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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Axeslammer on Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:26 pm

Fey wrote:

Also not happy with van Marwijk, why take the likes of Narsingh and John with you, and not give them a go? Isnt that the point of a friendly?



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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by worms. on Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:55 pm

Romford Pele wrote:
debaser wrote:
Fey wrote: And you could see van Bommel telling Robben after the second goal ''Let the Germans talk, they only use you as 21st century scapegoat jew''

lol!

lol!

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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Fey on Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:06 pm

Holland qualified for the U-17 Euros this week. Thanks to Tony Trindade de Vilhena. He basically did it all 3 matches on his own. Was also there when Holland won it with the other NBKK's against Germany. Is considered one of the biggest, if not, the biggest talent in Dutch football. Made his debut for Feyenoord a few weeks ago and turned just 17!

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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Axeslammer on Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:51 am

How about taking Seedorf to the Euros, just for the (inevitable) match against the Spanish ?

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Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:11 pm

Axeslammer wrote:How about taking Seedorf to the Euros, just for the (inevitable) match against the Spanish ?

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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Allez les rouges on Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:13 pm

Fair enough, a semi-final between you two in Donetzk is not unlikely at all Ale
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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by EMP on Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:08 pm

Axeslammer wrote:
Fey wrote:

Also not happy with van Marwijk, why take the likes of Narsingh and John with you, and not give them a go? Isnt that the point of a friendly?



ok

To give them some experience of the set up - training, etc. Perhaps he sees them as not serious contenders for the Euros, but candidates to bring in the World Cup qualifiers and therefore worth bringing along, but actually wanting to see those he is seriusly considering play. Not saying this is reason, but it could explain his thinking.
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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Super Progress on Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:42 pm

Axeslammer wrote:How about taking Seedorf to the Euros, just for the (inevitable) match against the Spanish ?

Wink
I honestly don't think it is a bad idea to have him on the bench and perhaps play him in big matches. I think he has something to contribute and he has shown that he can still play at the highest level.

Btw what is the likely starting line up going to be for the Euros?
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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Fey on Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:59 pm

Axeslammer wrote:How about taking Seedorf to the Euros, just for the (inevitable) match against the Spanish ?

Wink

WHAT? Just because he was okay yesterday? Besides he has never done it for Oranje. Ahhh I see the Wink now. Good.

Who also needs to get dropped asap, is Strootman, thank god even the media are starting to hype him less now he went AWOL in all the big matches PSV played this year. Unlike a certain other midfielder, Clasie was his name I believe.


EMP wrote:
Axeslammer wrote:
Fey wrote:

Also not happy with van Marwijk, why take the likes of Narsingh and John with you, and not give them a go? Isnt that the point of a friendly?



ok

To give them some experience of the set up - training, etc. Perhaps he sees them as not serious contenders for the Euros, but candidates to bring in the World Cup qualifiers and therefore worth bringing along, but actually wanting to see those he is seriusly considering play. Not saying this is reason, but it could explain his thinking.

Not really, he wanted to get a result at Wembley after the previous matches went not so well. If Holland were already 0-3 up, im fairly sure he would have brought either Narsingh or John on.
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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by EMP on Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:04 pm

Fey wrote:
Axeslammer wrote:How about taking Seedorf to the Euros, just for the (inevitable) match against the Spanish ?

Wink

WHAT? Just because he was okay yesterday? Besides he has never done it for Oranje. Ahhh I see the Wink now. Good.

Who also needs to get dropped asap, is Strootman, thank god even the media are starting to hype him less now he went AWOL in all the big matches PSV played this year. Unlike a certain other midfielder, Clasie was his name I believe.


EMP wrote:
Axeslammer wrote:
Fey wrote:

Also not happy with van Marwijk, why take the likes of Narsingh and John with you, and not give them a go? Isnt that the point of a friendly?



ok

To give them some experience of the set up - training, etc. Perhaps he sees them as not serious contenders for the Euros, but candidates to bring in the World Cup qualifiers and therefore worth bringing along, but actually wanting to see those he is seriusly considering play. Not saying this is reason, but it could explain his thinking.

Not really, he wanted to get a result at Wembley after the previous matches went not so well. If Holland were already 0-3 up, im fairly sure he would have brought either Narsingh or John on.

Ok. In your opinion, does he see them as serious contenders for the Euros?
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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Fey on Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:08 pm

I guess. Elia is out of the picture. Affellay still injured. So that leaves room for new blood. By van Marwijk's standards he must also leave Midget out. But that won't happen sadly.
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Post by EMP on Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:17 pm

Fey wrote:I guess. Elia is out of the picture. Affellay still injured. So that leaves room for new blood. By van Marwijk's standards he must also leave Midget out. But that won't happen sadly.

