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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by bluenine on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:28 pm

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
bluenine wrote:Great game by Italy (4-0 win over Isreal). Gabbiadini is back to his scoring ways, great game by him. Inter back 5 get a second clean sheet. Saponara also had a good game.

Thank God Insigne's injury is not serious, Italy have already lost Marrone for the tournament.

Bring on the semis.

Florenzi was very good too. Saponara (now plays for us Very Happy) was superb.

The tempo of the Azzurrini was incredible. Very exciting.

I am expecting rotation in the next game, but I do hope Italy get at least a point out of Norway to finish top. It may be important to avoid Spain in the semis, though maybe Holland won't be any easier. Finishing top of the group does give a slim hope of facing someone like Russia.

Or maybe resting key players is more important, keep them fresh for the semis. This Azzurrini side is looking good, though as Fey mentioned, they haven't faced any decent side yet.
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by bluenine on Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:40 pm

Holland turning on the style after Russia's goal. 4-1.

Holland and Spain gotta be the favorites for this championship.
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by bluenine on Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:50 pm

Fey wrote:
Germany
Goalkeepers: Oliver Baumann (SC Freiburg), Bernd Leno (Bayer 04 Leverkusen), Timo Horn (1. FC Köln).
Defenders: Tony Jantschke (VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach), Sebastian Jung (Eintracht Frankfurt), Antonio Rüdiger (VfB Stuttgart), Sead Kolasinac (FC Schalke 04), Matthias Ginter (SC Freiburg), Oliver Sorg (SC Freiburg), Stefan Thesker (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim), Lasse Sobiech (SpVgg Greuther Fürth), Shkodran Mustafi (UC Sampdoria).
Midfielders: Tolgay Arslan (Hamburger SV), Christian Clemens (1. FC Köln), Patrick Funk (FC St Pauli), Patrick Herrmann (VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach), Lewis Holtby (Tottenham Hotspur FC), Christoph Moritz (FC Schalke 04), Sebastian Rode (Eintracht Frankfurt), Sebastian Rudy (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim), Emre Can (FC Bayern München).
Forwards: Pierre-Michel Lasogga (Hertha BSC Berlin), Peniel Mlapa (VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach), Sebastian Polter (1. FC Nürnberg), Kevin Volland (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim).

Why does Jung not start for Germany... is he injured?
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Isco Benny on Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:50 pm

Ht spain germany 0-0.

Germans had just 32% possession, yet just one less shot on target than the Spanish.

Norway won yesterday with 31% possession and 5 shots on goal.

Is possession overrated?
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by King Modric on Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:14 pm

Morata makes it 1-0 for Spain! cheers
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Kroos on Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:19 pm

yes, jung is injured


omg they are simply better, it`s all over the EM 2008 Final again, germany don`t know how to cope with there possession style, and our players are too limited to string a single pass together when they are under pressure

possession overrated !!!!! i don`t know, depends on the opponent, but it`s a good way to win tournaments, because you don`t allow much

the only good thing is, i already knew before the tournament that only 2, at max. 3 can make the A-Team squad

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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Isco Benny on Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:28 pm

The majority of us non Germans knew there is still a long way to go before Germany can claim to match Spain. The hype has been building now, games like this are useful to put things into perspective. They (Spain) are still just too frickin good at producing quality young players. Ze Germans are getting there, but aren't about to go and dominate anytime soon.

That said, they are clearly the two best nations in Europe at the moment, holland and Italy sniffing about but through from seniors to juniors these are the nations countries like England need to aspire to
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Kroos on Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:41 pm

Disco Benny wrote:The majority of us non Germans knew there is still a long way to go before Germany can claim to match Spain. The hype has been building now, games like this are useful to put things into perspective. They (Spain) are still just too frickin good at producing quality young players. Ze Germans are getting there, but aren't about to go and dominate anytime soon.

