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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Super Progress on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:09 am



Santillana backs Real for fightback

Real Madrid legend Santillana says the club are capable of pulling off a roaring comebacks in Tuesday's Champions League semi-final second leg against Borussia Dortmund at the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu.

The days since Wednesday night's shock 4-1 first leg defeat in Dortmund have been filled with stories of Madrid's famous past remontadas, with glorious nights at the Bernabeu against Derby County, Inter Milan and Borussia Moenchengladbach being lovingly recalled. Fans and pundits hoping that Jose Mourinho's current side can pull off a similarly historic result.

Former blancos centre-forward Santillana (real name Carlos Alonso Gonzalez) told AS that the tradition began against English league champions Derby in the last-16 of the 1975-76 European Cup, when he scored as a side including internationals Colin Todd, Roy McFarland, Bruce Rioch, Archie Gemmill and Kevin Hector was overwhelmed at the Bernabeu.

"We had lost 4-1 over there," Santillana said. "At the Bernabeu we equalled that result, we went to extra-time and scored another. That is where the special meaning of the remontada began. It came with the help of the fans. You could fit 120,000 people in the Bernabeu and they made sure you left your soul out there. We pressured them high, we went in strong into tackles because the referees let you do it. And playing better or worse we said to the opponent - 'Here we are'."

The European remontadas continued into the 1980s against teams such as Anderlecht (6-1 in 1985-86 UEFA Cup), Borussia Moenchengladbach (4-0 in the 1985-86 UEFA Cup) and Inter Milan (5-1, also in the 1985-86 UEFA Cup, which Madrid then won).

After that first leg in Milan, Madrid attacker Juanito told Italian TV that "Noventa minuti en el Bernabeu son molto longo". This unique mix of Spanish and Italian, meaning 90 minutes at the Bernabeu are very long, has become legendary in Madrid.

Santillana, who scored twice in extra-time to cap the comeback against Inter, said in those days the players felt that whatever scoreline they suffered away, they could make it up back at the Bernabeu.

"We had a lot of confidence at the Bernabeu," he said. "I am of the old Madrid. When we lost heavily away, we all got in the same shower and hatched a plot. First there was Amancio, Pirri, Velazquez... then Juanito, Camacho, Stielike, San Jose, and me. Our courage and rage made us react."

This year's Madrid team are capable of something similar, the 56-times capped Spanish international said.

"What Borussia did to us in Dortmund is what we have to do to them here," he said. "Why can't we score three or four? We had quality too, which is what Benzema, Ozil and Cristiano must show now. Who played well in Dortmund? Lewandowski, Gotze, Reus and Gundogan... the players who had to play well. And they put the foot in too. That is how they beat us. Force and quality.

"Now it is Madrid who must go for it, but with a cool head. The communion between the fans and the players will be there. But they need to show the right attitude so that the public gets behind them. Then they will have their chances."
It would be nice if some Madrid fans could at least acknowledge that "our" tradition is not simply about pretty passing football and dribbling. #puke#
This article helped remind me that there are sensible people around the club but I suspect that even Santillana knows that this current bunch are not fighters. I mean he mentioned Benzema and I could hardly imagine him shining in such a game and certainly not Ozil. Higuain used to be a fighter but he has been tamed by now to the point where I can't recognize him. He probably needs to restart at some other club. I give credit to Ronaldo because he actually wants to win games but I still think he costs us tactically. Modric doesn't striker me as that type either even if he can handle himself. Di Maria is a must in this game though.

I remember how everybody talked up the team after we lost to Liverpool in the first leg. I believe it was Kas who said that when the media was trying to hype up a big comeback it normally meant failure. At the moment there is hope for hope's sake.

I should have been a Madrid fan in the 70's Erm
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Kroos on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:23 am

Disco Benny wrote:
Jaime wrote:
Super Mourinho wrote:Just saw that on average Dortmund ran an 1km more than we did. They had 4 players in the top with Khedira being nr.5 with 11km. Do anybody here know where you can see the individual stats of how much players ran?

Fey
How can I get the link from the Drenthe videos?

From UEFA:

Higuain 8736m
Ozil 10877m
Modric 8088m
Ronaldo 10131m
Alonso 10213m
Khedira 11750m
Coentrao 9611m
Pepe 10124m
Varane 9917m
Ramos 10783m

Lewandowski 11051m
Blaszczykowski 9845m
Gotze 12018m
Reus 11917m
Gundogan 11847m
Bender 12181m
Schmelzer 10965m
Hummels 9963m
Subotic 10904m
Piszczek 9824m

FACKIN RANNERS! cheers

in FACT Dortmund ran just5 km more

2 madrid players where subbed at the 68 min, while the first dortmund player was subbed in the 83 min

higuain and modric, but where are the stats from there replacements ?




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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Balack was Coward on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:01 am

Dortmund didn't win because they ran more, they won because they have a much better manager who is capable of making his team play good football, with great movement and passing. Lot's of the dynamic passages of play you seen Dortmund implement the other night where worked on by Klopp on the training ground. That's something that Mourinho doesn't teach his team to do as he is a one dimensional outdated coach.And when Dortmund did work off the ball they pressed as a unit, unlike Real Madrid. Again something that is built on a training ground.

