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EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Murray on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:37 pm

June 11
17.00 France - England (Donetsk)
19.45 Ukraine - Sweden (Kiev)

June 15
17.00 Sweden - England (Kiev)
19.45 Ukraine - France (Donetsk)

June 19
19.45 England - Ukraine (Donetsk)
19.45 Sweden - France (Kiev)

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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by worms. on Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:22 pm

Sweeden are 66/1 to win the Euros.Worth a cheeky little bet imo,they won 8 of thier 10 qualifying games.

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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by 110% on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:31 pm

Rio pledges support to England:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18325005

He will be in the minority as the rest of England will be supporting Spain, Germany or Holland Wink, or in worms's case all three Razz

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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by 110% on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:48 pm

One positive for England is that Mexes and Evra are still favourites to start and are unlikely to fuck it up tonight against Estonia

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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by A & K on Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:56 am

Well Mexes and Rami didn't too well, so I guess Blanc will make some changes. Evra was so-so, therefore putting Kosnie and Clichy seems less riskier.

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Post by 110% on Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:25 am

Alive and Kicking wrote:Well Mexes and Rami didn't too well, so I guess Blanc will make some changes. Evra was so-so, therefore putting Kosnie and Clichy seems less riskier.

I am pretty sure pierre, bobo and worms will tell you that Mexes was the best player on the pitch, and the rest of England is hoping that Blanc has the same blinkered view.

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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by worms. on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:03 am

Well I wouldn't since I didn't watch the game.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:50 am

Mexes made a couple of silly errors, but he's still their best defender. No point breaking up a CB partnership that has gone 21 games unbeaten and making knee jerk reactions to a friendly match.

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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by 110% on Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:07 pm

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Mexes made a couple of silly errors, but he's still their best defender. No point breaking up a CB partnership that has gone 21 games unbeaten and making knee jerk reactions to a friendly match.

I knew we could rely on you, but can we rely on blanc? <Ale>

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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by wassberg on Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:58 am

Having watched Sweden in the friendlies I must say that we are crap. Except for Zlatan we don't have any great personalities any more. France looks unbeatable in this group. For the second spot I believe it's a tossup.

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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by A & K on Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:53 am

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Mexes made a couple of silly errors, but he's still their best defender. No point breaking up a CB partnership that has gone 21 games unbeaten and making knee jerk reactions to a friendly match.

What partnership are you talking about, because Mexes-Rami's partnership is rather new. Before Blanc tried Kaboul, Shako, Abidal in CD.. and it was pretty OK but not amazing. With Mexes/Rami/Koscie it seems much better. They are the three most experienced players in this area. The rest Kaboul, Shako aren't good enough.
A shame Abidal is not here because I have a feeling Blanc will put Evra.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Isco Benny on Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:41 am

The England team visited an orphanage in Poland today. "It's heartbreaking to see their sad little faces with no hope" said Igor, aged 6.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Puro on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:56 am

See you at noon (my time) mes amis! Let us indulge with plenty of laughter. Biggrin <Ale>
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Isco Benny on Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:21 am

See you later Puro. Whatever happens tonight, we can all take comfort from the fact that Titans of the World Game are currently bottom of the South American qualifying group.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:06 am

Read a stat earlier that Downing created the most chances (about 55) that were not taken in the Premier League..anyone know if that's true?
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Antarion on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:23 am

Good thing all the favourite teams playing each other either on md1 or md2 already in these euros, so no early decisions in each group!

Very interested to see this game tonight, don't care for the winner but hope for an entertaining match.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Isco Benny on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:39 am

I've enjoyed England being unbeaten so far in the tournament. Shame about the upcoming kick off tonight.

Not expecting much. Even with a fully fit team the French would probably be too strong. Without Wilshere, Rooney, Cahill, on form Lampard I see it being 2 nil to the French.

Whilst losing would be a blow to group qualification chances, it wouldnt be terminal.as long as France beat Sweden and Ukraine. From there its whoever picks up most points in their other 2 games, which England are capable of doing.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:57 am

Disco Benny wrote:I've enjoyed England being unbeaten so far in the tournament. Shame about the upcoming kick off tonight.

Not expecting much. Even with a fully fit team the French would probably be too strong. Without Wilshere, Rooney, Cahill, on form Lampard I see it being 2 nil to the French.

Whilst losing would be a blow to group qualification chances, it wouldnt be terminal.as long as France beat Sweden and Ukraine. From there its whoever picks up most points in their other 2 games, which England are capable of doing.

