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Re: BVB 2013

Post by Kroos on Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:23 pm

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Re: BVB 2013

Post by Kroos on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:45 pm

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Re: BVB 2013

Post by Kroos on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:53 am

Schmelzer sings a new contract until 2016

right now every player has an long term contract, hopefully lewa and subotic to follow

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Re: BVB 2013

Post by 110% on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:17 am

Kroos wrote:Schmelzer sings a new contract until 2016

right now every player has an long term contract, hopefully lewa and subotic to follow

Just means they can ask for more money when they sell them
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Post by Kroos on Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:46 am

110% wrote:
Kroos wrote:Schmelzer sings a new contract until 2016

right now every player has an long term contract, hopefully lewa and subotic to follow

Just means they can ask for more money when they sell them


of course, thats good, but i think most will stay for another 2-3 years, and will then leave 1 year before the contract ends, and some will stay forever, who knows, depends on how the bvb develops, not just on the field, also in terms of salary

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Post by Kroos on Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:14 pm

Sven Bender the animal

http://vimeo.com/56248106
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Post by Kroos on Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:41 am

gündogan, the passing king

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Post by Kroos on Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:29 pm

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Post by Kroos on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:54 pm

new contracts for subotic (2016) and bender (2017)
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Re: BVB 2013

Post by Kroos on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:14 pm

Sahin back in Dortmund

they have now a nice collection of midfielders, well settled for the future

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Post by Allez les rouges on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:18 pm

Romford Pele wrote:Team Ale

I've adopted them as one of my favourites. Sorry Allez Wink

Sorry, only just saw this...

scratch I am not understanding zis at all tho – I am getting a not undeserved reputation as a Dortmund fan myself and will have to be on my best behaviour when Werder kick off the Rückrunde against them next weekend...
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Post by Allez les rouges on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:19 pm

Fade out wrote:Bild confirms that there was a 24m pound bid for Lewandowski before they signed Rvp.

Still reeling that Shinji went for only 17m while that Rapist cost 24m. Good debut, but seeing that Fergie has no midfield and defense, I fancy Dortmund's chances if they're drawn in United's group..

:scratchchortle:
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Post by Allez les rouges on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:20 pm

Fade out wrote:So sad they are in our group..

They could still go through. City still have weaknesses taht Dortmund could exploit..

CHORTLE
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Re: BVB 2013

Post by Jaime on Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:01 pm

Kroos wrote:Sahin back in Dortmund

they have now a nice collection of midfielders, well settled for the future


Sahin what a joke, couldn't even make it at liverpool competing with Jay Spearing! Bundesliga player of the year. Says it all really! lol!
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Post by Kroos on Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:20 pm

Jaime wrote:
Kroos wrote:Sahin back in Dortmund

they have now a nice collection of midfielders, well settled for the future


Sahin what a joke, couldn't even make it at liverpool competing with Jay Spearing! Bundesliga player of the year. Says it all really! lol!

you are just mad that you bought him instead of vidal Laughing

MOU lol!
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Post by Jaime on Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:36 pm

Kroos wrote:
Jaime wrote:
Kroos wrote:Sahin back in Dortmund

they have now a nice collection of midfielders, well settled for the future


Sahin what a joke, couldn't even make it at liverpool competing with Jay Spearing! Bundesliga player of the year. Says it all really! lol!

you are just mad that you bought him instead of vidal Laughing

MOU lol!

Who's Vidal? Wouldn't want him either whoever he is. Best midfielders in the world are made in Spain. They grown trees!
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Post by Kroos on Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:50 pm

Jaime wrote:
Kroos wrote:
Jaime wrote:
Kroos wrote:Sahin back in Dortmund

they have now a nice collection of midfielders, well settled for the future


Sahin what a joke, couldn't even make it at liverpool competing with Jay Spearing! Bundesliga player of the year. Says it all really! lol!

you are just mad that you bought him instead of vidal Laughing

MOU lol!

