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Re: Bundesliga 2013

Post by Kroos on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:54 pm

bluenine wrote:Guys, how do you guys rate Kuzmanovic of Stuttgart? He is likely to become an Inter player today.

I remember him as a kid at Fiorentina, he look like a talented CM... but know very little of how he has developed at Stuttgart in the last 4 years... what kind of a player has he become, what are his strengths, issues... I hear he has not been playing this season due to issues with his club, anything we should be concerned about? any info will be useful.

good night if this is the new INTER LEVEL

squad player at best
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Re: Bundesliga 2013

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:09 pm

110% wrote:
Strange that his value in transfermarkt is 5.5 million but Inter seem to have got him for 1 million
http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/zdravko-kuzmanovic/profil/spieler_25441.html

His contract ends in June 2013. Market value does not necessarily equal transfer fee.


@bluenine
He has pretty much flopped in Stuttgart considering that they paid €8m for him, which is quite a bit of money for a club like Stuttgart, and aren't too concerned about losing him for a pittance now.

Inter could learn a thing or two from Juventus when it comes to scouting the Bundesliga. Actually, all of the other Serie A powerhouses could.


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Re: Bundesliga 2013

Post by abundance on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:16 pm

Kroos wrote:
good night if this is the new INTER LEVEL
hehe.
Good night?
It's already the darkest hour here.

Kroos wrote:
squad player at best
It's not a problem, we almost don't have a squad in midfield.

Seriously, I didn't think he was bad when he was at Fiorentina... but surely it's not comforting to ear that he hasn't done jack shit since leaving.
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Re: Bundesliga 2013

Post by bluenine on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:36 pm

110% wrote:
bluenine wrote:Guys, how do you guys rate Kuzmanovic of Stuttgart? He is likely to become an Inter player today.

I remember him as a kid at Fiorentina, he look like a talented CM... but know very little of how he has developed at Stuttgart in the last 4 years... what kind of a player has he become, what are his strengths, issues... I hear he has not been playing this season due to issues with his club, anything we should be concerned about? any info will be useful.

Strange that his value in transfermarkt is 5.5 million but Inter seem to have got him for 1 million
http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/zdravko-kuzmanovic/profil/spieler_25441.html

I believe thats coz he has 6 months left on his contract, and doesn't get along with the management.

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Re: Bundesliga 2013

Post by bluenine on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:38 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:
@bluenine
He has pretty much flopped in Stuttgart considering that they paid €8m for him, which is quite a bit of money for a club like Stuttgart, and aren't too concerned about losing him for a pittance now.

Inter could learn a thing or two from Juventus when it comes to scouting the Bundesliga. Actually, all of the other Serie A powerhouses could.

Thats sad to hear, though I briefly spoke with a stuttgart fan earlier today who held him in high regard... apparently Kuz was great 2 years ago, but then became inconsistent and fat.

Hmmm... maybe we can put him on the "Guarin diet", he used to be quite a talent in Fiorentina...
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:09 am

Well for €1m, the risk is rather low on this transfer, provided that you don't pay him silly wages, of course. Who knows, maybe he just needs a new environment and a kick in the arse. Wouldn't be the first player.
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Post by Ä on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:50 am

good interview with German / Swansea goalie Tremmel

about the EPL, the Bundesliga...

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/gerhard-tremmel-swansea-torwart-ueber-bundesliga-und-premier-league-a-880553.html
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Post by Isco Benny on Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:30 am

Came across this strange picture on the internet today:



after further research it appears it was Hamburg fans greeting Celtic in a European game back in 2009.

I had never heard or been aware of it at the time.

Can any Jarmans shed any light on why Hamburg have ties to Rangers?
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:34 am

Good win vs. Hannover yesterday, first convincing game on both ends of the pitch after God knows how long. Deserved and very much needed three points, but far from being any kind of compensation for last week's disaster vs. the scum.

Die Nummer vier im Norden sind jetzt wir... Rolling Eyes
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:46 am

It's one of those "Fanfreundschaft" things that are typical for the Bundesliga and have been going on for decades. There are even friendships between certain Bundesliga clubs.

In the 1970s, Rangers played a friendly vs. Hamburg and the fans apparently got along with each other well. Then Hamburg fans went to Scotland and we're impressed by the atmosphere at the old Ibrox. They founded a Rangers fan club afterwards, the oldest outside of Scotland. It's now more or less an official friendship between both clubs.

