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Post by Fey on Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:10 am

Poor...really poor blut..
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:12 am

He is a winner, you can't deny that. He even replaces the goalie and wins!

Enjoy winning, enjoy being the new Germany Fey! ok
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Post by Super Progress on Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:15 am

blutgraetsche wrote:He is a winner, you can't deny that. He even replaces the goalie and wins!

Enjoy winning, enjoy being the new Germany Fey! ok
 lol! 
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Post by Kimbo on Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:04 am

hero! legend! goalkeeper!

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Post by Kimbo on Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:46 am





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Post by Fey on Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:41 am

Newcastle's finest hour this world cup! Never heard him speak Dutch before, and he needs to get a new haircut..but he wont do that.

Also..saved as many pens in that shootout as for Newcastle Very Happy

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Post by 110% on Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:08 am

Congrats Dutchies!!!

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Post by Fey on Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:03 pm

Im happy that Holland will get two more games, surely Clasie will play in the 3th place playoff?

Still cant believe he doesnt get any minutes, Holland doesnt even have a midfield. 

Glennaldum and Blind are beyond shit!

Also the ridiculous goal from the Dutch FA, a semi-final, has been completed...though they demanded it to be reached with GOOD FOOTBALL!

Which I havent seen.
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Post by Kimbo on Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:08 pm

de boysh have done well
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Post by Fey on Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:21 pm

Sunderland fans didnt like Krul's performance though!

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/krul.938520/
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Post by Kimbo on Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:57 pm

Fey wrote:Sunderland fans didnt like Krul's performance though!

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/krul.938520/

They don't like anything, anyone associated with Newcastle is scum or a "kernt".

English people are hypocrites though, they'll watch Joe Hart swearing at a child and call it passion, they'll enjoy sledging in cricket, get all moist over trash talking in boxing, but if a keeper plays mind games in a football match it's cheating.  scratch
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Re: Oranje Thread

Post by Pras_tama on Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:13 pm

Fey, is it true that RVP is injured?

He did look uncomfortable v Costa Rica
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Post by Fey on Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:52 pm

I read he is having the shits.

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Post by 110% on Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:40 pm

Fey wrote:I read he is having the shits.

Mental fragility?
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Post by Fey on Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:42 pm

No, shitty food I guess...
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:33 pm

In praise of indefatigable Dirk Kuyt

Posted by Raphael Honigstein

On Sunday night, half a dozen members of the Netherlands squad were having a few quiet drinks at a Rio de Janeiro rooftop bar. Their press officer was with them, so this was obviously happening with the blessing of Louis van Gaal, who can be very strict about these things. (It didn't look as if anyone had any alcohol.)

A regular at the bar told us that the Dutch, who had been staying in a nearby hotel on Ipanema beach until Monday (they hadn't been able to book the rooms for longer), had come quite often to escape the confines of their rooms and chill a bit. So far, so unremarkable. That's just the sort of thing the Dutch do.

But there was something interesting about this group. All the players were wearing dark tops, and some also had baseball caps, with the overall effect that they almost disappeared into the darkness. The only Dutchman who wasn't at all concerned with keeping a low profile was Dirk Kuyt. The 33-year-old wore a white and orange training jacket, and his blond locks were visible from the distance.

Maybe, at his age, he's simply past caring. Or maybe he actually enjoyed a bit of attention during what promises to be his last tournament. Kuyt, it's fair to say, has played a surprisingly big role in the Oranje's progress to the semifinals. He's been a starter in their past three games and should feature again against Argentina on Wednesday.

The Fenerbahce striker has never been the sort of forward that the Dutch truly appreciate. His game is based on effort, endurance and positional intelligence. As a centre-forward, he's always had better players ahead of him and on the flanks; various coaches have preferred true wingers. Kuyt has been a different sort of specialist: a defensive wide forward. At club level, Rafael Benítez used him most effectively in that hybrid role during his time at Liverpool (2006-12) -- "Mr Duracell," the Spaniard used to call him.

