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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by fcb on Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:26 pm

Apparently the Javi Martinez deal is made tougher by the fact that it's 40m in transfer fees plus about 10m in taxes that the buying club would have to shell out.

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by worms rises on Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:29 pm

He's not worth 40 Mil,no way.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Jaime on Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:50 pm

fcb wrote:Apparently the Javi Martinez deal is made tougher by the fact that it's 40m in transfer fees plus about 10m in taxes that the buying club would have to shell out.

If we hadn't spent 30m on a part-time left back, if we hadn't spent 65m on a pile of complete and utter sh!t, if we weren't paying our manager 12m per season then maybe I could understand a fiscal argument but there is no way that the 10m for IVA makes any difference whatsoever in the grand scheme of things.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by messiah on Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:57 pm

saw that 50m too, we are out for sure, he is good but not 50m euros good. especially with rosell in charge, if it were laporta we would pay 55
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Post by Jaime on Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:15 pm

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Cristiano on Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:53 pm

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by King Modric on Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:16 pm


We even got €3.5M of ca$$$$$h if the reports are to believed! cheers

Mind you, if the prices being reported in the media for Modric are to be believed (€45M), IMO we'd be better off going in for Javi Martinez. In addition to his normal play, his ability to drop into CB should be of value to us, as it gives us other options if Ramos or Pepe is injured since Varane is still green, Albiol is unreliable (IMO) and Carvalho past it.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Super Progress on Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:24 pm

cheers

Money
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Super Progress on Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:47 pm


Hugo Sanchez: I prefer Real Madrid's direct style to Barcelona's passing game

The former Blancos striker has a lot of admiration for the way Jose Mourinho's men play, and hopes that a Spaniard will win the Fifa Ballon d'Or

Hugo Sanchez has revealed that he prefers Real Madrid's direct style to Barcelona's tiki-taka.

The former attacker won five Liga titles during his spell at the Santiago Bernabeu from 1985 to 1992, and feels the current squad could repeat that feat under the guidance of Jose Mourinho.

"I personally prefer Real Madrid's playing style to Barcelona's style. I like the directness and explosiveness," Hugo Sanchez stated to Radio Marca.

"It's a style that has always served Madrid well. If we conceded once, we scored three ourselves. If they scored twice, we netted five times.

"You have to be aggressive and play at high pace with vertical passes. And obviously, you have to be strong in defence as well.

"Mourinho has made them a perfectly balanced team. I am convinced that they can win three or four consecutive titles with Mourinho in charge. They might even bring back the golden days."

The Mexican coach then had his say on the Fifa Ballon d'Or and made it clear that he wants a Spanish player to win it.

"I would love it if a Spaniard won it, but both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi deserve it, too. In 2010, Xavi was the one who deserved it, but things are more equal now. It would be wonderful if [Iker] Casillas won it."
I think we have ourselves a bit of a progressive. Although I don't like his careless remark about just letting goals but he did say that defence is of high importance.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Jaime on Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:59 pm

King Pipita wrote:

We even got €3.5M of ca$$$$$h if the reports are to believed! cheers

Mind you, if the prices being reported in the media for Modric are to be believed (€45M), IMO we'd be better off going in for Javi Martinez. In addition to his normal play, his ability to drop into CB should be of value to us, as it gives us other options if Ramos or Pepe is injured since Varane is still green, Albiol is unreliable (IMO) and Carvalho past it.

Yeah it sounds like PSG is trying to outbid us for Modric. I like Modric a lot but I've been wanting Javi Martinez for ages. Javi Martinez is worth the investment IMO given his age.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by King Modric on Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:11 pm

Super Progress 2012 wrote:

Hugo Sanchez: I prefer Real Madrid's direct style to Barcelona's passing game

The former Blancos striker has a lot of admiration for the way Jose Mourinho's men play, and hopes that a Spaniard will win the Fifa Ballon d'Or

Hugo Sanchez has revealed that he prefers Real Madrid's direct style to Barcelona's tiki-taka.

The former attacker won five Liga titles during his spell at the Santiago Bernabeu from 1985 to 1992, and feels the current squad could repeat that feat under the guidance of Jose Mourinho.

"I personally prefer Real Madrid's playing style to Barcelona's style. I like the directness and explosiveness," Hugo Sanchez stated to Radio Marca.

"It's a style that has always served Madrid well. If we conceded once, we scored three ourselves. If they scored twice, we netted five times.

"You have to be aggressive and play at high pace with vertical passes. And obviously, you have to be strong in defence as well.

"Mourinho has made them a perfectly balanced team. I am convinced that they can win three or four consecutive titles with Mourinho in charge. They might even bring back the golden days."

The Mexican coach then had his say on the Fifa Ballon d'Or and made it clear that he wants a Spanish player to win it.

"I would love it if a Spaniard won it, but both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi deserve it, too. In 2010, Xavi was the one who deserved it, but things are more equal now. It would be wonderful if [Iker] Casillas won it."
I think we have ourselves a bit of a progressive. Although I don't like his careless remark about just letting goals but he did say that defence is of high importance.