St. Pauli, HSV's neighbour and fierce rival, are friends with Celtic.
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Post by Pierre Littbarski on Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:32 am

Augsburg have signed Somen Tchoyi Blush
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Re: Bundesliga 2013

Post by ERIK LAMELA on Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:18 pm

Hoffenheim 2-1 up at HT.

GOMES cheers
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Post by Kroos on Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:13 pm

VOLLAND cheers

this guy needs a bigger club for next season
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Post by Kroos on Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:55 pm

leverkusen-dortmund

0:2
2:2
2:3

awesome game
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Post by Isco Benny on Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:03 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:It's one of those "Fanfreundschaft" things that are typical for the Bundesliga and have been going on for decades. There are even friendships between certain Bundesliga clubs.

In the 1970s, Rangers played a friendly vs. Hamburg and the fans apparently got along with each other well. Then Hamburg fans went to Scotland and we're impressed by the atmosphere at the old Ibrox. They founded a Rangers fan club afterwards, the oldest outside of Scotland. It's now more or less an official friendship between both clubs.

St. Pauli, HSV's neighbour and fierce rival, are friends with Celtic.

Ta Ale

Dortmund looked good today.

Always interesting with two benders involved. #puntalk
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:54 pm

Match could have gone either way. Just shows how strong Leverkusen is this year, and how the quality of the league has improved. It's far from being just a two horse race. Hope Leverkusen can keep their team together this summer, they'll be a handful in the CL.

Excellent match, worthy of the "Spitzenspiel" title.
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Post by Kroos on Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:04 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Match could have gone either way. Just shows how strong Leverkusen is this year, and how the quality of the league has improved. It's far from being just a two horse race. Hope Leverkusen can keep their team together this summer, they'll be a handful in the CL.

Excellent match, worthy of the "Spitzenspiel" title.

even if they lose some players

this spanish guy, castro

there is plenty of new talent in die Bundesliga

Volland
the two frankfurt fullbacks
rode

the bayern amateurs (can,.....) and a lot more me thinks

all would fit very well into some top teams (kusen, bvb, schalke)

but of course, it would be important to keep the players, nothing can beat a grown team
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:36 am

Leverkusen do really well in securing promising German talent early and integrating them into their team. And unlike Werder, their domestic scouting is much better.

Leverkusen used to have the best scouting networking in South America, Brazil in particular, but once the prices there began to rise to ridiculous levels (while the average quality actually declined), their focus shifted back to Europe again, especially to the fatherland. Their own academy isn't too shabby either.

Well run club that does everything right what the other 'plastic' one further up North, Wolfsburg, does not.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:21 am

Petersen's goal vs. Hannover was voted goal of the week by Sky:

http://www.spox.com/de/video/videoplayer.html?vID/19loafc9dbm0e1rf6msns2iug7/chID/D3CEB302204556A4E0440021281A8A86/pID/1rh6z94nk4vh41w3qaj4q8oei4/partnerID/13723/index/0

Maybe the kid finally fulfills his potential. Brilliant dribble and assist by Elia btw.

Awesome chip by Reus, his consistency of brilliance still amazes me. For me, Germany's star player these days, and that's saying a lot. Nice and clever assist by Kießling, too. Maybe we all underrated his football skills, he seems to be a much more mature player these days and definitely deserves a call-up by Löw. Two great goals in the best match of the week.

Bastos start for Schalke couldn't have been better. Unfortunately for him and the Orcs, Schalke always manage to fuck up somehow, even when playing the bottom of the league club Fürth.


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Post by Pierre Littbarski on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:57 pm

Have to say - lovely goals from bayern at the weekend.

Where are those old threads where some mocked me for saying that kroos was going to be much better than Ozil ?

Coffee
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:49 am

Is he? Can't agree with that. They are different players with different strengths and weaknesses anyway. Kroos is just as talented as Özil is, but his role is different to Özil's.

I expect Kroos to become the most important Bayern player under Guardiola. In the long run, he may become Germany's Xavi, he is the closest player we have to him. Özil is more of an Iniesta type of player.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:34 pm

Schalke in 'mega-crisis' with Jens Keller's sartorial misadventures

Events at Schalke on Saturday took such a dramatic turn for the worse that a supernatural explanation cannot be ruled out

German football has a long and distinguished tradition of "lucky garments", stretching from Peter Neururer's Mickey Mouse ties to Udo Lattek's famous blue jumper at Köln in 1987-88. But is there also a lesser well-known, much darker reverse to that superstition, a curse of an unlucky jumper, maybe? Yes, it seems far-fetched. But events at Schalke 04 on Saturday took such a dramatic turn for the worse in the last couple of minutes that a supernatural explanation cannot be ruled out.