To be fair, apart from Rooney, England don't really miss the other three. Lampard & Gerrard together just don't work, Cahill & Wilshere are probably not even starters for England when fit. (I know people here rate Wilshere very highly, but he has got just 5 England caps... How can you miss him so much when he has hardly played for you?).

Rooney is a big, big miss. Specially coz I don't rate Welbeck as much as most people here. IMO Carroll should start over him, with 2 proper wingers, including Ox - who is an awesome talent.

And don't worry, the French are very over rated here - mostly due to their unbeaten run... but they have got a very young squad, have little experience. England can beat them.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Antarion on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:02 am

Disco Benny wrote:I've enjoyed England being unbeaten so far in the tournament. Shame about the upcoming kick off tonight.

Not expecting much. Even with a fully fit team the French would probably be too strong. Without Wilshere, Rooney, Cahill, on form Lampard I see it being 2 nil to the French.

Whilst losing would be a blow to group qualification chances, it wouldnt be terminal.as long as France beat Sweden and Ukraine. From there its whoever picks up most points in their other 2 games, which England are capable of doing.

Even if France are called the dark horses and are unbeaten for quiet some time you shouldn't overestimate them. They had their troubles in qualification. Hope they finish second and Spain will face them in the quarters for a real test for both teams.

Expect a draw this evening.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:45 am

Don't see why England fans are so defeatist on here. France are good, but it is not like you're facing Germany or Spain.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Isco Benny on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:00 am

bluenine wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:I've enjoyed England being unbeaten so far in the tournament. Shame about the upcoming kick off tonight.

Not expecting much. Even with a fully fit team the French would probably be too strong. Without Wilshere, Rooney, Cahill, on form Lampard I see it being 2 nil to the French.

Whilst losing would be a blow to group qualification chances, it wouldnt be terminal.as long as France beat Sweden and Ukraine. From there its whoever picks up most points in their other 2 games, which England are capable of doing.

To be fair, apart from Rooney, England don't really miss the other three. Lampard & Gerrard together just don't work, Cahill & Wilshere are probably not even starters for England when fit. (I know people here rate Wilshere very highly, but he has got just 5 England caps... How can you miss him so much when he has hardly played for you?).

Rooney is a big, big miss. Specially coz I don't rate Welbeck as much as most people here. IMO Carroll should start over him, with 2 proper wingers, including Ox - who is an awesome talent.

And don't worry, the French are very over rated here - mostly due to their unbeaten run... but they have got a very young squad, have little experience. England can beat them.

Cahill would have started for England - a back 3 of Cole, Terry and Cahill carried over from Chelsea would have been extremely useful. Granted, Chelsea rode their luck at times with opposition missing chances on their way to the CL final, but generally that unit has been very solid this season.

Wilshere is a true ball retainer, something we all know is lacking in the English midfield. I'm sure if he hadn't got injured he would be starting for England this summer, and making a big difference given the games he played in for England he was the fulcrum of the English midfield. A Pirlo-type deep lying playmaker if you will. I could see Woy playing him alongside Gerrard.



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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by debaser on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:09 am

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Don't see why England fans are so defeatist on here.

Defence mechanism. International football = pain. Pain = worse if you have hope.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Isco Benny on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:14 am

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Don't see why England fans are so defeatist on here. France are good, but it is not like you're facing Germany or Spain.

We have a terrible record against France. Worse than against Spain. Worse than Germany.

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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:22 am

debaser wrote:
BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Don't see why England fans are so defeatist on here.

Defence mechanism. International football = pain. Pain = worse if you have hope.

ok Fuck hope.
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Post by Rosicky on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:35 am

But i thought everyone on here was constantly bigging up Ingerlund saying how ww are going to dominate world football and that the EPL is the greatest ever league?

I am confounded ye contes Ale
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Hlebagone on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:37 am

bluenine wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:I've enjoyed England being unbeaten so far in the tournament. Shame about the upcoming kick off tonight.

Not expecting much. Even with a fully fit team the French would probably be too strong. Without Wilshere, Rooney, Cahill, on form Lampard I see it being 2 nil to the French.

Whilst losing would be a blow to group qualification chances, it wouldnt be terminal.as long as France beat Sweden and Ukraine. From there its whoever picks up most points in their other 2 games, which England are capable of doing.

To be fair, apart from Rooney, England don't really miss the other three. Lampard & Gerrard together just don't work, Cahill & Wilshere are probably not even starters for England when fit. (I know people here rate Wilshere very highly, but he has got just 5 England caps... How can you miss him so much when he has hardly played for you?).