People like 'Super Mourinho' are old fashioned and out dated concerning their views on football, you can't just play shit on a stick football anymore and expect to beat the best teams because of your superior individual talents alone.This isn't 2007 anymore. Anybody who claims they don't enjoy watching good passing and dribbiling doesn't really enjoy football, or doesn't really understand it. Football has moved on, whether you like it or not and this truly progressive football is here to stay.If Madrid don't find a modern coach and refuse to adapt their football philosophy to a more long term system oriented style of play instead of just buying "Galticticos" then they will keep on coming unstuck against the first decent team they meet in the Champions League.

Should have stuck with a modern coach like Pelligrini. <Ale> Imagine the team you would have now if you give him 3 years and unlimited power like you give Mourinho. Give Mourinho 3 years and unlimited money and he builds a Galactico version of Stoke. Laugh Doh

Agent Mourinho, destroying Madrid from inside. <Ale> Biggrin
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Super Progress on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:15 am

you can't just play shit on a stick football anymore and expect to beat the best teams because of your superior individual talents alone.This isn't 2007 anymore. Anybody who claims they don't enjoy watching good passing and dribbiling doesn't really enjoy football, or doesn't really understand it.
lol!
Why do I watch shit on a stick football if I don't enjoy it?

Pellegrini lol!

What are you going to tell me next. Bielsa is a great modern coach or what? Laugh

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by EMP on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:02 pm

Super Mourinho wrote:
you can't just play shit on a stick football anymore and expect to beat the best teams because of your superior individual talents alone.This isn't 2007 anymore. Anybody who claims they don't enjoy watching good passing and dribbiling doesn't really enjoy football, or doesn't really understand it.
lol!
Why do I watch shit on a stick football if I don't enjoy it?

Pellegrini lol!

What are you going to tell me next. Bielsa is a great modern coach or what? Laugh


@ Jaime and Super Mourinho: End this abominable alliance! Grr Grr Grr You saw what it brought a good thrashing.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Balack was Coward on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:16 pm

"Why do I watch shit on a stick football if I don't enjoy it?"

You only like the destructive element of the sport, which IMO is a projection of your psychological make up. Basically it's a way to channel your anger and your hatred for anything progressive in football is just weird.....

Which is why you laugh at Pellegrini, laugh all you want but he has a much brighter future in football than Mourinho, let's wait until he gets a proper chance at a club with resources. Hopefully he goes to City in the summer as he will probably win the CL for them, as he will have money, time and the power to sign who he wants(At Real Madrid he only had 1 of the 3). Even though I don't like City I wouldn't mind them having success under him, as he deserves it.

Watching Mourinho getting outsmarted by Fergie and Klopp over 5 games has been hilarious,as are his "tactics" when his team trails in La Liga (throw strikers for defenders on at the first sign of trouble Laugh more often than not Madrid just get counter attacked to fuck), he really is a clueless buffoon nowadays.Seeing him sitting on the touchline against United trying to think of what to change was hilarious.He only has one tactic,one dimensional counter attacking football with world class players.When that fails he has no other tools to work with. Unlike Pep or Pellegrini he has added absolutely nothing to the game, no innovation or revolution of the games tactics or the way it is played.

Face it he is a huge failure at Madrid, he has had the money, time and the most power any manager has ever had at Madrid and he has only challenged for the title once in 3 years Laughing and got outplayed by the first good team he faces in Europe each season. He has not only damaged the clubs reputation and image but he has set back Madrid 3 years in terms of competing with Barcelona long term. All the while playing unentertaining football.

On Bielsa,he is a great innovator but is too stubborn and inflexible concerning his tactics and philosophy to have sustained success at a club. So no, I don't rate Bielsa anywhere near as high as Pellegrini.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Super Progress on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:40 pm

I forgot what nonsense Worms used to write.

This post was made by Big Willy who is currently on your ignore list.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by EMP on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:46 pm

Super Mourinho wrote:I forgot what nonsense Worms used to write.

This post was made by Big Willy who is currently on your ignore list.

He's on my ignore list and has been for ages. Not worth wasting time on. A pity because he has some good insight, but prefers to be an arsehole rather than the insightful poster he could easily be. Still, that was his choice and life's too short to waste on such people. <Ale>
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Balack was Coward on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:00 pm


Super Mourinho has no argument so puts me on ignore. Smiley

Must have touched a nerve. Biggrin

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by messiah on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:13 pm

Super does indeed like progressive football and its not that big a fan of Jose, but he has been corrupted by blue and the other Italians but somewhere in their the true super is fighting to come out.


On the side note when Jose resigns I will find by post predicting how he would fail epicly that I and I alone saw coming and was brave enough to speak out.

The oracle is always right most of the times.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by EMP on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:17 pm

messiah wrote:Super does indeed like progressive football and its not that big a fan of Jose, but he has been corrupted by blue and the other Italians but somewhere in their the true super is fighting to come out.