Fair enough. If he intends to take them to Euros or give them chance to play their way into the squad, then they must get playing time. How many other friendlies have you got? If they don't get to play then I think it is unlikely that he ever intended to use them in Euros unless forced to. As you say no point including them and not playing them at all if he seriously wants them for Euros.
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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Fey on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:16 pm

4 I believe, against Bulgaria, Slovakia, Ireland and...Bayern Munich!!

He started too late with his rejuvenation. He should select Clasie though, cause I want to see him humiliate Kroos and get up against the best German enemies.
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Post by EMP on Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:16 pm

Fey wrote:4 I believe, against Bulgaria, Slovakia, Ireland and...Bayern Munich!!

He started too late with his rejuvenation. He should select Clasie though, cause I want to see him humiliate Kroos and get up against the best German enemies.

Then they will have to be watched very closely, as there's still time to force their way into his plans.
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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Fey on Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:24 pm

Yeah, its a bit late, but there is still time. Considering Holland needs 23 players from this list:

Keepers

Tim Krul (Newcastle United)
Michel Vorm (Swansea City)
Maarten Stekelenburg (AS Roma)
Jeroen Zoet (PSV)
Piet Velthuizen (Vitesse)

Defenders

Gregory van der Wiel (AFC Ajax)
Daryl Janmaat (SC Heerenveen)
Ronnie Stam (Wigan Athletic)
Ricardo van Rhijn (AFC Ajax)
Khalid Boulahrouz (VFB Stuttgart)

Jeffrey Bruma (Chelsea FC)
Johnny Heitinga (Everton)
Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord)
Roel Brouwers (Borussia Mönchengladbach)
Hedwiges Maduro (Valencia CF)
Jeffrey Gouweleeuw (SC Heerenveen)
Joris Mathijsen (Málaga CF)
Bram Nuytinck (NEC)

Edson Braafheid (1899 Hoffenheim)
Nick Viergever (AZ)
Erik Pieters (PSV)
Patrick van Aanholt (Chelsea FC)
Royston Drenthe (Everton)

Midfielders

Vurnon Anita (AFC Ajax)
Mark van Bommel (AC Milan)
Demy de Zeeuw (Spartak Moskou)
Jordy Clasie (Feyenoord)
Nigel de Jong (Manchester City)

Stijn Schaars (Sporting Lissabon)
Kevin Strootman (PSV)
Rafael van der Vaart (Tottenham Hotspur)
Leroy Fer (FC Twente)
Robbert Schilder (NAC Breda)

Jonathan de Guzman (Villarreal CF)
Clarence Seedorf (AC Milan)
Wesley Sneijder (Internazionale)
Adam Maher (AZ)
Georginio Wijnaldum (PSV)
Urby Emanuelson (AC Milan)

Attackers

Roy Beerens (AZ)
Luciano Narsingh (SC Heerenveen)
Ibrahim Afellay (FC Barcelona)
Jeremain Lens (PSV)
Dirk Kuyt (Liverpool FC)

Ruud van Nistelrooij (Málaga CF)
Robin van Persie (Arsenal FC)
Bas Dost (SC Heerenveen)
Luuk de Jong (FC Twente)
Ricky van Wolfswinkel (Sporting Lissabon)
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Schalke '04)

Ryan Babel (1899 Hoffenheim)
Arjen Robben (FC Bayern München)
Derk Boerrigter (AFC Ajax)
Eljero Elia (Juventus FC)
Ola John (FC Twente)

They might make it anyway.
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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Axeslammer on Wed May 02, 2012 1:47 pm

Vitesse's Büttner has been mentioned as a possible LB.

We're still in need of good fullbacks....so good idea ?

While we're at it : should we also consider BMI (Bruno Martens Indi) ?

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Post by Fey on Fri May 04, 2012 3:45 pm

Büttner is allright! However he only started to play decent since a few months.

BMI is already a legend, but I can't see him start as LB for Oranje. Even though he does it well for us, he lacks the pace to do it for Oranje. No problem, cause he is a CB anyway. He will replace Vlaar in de long run.
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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Fey on Mon May 07, 2012 10:24 pm

THE OFFICIAL HOLLAND SQUAD!

Mind there are 36, so there will still be a cut of course.

Doel
Jasper Cillessen (Ajax), Tim Krul (Newcastle United), Erwin Mulder (Feyenoord), Maarten Stekelenburg (AS Roma), Michel Vorm (Swansea City).

Verdediging
Vurnon Anita (Ajax), Khalid Boulahrouz (VfB Stuttgart), Wilfred Bouma (PSV), John Heitinga (Everton), Hedwiges Maduro (Valencia), Joris Mathijsen (Málaga), Erik Pieters (PSV, heeft inmiddels afgezegd voor het EK), Nick Viergever (AZ), Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord), Stefan de Vrij (Feyenoord), Gregory van der Wiel (Ajax), Jetro Willems (PSV).

