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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by Rosicky on Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:12 am

What achievement? Being from Oceania?
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Re: Confederations Cup

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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by EMP on Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:10 am

Rosicky wrote:What achievement? Being from Oceania?

Tahiti's achievement is pretty obvious. They are champions of their federation. That means they beat New Zealand. In terms you would understand that is Gibraltar beating England to qualify. I doubt that would happen. Tahiti's achievement deserves credit and they deserve encouragement.
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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by EMP on Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:25 am

Rosicky wrote:What achievement? Being from Oceania?

Tahiti's achievement is pretty obvious. They are champions of their federation. That means they beat New Zealand. In terms you would understand that is Gibraltar beating England to qualify. I doubt that would happen. Tahiti's achievement deserves credit and they deserve encouragement.
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Post by bluenine on Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:23 am

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Post by Allez les rouges on Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:49 am

Think they beat New Caledonia hactually...
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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by bluenine on Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:44 am

EMP wrote:
Rosicky wrote:What achievement? Being from Oceania?

Tahiti's achievement is pretty obvious. They are champions of their federation. That means they beat New Zealand. In terms you would understand that is Gibraltar beating England to qualify. I doubt that would happen. Tahiti's achievement deserves credit and they deserve encouragement.

They didn't beat NZL, New Caledonia did.

Not taking anything away from Tahiti, good on them, but I think with Australia out of OFC, either they should be merged with Asia, or there should be a play-off between the winner of OFC and the runners-up somewhere else to qualify for Confed Cup. Just like it is for WC qualification.

Not a big deal though, this cup means nothing anyways. But if you have a cup, why not do it properly?
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Post by debaser on Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:12 pm

point of confederations cup is to have representative from each confederation. would be petty to force team from Oceania to qualify.
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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by EMP on Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:37 pm

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EMP wrote:
Rosicky wrote:What achievement? Being from Oceania?

Tahiti's achievement is pretty obvious. They are champions of their federation. That means they beat New Zealand. In terms you would understand that is Gibraltar beating England to qualify. I doubt that would happen. Tahiti's achievement deserves credit and they deserve encouragement.

They didn't beat NZL, New Caledonia did.

Not taking anything away from Tahiti, good on them, but I think with Australia out of OFC, either they should be merged with Asia, or there should be a play-off between the winner of OFC and the runners-up somewhere else to qualify for Confed Cup. Just like it is for WC qualification.

Not a big deal though, this cup means nothing anyways. But if you have a cup, why not do it properly?

They beat New Zealand by qualifying from the federation that included New Zealand. Oceania would be a complete joke without them - it still is as New Zealand is almost a bye into the Confederation's Cup and a play off to World Cup. Tahiti has made a dreadful federation remotely interesting. Without Australia, there is little point to this federation, but at least Tahiti make this competition more interesting. Hopefully they improve and get assistance. Otherwise there is no point to Oceania at all as you say. While Oceania exists, there can't be a play-off.

If this means nothing do you think that Spain played as if didn't matter? Did Brasil play as if it meant nothing to them? Was it meaningless to Nigeria, Tahiti and even Uruguay and Italy. Only major disappointments were Mexico and Japan so far.
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Post by Kimbo on Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:43 pm

I don't think you can expect amateur sides like Tahiti to fly around Asia, FIFA would probably have to pay for it.
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Post by EMP on Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:27 pm

Kimbo wrote:I don't think you can expect amateur sides like Tahiti to fly around Asia, FIFA would probably have to pay for it.

They have to fly around Oceania, or sail around it. Common-sense would suggest that Oceania either remains, but as a sub-federation, meaning the best two or possibly three sides enter a group for qualification in Asia, while Oceania's champions remain that for Confederation's Cup purposes as they need better competition to improve and in Tahiti's case that can't happen in their league, or FIFA bite the bullet and remove the federation altogether, incorporating it into Asia, or Australia is put back into Oceania. If Oceania is to stay that should happen as the frustrations that led to Australia's departure have pretty much gone due to Oceania's play-off in World Cup being easier now.

Tahiti's players need to leave to improve, but many feel comfortable playing in Tahiti. The players have to decide whether they want comfort or to achieve their potential. Strangely the manager of one of Tahiti's top clubs AS Tamarii Faa'a wants his players to go abroad to get better. He sees no point in Tahiti's league as a means of improving quality - he's right.


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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by Kimbo on Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:30 pm

EMP wrote:
Kimbo wrote:I don't think you can expect amateur sides like Tahiti to fly around Asia, FIFA would probably have to pay for it.

They have to fly around Oceania, or sail around it. Common-sense would suggest that Oceania either remains, but as a sub-federation, meaning the best two or possibly three sides enter a group for qualification in Asia, while Oceania's champions remain that for Confederation's Cup purposes as they need better competition to improve and in Tahiti's case that can't happen in their league.