Who's Vidal? Wouldn't want him either whoever he is. Best midfielders in the world are made in Spain. They grown trees!

changes not the fact that you just have alonso in the team

vidal was a steal for juve, surely better than khedira, still annoys me that he hasn`t joined bayern
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Post by Kroos on Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:53 pm

this transfer gives dortmund a lot more variety, they can switch into a 4-3-3 formation, IF lewandowski leaves then götze could play the false 9, who knows what klopp is thinking, and of course the bvb bench is not bad either now

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Post by Jaime on Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:46 pm

Kroos wrote:
Jaime wrote:
Kroos wrote:
Jaime wrote:
Kroos wrote:Sahin back in Dortmund

they have now a nice collection of midfielders, well settled for the future


Sahin what a joke, couldn't even make it at liverpool competing with Jay Spearing! Bundesliga player of the year. Says it all really! lol!

you are just mad that you bought him instead of vidal Laughing

MOU lol!

Who's Vidal? Wouldn't want him either whoever he is. Best midfielders in the world are made in Spain. They grown trees!

changes not the fact that you just have alonso in the team

vidal was a steal for juve, surely better than khedira, still annoys me that he hasn`t joined bayern

Exactly!!!! It's why we're shit!!!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:21 pm

It'll be interesting to see how things will fare for Gündogan now. Will he play second fiddle to Nuri? That would be a shame because honestly, Dortmund have improved rather than gotten weaker ever since Sahin (and even Kagawa) left. Of course it strengthens their team and gives them more options, because he is a quality player, albeit a bit sensitive. Sahin should have never left Dortmund, he has only himself to blame.
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Post by Fey on Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:25 pm

Blutty, my 2nd favourite German, do you think the rise of BVB is indirectly responsible for the decline of Bremen. Cause the top is so small, and only a few can stand on it. Cause you were always so joyful about Dortmund being a topclub in Germany.

Think about this one for a while bitte.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:29 pm

No, our decline is our own fault as their rise is their own merit. We had the chance to truly establish ourselves at the top and blew it. But even if we had, Dortmund's rise could not have been prevented, as I always said - they were a sleeping giant. We'll most definitely be back though, the foundations for a better future have been laid.

Actually, there is a lot of space at the top, more so than in other leagues due to the history of our league. One club can only be so dominant, there is enough room for others to flourish, they just need to do so. Easier said than done, but far from impossible.
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Post by Fey on Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:14 pm

You think? Let's be honest. Nobody can touch Bayern in Germany, I wouldnt be suprised if Dortmund will fall back again. So for Werder to be succesfull again, you have to improve, Dortmund need to fallback again, not a single team of the pretenders(Leverkussen, Schalke, HSV etc) has to have an above average year and Bayern need to be shite. It can happen though, look at your English equivalent, Spurs, they are doing rather well this year with an average/decent squad, thanks to the fact that a load of clubs are shite this year.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:22 pm

Nobody can touch Bayern financially, that's true. But that may not even be necessary. Clubs like Dortmund or Schalke have reached a level financially that makes them comparable to top clubs from other leagues (e.g. Schalke's revenues of ~200 Million EUR last season (Deloitte) can roughly be compared to the revenues of the Milan clubs and it's not too far away from Chelsea and Arsenal either - BVB will get there too, likely overtake Schalke once they manage to repeatedly reach the knock-out stages on the CL). So while Bayern will continue to have an advantage, just like Man United has in England for instance, the other ones are strong and independent enough by now to continue to challenge Bayern on a regular basis. And they can keep their players and will be even more able to do so once financial fair play really kicks in.

Of course this makes it more difficult for Werder to return to the top. We also have and always had a financial disadvantage compared to other, richer regions in Germany. But money is just one factor. Despite this disadvantage, we always managed to be very competitive, as can be seen in the league's all time table where we're still #2 behind Bayern. Dortmund came back from the dead despite huge debts holding them back on the transfer market. They basically re-invented themselves and built on their own youth and young, promising players from elsewhere to come back again. A concept is much more important than money, that's why I totally disagree with your post in the other thread that a manager is not important. Good management (on all levels) makes the difference between success and failure, simple as. Werder have been blessed in this regard for decades and hence had a lot of success. HSV, for example, were not and hence have been punching below their weight for ages.

Good work will pay off in the long run and can never be replaced with money. With all the money Bayern have, they couldn't stop Dortmund from dominating the league and being unbeaten by them in all competitions for almost three years. Concept > money.

