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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by worms. on Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:29 pm

Rosicky wrote:Buffon punched it straight out yesterday to Parker ffs. How was that not a dangerous area? Did you not watch the game?

Not the same at all,Hart regularly punches or pats the ball out to the edge of his 6 yard box.
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Isco Benny on Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:30 pm

I want Pirlos babys wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:
I want Pirlos babys wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:
COTR wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:Whilst I don't want to p*ss on the Pirlo love-in as he is and has been an incredible player, it cannot be emphasised enough how poorly England dealt with his threat. He was given acres of space to play in his deep role. England couldn't have done more to allow him to play his natural game. For a man with Hodgson's tactical acumen, it was bizarrely naive and at no time reactive as the game wore on (It also very much appeared that England could not match Italy's fitness levels from about 50 minutes onwards, which was astonishing really given English teams of the past have usually been extremely fit and able to do the "facking ranning" rather well)

Note that against a very industrious Croatian side, whose forwards worked far harder than Rooney/Carroll (Welbeck did a far better job of falling back and tracking Pirlo in the first half), Pirlo was fairly anonymous in the second half.

Germany will not make the same mistake off the ball that England did. I would be absolutely astonished if Pirlo gets to play with so much time on the ball against a much fitter, tactically astute German side. I imagine Schweini or Khedria might be pushed well up the pitch to do a man marking job on him. Germany's double pivot has rarely remained static this tournament, so this extra bit of dynamism will not be unusual.

As far as I can see: stop Pirlo and you stop Italy. Sounds utterly simple, yet the correlation between the impact of his injury in the 2010 group stages followed by his fluctuating influence in the Spain and Croatia games (where it was as simple as when Pirlo was given more touches of the ball = Italy were threatening, less touches = not so) is too clear to ignore.

His tactical acumen Shocked

England played in exactly the same manner throughout the entire tournament. Hodgson must be one of the lease adaptable managers to ever be involved in the game.

Sit back and pray Roy, sit back and pray

Of course, the Liverpool-based agendas continue.

His pragmatism is dividing, perhaps dated even. But he is clearly intelligent and astute, whether he chooses to act upon his observations or not. In this case, it is puzzling that a man so defensively pragmatic chose not to do something about Pirlo's time and space on the ball.

Equally puzzling/worrying was how poor England's offside trap was. But then again, that is the problem with playing Glenn Johnson across the backline.

And for the record, Cahill's injury / Rio's exclusion has only exposed what a terrible footballer Lescott is on the ball. Distribution is absolutely shocking.

Conversely, I feel John Terry has been brilliant this tournament. No, nothing to do with the media painting him out as a lionheart, the opposite infact: he has quietly gone about being a really top class CB throughout the summer. With an offside trap that actually worked, he'd have had to make less body blocks, but easily the most impressive English defender this tournament, and for me, one of the best in the whole competition.

Wast that the same Terry who played Ballotelli 5 yards onside?

Do you mean in the first half when Terry recovered to block?

You'll find that was Ashley Cole who played him onside Ale

It was blatantly Terry playing him onside,when Pirlo played the long pass over the top,Terry was on the right side of the pitch 3 yards behind the rest of the defense.

Trying to find a video link, but I'm pretty certain it wasn't Terry.

Eurosport seem to think it was Johnson:

BALOTELLI WASTES CHANCE! Balotelli is played onside by Johnson and is in acres of space 30 yards from goal but Terry gets back to make a crucial block.

Eitherway, I'm not sure what your point is, given Terry blocked Balotelli's shot anyway. The offside trap across the back 4 was terrible, and the main culprit was certainly not Terry......
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Fade out on Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:30 pm

So did Kahn and many other great GKs.
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Fade out on Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:31 pm

Terry in deed had a great tournament, justifying Roy's faith. Now we shall await his imprisonment.
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by mongrel hawk on Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:35 pm

christmasborocooper wrote:Any word from Sepp Blatter this morning on that alternative to penalties?

No! Penalties are great. It's not only good for the neutral watcher, but it's also an excelent punishment for teams that draw. Don't want to face penalties? Play to win.
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:51 pm

Mongrel Hawk wrote:
christmasborocooper wrote:Any word from Sepp Blatter this morning on that alternative to penalties?