Consider the evidence. The Royal Blues were drawing 1-1 with the bottom side Greuther Fürth when new recruit Raffael hit the inside of the post with three minutes to go. The ball bounced back into play. Five minutes later, Nikola Djurdic scored an unlikely winner for the visitors with a stooping header, from an offside position. Cue mass uproar and jeering in the "poisonous atmosphere" (taz) of the Veltins-Arena. "You are destroying [our] mythical club," read one banner. "The whole shop is about to explode," wrote WAZ. There's certainly a danger that Schalke's season will die on its knees. After an auspicious beginning, the Champions League is seven points away and Galatasaray will probably knock them out in the last 16, too. They have only won one of the last nine Bundesliga games.

The next day, "Keller out" banners were spotted near the training ground. Four games in, the interim coach, Jens Keller, is already perceived as out of his depth. There are parallels with Rafael Benítez's situation at Chelsea. Most neutrals are convinced that Keller, 42, knows his stuff but the supporters simply do not believe in him as a leadership figure. The former Under-23 coach at S04 lacks charisma and gravitas. What's worse, he doesn't seem to get lucky. And that's where the jumper hoodoo might come in. The former VfB midfielder took over from Christian Gross as caretaker of Stuttgart in October 2010. At the presentation, he wore a chequered brown and beige number that screamed loads of things – retirement home, medieval court jester, free jazz – except football manager. Keller never recovered from that false start and was replaced by Bruno Labbadia after two months of bad results.

Keller didn't wear said top again when the Schalke sporting director, Horst Heldt, surprisingly picked him to succeed Huub Stevens before Christmas. But somewhere, at the back of a wardrobe, and at the back of people's minds, that jumper must still be exerting a destructive influence. It might just be the perception that Keller is not quite cut out for the job but it is so strong that it affects reality. "He has come without any credit," wrote Süddeutsche Zeitung in an op-ed piece about Schalke's "mega-crisis". Keller is aware of his PR problem, too. "The team is intact but there's nothing I can do against the public's scepticism," he said.

"Embarrassing, a catastrophe," Heldt said about the listless performance against the weakest team in the top flight. But should he have known better? Firing Stevens, the iconic manager, had been a necessary evil, his gruff man-management had antagonised too many players. There's been no visible upturn since his departure, however, on the contrary. Schalke are unrecognisable from the side that dominated Arsenal at the Emirates in October.

Unless they start playing with a modicum of composure again very quickly, it will soon get to the stage that Keller will have to go as well but that move would severely undermine Heldt's own position. He needs Keller to succeed, in some shape or form, before he can embark on identifying a long-term successor. In the meantime, though, the Bundesliga's most self-destructive club is teetering on insurgency.

Schalke supporters made a point of cheering old boy Gerald Asamoah on his return to the Veltins-Arena with Fürth while their own players were booed. "You can't work here," said an angry Jermaine Jones. "There's always been drama in the six years I've been here, under any coach. It's natural that the team are low on confidence." A trip to the Allianz Arena is unlikely to improve the mood significantly before the Galatasaray match. The only good news after the latest bout of self-inflicted damage is that Schalke look well poised to defend at least one title this season – that of Meister der Schmerzen, champions of pain.

Talking points

• Life in the nether regions of the table cannot be too funny, especially if you are the vanity project of a billionaire. But the people at 16th-placed Hoffenheim obviously have a sense of humour: they demoted hapless keeper Tim Wiese to the stand "for his own protection" (sporting director Andreas Müller) and replaced him with Heurelho Gomes in midweek. The crowd's reaction in the Rhein-Neckar-Arena on Saturday was a bit more sinister, however. They cheered his every move as if to say that anyone – even Gomes – was better than Wiese between the sticks. Gomes didn't cover himself in glory before Max Kruse's opener after only four minutes but was happy to see Kevin Volland strike twice at the other end to secure an important 2-1 win over Freiburg.

• The battle of the Benders (Lars v Sven) in the BayArena saw a masterclass from Robert Lewandowski. The Polish international set up Marco Reus's goal with a perfect reverse pass, won two penalties – Blaszczykowski converted one and missed one, then scored the third to kill off Leverkusen's spirited fightback in the second half. The game was an excellent advert for the league. The champions are back in second spot following this win. "We are very proud, Leverkusen are incredibly strong," said Jürgen Klopp.