Werder will be back.
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Post by Fey on Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:19 pm

Blut, money runs this game. If Schalke gets 200 million in revenue, then Bayern will receive double of that. IE the gap wont close. Sure, Bayern wont be that good as this year all the time. But im pretty damn sure, they will still win 7-8 of the 10 leagues in the future. I agree with you that a concept is important, but not as much as money. Take Schaaf for example, decent coach, but is he a lesser coach then he was when he won the league? No, he just has lesser material to work with, hence I said 90% of the coaches in the game are as good as their material.
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Post by Kroos on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:06 pm

Fey wrote:You think? Let's be honest. Nobody can touch Bayern in Germany, I wouldnt be suprised if Dortmund will fall back again.

dortmund has the usual league slip after 2 very good years, no team in the world can hold such a high level for a long time, they will be back next season, for me both teams equally good, as you could see in the Allianz Arena


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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:02 pm

Fey wrote:Blut, money runs this game. If Schalke gets 200 million in revenue, then Bayern will receive double of that. IE the gap wont close. Sure, Bayern wont be that good as this year all the time. But im pretty damn sure, they will still win 7-8 of the 10 leagues in the future. I agree with you that a concept is important, but not as much as money. Take Schaaf for example, decent coach, but is he a lesser coach then he was when he won the league? No, he just has lesser material to work with, hence I said 90% of the coaches in the game are as good as their material.

According to Deloitte, Bayern' revenues were ~320 million last season while Schalke had 200 million. That's roughly the same gap as between Manchester United (~370 Million) and Arsenal (250 Million), the second highest rated EPL club. Dortmund's financial potential is higher than Schalke's even, especially if they continue to play the CL and reach the knock-out stages on a regular basis, something that actually should become easier in future due to them climbing up the UEFA coefficient ranks and avoiding to be seeded in pot 4 or 3 in future.

And the Bundesliga is actually far more competitive than the other big leagues already. More clubs won the league in the last decade than in any other major league. Manchester United's dominance in England is actually stronger than Bayern's in Germany, that is a fact.

Schaaf is not a lesser coach than he used to be when he won the league. But the league is a much stronger one now. So while Schaaf still is decent, he failed to evolve in all these years and hence is not a top coach anymore compared to the competition now. New coaches like Klopp, Tuchel et. al. have raised the bar considerably in the last few years, new tactical concepts have been implemented, the whole league is much better from the tactical standpoint nowadays, in a lot of ways cutting edge even, a stark contrast to the days when Schaaf won the league with Werder.

Yes, having good players is important, no doubt about it. But good players can be formed, can be nurtured, can be trained. There is a ton of raw, unpolished talent in Germany these days, young players who can be bought for reasonable money. Players just waiting to prove themselves, needing guidance. You don't have to spend big to create a competitive team. If anything, this is what Dortmund showed everyone.
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Post by messiah on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:59 pm

Pep will have a real job on his hand with this durtmunt team, so much talent all playing their respective roles perfectly in the team all built on a clear football philosophy. It is really a joy to watch

I think he will find it harder than besting Jose and Madrid no joke, even if he was still with barca it would have been his first real challenge in the cl since he has been in charge.

Would love klopp at barca at some point in the future.

Bubbly to proactive coaching
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:17 pm

I agree. People seem to believe that Pep just has to show up in Munich and he'll win the Bundesliga without leaving the team bus. That's seriously stupid and ignorant. Dortmund under Klopp are a very tough nut to crack and would give any team in any league a very hard time, as they proved in the CL this season, too.

Besides, Pep will need some time to adopt to the league, get to know his and the other teams and find a formula that works. He supposedly has been watching every Bayern match since August last year, but it's a whole different thing to actually manage a team and understand the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. It is a challenge, no matter what some seem to believe. The expectations are high and so is the pressure.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:50 pm

Ilkay Gündogan: Dortmunds wichtigster Spieler

Als der 1. FC Nürnberg das letzte Mal in Dortmund aufkreuzte, war Ilkay Gündogan noch weit davon entfernt, der Spieler zu sein, der er derzeit für Borussia Dortmund ist. Fast eineinhalb Jahre später gastiert der Club erneut beim BVB (20.15 Uhr im LIVE-TICKER). Gündogan hat seitdem eine beachtliche Entwicklung genommen - und ist trotz der Rückkehr von Nuri Sahin nicht mehr aus dem Spiel der Borussia wegzudenken.

Zu Jahresbeginn war Ilkay Gündogan plötzlich einsam. Durch den Weggang von Ivan Perisic hat der Nationalspieler nach Shinji Kagawa den nächsten Nachbarn verloren. Die Wohnungen der drei befanden sich im selben Haus, ständig hing man miteinander ab. Ob Robert Lewandowski auch in diesem Gebäude wohne, wurde Gündogan kürzlich gefragt. Nein, den vergraule er nicht, sagte Gündogan mit einem Schmunzeln.