No! Penalties are great. It's not only good for the neutral watcher, but it's also an excelent punishment for teams that draw. Don't want to face penalties? Play to win.

I've no problem with penalties.


It's Blatter..after Chelsea won in the CL final he was out the next day saying penalties should be stopped and we need to find an alternative..nothing from him today.

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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Brian2468 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:57 pm

Bash Bash Bash. Funny how with all the room Pirlo had to operate Hodgsons weak side prevented Italy scoring goals Rolling Eyes After what Capello had us playing like in the WC it would not of been any better. Again you play with what you have and missing a decent ball player in the middle left us totally useless in the middle and blaming the likes of Young, Milner the latter looked bad no better with Walcott. Even with Wilshere Hodgson can set the team up tighter in the middle. Anyway what is clear beating up the gaffer is an english pastime. pirat
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Kimbo on Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:04 pm

bluenine wrote:
I want Pirlos babys wrote:Hart best GK in the world ? Laugh

I don't think you could blame Hart for anything yesterday. He is a brilliant young goalie, and I won't be surprised if he becomes the best in the world one day. He has time on his side.

I would be very surprised, we(me included) call him the best keeper in the premier league mainly because he plays behind the best defence, and the older players like Cech, Given, Reina, and Friedel are past it, so he is kind of a lazy choice. Krul has far more potential though IMO. <Ale>

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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Brian2468 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:09 pm

Hart Played well, bound to make a few mistake with two banks of 4 playing in front of you. Jack Rutland is a good prospect also is he not?
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Isco Benny on Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:10 pm

Fade out wrote:Terry in deed had a great tournament, justifying Roy's faith. Now we shall await his imprisonment.

Laughing

It'll be a long time before we hear the words "John Terry" and "cleared" again
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by The Easter Bunny on Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:40 pm

bluenine wrote:
I want Pirlos babys wrote:
bluenine wrote:
I want Pirlos babys wrote:
bluenine wrote:
I want Pirlos babys wrote:
bluenine wrote:
I want Pirlos babys wrote:
bluenine wrote:
I want Pirlos babys wrote:Hart best GK in the world ? Laugh

I don't think you could blame Hart for anything yesterday. He is a brilliant young goalie, and I won't be surprised if he becomes the best in the world one day. He has time on his side.

lol! lol! lol! lol! Not while Neaurs around he won't be.

Hart is a dodgy keeper,he always parrys shots out in front of his goal and he is shit at passing.hart isnt even in the top 10.
Buffon is the best goalie I have seen in my lifetime, and he parries shots out in front of his goal at times. Nobody's perfect.

Hart would make my top 10 for sure. Infact, I would prefer him to Cesar at Inter, coz he has time on his side and will improve further.

That's not saying much,one season wonder.

Just humour me, which season was that?
09/10

For someone who supports two Serie A teams, you don't watch much of the league, do you? You are talking like Alan Hansen does about Serie A - just because Inter did the treble that season, it must have been Cesar at his peak. It wasn't.

That 2009-10 was the first season where Cesar starting making the odd mistake that has since characterized his game - it wasn't a great goalkeeping season for him, far from his best. The three seasons before that was when Cesar was at his peak, almost faultless and perhaps the best in the world.

I think I watch more Serie A than you,especially considering your opinion on Cesar.

Very unlikely that you watch more Inter games than me, my friend, unless you are in the squad Razz

lol! Worms lol!
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Tarun on Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:42 pm

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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Puro on Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:02 pm

Good morning mes amis! What a beautiful day I tell ya! Biggrin

I'm about to read every Khazar publication (or as many as time allows) lamenting the loss of their beloved team.

Psst! Rothschilds, Bernstein, the parasites...your team took one hell of a beating.

Looking forward to hear the excuses. Oh I just found one already, they say the team was "knackered". lol!

The team was "knackered" because they are not good enough, they were chasing the entire tournament.

Why can't the Khazar media accept the obvious! Biggrin <Ale>

Oh mes amis! My Final Four is on: Espaa vs. Portugal and Italia vs. Germany

No one else had that Final Four around here. No one!
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:14 pm

You think Terry will be jailed for slagging off someone?

The reason we couldn't get close to Pirlo was because we were absolutely spent physically.