• Dortmund, one or two defensive wobbles notwithstanding, are in championship-winning form. It's come a little too late, however. Bayern turned in another win without conceding goal, their third since the winter break, to defend their 12-point advantage. The 3-0 scoreline away to Mainz (Thomas Müller, a brace from Mario Mandzukic) was slightly flattering, Thomas Tuchel's side had been pretty good in the first half. But after Müller's goal Bayern exerted imperious control. "You can't play much better than we did in the second half," said the CEO, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge. Serial irritant Matthias Sammer still managed to get upset, naturally, this time with the fourth official and Tuchel. "I don't remember any sporting director coming to the byline so often and verbally attacking me as well," Tuchel said angrily.

• An altogether different complaint was voiced by Uwe Seeler. The Hamburg icon, 76, is upset that his grandson Levin Oztunali, 16, is moving from Hamburg to Leverkusen at the end of the season. "This is very poor, what has happened there," Seeler said, "this has nothing to do with money, I know the background. The sporting director should be careful with his statements." Frank Arnesen said that Oztunali had had a choice between "family and education or money". The teenager will reportedly earn three times as much (€340,000) at the Bay-Arena.

Results: Bremen 2-0 Hannover, Schalke 1-2 Fürth, Wolfsburg 1-1 Augsburg, Hoffenheim 2-1 Freiburg, Mainz 0-3 Bayern, Hamburg 0-2 Frankfurt, Düsseldorf 3-1 Stuttgart, Nürnberg 2-1 Gladbach, Leverkusen 2-3 Dortmund.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/feb/04/schalke-mega-crisis-bundesliga-blog
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Post by Allez les rouges on Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:51 am

Ä wrote:good interview with German / Swansea goalie Tremmel

about the EPL, the Bundesliga...

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/gerhard-tremmel-swansea-torwart-ueber-bundesliga-und-premier-league-a-880553.html

A bit annoying, not to say disturbing, to read some of that interview. Swansea (and I like them as much as the next man) is not the Premier League, and Wales is not England. The idea that you don't get ruthless booing of your own players in England is laughable, even if I'm maybe used to the extreme opposite as him at Arsenal. And it is hard to realize whether he's joking or not when he claims that football is more of a working-class sport in England, after what the Premier League has become.

It's not a surprise that he likes the relaxed, downmarket, pressure-off atmosphere at Swansea so much and it's fantastic that it's working out so well for them and him, but he truly is deluded if he thinks the same trend is repeated widely across the big-bucks English clubs.

It is depressingly and infuriatingly true about the German tendency to negativity, to always find the hair in the soup, but he doesn't seem to notice that he embodies a lot of that "grass is greener" "we are rubbish and things are so much better elsewhere" tendency himself.
Good luck to him though.

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No one said Kroos wasn't talented, arguably as talented as Özil, but on the biggest stage, especially for his country, he has looked a bit of a nearly, might-be kind of player who hasn't quite shown that he can do it when it counts. Of course he looks a lovely player in regular league games for Bayern (and to be fair he was superb against Madrid) Rolling Eyes
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:04 am

Kroos basically has to do the step Özil has already done - put his stamp on the really big matches, and do it consistently. But he is improving in this regard, as could be seen in the last Bayern - Dortmund encounter, for example, or the Madrid matches you mentioned.

Both have improved a lot in this regard on club level. Now they have to turn up for Germany, too (not counting Özil vs. England in 2010). Müller is ahead of both in this regard, a genuine 'big game' player. Heynckes taking him off in that CL final sealed Bayern's fate. Inexcusable.

Reus is similar to Müller, even more consistent than the Bayern player and seems completely unfazed by the opposition.
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Post by Kroos on Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:14 pm

Sahin starts for Dortmund, gündogan rested for the cl
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Post by Fey on Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:04 pm

Nur der HSV Ale

Lewandowski red for a foul on fatty.
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Re: Bundesliga 2013

Post by Puro on Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:08 pm

Fey wrote:Nur der HSV Ale

Lewandowski red for a foul on fatty.

Very surprised with how Hamburg are playing this game. Did you see the fucking descendant of the k/ha/z/a/rs bait Lewandowski and how stupidly the polack fell for the cheating jew? FFS! how innocent the polack was on that play! Biggrin <Ale>
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Post by Puro on Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:14 pm

YO! fucking "jew". Did you see him getting hit in the head with something? lol!

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