Under Marco van Basten, Kuyt played very well on the right in a counterattacking 4-2-3-1 Dutch side at Euro 2008. At the World Cup in South Africa two years later, his work rate contributed, as Bert van Marwijk's well-organised but largely uninspiring side made it to the final. His involvement in Poland/Ukraine 2012, where internal rifts and poor performances resulted in an early exit, only amounted to 12 minutes in two substitute appearances.

Few expected the veteran from Katwijk aan Zee, a small city on the North Sea coast, to see so much action in Brazil, but perhaps we should have known something was up after one of the training sessions before the opening game against Spain. Van Gaal had requisitioned Kuyt from the reserves to train with the first-team forwards in Estadio da Gavea -- as a defender. Arjen Robben, Wesley Sneijder, Robin van Persie and a couple of others always outnumbered a two-, three- and four-man defence marshalled by Kuyt as the main centre-back, but they hardly got behind them to score any goals. Kuyt's men were too well positioned. The Dutch media later reported that since May van Gaal had been practising with the former Feyenoord man in various defensive positions.

It's easier to list the positions he hasn't played at this World Cup. Apart from goalkeeper and the centre of defence, Kuyt has featured everywhere on the pitch for van Gaal. Against Mexico in the round of 16, Kuyt was used in four different roles by the 62-year-old coach. "He is fantastic; he is ready for everything, from the first to the last second," Kuyt said about van Gaal after the penalty win over Costa Rica.

All those frequent tactical changes are only possible because in Kuyt, the future Man United manager has a player who will selflessly do any task asked of him, and he will do it with maximum effort. "Robben might be the star, Sneijder might be the tragic hero who has sacrificed himself ... but the symbol of this team is Dirk Kuyt," said Johan Cruyff, the high priest of Oranje, who never had too much time for hard workers in the past. "You are blessed with someone like Kuyt. You can go everywhere with him, tactically."

The son of a fisherman -- Kuyt himself worked on the trawlers as a teenager before starting his career at Utrecht -- represents the more pragmatic, physical Rotterdam style, but he has ironically become the last link to the old idea of Total Football, too. Dutch footballers were supposed to play in any position and interchange frequently, according to the 1970s textbook, but Cruyff et al never had good, honest runners such as Kuyt in mind.

Yet the former Barcelona coach seems to have relaxed his criteria in line with the changed mood in the Netherlands. "They have given up on the way of football we developed," the 67-year-old said. "But something has come in the place of that creativity and dominance. And it works. It is direct and effective, and it is built on passion and team spirit."

The actual football is being played by the three guys further up the pitch. Kuyt's importance, however, cannot be underestimated. Not only is his ultra-professional attitude exemplary, but he also helps the dressing room with his sunny and endearingly positive disposition. It's telling that van Gaal appointed him vice-captain when he took over; Kuyt continued in this role despite getting little playing time in the World Cup qualifiers.

On the occasion of his 100th cap for the Netherlands, the round of 16 clash with Mexico, van Persie presented Kuyt with a little gift and gave a short speech. Kuyt became only the seventh "centurion" in the history of the KNVB (Royal Dutch Football Association), and the day coincided with the seventh anniversary of his father's death, too.

"I knew that my father would have been proud, but not just for me -- for all the players and the staff," he said. That might not have been the last emotional, historic day for the second-oldest player (behind Germany's Miroslav Klose) left in the competition. "We have a lot of quality, and we will show it to Argentina."

Having come this far, Mr. Duracell is not about to slow down now.

http://www.espnfc.com/team/netherlands/449/blog/post/1938817/raphael-honigstein-pays-tribute-to-dirk-kuytthe-unsung-hero-of-the-netherlands-world-cup-campaign
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Post by Pras_tama on Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:12 pm

Any news on RvP?
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:43 pm

Pras_tama wrote:Any news on RvP?

Doesn't matter anyway, has been anonymous in the knock-out stages as always. There is always HUNTELAAR to power Holland to success!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:00 am

I'm not trying to blame the lad, I really don't, but fact of the matter is that Clasie played for the first time in the tournament and Holland lost for the first time. Is he bad luck? Did he disrupt the counter attacking magic by passing it sideways? What happened?