Rooney is a big, big miss. Specially coz I don't rate Welbeck as much as most people here. IMO Carroll should start over him, with 2 proper wingers, including Ox - who is an awesome talent.

And don't worry, the French are very over rated here - mostly due to their unbeaten run... but they have got a very young squad, have little experience. England can beat them.

Because he can pass the ball. Its fairly fundamental.
He would also certainly be a starter.

I'm still uncertain why people even consider that Carrol should start in front of Welbeck. Even if you don't rate Welbeck as much as others, all Carrol offers over Welbeck is a stronger threat in the air, but if you can't control the ball in your passes/knock ons, its rendered fairly useless.

Apart from that, and attacking headers - although how many of those has Carrol scored this year, Welbeck is far superior in every other aspect of his game.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Hlebagone on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:38 am

Disco Benny wrote:
bluenine wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:I've enjoyed England being unbeaten so far in the tournament. Shame about the upcoming kick off tonight.

Not expecting much. Even with a fully fit team the French would probably be too strong. Without Wilshere, Rooney, Cahill, on form Lampard I see it being 2 nil to the French.

Whilst losing would be a blow to group qualification chances, it wouldnt be terminal.as long as France beat Sweden and Ukraine. From there its whoever picks up most points in their other 2 games, which England are capable of doing.

To be fair, apart from Rooney, England don't really miss the other three. Lampard & Gerrard together just don't work, Cahill & Wilshere are probably not even starters for England when fit. (I know people here rate Wilshere very highly, but he has got just 5 England caps... How can you miss him so much when he has hardly played for you?).

Rooney is a big, big miss. Specially coz I don't rate Welbeck as much as most people here. IMO Carroll should start over him, with 2 proper wingers, including Ox - who is an awesome talent.

And don't worry, the French are very over rated here - mostly due to their unbeaten run... but they have got a very young squad, have little experience. England can beat them.

Cahill would have started for England - a back 3 of Cole, Terry and Cahill carried over from Chelsea would have been extremely useful. Granted, Chelsea rode their luck at times with opposition missing chances on their way to the CL final, but generally that unit has been very solid this season.

Wilshere is a true ball retainer, something we all know is lacking in the English midfield. I'm sure if he hadn't got injured he would be starting for England this summer, and making a big difference given the games he played in for England he was the fulcrum of the English midfield. A Pirlo-type deep lying playmaker if you will. I could see Woy playing him alongside Gerrard.




OMG YOU JUST SAID WILSHERE IS AS GOOD AS PIRLO. DELUDED DPL SUPPORTER.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Kroos on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:23 pm

Hlebagone wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:
bluenine wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:I've enjoyed England being unbeaten so far in the tournament. Shame about the upcoming kick off tonight.

Not expecting much. Even with a fully fit team the French would probably be too strong. Without Wilshere, Rooney, Cahill, on form Lampard I see it being 2 nil to the French.

Whilst losing would be a blow to group qualification chances, it wouldnt be terminal.as long as France beat Sweden and Ukraine. From there its whoever picks up most points in their other 2 games, which England are capable of doing.

To be fair, apart from Rooney, England don't really miss the other three. Lampard & Gerrard together just don't work, Cahill & Wilshere are probably not even starters for England when fit. (I know people here rate Wilshere very highly, but he has got just 5 England caps... How can you miss him so much when he has hardly played for you?).

Rooney is a big, big miss. Specially coz I don't rate Welbeck as much as most people here. IMO Carroll should start over him, with 2 proper wingers, including Ox - who is an awesome talent.

And don't worry, the French are very over rated here - mostly due to their unbeaten run... but they have got a very young squad, have little experience. England can beat them.

Cahill would have started for England - a back 3 of Cole, Terry and Cahill carried over from Chelsea would have been extremely useful. Granted, Chelsea rode their luck at times with opposition missing chances on their way to the CL final, but generally that unit has been very solid this season.

Wilshere is a true ball retainer, something we all know is lacking in the English midfield. I'm sure if he hadn't got injured he would be starting for England this summer, and making a big difference given the games he played in for England he was the fulcrum of the English midfield. A Pirlo-type deep lying playmaker if you will. I could see Woy playing him alongside Gerrard.




OMG YOU JUST SAID WILSHERE IS AS GOOD AS PIRLO. DELUDED DPL SUPPORTER.

LOL i know that i suck in english, BUT the feck, i don`t see an as good as pirlo comment

or was this for worms Very Happy
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Super Progress on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:32 pm

Disco Benny wrote:
bluenine wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:I've enjoyed England being unbeaten so far in the tournament. Shame about the upcoming kick off tonight.

