones, Welbeck, Sturridge will go. Centre midfield we ain't got many options that I can see (hence expect Barry, Lampard, Gerrard, etc)
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Post by Romford Pele on Tue May 01, 2012 3:58 pm

Ok, take as many young players as possible then. Wing options should be Ox, AJ, Young and Theo
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Tue May 01, 2012 4:00 pm

is Hodsgon the man to get rid of Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand etc?

because I certainly don't think he is the right man to manage them.

a four-year contract?

ugh, at least see how he does in the summer, and how Pearce gets on with the U23s before you commit to 2016 Sad

I'm hoping the FA have their calendar wrong and they think today is April 1st.
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Post by Kroos on Tue May 01, 2012 4:01 pm

Disco Benny wrote:
Kroos wrote:the feck

lol!

and whats his salary?

wouldn`t surprise me to see him in the top5 of the highest paid coaches in the world cheers

Actually, I expect he'll come fairly cheap - part of the reason why they didn't go with Redknapp.

They would have had to pay Spurs compensation for Redknapp, and 'Arry would have demanded considerably more.

Hodgson is coming free from Brom as his contract expires this summer, and is not in a position to negotiate a huge salary as a result.

Economically, makes far more sense than the amount that Capello cost

you are probably right

but has england no coaches which weren`t born close after WWII


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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by worms. on Tue May 01, 2012 4:18 pm

Did anyone see the state of Hodgson at that press conference? He looked like an elderly GP who's been accused of manslaughter.
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Post by The Easter Bunny on Tue May 01, 2012 4:47 pm

S4P wrote:For the second time, I write: I've never seen anyone born, educated and living in England be so desparate to see England fail.

And he lives of the dole ok

The old generation cheers

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by worms. on Tue May 01, 2012 5:09 pm

The Easter Bunny wrote:
S4P wrote:For the second time, I write: I've never seen anyone born, educated and living in England be so desparate to see England fail.

And he lives of the dole ok

The old generation cheers

*off

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by The Easter Bunny on Tue May 01, 2012 5:53 pm

It's Tito time! wrote:
The Easter Bunny wrote:
S4P wrote:For the second time, I write: I've never seen anyone born, educated and living in England be so desparate to see England fail.

And he lives of the dole ok

The old generation cheers

*off

I am entitled to my benefits just as much as the next man. <Ale>

The grammar police Ale Aye you would be entitled to benefits if you ever had to pay tax.

If the decision was between Harry Redknapp and Roy Hodgson, England were choosing between two very different coaches.

The debate should not have been about ‘experience at big clubs’ or ‘how much the players like him’, but about the style of coach required: in Redknapp and Hodgson, the FA were choosing between two men at complete opposite ends of the football coach’s ideological spectrum, the most stark contrast of managerial philosophies you can find.

Redknapp

Redknapp is all about individuals. He denies he’s a ‘wheeler-dealer’, and to imply that he is only a transfer specialist would be unfair; he clearly gets on with people (summed up by his relationships with both players and journalists) and is regarded as a good man-manager and motivator. Whether it is bringing them in or firing them up, Redknapp’s skill is that he gets the best from individuals.

His tactical ineptitude can be overstated – Redknapp is generally very good at making substitutions midway through a game, as he showed, for example, with a fantastic turnaround at Arsenal eighteen months ago – followed by a perfectly reasonable and rational explanation about why he made the changes.

Yet Redknapp’s sides retain a certain anarchy, epitomised by Tottenham’s win away at Norwich late last year, when Redknapp told Gareth Bale and Rafael van der Vaart they could “play where they wanted to”. In that game it worked, as Bale scored two fine goals in a man-of-the-match performance. “He gets in those holes, and when he gets the ball and runs at you, he’s unplayable,” Redknapp marvelled. Yet in recent weeks, Bale’s desire to roam has been indulged at the expense of shape and structure, and Tottenham have been in terrible form.

Van der Vaart is another who has enjoyed that freedom at Tottenham. “There are no long and boring speeches about tactics, like I was used to at Real Madrid,” he says. “There is a board in our dressing room but Harry doesn’t write anything on it. It’s not that we do nothing – but it’s close to that.”