In the Rooney-Gerrard-Parker triangle that Pirlo operated in, Gerrard and Parker are both 30+ and have big fitness issues, as does Rooney. People will probably laugh at me for suggesting it but the best player England had at their disposal to track Pirlo was probably Milner.





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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by worms. on Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:31 pm

Disco Benny wrote:
I want Pirlos babys wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:
I want Pirlos babys wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:
COTR wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:Whilst I don't want to p*ss on the Pirlo love-in as he is and has been an incredible player, it cannot be emphasised enough how poorly England dealt with his threat. He was given acres of space to play in his deep role. England couldn't have done more to allow him to play his natural game. For a man with Hodgson's tactical acumen, it was bizarrely naive and at no time reactive as the game wore on (It also very much appeared that England could not match Italy's fitness levels from about 50 minutes onwards, which was astonishing really given English teams of the past have usually been extremely fit and able to do the "facking ranning" rather well)

Note that against a very industrious Croatian side, whose forwards worked far harder than Rooney/Carroll (Welbeck did a far better job of falling back and tracking Pirlo in the first half), Pirlo was fairly anonymous in the second half.

Germany will not make the same mistake off the ball that England did. I would be absolutely astonished if Pirlo gets to play with so much time on the ball against a much fitter, tactically astute German side. I imagine Schweini or Khedria might be pushed well up the pitch to do a man marking job on him. Germany's double pivot has rarely remained static this tournament, so this extra bit of dynamism will not be unusual.

As far as I can see: stop Pirlo and you stop Italy. Sounds utterly simple, yet the correlation between the impact of his injury in the 2010 group stages followed by his fluctuating influence in the Spain and Croatia games (where it was as simple as when Pirlo was given more touches of the ball = Italy were threatening, less touches = not so) is too clear to ignore.

His tactical acumen Shocked

England played in exactly the same manner throughout the entire tournament. Hodgson must be one of the lease adaptable managers to ever be involved in the game.

Sit back and pray Roy, sit back and pray

Of course, the Liverpool-based agendas continue.

His pragmatism is dividing, perhaps dated even. But he is clearly intelligent and astute, whether he chooses to act upon his observations or not. In this case, it is puzzling that a man so defensively pragmatic chose not to do something about Pirlo's time and space on the ball.

Equally puzzling/worrying was how poor England's offside trap was. But then again, that is the problem with playing Glenn Johnson across the backline.

And for the record, Cahill's injury / Rio's exclusion has only exposed what a terrible footballer Lescott is on the ball. Distribution is absolutely shocking.

Conversely, I feel John Terry has been brilliant this tournament. No, nothing to do with the media painting him out as a lionheart, the opposite infact: he has quietly gone about being a really top class CB throughout the summer. With an offside trap that actually worked, he'd have had to make less body blocks, but easily the most impressive English defender this tournament, and for me, one of the best in the whole competition.

Wast that the same Terry who played Ballotelli 5 yards onside?

Do you mean in the first half when Terry recovered to block?

You'll find that was Ashley Cole who played him onside Ale

It was blatantly Terry playing him onside,when Pirlo played the long pass over the top,Terry was on the right side of the pitch 3 yards behind the rest of the defense.

Trying to find a video link, but I'm pretty certain it wasn't Terry.

Eurosport seem to think it was Johnson:

BALOTELLI WASTES CHANCE! Balotelli is played onside by Johnson and is in acres of space 30 yards from goal but Terry gets back to make a crucial block.

Eitherway, I'm not sure what your point is, given Terry blocked Balotelli's shot anyway. The offside trap across the back 4 was terrible, and the main culprit was certainly not Terry......

Wrong.Skip to 1.17.Johnson is still half way up the pitch sprinting back,it was blatantly Terry playing him onside and if that would have been Di Natalie he would have scored.

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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:28 pm

Deluded F*ck wrote:You think Terry will be jailed for slagging off someone?

The reason we couldn't get close to Pirlo was because we were absolutely spent physically.

In the Rooney-Gerrard-Parker triangle that Pirlo operated in, Gerrard and Parker are both 30+ and have big fitness issues, as does Rooney. People will probably laugh at me for suggesting it but the best player England had at their disposal to track Pirlo was probably Milner.
I think I had read a stat somewhere on the previews before the game, that Italian players had run more miles on an average than the English. Which is very believable, the way Italy played in the Group stages.