Middenveld
Mark van Bommel (AC Milan), Urby Emanuelson (AC Milan), Nigel de Jong (Manchester City), Siem de Jong (Ajax), Adam Maher (AZ), Stijn Schaars (Sporting Lissabon), Wesley Sneijder (Internazionale), Kevin Strootman (PSV), Rafael van der Vaart (Tottenham Hotspur), Georginio Wijnaldum (PSV).

Aanval
Ibrahim Afellay (Barcelona), Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Schalke 04), Ola John (FC Twente), Luuk de Jong (FC Twente), Dirk Kuyt (Liverpool), Jeremain Lens (PSV), Luciano Narsingh (SC Heerenveen), Robin van Persie (Arsenal), Arjen Robben (Bayern München).

A fucking disgrace! A FUCKING DISGRACE..that Clasie isnt included! He RAPED every Dutch midfielder this year! Nor the exquisite body of van Wolfswinkel is included!

Oranje=Orange Juice once again (you get it Jews! Ha!) and waaaaay too many from PSV! And we officaly have Johnny and Anita in a squad, that is just beyond wrong.

Pieters is out for the Euros though, which is a good thing, and he is replaced by Büttner!
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Post by Axeslammer on Wed May 16, 2012 11:51 am

After the first cut :

Goal: Tim Krul (Newcastle United), Maarten Stekelenburg (AS Roma), Michel Vorm (Swansea City)

Defense: Vurnon Anita (Ajax), Khalid Boulahrouz (VfB Stuttgart), Wilfred Bouma (PSV), John Heitinga (Everton), Joris Mathijsen (Málaga), Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord), Gregory van der Wiel (Ajax), Jetro Willems (PSV)

Midfield: Mark van Bommel (AC Milan), Nigel de Jong (Manchester City), Siem de Jong (Ajax), Adam Maher (AZ), Stijn Schaars (Sporting Lissabon), Wesley Sneijder (Internazionale), Kevin Strootman (PSV), Rafael van der Vaart (Tottenham Hotspur)

Attack: Ibrahim Afellay (Barcelona), Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Schalke 04), Luuk de Jong (FC Twente), Dirk Kuyt (Liverpool), Jeremain Lens (PSV), Luciano Narsingh (SC Heerenveen), Robin van Persie (Arsenal), Arjen Robben (Bayern München)



Dropping Emanuelson seems strange, but he's been playing as an AM for Milan ? If so then dropping him makes sense.

Our defence is crap....rest is okay Smile

BVM Needs to drop 4 more players ?

Willems, Siem de Jong, Lens and Anita ?
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Post by Axeslammer on Mon May 21, 2012 10:00 am

here at work the discussion is what medal to give to Robben...

The general consensus being that every medal and title the Queen can find, should be given to Arjen Ale

"For being a true Dutchman and fucking the Germans over royally" Very Happy
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Post by Fade out on Mon May 21, 2012 11:50 am

Axeslammer wrote:After the first cut :

Goal: Tim Krul (Newcastle United), Maarten Stekelenburg (AS Roma), Michel Vorm (Swansea City)

Defense: Vurnon Anita (Ajax), Khalid Boulahrouz (VfB Stuttgart), Wilfred Bouma (PSV), John Heitinga (Everton), Joris Mathijsen (Málaga), Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord), Gregory van der Wiel (Ajax), Jetro Willems (PSV)

Midfield: Mark van Bommel (AC Milan), Nigel de Jong (Manchester City), Siem de Jong (Ajax), Adam Maher (AZ), Stijn Schaars (Sporting Lissabon), Wesley Sneijder (Internazionale), Kevin Strootman (PSV), Rafael van der Vaart (Tottenham Hotspur)

Attack: Ibrahim Afellay (Barcelona), Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Schalke 04), Luuk de Jong (FC Twente), Dirk Kuyt (Liverpool), Jeremain Lens (PSV), Luciano Narsingh (SC Heerenveen), Robin van Persie (Arsenal), Arjen Robben (Bayern München)



Dropping Emanuelson seems strange, but he's been playing as an AM for Milan ? If so then dropping him makes sense.

Our defence is crap....rest is okay Smile

BVM Needs to drop 4 more players ?

Willems, Siem de Jong, Lens and Anita ?

So no Jordy Clasie after the cut?

Feyster was building him up to be next Xavi..
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Post by Axeslammer on Mon May 21, 2012 11:53 am

Fade out wrote:
So no Jordy Clasie after the cut?

Feyster was building him up to be next Xavi..

A garden gnome, with just one decent (and nothing more) season under his belt, as DM in Oranje ?!