How is this an endorsement of PROGRESS? scratch

It seems the most characteristic player in a progressive team is a lumbering DM who can only pass the ball sideways.
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Post by Jaime on Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:16 am

Few odds and ends here...

*Marca reporting that the Modric deal will be finalised for 35m euro. The main discrepancy the clubs are still haggling over are the incentive based fees. Tottenham asking for 7m while Madrid are trying to max out at 5m. 5 year deal for Modric, 5m euro net per season.

*Supposedly Mourinho wants a squad of 22!!!! bounce The discards are Kaka, Sahin, Carvalho, Lass, and Gago. Lass may yet stay as the backup right back if we don't end up signing anyone. Grr

*Jose is back in town. Apparently there is a face-to-face with Kaka set for tomorrow where he will ask the brasilian to please f*ck off. Biggrin

*Higuain already been back in Madrid working out for a week prior to the official start of training on Monday. ok

*Additional friendly has now been scheduled to kick off the preseason fixture list against one of the legendary clubs in Spain fallen on hard times - Oviedo!

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Cristiano on Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:34 am

Jaime wrote:Few odds and ends here...

*Marca reporting that the Modric deal will be finalised for 35m euro. The main discrepancy the clubs are still haggling over are the incentive based fees. Tottenham asking for 7m while Madrid are trying to max out at 5m. 5 year deal for Modric, 5m euro net per season.

*Supposedly Mourinho wants a squad of 22!!!! bounce The discards are Kaka, Sahin, Carvalho, Lass, and Gago. Lass may yet stay as the backup right back if we don't end up signing anyone. Grr

*Jose is back in town. Apparently there is a face-to-face with Kaka set for tomorrow where he will ask the brasilian to please f*ck off. Biggrin

*Higuain already been back in Madrid working out for a week prior to the official start of training on Monday. ok

*Additional friendly has now been scheduled to kick off the preseason fixture list against one of the legendary clubs in Spain fallen on hard times - Oviedo!


lol!
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:38 am

Can Jose also refuse to give Sahin a squad no. or something?
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Isco Benny on Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:47 am

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Can Jose also refuse to give Sahin a squad no. or something?

Forget about Sahin. He doesn't want to join the mighty Lillywhites, we don't want a player coming over feeling like the cast off in a swap deal.

Let's have Madrid pay us the 35million euros+ which can then go straight into tying up a deal for Moutinho, who we KNOW wants to work for AVB.

Modric continues playing for a WHITEBLOOD club, we get paid, Moutinho comes, everyone goes home happy Ale

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Super Progress on Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:44 pm

Disco Benny wrote:
Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Can Jose also refuse to give Sahin a squad no. or something?

Forget about Sahin. He doesn't want to join the mighty Lillywhites, we don't want a player coming over feeling like the cast off in a swap deal.

Let's have Madrid pay us the 35million euros+ which can then go straight into tying up a deal for Moutinho, who we KNOW wants to work for AVB.

Modric continues playing for a WHITEBLOOD club, we get paid, Moutinho comes, everyone goes home happy Ale

Personally I wouldn't mind Sahin going to Tottenham since we can get a cheaper deal plus I think going to England and certainly Tottenham will help him. Alonso+Modric have learned a lot from their experience and are now much more complete players.
For Tottenham though it makes more sense to go for Moutinho. He is already developed and if he can deliver the same level that he produced at the Euro's then Tottenham could make a great deal. What are the numbers being touted for Moutinho?
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by ERIK LAMELA on Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:48 pm

€35M + Sahin on LOAN + Spurs sign Joe Allen and he spends a year developing as a squad player because we get priced out of a move for Moutinho.
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Post by Super Progress on Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:12 pm

Mourinho is a genius, claims former philosophy teacher

The coach's old teacher believes criticism targeted at his compatriot is unfounded, explaining that the 49-year-old's innovative methods make him a class above the rest

Real Madrid coach Jose Mourinho is a "genius", according to his former philosophy teacher, Manuel Sergio, who described his one-time student as the best trainer in the game.

At the age of 49, the Portuguese has become one of the most successful coaches in the history of football, having won one Uefa Cup, two Premier League, Serie A and Champions League titles and one Liga crown, among other trophies.

However, he has often come under criticism for his mind games in the build-up to matches, but Sergio explained that he helped the former Chelsea and Inter boss to understand that the game was more than simply two teams on a pitch.

"Mourinho wanted to understand that football was not only a physical activity, but that there were many other things, that it was a human activity," Sergio told AS.

"To know about football he needed to know a lot more about the human being, not only about what happens on the pitch. He understood that he needed to know what is behind football in order to be successful.

"He knows that leading is guiding, but with values. He prepares his players not only technically, but also mentally, so that they know what to do on the field.

"It is obvious that a genius like him will be criticised and that people have a hard time to get along with him because he goes beyond football and he is above all coaches.

"His Porto side played in two or three different ways, for example. It is hard to understand geniuses."

Mourinho has often been compared with Athletic Bilbao boss Marcelo Bielsa and his Blancos predecessor Manuel Pellegrini, but Sergio rated his compatriot much higher than the South American duo.