I completely agree re Milner, actually thats why I thought Roy played him at the expense of Ox/Walcott. Milner hardly even came close to Pirlo. I am sure Germany will do their homework, and Ozil/Schweini will be man marking Pirlo off the ball.
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Fey on Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:36 pm

debaser wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:On the plus side, we would have got utterly destroyed by Germany.

Whilst the performance from the 47th minute onwards was somewhat shameful, the result wasnt.

I could have seen Germany hit 4 or 5 against us tonight.

As for Italy, they cannot expect to be that wasteful and go any further.

I thought Balotelli was crap again. With a half decent striker they would have won at a canter

At least you get to go back to sucking German cock without any guilt

Let that English-American-Hungarian-Mockney-Spursloving-wannabe-German go back to supporting Germany!

I did my best to support England.

And would go FAR in my support!

Bernd on the other hand.

Would not do this:




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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Sheffield gunner on Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:26 pm

Didn't get a chance to post after the match yesterday, but congratulations to the Italians. I've enjoyed watching them in this tournament, and have lots of close Italian friends who refrained from (too much) mockery last night and today, so I hope they can go on and reach the final at least.

England were very disappointing after the initial 20 minutes. I guess Hodgson has done some things right in terms of laying foundations, but there needs to be more ambition as we move into the qualifiers. I know the players available are crap, but they shouldn't be as limited in their philosophy as they were yesterday. All in all, it's hard to be too disappointed though when expectations were so low, and when we were so thoroughly out-classed on the day.

Slightly baffled to see some people saying that the England hype machine had returned. Maybe I just zone out when the most stupid pundits speak, but I hadn't seen or heard anything on those lines.

Also, one last well done to both Italy and England for the outcome and for providing a brief moment of happiness in the dull, vapid lives of our resident board village idiots (or whatever the online equivalent is). Reading back through the topic they clearly got a little over-stimulated by this rare moment of joy, hence the garbled, nonsensical ramblings (well, even more so than usual). It's quite endearing in a way.
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Pirlo on Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:04 pm

For the english guys, people always say how bad your media, and some of it is,

But so is anyone elses! Here's a compilation of the shit that Rai came out last night cheers

http://www.calciomercato.com/altre-notizie/telecronache-rai-altra-serata-da-dimenticare-111239

Sometimes it would be great if people 'called' these idiots out lol!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv2jqFd2-qI&feature=youtu.be
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by messiah on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:00 am

heard someone said england had a offside trapped that actually worked. england only had a player called of side once. dont think its a matter of it working, england just sat so deep all of the play was infront of them
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by Balls Grayson on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:14 am


King Kenny should hire whoever organised this recent tag-team of trolls. The execution might not be the greatest, but the relentlessness and efficiency is breathtaking.
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by the real white worm on Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:33 am

Balls Grayson wrote:
King Kenny should hire whoever organised this recent tag-team of trolls. The execution might not be the greatest, but the relentlessness and efficiency is breathtaking.

i don't understand, who are u talking about?

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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by worms. on Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:58 am

Balls Grayson wrote:
King Kenny should hire whoever organised this recent tag-team of trolls. The execution might not be the greatest, but the relentlessness and efficiency is breathtaking.

Shut up you deluded kenny worshipper.
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by the real white worm on Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:04 pm

Super Balanced wrote:
Balls Grayson wrote:
King Kenny should hire whoever organised this recent tag-team of trolls. The execution might not be the greatest, but the relentlessness and efficiency is breathtaking.

Shut up you deluded kenny worshipper.

why is he talking about kenny? isn't hodgson the england manager?

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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by 110% on Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:47 pm

Balls Grayson wrote:
King Kenny should hire whoever organised this recent tag-team of trolls. The execution might not be the greatest, but the relentlessness and efficiency is breathtaking.

lol!
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by the real white worm on Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:10 am

u know i was thinking that joe heart is actually an idiot for saying that he watched videos of all the italien players taking penalty bcoz all it ment is that the italian players changed which side they put their penalties lol!
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

Post by ERIK LAMELA on Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:11 am

Good day, worms.
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Re: EURO 2012 Quarter Finals

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