Their players need to leave to improve, but many feel comfortable playing in Tahiti. The players have to decide whether they want comfort or to achieve their potential. Strangely the manager of one of Tahiti's top clubs AS Tamarii Faa'a wants his players to go abroad to get better. He sees no point in Tahiti's league as a means of improving quality - he's right.

Competing in Oceania doesn't mean flying thousands of miles. It's not the same.
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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by EMP on Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:41 pm

Kimbo wrote:
EMP wrote:
Kimbo wrote:I don't think you can expect amateur sides like Tahiti to fly around Asia, FIFA would probably have to pay for it.

They have to fly around Oceania, or sail around it. Common-sense would suggest that Oceania either remains, but as a sub-federation, meaning the best two or possibly three sides enter a group for qualification in Asia, while Oceania's champions remain that for Confederation's Cup purposes as they need better competition to improve and in Tahiti's case that can't happen in their league.

Their players need to leave to improve, but many feel comfortable playing in Tahiti. The players have to decide whether they want comfort or to achieve their potential. Strangely the manager of one of Tahiti's top clubs AS Tamarii Faa'a wants his players to go abroad to get better. He sees no point in Tahiti's league as a means of improving quality - he's right.

Competing in Oceania doesn't mean flying thousands of miles. It's not the same.

No it isn't the same, but add up the miles and add up the price of such visits, which I'd presume are rare for non-sport reasons. I'll bet that Tahiti's Federation is far from rich and needs real support just to take part in competitions like this. I doubt there is much inter-Oceania tourism. Could be wrong, but I'd guess travel prices there will be pretty horrendous, especially for ordinary people. That federation needs great support, or it needs to be incorporated into a way that can help. Tahiti is a real test of FIFA's intentions. If it truly wants a global game, it has to help properly.
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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by bluenine on Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:48 pm

Kimbo wrote:I don't think you can expect amateur sides like Tahiti to fly around Asia, FIFA would probably have to pay for it.

Oh, I bet they already do, mate.

Anyways, Asia is such a big continent with so man rubbish teams, that the qualifying structure is very different to Europe. There are two home and away "play-off" rounds to reduce the team size to a more manageable 20. Oceania nations could continue what they are doing and send 1-2 reps to this stage. I am sure FIFA can fund like 3 away trips for 1 or 2 teams.

At least this way Uruguay will not have a "free ticket" to the world cup everytime. I mean, Uzbekistan could provide a more serious contest than NZL or Tahiti.

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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by debaser on Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:53 pm

bluenine wrote:At least this way Uruguay will not have a "free ticket" to the world cup everytime. I mean, Uzbekistan could provide a more serious contest than NZL or Tahiti.

OFC team plays someone from CONCACAF actually, so probably Honduras/Costa Rica.

New Zealand made the last world cup, though they played an Asian team in the playoff that time (Bahrain). possibly they rotate the playoffs.
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Post by Kimbo on Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:01 pm

Maybe the answer is to add Oceania to Asia, but then split that in two. One qualifying tournament for darkies/Arabs, another for slanties and Oceania?
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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by EMP on Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:25 am

Kimbo wrote:Maybe the answer is to add Oceania to Asia, but then split that in two. One qualifying tournament for darkies/Arabs, another for slanties and Oceania?

What does Malaysia come under, darkies or slanties?

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Kawashima is looking increasingly dodgy, time for Gonda to get his chance.

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Post by Kimbo on Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:57 pm

EMP wrote:
Kimbo wrote:Maybe the answer is to add Oceania to Asia, but then split that in two. One qualifying tournament for darkies/Arabs, another for slanties and Oceania?

What does Malaysia come under, darkies or slanties?

I wouldn't let them play.
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Post by Puro on Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:19 pm

Congrats, Todo! Let the massive protest continue. Glad to see Los hermanos Brasileiros despiertos. The stadiums are USA quality but the hospital quality is Illuminati England.

My man Eric showed proof of what we already knew and even if they kill him now, it won't matter. The Illuminati are scared.
Congrats again! We won't be stopped. Too many of us have woken up. Here's hoping our enslaved English brothers revolt against castle gray skull too; they look more forward to the start of the "premiership", mind you. God bless them!
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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by Kimbo on Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:37 pm

Puro wrote:Congrats, Todo! Let the massive protest continue. Glad to see Los hermanos Brasileiros despiertos. The stadiums are USA quality but the hospital quality is Illuminati England.

My man Eric showed proof of what we already knew and even if they kill him now, it won't matter. The Illuminati are scared.
Congrats again! We won't be stopped. Too many of us have woken up. Here's hoping our enslaved English brothers revolt against castle gray skull too; they look more forward to the start of the "premiership", mind you. God bless them!

Someone listens to the Yank media too much, there's a reason the UK has a higher life expectancy than the US, and that's with the Scotch dragging our average down. <Ale>
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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by EMP on Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:40 pm

Kimbo wrote:
EMP wrote:
Kimbo wrote:Maybe the answer is to add Oceania to Asia, but then split that in two. One qualifying tournament for darkies/Arabs, another for slanties and Oceania?