"Mourinho is much more of a leader than those two," Sergio added. "Bielsa and Pellegrini are good coaches, but Mourinho is a genius.

"Those two are typical football coaches."

Couldn't agree more. Don't get why anybody is comparing Bielsa and Pellegrini with Mourinho. Both of them are losers although entertaining losers.

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by worms rises on Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:02 pm

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOURINHO WIN TROPHIES WITH THE BUDGET BIELSA HAS WORKED WITH.

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by stinger on Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:47 pm

Super Progress 2012 wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:
Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Can Jose also refuse to give Sahin a squad no. or something?

Forget about Sahin. He doesn't want to join the mighty Lillywhites, we don't want a player coming over feeling like the cast off in a swap deal.

Let's have Madrid pay us the 35million euros+ which can then go straight into tying up a deal for Moutinho, who we KNOW wants to work for AVB.

Modric continues playing for a WHITEBLOOD club, we get paid, Moutinho comes, everyone goes home happy Ale

Personally I wouldn't mind Sahin going to Tottenham since we can get a cheaper deal plus I think going to England and certainly Tottenham will help him. Alonso+Modric have learned a lot from their experience and are now much more complete players.
For Tottenham though it makes more sense to go for Moutinho. He is already developed and if he can deliver the same level that he produced at the Euro's then Tottenham could make a great deal. What are the numbers being touted for Moutinho?
20m euros at least, that's why from Spurs perspective it would have much more sense to get Sahin, if he could be persuaded to join. Much cheaper this scenario is and I am not sure if there's any difference in class between them.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:18 pm

I'm willing to wait until the last day of the window to get Sahin if needs be.

Because the money saved can be invested in other areas of the squad, namely another striker and GK.
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Post by Jaime on Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:36 am

VDV and his agent also swore up and down that he was not interested in Spurs and they joined. If Sahin is really not in the plans he is not going to want to spend another year like last year.
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Post by Jaime on Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:47 am

Jese ended up top scorer and MVP of the U19 euro. This kid can be a great player if he continues to work and gets a chance. Ale
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Post by Jaime on Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:40 pm

Preseason is under way!!!!!







The group that completed the first session this morning included Adán, Varane, Lass, Sahin, Granero, Kaká, Di María, Callejón, Higuaín, and Gago from the first team plus Jesús, Morata, Iván, Álex, Denis, Nacho, Juanfran, Mosquera, Casado, Lucas, Pacheco, Ríos and Mateos from Castilla. Ricardo Carvalho has been given permission to be absent to sort out his future as he is not in the plans for the 2012/13 season. It was originally thought Gago would not report either but in the end he turned up for his medical revision and the training session so who knows what that means.

The full preseason programme is as follows:

Día 16: Reconocimientos médicos y doble sesión de entrenamiento en Valdebebas.
Día 24: Amistoso Oviedo-Real Madrid (aún por confirmar)
Día 27: Amistoso Benfica-Real Madrid (en Lisboa)
Día 28: Viaje a Estados Unidos (hasta el día 12 de agosto)
Día 2 de agosto: Amistoso L.A.Galaxy-Real Madrid
Día 5 de agosto: Amistoso Santos Laguna-Real Madrid
Día 8 de agosto: Amistoso Milan-Real Madrid
Día 11 de agosto: Amistoso Celtic Glasgow-Real Madrid
Día 19 de agosto: Liga, 1ª jornada: Real Madrid-Valencia
Día 23 de agosto: Supercopa (ida): Barcelona-Real Madrid
Día 26 de agosto: Liga, 2ª jornada: Getafe-Real Madrid
Día 30 de agosto: Supercopa (vuelta): Real Madrid-Barcelona

Still a bit odd that the Super Copa will be played after the start of the league season but whatever.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by ERIK LAMELA on Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:54 pm

Very professional behaviour by Gago. He is welcome at Tottenham. We need two Argies.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by messiah on Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:39 pm


Jesé-Jeséf-Jeséfe-Jesafe-Jetafe-Getafe

too funny
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Post by fcb on Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:58 pm

That's like 2 years old, but still, good attention to detail by SPORT - showing that Messi likes to handball Wink
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Post by Jaime on Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:23 pm

messiah wrote:
Jesé-Jeséf-Jeséfe-Jesafe-Jetafe-Getafe

too funny

It's a bit unfair considering a lot of our canteranos have gone on to much bigger and better things than Getafe but of course it's not humourous to show Mata posing with the Champions League trophy. Biggrin

My guess is Jese won't get a chance here but he will probably go on and be very successful at a big club in England.
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Post by Super Progress on Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:38 pm

He performed well at a U-19 Euro. Let's not make the kid bigger than he is. He should be loaned out and then he can get tested for real against players above his age and quality.
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Post by Jaime on Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:49 pm

Super Progress 2012 wrote:He performed well at a U-19 Euro. Let's not make the kid bigger than he is. He should be loaned out and then he can get tested for real against players above his age and quality.

It's more than what Varane had accomplished when we bought him. Ale

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