Nun ist also nur noch Gündogan übrig. Es ist spekulativ, doch wäre die aktuelle Wohnsituation bereits Ende 2011 eingetreten, vielleicht hätte sie Gündogan in seiner damaligen Lage noch ein Stückchen weiter verunsichert. Damals, zwischen dem 11. und 14. Spieltag der vergangenen Saison, durchlebte der heute 22-Jährige "die bislang schwerste Zeit" seiner Karriere. "Als ich zwei Mal auf der Tribüne saß, habe ich mir schon meine Gedanken gemacht", sagt Gündogan über die Phase, in der die Fußstapfen von Vorgänger Nuri Sahin noch deutlich zu groß für ihn waren.

Gündogans grandioses Jahr 2012

Es ist mittlerweile beinahe schon eine Art Tradition, dass sich Neuzugänge in ihrem ersten Jahr beim BVB schwer tun. Die Umstellungen vor allem auf die defensivtaktischen Anforderungen, die Trainer Jürgen Klopp an seine Belegschaft stellt, um die nötige Balance im Dortmunder Gebilde nicht zu gefährden, haben auch schon anderen für eine gewisse Zeit Kopfzerbrechen bereitet.

Auch Gündogan grübelte. Ihm fiel es sichtlich schwer, die vakante Rolle des Taktgebers im Spiel der Borussia zu erfüllen. Die mit seinem Ballgeschiebe einhergehende Verschleppung des Tempos war Gift für Dortmunds Suche nach Struktur. Mats Hummels übernahm die spielerische Komponente in der Folge, Gündogan fand sich plötzlich nicht einmal mehr im 18er-Kader wieder.

Etwas mehr als ein Jahr ist seitdem vergangen. Sahin ist wieder zurück in Dortmund. Doch während sich die Öffentlichkeit an dessen Rückkehr oder dem kongenialen Duo Marco Reus und Mario Götze labt, ist die Explosion von Gündogans Form die eigentliche Sensation beim BVB. 2012 schoss er durch die Decke: Stammspieler und Doublesieger in Dortmund, EM-Teilnehmer für die deutsche Nationalmannschaft.

"Red' doch mal mehr mit uns!"

Diese Rasanz kam natürlich auch für ihn überraschend. Doch Gündogan war schon immer klar genug im Kopf, um positive wie negative Ausschläge in seiner sportlichen Laufbahn sachlich einzuordnen. Was beeindruckt: Er braucht dazu keine aufmunternde Entourage aus Freunden oder Schulterklopfern, Gündogans höchstes Gericht ist er selbst.

"Ich mache das mit mir selbst aus. Ich mag es nicht, über solche Gefühle und Gedanken zu reden, auch über die positiven nicht. Ich bin da eher introvertiert und muss das nicht loswerden, auch nicht in der Familie. Meine Familie sagt immer: Red' doch mal mehr mit uns! Ruf' uns doch mal an! Ich fresse das lieber in mich hinein", gibt er zu.

Bei der Arbeit geht das nur bedingt, Gündogan und der Coach standen in ständigem Austausch. So sehr, dass ihn Gündogan bereits als "Vaterfigur" bezeichnete. "Jürgen Klopp hat mir damit geholfen, als er mich aus dem Kader genommen hat und ich auf der Tribüne saß, das habe ich nicht als negativ empfunden. Es war gut, dass der Druck mal weg war. Deswegen waren mir die Gespräche mit dem Trainer wichtig. Ich kann mich erinnern, dass wir auch das eine oder andere Gespräch geführt haben, wo ich zielgerichtet auf den Trainer zugegangen bin. Deshalb habe ich mein Spiel im vergangenen Jahr enorm entwickelt."

Gündogan, der Systemfresser

Der Begriff "enorm" ist dabei fast noch untertrieben. Gündogan hat nun "unser System gefressen", wie Klopp sagt. Er meint damit in erster Linie den Dreiklang aus Balleroberung in der Defensive, zügiges Umschaltverhalten auf Offensive und der nötigen Präsenz, der es auf dieser Position bedarf.