Congrats to Holland for making it this far, it's a great achievement considering the rather inexperienced squad. Van Gaal did some excellent work, but maybe it's for the best that he could not exactly pull a rabbit out of the hat this time and probably made a few mistakes in his selections. That should make the job of his successor easier, he is human after all.
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Post by Xavier on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:15 am

Thought Holland were improved markedly once he came on.... there was more fluidity about them, at least during the remainder of regular time; Clasie passed the ball with precision and pace, a quick thinker as opposed to the more lumbering De Jong. They did not seem to suffer any kind of defensive preparedness for it, either...

Maybe this is bait for Fey and I jumped on it.... sorry
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:26 am

Of course it's a bait for Fey  Grr 

But the fact still stands that they lost when he came on. Maybe it's karmic...
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:42 am

Dutch future after World Cup exit

Posted by Raphael Honigstein

The Netherlands have never finished third in a World Cup, but the chance to win the "small" final on Saturday against a traumatised Brazil team offered precious little consolation to Arjen Robben. "I could not care less about that game right now," the 30-year-old forward said after the penalty shootout in São Paulo. "In my opinion, they should abolish it all together. The World Cup is about one thing only: the Cup."

Defender Ron Vlaar (Aston Villa), who'd missed the first spot kick, was inconsolable too. "In the end, you stand here with empty hands," the 29-year-old lamented.

Seen in such harsh light, the trip to Brazil was always likely to end in disappointment for Oranje.

"Nobody expected us to make it to the final [at the start of the tournament]," manager Louis van Gaal said after the game, with some justification. The Elftal had brought the "Golden Triangle" of Robben, Wesley Sneijder and Robin van Persie with them, but not much more by way of creativity or cutting edge. Ultimately, it wasn't enough.

After the thrilling start against Spain and Australia, they were a little less convincing with every game and slowly fizzled out. The Netherlands couldn't find a way past Costa Rica in 120 minutes, nor could they against a cautious, hesitant Argentina. Van Gaal's defensive strategy recognised the lack of Dutch firepower; the team was set up to not concede. That tactic had served the team well in Brazil, and some of their counterattacking had been nothing short of breathtaking. But when Argentina didn't afford them the space to counterattack, there was nothing on which they could fall back -- not on Wednesday, in any case.

"We only had small chances," Robben said.

He took over the armband from van Persie, who was substituted six minutes into extra time after another jaded performance. The Manchester United striker was possibly affected by a stomach bug. It was hard to tell. There were so few Dutch forays into the final third that Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, van Persie's replacement, looked just as anonymous.

Robben was hugely disappointed, as you would expect. He came painfully close to winning the Dutch their first World Cup trophy in the 2010 final, and here they were within a couple misplaced spot-kicks of getting another shot. Will he get another opportunity to crown his career? It's tough to imagine him running at defenders in Russia four years from now, at age 34.

It only took him a few seconds in the postmatch interview with Dutch television to put things into proper perspective. Robben knew this team had lived on borrowed time, and they had come as far as possible with the talent at their disposal.

"We have given everything, everything, everything together," he said. "I'm so incredibly proud of this team."

In the past, there would have been recriminations after such a meek exit. The defence would have blamed the star-studded attack, and vice versa, and half the team would have blamed the Dutch coach for favouring the other half of the team. This, by contrast, remained a united Netherlands until the end. They played with the togetherness of an underdog and the solidarity of men who knew they were up against it. Every time Van Gaal lined them up in a 3-5-2 system that often became a resolutely reactive 5-3-2 during the game, he reinforced the message that this team were not cut out to dominate the ball or the space.

During his time at Bayern, the 62-year-old once came into the dressing room after a Champions League game while proudly waving UEFA's results sheet through the air. "FC Bayern won! Ajax won! Barcelona won! [These are] all Van Gaal teams!" This Netherlands were never a true a Van Gaal team, by contrast, and they never pretended to be either. Their style went against everything the Dutch school stood for. But a few old naysayers apart, everyone in Brazil and back home was fine with taking that path. There simply was no viable alternative, short of "having a go," England-style, with potentially fatal consequences early on in the competition.