That said, they are clearly the two best nations in Europe at the moment, holland and Italy sniffing about but through from seniors to juniors these are the nations countries like England need to aspire to

this game wasn`t really a benchmark to justify your statement






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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by bluenine on Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:58 pm

King Pipita wrote:Morata makes it 1-0 for Spain! cheers

Does this kid only score late, late winners? Smile
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by bluenine on Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:02 pm

bluenine wrote:We might as well skip the rest of the group phase and go directly to the semis:
Italy vs Holland
Spain vs DoesNotMata
Kroos wrote:germany will beat spain

As I was saying, young padowan, bring on the semis!
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Isco Benny on Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:15 pm

Kroos wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:The majority of us non Germans knew there is still a long way to go before Germany can claim to match Spain. The hype has been building now, games like this are useful to put things into perspective. They (Spain) are still just too frickin good at producing quality young players. Ze Germans are getting there, but aren't about to go and dominate anytime soon.

That said, they are clearly the two best nations in Europe at the moment, holland and Italy sniffing about but through from seniors to juniors these are the nations countries like England need to aspire to

this game wasn`t really a benchmark to justify your statement







When was the last time Germany beat Spain at any level?

Bayern beating Barcelona doesn't count by the way
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Super Progress on Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:51 pm

Disco Benny wrote:Ht spain germany 0-0.

Germans had just 32% possession, yet just one less shot on target than the Spanish.

Norway won yesterday with 31% possession and 5 shots on goal.

Is possession overrated?


Cue the Morata hype in Madrid now. Erm
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Fey on Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:50 pm

After two games, every team that has Spurs players in their ranks are already out...

Anyway, only caught some highlights of the Dutch game against Russia, and it looked very poor again. Too many bouncers and fuckin runners and a non-excisting midfield. From total football we went to total Pullis. Even against ten Ruskis they had problems, but considering the coach prefers players with loads of gait, this is what you get, though it went better when Clasie came on. But doubt anything will change cause they won 5-1.

As for the other game, Spain totally raped nazi. Conveyor belt is clearly on strike. But they have problems with scoring, just like the seniors. But the game they play is impressive.


bluenine wrote:We might as well skip the rest of the group phase and go directly to the semis:

Italy vs Holland
Spain vs DoesNotMata


Great call Very Happy

Still, it's a shame we only get two decent games, one semi-final and the final, cause Spain-Holland is the last game and both are already qualified. Oh well, winner avoids Italy I guess. Or perhaps Norway can cause an upset.

bluenine wrote:Holland turning on the style after Russia's goal. 4-1.

Holland and Spain gotta be the favorites for this championship.

Well Spain is the bigger favourite. Before the tournament they had the best odds, though even Germany had higher odds then Holland Laughing
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Kroos on Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:03 am

Disco Benny wrote:
Kroos wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:The majority of us non Germans knew there is still a long way to go before Germany can claim to match Spain. The hype has been building now, games like this are useful to put things into perspective. They (Spain) are still just too frickin good at producing quality young players. Ze Germans are getting there, but aren't about to go and dominate anytime soon.

That said, they are clearly the two best nations in Europe at the moment, holland and Italy sniffing about but through from seniors to juniors these are the nations countries like England need to aspire to

this game wasn`t really a benchmark to justify your statement







When was the last time Germany beat Spain at any level?

Bayern beating Barcelona doesn't count by the way

doesn`t count!!!! why?


dortmund !!!!! why?


the only level that really matters is the senior level, and the last time we played spain was in 2010


and i am pretty confident that our player material is already more balanced and has equally class, if not a better in some areas, the only problem is LÖW

so i`ll go with spain to win the next WC


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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Kroos on Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:20 am

bluenine wrote:
bluenine wrote:We might as well skip the rest of the group phase and go directly to the semis:
Italy vs Holland
Spain vs DoesNotMata
Kroos wrote:germany will beat spain

As I was saying, young padowan, bring on the semis!

cheers
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Jaime on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:12 pm

Morata > Germany. Ale
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Fey on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:14 pm



This makes me a wee bit sick in the mouth. Black people and white jew girls that had plastic surgery...it's like the wet MTV-dream of how the world should look like. No

Anyway here are the goals from yesterday! All of them are shite.