No thanks Ale
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Post by Fey on Mon May 21, 2012 4:50 pm

Yes, leave the best Dutch player of the Eredivisie at home Rolling Eyes

Still way too many WRONG choices, which make NO SENSE, considering CLASIE could and should be included! I will give my honest, sensible and unbiased opinion about every one of these 36 players

Chillessen= 2nd keeper for the yids, behind Vermeer. That is a humiliation for Vermeer.
Stekelenburg= Turned really shit in Italy, but that is expected when one goes to a shit team like Roma
Mulder= I layed turds with more charisma then him
Krul= Legend
Vorm= Legend

Anita=Was good as DM in the league for the Jews, however not better then CLasie and is selected for the LB position. And he is rubbish at the back.
Boulahrouz= Surely injured
Bouma= LOL
Heitinga=Everton=Mediocre
Maduro= Never gets a game, thought you had to play to be eglible for selection. scratch
Mathijsen= Thought he was injured? Hardly played this season. Besides too old and too shit
Pieters=Getting replaced by Butters, which is a good thing.
Nick Viergever= Decent, worse then BMI and de Vrij though.
Vlaar= Hit and miss, had a decent run in the 2nd half of the league for us, is always shite for Oranje though.
De Vrij= Legend, finally a defender who can play football. Can also play RB.
vd Wiel= Had more impressive Tweets then minutes on a football pitch this season. That says something!
Willems= Young is another word then Talented. Besides being a replacement for Pieters that doesnt dissapoint, means nothing. Got skinned many times this season. Even by Schaken!

van Bommel= Good leader, but he is getting really old. Clasie is better
Emanuelson= Lol, also why is he selected as a midfielder. If I would pick him, that would be for LB. Clasie is better
Nigel de Jong= A disgrace, he hardly played this season. Clasie is better
Siem de Jong= Not as good as his brother, can't play football, can make a goal though
Adam Maher= Good call, though he looked very tired in the last matches. And got totally owned by Clasie
Stijn Schaars= Rubbish, why is he here? A boring 13 in a dozen midfielder. Perhaps for LB. Clasie is better
Wesley Sneijder=A midget c**t, who hardly played a game at an Italian subtop team. His career is over IMO.
Kevin Strootman= van Bommel wannabe, totally failed for PSV this year in the big games, got owned by Clasie.
Rafael van der Vaart= Not a professional footballer, besides he is freckin average, plays for an average team as well. Shouldn't be selected anymore.
Georginio Wijnaldum= Traitor! Besides he doesnt have the vision to play midfielder, was shite this year as well.

Ibrahim Afellay= I like him, as a midfielder. Though he just came back from injury and hardly played.
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar= Freckin rubbish, though I can understand why you can't leave the topscorer of the kraut league at home. Even though he can only score against average teams.
Luuk de Jong= Decent player, better then his brother. And a tad better footballer then rabbit. But nothing special
Dirk Kuyt= MotM, always usefull to have him around
Ola John= Typical black winger, could be the new Elia perhaps. No idea if that's a good thing.
Jeremain Lens= Average counter striker, is fast as fuck though. But he hardly played this year, nor impressed.
Luciano Narsingh= I like him! Got a gazillion assists this year, does need a lot of space infront of him.
Robin van Persie= #Legend
Arjen Robben= Bottling c**t, who is either injured and if he is not he will never play the ball to a teammate.

So, all in all im not impressed with this Dutch squad. Holland wont survive their group. Im not even sure the usual 3 points against Denmark are a given this time.


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Post by Isco Benny on Mon May 21, 2012 4:53 pm

Fey, my honest assessment?

Feyenoord and your shitty jungens are ruining Dutch football!

Pointless little club that you are Ale
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Post by Fey on Mon May 21, 2012 4:59 pm

Jesus christ Bernd! Such a long post of mine, I even started this before there were still 36 players into it couldnt be arsed to finish it at once, and all you remember is ''plays for an average team''

I must admit, I edited that later into it Ale

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Post by debaser on Mon May 21, 2012 5:26 pm

Bouma still gets in the Dutch squad Shocked Thought he'd be finished by now.
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Post by Fey on Mon May 21, 2012 6:34 pm

He is finished!

What part of Bouma= LOL dont you understand Debster Grr
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Post by debaser on Mon May 21, 2012 6:40 pm

Oh I didn't read that. Your post looked really boring Ale Just saw Bouma was in the squad in Axe's post earlier.
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Post by Fey on Mon May 21, 2012 6:41 pm

No

It's the most honest, unbiased Holland Euro 2012 guide I have read so far Ale
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Post by Isco Benny on Mon May 21, 2012 9:50 pm

I did enjoy reading it, even though it was written by a massive backstabber

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