The Elftal will receive a heroes' welcome upon their return to Amsterdam, regardless of the result in the irrelevant third-place playoff in Brasilia. Most supporters have an instinctive understanding of their team's capabilities and limitations; third or fourth place is a bigger achievement than anybody could have anticipated four weeks ago.

For the five 30-year-olds -- Van Persie, Robben, Sneijder, Huntelaar and Nigel de Jong -- it was probably the last shot at the trophy. Van Gaal too is unlikely to come back to the Netherlands' job a third time, unless both his time at Manchester United and that of his successor, Guus Hiddink, on the Dutch bench are cut dramatically short.

Hiddink, 67, has been full of praise for the work of his predecessor. "The team that this technical staff will deliver after the World Cup feels like a gift," he told Algemeen Dagblad before the semifinal with Argentina. "These players have not only won much more value for their clubs but also much more value for themselves. They have learned in some tough matches to work out solutions and act on them."

The experience will undoubtedly help them at Euro 2016. But the Netherlands will need more for Hiddink to deliver a trophy at his third tournament in charge of the national team (he was Bondscoach at Euro '96 and the 1998 World Cup) -- namely, more quality.

The Dutch have promising young-ish players such as Memphis Depay (20), Daley Blind (24) and Jordy Clasie (23) but no outstanding attacking prospect to put any pressure on the Big Three's starting positions in France in two years' time. Hiddink will have to usher in a new generation that doesn't appear as blessed with talent -- in terms of numbers and quality -- as his '96 and '98 teams.

Hiddink will be relieved that there will be no expectation of beautiful football from him. But whether his "results football" will be as effective as Van Gaal's remains to be seen.

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/world-cup-central/59/post/1942945/after-losing-to-argentina-in-the-world-cup-its-time-for-the-netherlands-to-think-about-the-future

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Post by 110% on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:55 am

Xavier wrote:Thought Holland were improved markedly once he came on.... there was more fluidity about them, at least during the remainder of regular time; Clasie passed the ball with precision and pace, a quick thinker as opposed to the more lumbering De Jong. They did not seem to suffer any kind of defensive preparedness for it, either...

Maybe this is bait for Fey and I jumped on it.... sorry

They improved for about 5-10 minutes, when he passed it forward, but then for some reason he decided not to pass it forwards any more and every pass seemed to be backwards. I thought he'd be more attacking after all the Fey hype, so I was a bit disappointed. Still he was better than the whole Belgium team against Argentina.
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Post by debaser on Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:17 pm

Clasie reminded me a lot of Tom Cleverley.
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Post by Fey on Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:44 pm

He looks like him, though he is a bit better. But both should be starters for their national teams. You think it was merely my bias I wanted to see him? No, he is good..yet only me and van Hanegem wanted to see Clasiesta start. van Hanegem raised him btw, imagine Charlton raising Rooney or Beckenbauer raising Kroos..what are the odds.

There is no country on earth that knows less about football then the Dutch people. On average, the football knowledge of a person in this country is SHOCKING! Add the jew media to it..and im the only person shouting the world is round in a flat land.

As for misunderstood geniuses, I think LVG did a lot right, but also a lot wrong. I liked the selection for a change, and I believed in it more then the average person. But everyone thinks he got the most out of it, well I dont. You can play way better football with this squad. The entire WC he didnt produced a functioning midfield. I dont understand why he went for Wijnaldum all the time who offered fuck all, or de Jong.

In the group games the defenders had problems to adept, but in the knock out stages it were the attacking players who didnt live up to the hype. Yet he kept playing with 5 defenders? The result is 240 minutes without a goal! Yet, he refused to go for a more attacking line-up.

As for the future, people think, like I said before, it will be shite once Robben etc will be gone. But I think it wont be as bad(bare in mind im always 2/3 years ahead), considering how well some defenders have developed, add Clasie to it, and Holland can return to a more dominant type of football instead of the counterattack and hope a Robben/HSWHW does something with it. 

All in all, they went further then expected. 13 games in SA and only a loss against....Scotland aint bad. But the execution could have been a lot better.