The good news is that Holland is already qualified, so we might see Clasie and Vilhena start instead of Strootman and van GInkel. Lets hope so.
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Axeslammer on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:49 pm

Fey wrote:

The good news is that Holland is already qualified, so we might see Clasie and Vilhena start instead of Strootman and van GInkel. Lets hope so.

Van Ginkel was the best man on the pitch against Russia...
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Fey on Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:53 pm

He was awful. And im not alone in this. We might very well win our 3th title in 6 years. But Dutch football is in a lower state then ever before. More and more are we turning into the nation we looked down on, and rightly so, all those years. I see players who need 4 minutes to control a ball. Who just outmuscle and outpace their opponents cause they are a few years older then them. I dont want to become Nigeria. The level of coaching is dropping by the minute. Soon a typical Dutch football training would resemble the one they had in Germany all those years.



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Thank god im not alone in this, Cruyff, Fey, van Gaal and van Hanegem, protectors of the realm that's called Dutch football, all have ring the bells, cause if we dont act now, everything is lost. It should be forbidden for clubs to grow players like Khedira, Fer, Fellaini, Yaya Toure etc. Away with them! I want Clasie's, Isco's, Xavi's, Pirlo's.

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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Isco Benny on Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:14 pm

Kroos wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:
Kroos wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:The majority of us non Germans knew there is still a long way to go before Germany can claim to match Spain. The hype has been building now, games like this are useful to put things into perspective. They (Spain) are still just too frickin good at producing quality young players. Ze Germans are getting there, but aren't about to go and dominate anytime soon.

That said, they are clearly the two best nations in Europe at the moment, holland and Italy sniffing about but through from seniors to juniors these are the nations countries like England need to aspire to

this game wasn`t really a benchmark to justify your statement







When was the last time Germany beat Spain at any level?

Bayern beating Barcelona doesn't count by the way

doesn`t count!!!! why?


dortmund !!!!! why?



the only level that really matters is the senior level, and the last time we played spain was in 2010


and i am pretty confident that our player material is already more balanced and has equally class, if not a better in some areas, the only problem is LÖW

so i`ll go with spain to win the next WC

Because players like Lewandowski and Robben aren't German Ale
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Kroos on Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:03 pm

Disco Benny wrote:
Kroos wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:
Kroos wrote:
Disco Benny wrote:The majority of us non Germans knew there is still a long way to go before Germany can claim to match Spain. The hype has been building now, games like this are useful to put things into perspective. They (Spain) are still just too frickin good at producing quality young players. Ze Germans are getting there, but aren't about to go and dominate anytime soon.

That said, they are clearly the two best nations in Europe at the moment, holland and Italy sniffing about but through from seniors to juniors these are the nations countries like England need to aspire to

this game wasn`t really a benchmark to justify your statement







When was the last time Germany beat Spain at any level?

Bayern beating Barcelona doesn't count by the way

doesn`t count!!!! why?


dortmund !!!!! why?



the only level that really matters is the senior level, and the last time we played spain was in 2010


and i am pretty confident that our player material is already more balanced and has equally class, if not a better in some areas, the only problem is LÖW

so i`ll go with spain to win the next WC

Because players like Lewandowski and Robben aren't German Ale

neither are messi and ronaldo

all of them played in the cl semi final

------------Neuer/Weide

Lahm--Boateng--Hummels--Schmelzer
----Bender/Gündogan-Schweinsteiger/khedira
müller-----götze/özil-------reus
---------gomez

with kroos and badstuber injured

look at the age ratio, spain may have more experience, but after the wc 2014 our youth will have the edge in terms of experience, while spains old generation is finally dead







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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Isco Benny on Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:19 am

I agree, neither are Ronaldo and Messi.

No one claims that Barcelona or Madrid = Spain.

Spain = Spain.

Club football and international football just aren't the same. Different tactics, styles, coaches, mixes of players.

Yes, plenty of Germans in the CL final, this is something to be proud of for sure.