How much does Redknapp value the system? He’s perfectly honest about it. “Whether it’s 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 – the numbers game is no the beautiful game in my opinion,” Redknapp once said. “It is 10% about the formation and 90% about the players.”

Hodgson

Hodgson is the complete opposite, the ultimate ‘system’ manager. His teams are very simple – they defend the same way, with two banks of four supplemented with two outright attackers – either two forwards or a lone striker supported by a number ten. Whereas Redknapp employs an army of coaches to do his work on the training ground, Hodgson personally drills his players relentlessly in training so they’re completely at home with the zonal defensive system, going through the same exercises again and again.

“We work on it every day,” Simon Davies, who played under Hodgson at Fulham, told Jonathan Wilson. “Every day in training is geared towards team shape on the match-day coming up. I’ve been working with the manager three years now and every day is team shape, and it shows… I don’t want to give any secrets away, but he gets the 11 that he wants on a match-day and he drills everything in that he wants. It’s certain drills defensive, certain drills attacking, and we work very hard at it. There are no diagrams. It’s all on the pitch with the ball, nothing unopposed.”

Whereas Redknapp doesn’t care for formations, Hodgson is a member of UEFA’s technical study group and will tell you about 4-4-2 all day long:

“The back four gives you the best possibilities of covering the width of the pitch defensively, and it also gives you great options, in my opinion, to get the the full-backs forward…one can go forward and the other three can shuttle across and you’re still playing with three defenders. When you play with three defenders, you lose that possibility.

The other six players? One could discuss. There’s no doubt you need one forward…you need a point of reference…if you play with two of them, you have the added advantage that whoever receives the ball has someone in close support at all times, and if balls are going to be played forward, you’ve got someone to threat the back of the defence. If you take him (the second striker) out, the threat to the back of the defence has to come from the midfield, you need midfield players bursting forward. It’s interesting to play with two – though these days many teams are playing with them vertically, rather than alongside each other.

The central midfielders do an important job for you, they’re going to protect the back four, and they’re also going to be the catalysts for attacks. The wide players are the ones you’re looking for to use spaces.

With 4-4-2, you’ve got ‘twos’ all over the field. I would always be looking to find a team that can play with a back four. Amongst the front six there a lot more options.”

Decision

So which type of coach is needed? England are in a state of complete confusion. Going into a major tournament having appointed your coach a month beforehand is embarrassing enough. Then there is the problem that Wayne Rooney, the star attacking player, is suspended from the first two games. Jack Wilshere, assumed to be one of England’s key midfielders a year ago, will miss out through injury. A generation of very good individuals (though never remotely a cohesive unit) are now past their peak, while the next crop are not established enough to base a successful team around.

This complete failure to have any long-term project in place deserves first round elimination – an outcome that would have been regarded as ‘best for England in the long-run’, had they not consistently failed to learn lessons from previous failures.

Templates

All this should make even the most ardent England supporter realise that the team is currently a rank outsider. And the only way outsiders have overachieved in recent major international tournaments is by being defensive and functional. Uruguay won the 2011 Copa America in this fashion, and Zambia triumphed at this year’s Africa Cup of Nations with the lowest pass completion rate in the tournament, something also achieved by Greece in Euro 2004. Uruguay (again) and Ghana were the surprise performers at the 2010 World Cup, both being inherently reactive, defensive sides. It’s difficult to name a recent underdog that has overachieved by playing attractive football.

Only the best sides can contest international tournaments in an open, attractive style and succeed. For the Euros, this is probably limited to Spain, Germany and Holland. (Even they are more cautious than one might expect – this is a Spain side that won the World Cup scoring eight goals in seven games, while Germany who were thrilling in South Africa, but mainly on the counter-attack, and a Holland are considered one of the least ‘Dutch’ sides in history.) Those three can at least hope to play beautiful football. Everyone else must focus upon being well-drilled and rigid.

If a disciplined, organised style of play is perfect for leading an underdog into a major international tournament, there is only one choice. Hodgson’s successes have generally been with underdogs; the only problem anyone can have with his style of management suiting England’s situation this summer is if (a) they refuse to accept England are underdogs, or (b) they are frustrated at the confirmation of England’s status as underdogs.