Anyway my ratings for the WC:

Cilessen: Decent footballing keeper, has zero charisma though, will never stop a pen. Hardly had any crucial saves to make. 6.5

Krul: Stopped that penalty well, innit! 7

Janmaat: There was a reason Holland offered more in attack when he was around, nontheless didnt have his pre-tourny form: 6

Vlaar: Sloppy start, but what a tourney from him, absolute bossed it, who knew...Ron Vlaar...of Aston Villa was a c**t hair away from a final! 7.5

De Vrij: Best footballing defender on the tournament. So young, yet already so good. Never was a pen against Costa. Totally redeemed himself. Veltman who? 7.5

Veltman: Those 14 minutes against spain, fucking Tom Cruise-lite, and way way less then de Vrij 5.5

Blind: Was great against Spain, went back to his usual self, aint a midfielder, aint really a good defender. Still dont know what he offers. Will be part of the future considering daddy will be coach. 5.5

Bmi: THose eyes, did a lot of things right, did a lot of things wrong, always prone to a red card as well. He bossed Costa, after that it went downhill. 5.5

Verhaegh: Who is he? 5

Wijndaldum: Had a mere of a season, wanted to become a playmaker, I never saw that in him, dont see him on any other midfield spot either. Why was selected again? 4

De Jong: Did what he does. Offered little more then that. 5 defenders+ de Jong is too much in my eyes. Was great against Australia...is useless in a build-up 6.5.

Sneijder: Midget fucking sucked, van Gaal hated him, never selected him, yet in the end...he played I believe every minute of this WC. Was even more useless then before considering the bal went past station Midget..or should that count as a good thing? 4.5

Clasie: What a player eh! Never seen a player who dominates a game so fast. And im not biased 8

Fer: He hit that header well against Chili...cant judge of for other stuff, cause there was non 6

Robben: Look so great on the counterattack, yet he is so shite for creating chances for other, nontheless he raped Spain and Chile and Mexioc 7.5

HSWHW: Dat goal against Spain...shame it went downhill, was unlucky against Costa Rica though, was better then usual for Holland 7

Depay: This computer generated player made a name for himself, was shocking against Costa Rica though 6.5

Kuyt: MOTM against Chile and Mexico perhaps. He is a fucking wild card, can play everywhere. Shame gets too old now 7

Huntelaar: Nailed that penalty..when it comes to football, he is so shite, yet the nation loves him, for some reason. 5.5

Lens: Typical Black Winger...TBW's...will we ever stop producing them? No I dont think so, he was this years version 4.5
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Post by debaser on Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:58 pm

is CG Depay not a TBW too?

was impressed with De Vrij. might even put him alongside Hummels in team of tournament. Vlaar's good in games like yesterday's. would have struggled if you'd played a higher line
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Post by Fey on Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:09 pm

No he is halfblood..besides he has a bit of vision. The Allezdian gave de Vrij a 6 yesterday...a 6..and called his shot on goal..a lack of quality..I hate that newspaper. Same goes for the so called exotic experts like Vickery and Honigstein...they know fuck all.

I totally forgot Holland still have to play a game Laughing
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Post by debaser on Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:34 pm

it's not a real game, but I daresay Clasie will start
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:55 pm

Robben clearly was your best, most consistent player by some distance, the only one of the "big three" up front who lived up to his name. Despite all the Feyenoord bias, even you can't deny this.

What do you expect from Hiddink (again...)? Do you expect him to start the transition and put more emphasis on youth? And what about the philosophy? Will Holland continue to play counter-attacking football out of a packed defence?
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Post by Fey on Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:06 am

What Feyenoord bias? Feyenoord was main supplier in 1974 and now as well, that cant be a coincidence! They showed the jew media that Holland doesnt need ajax!

Robben, he was decent at times, I dont deny that, hence he got such a high grade!

Hiddink will probably keep this squad, I think Robben etc will all go to France as well if they qualify, I think Holland will keep the gegenpressung system, yes. But its interesting to see what Hiddink will do, if your defense is weak, do you put another defender at it, or will you play another attacking minded player to release the pressure from the defense. Dont think it will be a debate anyway , considering the defense did prove itself.

It will be Blind who has got to do the most chances after 2016.

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