But there were 11 English players who played in the 2008 final. I distinctly don't recall anyone back then claiming it meant the English National Team was a dominant force.

That's all I'm saying really.

Also, surely you can see that Spain is producing great young players, they may end up with losing some great older generation, but they have plenty of talent coming through in the likes of Nunian, Thiago, Isco, Tello, Morata etc.

I really think you should just accept Germany aren't better, and unlikely to be anytime soon. It will just be easier for your soul. Chill with the reality, it's no disgrace to be second best to a Spanish team that may go down as one of the best there ever was Ale
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Xavier on Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:48 am

Us Germans always do better when we aren't the favourites anyway
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Super Progress on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:43 pm

Fey wrote:He was awful. And im not alone in this. We might very well win our 3th title in 6 years. But Dutch football is in a lower state then ever before. More and more are we turning into the nation we looked down on, and rightly so, all those years. I see players who need 4 minutes to control a ball. Who just outmuscle and outpace their opponents cause they are a few years older then them. I dont want to become Nigeria. The level of coaching is dropping by the minute. Soon a typical Dutch football training would resemble the one they had in Germany all those years.



No

Thank god im not alone in this, Cruyff, Fey, van Gaal and van Hanegem, protectors of the realm that's called Dutch football, all have ring the bells, cause if we dont act now, everything is lost. It should be forbidden for clubs to grow players like Khedira, Fer, Fellaini, Yaya Toure etc. Away with them! I want Clasie's, Isco's, Xavi's, Pirlo's.

IE

Progress should DIE!

I don't get the ferosity with which these things are debated in Holland. I mean either way Holland never wins anyway. Aside from 88 Holland has been eye candy that sometimes liven up tournaments(like in 2000 or 2008) for the neutrals. The one time they actually used dirty tactics(2010) they still couldn't win shit. But perhaps that is the point. If Holland isn't known as the pretty team they have nothing to fall back on.

Holland doesn't have any players at the level of Fellaini or Yaya Toure anyway. Instead they have the usual midgets who lose anyway. The Holland side of 74 wasn't filled with midgets either.

Xavier
Does any side do better historically when they are favourites? All of the big teams who have through the years have mostly done so as outsiders. Brazil weren't favourites in 94 and 2002 nor were Italy in 82 or 06.

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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by bluenine on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:11 pm

Super Mourinho wrote:

Xavier
Does any side do better historically when they are favourites? All of the big teams who have through the years have mostly done so as outsiders. Brazil weren't favourites in 94 and 2002 nor were Italy in 82 or 06.

Brazil were big favorites in 94, along with Italy and Germany. Germany were one of the big favorites in 90. France were one of the big favorites in 98. Spain were big favorites in 2010.

2002 and 2006, I will give you that. But Brasil in 2002 and Italy in 2006 started as serious contenders never the less.
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by bluenine on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:15 pm

bluenine wrote:

I am expecting rotation in the next game, but I do hope Italy get at least a point out of Norway to finish top. It may be important to avoid Spain in the semis, though maybe Holland won't be any easier. Finishing top of the group does give a slim hope of facing someone like Russia.

Or maybe resting key players is more important, keep them fresh for the semis. This Azzurrini side is looking good, though as Fey mentioned, they haven't faced any decent side yet.

Big changes in starting line up as expected:

Bardi; Donati, Capuano, Caldirola, Regini; Saponara, Crimi, Rossi, Sansone; Destro, Paloschi

Everyone apart from 3 Inter players (Bardi, Donati & captain Caldirola) has been rested. Which is the right thing to do.
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Allez les rouges on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:24 pm

Disco Benny wrote:I agree, neither are Ronaldo and Messi.

No one claims that Barcelona or Madrid = Spain.

Spain = Spain.

Club football and international football just aren't the same. Different tactics, styles, coaches, mixes of players.

Yes, plenty of Germans in the CL final, this is something to be proud of for sure.

But there were 11 English players who played in the 2008 final. I distinctly don't recall anyone back then claiming it meant the English National Team was a dominant force.