Gündogan hat die Umstellung auf Dortmunds Philosophie gepackt und zehrt im Bewusstsein dessen seitdem von einer ordentlichen Menge Selbstvertrauen und Sicherheit in seinen Aktionen. Tempovariationen, Spielverlagerungen, Schnittstellenpässe - Gündogan ist mittlerweile Dortmunds wichtigster Spieler.

Das geht auch aus der Statistik hervor: Bei vier von neun Bundesligapartien, die die Borussia in dieser Saison nicht gewann, fehlte Gündogan (2:3 gegen Hamburg, 1:1 gegen Hannover, 1:2 gegen Schalke, 1:1 gegen Düsseldorf). Und damit fehlte einer, der das Spiel ordnen und beruhigen kann.

Offensiver dank Sahin-Rückkehr?

Bereits im Vorjahr war der Aufschrei groß, als Gündogan beim Stande von 2:0 gegen den VfB Stuttgart das Feld verließ, zwölf Minuten später hatte sich der bis dato souverän agierende BVB drei Gegentore gefangen.

"Wir wussten, dass wir einen Rohdiamanten bekommen. Er hat einen Riesenschritt gemacht, seitdem er bei uns ist. Er ist ein ganz wichtiger Spieler, unsere Schaltzentrale. Seine Balleroberung ist richtig gut, sein Passspiel toll. Illy kann unterschiedlichste Positionen spielen. Ich könnte noch eine halbe Stunde über ihn weiter reden", freut sich Klopp.

Interessant ist in der aktuellen Phase besonders Klopps Aussage hinsichtlich Gündogans Variabilität. Das Dortmunder Trainerteam beschäftigt sich derzeit mit den positionsbezogenen Möglichkeiten, die der Sahin-Transfer für die anderen Sechser eröffnet. Gerade Moritz Leitner und Gündogan, die von ihrem Spielernaturell her eher den Weg in die gegnerische Hälfte suchen, können dank Sahin bei Bedarf nun für offensivere Positionen freigemacht werden.

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Bei einigen Auswechslungen schob Klopp Gündogan bereits für ein paar Minuten auf die Zehnerposition vor, auch im Winter-Trainingslager testete er den 22-Jährigen auf diesem Gebiet und scheint nicht abgeneigt, diese Karte öfter zu spielen - auch, um Sahins Integration weiter voranzutreiben, ohne dafür großartig umbauen oder das System auf ein 4-3-3 abändern zu müssen.

Es müsste jedoch einiges passieren, dass Klopp in naher Zukunft freiwillig auf Gündogan als Mann vor der Abwehr verzichtet. Gündogans Anwesenheit ist für die Borussia so wichtig geworden, dass Klopp gar nicht auf ihn verzichten kann. Er hat Sven Bender den Titel des Unverzichtbaren streitig gemacht, den dieser in den Vorjahren von Klopp übergestülpt bekam. Für Sahin werden andere weichen müssen.

Gündogans Entwicklung hat nicht nur Bundestrainer Joachim Löw Rechnung getragen, indem er ihn seit der EM zu jedem Länderspiel eingeladen hat. Auch mit Vereinen aus England und Italien wurde er bereits in Verbindung gebracht, die drei großen Istanbuler Klubs sollen ebenfalls schon einmal angerufen haben.

Vertrag bis 2015

Dortmund kann aber vorerst beruhigt bleiben, denn auch wenn Gündogan laut eigener Aussage davon träumt, einmal in Spanien oder England zu kicken, läuft sein Vertrag noch bis 2015. Angesprochen auf die zahlreichen Vertragsverlängerungen der Kollegen sagt er: "Wir haben nicht so die Eile, aber es gibt nichts, was dagegen spricht."

Und in dieser langen Zeit bestünde dann ja auch die Möglichkeit, dass sich wieder der eine oder andere Nachbar aus dem Mannschaftskreis dazu gesellt.

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/1301/Artikel/ilkay-guendogan-borussia-dortmund-bvb-wichtigster-spieler-nuri-sahin-rueckkehr-sechser-achter-zehner-juergen-klopp.html

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Good article, completely agree. As I wrote earlier, it would be a pity if Gündogan lost his starting place to Sahin, because Dortmund have actually improved with him pulling the strings in midfield. But it'll probably mean that he will moved further up the pitch, and Sahin playing behind him.

Ilkay is the legitimate successor of Schweinsteiger and I wouldn't be surprised if he surpassed him, as he is an even better passer, one of the very best I know.

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