(All this ignores long-term goals: granted, this is a major reason why England are currently in their current situation, but it’s difficult to see what long-term planning England can do between now and the Euros – regrouping after the summer is more logical. Talk of abandoning any attempt to compete at Euro 2012, in favour of a long-term approach looking forward to World Cup 2014, is a nice idea but assumes qualification and a reasonable idea of who would be in the side in two years’ time. Future international XIs are notoriously difficult to predict – predicting this year’s XI is difficult enough. In 2006 England took Theo Walcott to the World Cup, and though he didn’t play, he picked up ‘good tournament experience’, supposedly. This was totally useless when England didn’t qualify for Euro 2008 or when Walcott wasn’t deemed worthy of a place at World Cup 2010, and it was a wasted place in the 2006 tournament. To ‘do a Walcott’ with an entire squad would be suicidal.)

Caveats

There are two questions about Hodgson’s suitability. The first involves whether he’ll have enough time at international level implement his strict positioning correctly. This is a genuine issue – coaches who have had two years to prepare find it difficult, Hodgson only has a month. It will mean Hodgson’s style of football is probably even more boring than usual, as he would focus on defensive drills before planning any attacking moves. In that Davies interview quoted earlier, the Welshman finishes by saying, “We’re two-and-a-half years down the line now, so we’re all converted.” Hodgson does need time – when he arrived at Fulham, the team started poorly before a sharp recovery.

The second question is whether England’s players would respect Hodgson and be willing to follow his instructions. This is a problem for any England coach, though: Fabio Capello was ‘too distant’, Steve McClaren was ‘too chummy’. Hodgson isn’t stupid, and will be able to work out which type of players will be on board – he must be brave enough not to select anyone he believes will be a significant problem.

Conclusion

The point here is not that England have no chance of winning the tournament – it’s that they had no chance of winning the tournament by playing the anarchic football favoured by Redknapp. The type of football Hodgson offers is, in theory, the type of football that will maximise England’s chances of getting out of the group. In the current state of confusion, that must be regarded as a sensible target - although if Hodgson states this or voices satisfaction when this target is reached, he will be slaughtered for lowering expectations.

England must attempt to win the tournament; the chances are extremely slim, but have marginally increased with this appointment. England don’t have good enough players to be open and indulge individuals, and therefore Hodgson’s system-first approach makes sense

Anyway, Michael Cox supports the appointment of Roy. It will be interesting to see if Gerrard remains in the first team or if any Liverpool players are selected. Obviously he might give chances to players who know his system as this will benefit the team, but I bet any money that any irregular selection choices will be scrutinised by the media as the player is not good enough or does not have a big enough name to play for England.

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by worms. on Tue May 01, 2012 5:58 pm

The Easter Bunny wrote:
It's Tito time! wrote:
The Easter Bunny wrote:
S4P wrote:For the second time, I write: I've never seen anyone born, educated and living in England be so desparate to see England fail.

And he lives of the dole ok

The old generation cheers

*off

I am entitled to my benefits just as much as the next man. <Ale>

The grammar police Ale Aye you would be entitled to benefits if you ever had to pay tax.


Wrong,anybody is entitled to benefits,it doesn't matter if you've had a job before and paid taxes that way,every time I walk into a shop and buy something I pay my taxes.The tax rate is 20% nowadays,we are taxed to death.

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Brian2468 on Tue May 01, 2012 6:50 pm

It's Tito time! wrote:
The Easter Bunny wrote:
It's Tito time! wrote:
The Easter Bunny wrote:
S4P wrote:For the second time, I write: I've never seen anyone born, educated and living in England be so desparate to see England fail.

And he lives of the dole ok

The old generation cheers

*off

I am entitled to my benefits just as much as the next man. <Ale>

The grammar police Ale Aye you would be entitled to benefits if you ever had to pay tax.


Wrong,anybody is entitled to benefits,it doesn't matter if you've had a job before and paid taxes that way,every time I walk into a shop and buy something I pay my taxes.The tax rate is 20% nowadays,we are taxed to death.



My good man I know of a place that would gainfully employ you full-time as a punch bag in any local Boxing Gym.... Very Happy

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Brian2468 on Tue May 01, 2012 6:51 pm

We have a new gaffer....................yipppeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Brian2468 on Tue May 01, 2012 6:52 pm

Time to relish the all good things going forward with our National team..... shhh

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