What does Malaysia come under, darkies or slanties?

I wouldn't let them play.

Why not? They have the right to play, so which is it darkies or slanties?
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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by Fey on Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:55 pm

Darkies! Considering most of them are Muslim anyway. Singapore with the slanties before you ask it..but what to do with Indonesia...
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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by Kimbo on Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:03 pm

Well yeah if they're muslim they can play Lebanon etc, it wouldn't be fair on the likes of New Zealand to make them play them.
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Post by Murray on Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:13 pm

Kimbo wrote:
Puro wrote:Congrats, Todo! Let the massive protest continue. Glad to see Los hermanos Brasileiros despiertos. The stadiums are USA quality but the hospital quality is Illuminati England.

My man Eric showed proof of what we already knew and even if they kill him now, it won't matter. The Illuminati are scared.
Congrats again! We won't be stopped. Too many of us have woken up. Here's hoping our enslaved English brothers revolt against castle gray skull too; they look more forward to the start of the "premiership", mind you. God bless them!

Someone listens to the Yank media too much, there's a reason the UK has a higher life expectancy than the US, and that's with the Scotch dragging our average down. <Ale>

Fat Geordies drag it down too.
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Post by Kimbo on Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:14 pm

Murray wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Puro wrote:Congrats, Todo! Let the massive protest continue. Glad to see Los hermanos Brasileiros despiertos. The stadiums are USA quality but the hospital quality is Illuminati England.

My man Eric showed proof of what we already knew and even if they kill him now, it won't matter. The Illuminati are scared.
Congrats again! We won't be stopped. Too many of us have woken up. Here's hoping our enslaved English brothers revolt against castle gray skull too; they look more forward to the start of the "premiership", mind you. God bless them!

Someone listens to the Yank media too much, there's a reason the UK has a higher life expectancy than the US, and that's with the Scotch dragging our average down. <Ale>

Fat Geordies drag it down too.

cheers Murray defending his country for once.
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Post by Murray on Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:23 pm

Kimbo wrote:
Murray wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Puro wrote:Congrats, Todo! Let the massive protest continue. Glad to see Los hermanos Brasileiros despiertos. The stadiums are USA quality but the hospital quality is Illuminati England.

My man Eric showed proof of what we already knew and even if they kill him now, it won't matter. The Illuminati are scared.
Congrats again! We won't be stopped. Too many of us have woken up. Here's hoping our enslaved English brothers revolt against castle gray skull too; they look more forward to the start of the "premiership", mind you. God bless them!

Someone listens to the Yank media too much, there's a reason the UK has a higher life expectancy than the US, and that's with the Scotch dragging our average down. <Ale>

Fat Geordies drag it down too.

cheers Murray defending his country for once.

Most of Scotland is great, but it would be even better if we could get rid of the shitty areas around Glasgow & Dundee. A couple of nukes would sort it out.
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Post by Allez les rouges on Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:41 pm

Kimbo wrote:
Murray wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Puro wrote:Congrats, Todo! Let the massive protest continue. Glad to see Los hermanos Brasileiros despiertos. The stadiums are USA quality but the hospital quality is Illuminati England.

My man Eric showed proof of what we already knew and even if they kill him now, it won't matter. The Illuminati are scared.
Congrats again! We won't be stopped. Too many of us have woken up. Here's hoping our enslaved English brothers revolt against castle gray skull too; they look more forward to the start of the "premiership", mind you. God bless them!

Someone listens to the Yank media too much, there's a reason the UK has a higher life expectancy than the US, and that's with the Scotch dragging our average down. <Ale>

Fat Geordies drag it down too.

cheers Murray defending his country for once.


cheers
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Post by Romford Pele on Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:43 pm

Allez les rouges wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Murray wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Puro wrote:Congrats, Todo! Let the massive protest continue. Glad to see Los hermanos Brasileiros despiertos. The stadiums are USA quality but the hospital quality is Illuminati England.

My man Eric showed proof of what we already knew and even if they kill him now, it won't matter. The Illuminati are scared.
Congrats again! We won't be stopped. Too many of us have woken up. Here's hoping our enslaved English brothers revolt against castle gray skull too; they look more forward to the start of the "premiership", mind you. God bless them!

Someone listens to the Yank media too much, there's a reason the UK has a higher life expectancy than the US, and that's with the Scotch dragging our average down. <Ale>

Fat Geordies drag it down too.

cheers Murray defending his country for once.


cheers

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Re: Confederations Cup

Post by Fey on Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:17 pm

Braveheart moment from Murray. Speaking of Geordies, I recently saw an episode of Geordie Shore. Did you knew that excisted Kimbo and why are you not in it!

Anyway, speaking of darkies, looking at Spain and Germany Bayern Dortmund etc. Have black and(or) tall people become obsolete in football? Bar one of the central defenders and the full backs and a central striker for mid-low table EPL-teams. Im inclined to say yes!

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