Not expecting much. Even with a fully fit team the French would probably be too strong. Without Wilshere, Rooney, Cahill, on form Lampard I see it being 2 nil to the French.

Whilst losing would be a blow to group qualification chances, it wouldnt be terminal.as long as France beat Sweden and Ukraine. From there its whoever picks up most points in their other 2 games, which England are capable of doing.

To be fair, apart from Rooney, England don't really miss the other three. Lampard & Gerrard together just don't work, Cahill & Wilshere are probably not even starters for England when fit. (I know people here rate Wilshere very highly, but he has got just 5 England caps... How can you miss him so much when he has hardly played for you?).

Rooney is a big, big miss. Specially coz I don't rate Welbeck as much as most people here. IMO Carroll should start over him, with 2 proper wingers, including Ox - who is an awesome talent.

And don't worry, the French are very over rated here - mostly due to their unbeaten run... but they have got a very young squad, have little experience. England can beat them.

Cahill would have started for England - a back 3 of Cole, Terry and Cahill carried over from Chelsea would have been extremely useful. Granted, Chelsea rode their luck at times with opposition missing chances on their way to the CL final, but generally that unit has been very solid this season.

Wilshere is a true ball retainer, something we all know is lacking in the English midfield. I'm sure if he hadn't got injured he would be starting for England this summer, and making a big difference given the games he played in for England he was the fulcrum of the English midfield. A Pirlo-type deep lying playmaker if you will. I could see Woy playing him alongside Gerrard.

For me Wilshere is without a doubt the biggest miss for England. They don't have anybody with the qualities he has. He is a good passer but also confident receiving the ball even in tough situations. But added to that he surprisingly good defensive and a real fighter too.

It's a real shame he didn't make it the squad. I'm quite hopeful for England after this cup with the players they have coming up. It seems like a much more balanced side and with players that have less hype around them. I gues we really see that side in 2014. First time since 2002 that an England has had any real interest to me.

I want France to go far but I want England in this as well so I don't know who to cheer for really.
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Re: EURO 2012 Group D

Post by Isco Benny on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:53 pm

Hlebagone wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:
bluenine wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:I've enjoyed England being unbeaten so far in the tournament. Shame about the upcoming kick off tonight.

Not expecting much. Even with a fully fit team the French would probably be too strong. Without Wilshere, Rooney, Cahill, on form Lampard I see it being 2 nil to the French.

Whilst losing would be a blow to group qualification chances, it wouldnt be terminal.as long as France beat Sweden and Ukraine. From there its whoever picks up most points in their other 2 games, which England are capable of doing.

To be fair, apart from Rooney, England don't really miss the other three. Lampard & Gerrard together just don't work, Cahill & Wilshere are probably not even starters for England when fit. (I know people here rate Wilshere very highly, but he has got just 5 England caps... How can you miss him so much when he has hardly played for you?).

Rooney is a big, big miss. Specially coz I don't rate Welbeck as much as most people here. IMO Carroll should start over him, with 2 proper wingers, including Ox - who is an awesome talent.

And don't worry, the French are very over rated here - mostly due to their unbeaten run... but they have got a very young squad, have little experience. England can beat them.

Cahill would have started for England - a back 3 of Cole, Terry and Cahill carried over from Chelsea would have been extremely useful. Granted, Chelsea rode their luck at times with opposition missing chances on their way to the CL final, but generally that unit has been very solid this season.

Wilshere is a true ball retainer, something we all know is lacking in the English midfield. I'm sure if he hadn't got injured he would be starting for England this summer, and making a big difference given the games he played in for England he was the fulcrum of the English midfield. A Pirlo-type deep lying playmaker if you will. I could see Woy playing him alongside Gerrard.




OMG YOU JUST SAID WILSHERE IS AS GOOD AS PIRLO. DELUDED DPL SUPPORTER.

Laughing Naturally, I meant Wilshere's positional role, not specifically his execution. But then, you already knew that, but habit dictates one has to be very clear in these situations given the inevitable encircling pedants Ale

Whilst I much prefer the situation where we can watch England without any particularly burdening expectations, the ABE's (Anyone But England - namely the rest of UK, most of Europe and Peru) will still find a reason to belittle the English stance, whether we're hyping up or downplaying our chances. It's already been evident on websites, phone lines and IN REAL LIFE: the Scots at my work are criticising England for displaying (realistic) pessimism. It's a catch 22.


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