That's all I'm saying really.

Also, surely you can see that Spain is producing great young players, they may end up with losing some great older generation, but they have plenty of talent coming through in the likes of Nunian, Thiago, Isco, Tello, Morata etc.

I really think you should just accept Germany aren't better, and unlikely to be anytime soon. It will just be easier for your soul. Chill with the reality, it's no disgrace to be second best to a Spanish team that may go down as one of the best there ever was Ale

Oh really, what a load of tiresome reflexive bullshit, I don't for a second believe you believe it yourself. When your best player by far is Lewis fucking Holtby, you've rightly left all your absolute top players in the age group elsewhere and you are up against two top world nations both equipped with a whole array of first-teamers and genuine world-class talents, of course you're going to struggle.

It makes pretty damn clear that there's no endless conveyor belt on all positions but with the exception of upfront beyond the current first choices, there's no immediate cause for concern. The idea that this tells us more about the current state of play between the top nations than the Champions League semi-finals is beyond laughable.
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Kroos on Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:38 pm

Disco Benny wrote:I agree, neither are Ronaldo and Messi.

No one claims that Barcelona or Madrid = Spain.

Spain = Spain.

Club football and international football just aren't the same. Different tactics, styles, coaches, mixes of players.

Yes, plenty of Germans in the CL final, this is something to be proud of for sure.

But there were 11 English players who played in the 2008 final. I distinctly don't recall anyone back then claiming it meant the English National Team was a dominant force.

That's all I'm saying really.

Also, surely you can see that Spain is producing great young players, they may end up with losing some great older generation, but they have plenty of talent coming through in the likes of Nunian, Thiago, Isco, Tello, Morata etc.

I really think you should just accept Germany aren't better, and unlikely to be anytime soon. It will just be easier for your soul. Chill with the reality, it's no disgrace to be second best to a Spanish team that may go down as one of the best there ever was Ale

for the fact that you haven`t qualified for the Euro 08, it would have been pretty laughable when you would have called them a dominant force Laughing

let`s look at those english players

wesley fucking brown Laughing
joe freaking cole cheers
ferdinand <Ale>
carrick Laughing
hargreaves <Ale> crocky bastard, learnt his stuff in germany
scholes <Ale> pitty he doesn`t count Wink
rooney Question
terry, cole, lampard <Ale>


and for me Spain = Barca (style, majority of players)

and Allez has a point, lewis fucking holtby was our best player, and he hardly will have a chance against the likes of götze, kroos, gündogan, özil, draxler.............

cl > u21

look at how medicore barta looked against bayern, at U21 he looks like a world beater, because the possession protects him, i admit that thiago and isco are world class talents, but our world class talents showed there class at the highest stage

and like i said, the style makes spain again the big favourite (wc 2014), i rate them, but i don`t think that they have the better players

and how many from spains U21 winning team 2011 made the step into top class footballer:

martinez
mata
de gea Laughing

thats it, i don`t think that tello is something special, maybe an upgrade to the average pedro

here you realize how poor this tournament is, italy field a back 5 where all of them play in serie B, we field clemens, playing in 2nd Bundesliga

Reus never played for an U-Team, is still World Class, and looks brighter then any attacker that spain has

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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Jaime on Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:01 pm

Kroos wrote:

and how many from spains U21 winning team 2011 made the step into top class footballer:

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To be fair - Muniain, Thiago, Montoya, Dominguez, Adrian Lopez, Capel, and Azpilicueta have all been capped by the senior national team. The only players from that squad that have turned out to be fails are Bojan, Miño, and Jeffren (no surprise they are all cules).
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Re: U-21 European Championship 2013

Post by Luis on Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:06 pm

The problem England have fundamentally is that at all levels they're coached by losers. Stuart Pearce is a loser, Roy Hodgson is a loser, a lot of the coaches seem to be failed managers who believe in tradition and ridgity rather than adventure and a new exciting style and philosophy.

England's players aren't good enough but when you add backwards managers who are pretty much clueless they're of course going to suffer.


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