On the side note when Jose resigns I will find by post predicting how he would fail epicly that I and I alone saw coming and was brave enough to speak out.

The oracle is always right most of the times.

Well you're wrong about this. It's a contradiction in terms. You can't be always right most of the time.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Balack was Coward on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:21 pm

Not that big a fan of Jose lol! Is this guy even a Real Madrid supporter? Because he doesn't act like one, more a Mourinho fanboy me thinks.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Balack was Coward on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:23 pm

I hope he flees back to Chelsea in the summer. To destroy any hopes of them building a good team. Very Happy He will turn Hazard into Kuyt 2.0 Laughing
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by messiah on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:23 pm

EMP wrote:
messiah wrote:Super does indeed like progressive football and its not that big a fan of Jose, but he has been corrupted by blue and the other Italians but somewhere in their the true super is fighting to come out.


On the side note when Jose resigns I will find by post predicting how he would fail epicly that I and I alone saw coming and was brave enough to speak out.

The oracle is always right most of the times.

Well you're wrong about this. It's a contradiction in terms. You can't be always right most of the time.

If will Ferrell can then so can I
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by EMP on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:32 pm

messiah wrote:
EMP wrote:
messiah wrote:Super does indeed like progressive football and its not that big a fan of Jose, but he has been corrupted by blue and the other Italians but somewhere in their the true super is fighting to come out.


On the side note when Jose resigns I will find by post predicting how he would fail epicly that I and I alone saw coming and was brave enough to speak out.

The oracle is always right most of the times.

Well you're wrong about this. It's a contradiction in terms. You can't be always right most of the time.

If will Ferrell can then so can I

He can't and you certainly can't. Wink
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Super Progress on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:40 pm

EMP wrote:
Super Mourinho wrote:I forgot what nonsense Worms used to write.

This post was made by Big Willy who is currently on your ignore list.

He's on my ignore list and has been for ages. Not worth wasting time on. A pity because he has some good insight, but prefers to be an arsehole rather than the insightful poster he could easily be. Still, that was his choice and life's too short to waste on such people. <Ale>
You're quite right.

I don't mind discussing footballing philosophies but this sort of psychologizing of your opponent is where I can't be bothered. I had him on my ignore list last time around.

Messiah
lol!
Not bloody likely. Although I will have to come to terms with the fact that I support a team that can't possibly sustain the style of football I would prefer. Would Mourinho have chosen the players he has at the moment if not for being at this club?

In my opinion he wouldn't which is tragic because the reason I wanted him at the club was to make it more solid and defensive but I just don't think the culture of the club is fit for him or anybody else in that mould. That is why that even though I want Benitez, insofar Laudrup won't come, I know that the same thing could happen with him as well. I don't doubt that if any coach would demand that Ronaldo+Ozil would be forced to work like Robben+Ribbery did then the media would be on the manager's back for not allowing them to play freely.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Balack was Coward on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:58 pm

Super Mourinho wrote:
EMP wrote:
Super Mourinho wrote:I forgot what nonsense Worms used to write.

This post was made by Big Willy who is currently on your ignore list.

He's on my ignore list and has been for ages. Not worth wasting time on. A pity because he has some good insight, but prefers to be an arsehole rather than the insightful poster he could easily be. Still, that was his choice and life's too short to waste on such people. <Ale>
You're quite right.

I don't mind discussing footballing philosophies but this sort of psychologizing of your opponent is where I can't be bothered. I had him on my ignore list last time around.

Messiah
lol!
Not bloody likely. Although I will have to come to terms with the fact that I support a team that can't possibly sustain the style of football I would prefer. Would Mourinho have chosen the players he has at the moment if not for being at this club?

In my opinion he wouldn't which is tragic because the reason I wanted him at the club was to make it more solid and defensive but I just don't think the culture of the club is fit for him or anybody else in that mould. That is why that even though I want Benitez, insofar Laudrup won't come, I know that the same thing could happen with him as well. I don't doubt that if any coach would demand that Ronaldo+Ozil would be forced to work like Robben+Ribbery did then the media would be on the manager's back for not allowing them to play freely.

Worst excuse ever. Laughable really. He can't even make Madrid defend set pieces properly despite 9 of Madrid's outfield players being 6 foot plus, several of whom are really good in the air. Face it, he has been a failure.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Jaime on Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:49 pm

I don't buy it. Jose has had every liberty since coming to the club. Anyone who he doesn't want has been discarded and that includes Casillas. Ozil was his choice. Khedira was his choice. Coentrao was his choice. Di Maria was his choice. Essien was his choice. Ok maybe he didn't pick Ronaldo but imagine where we'd be without him! The only signing that wasn't his choice was Varane so thank god we didn't listen to him on that!
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Super Progress on Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:54 pm

That wasn't my point. I'm saying he wouldn't have made those signings if he had been in a different club. Otherwise it seems strange that Mourinho would suddenly start to play a team which is quite different from his past teams which was about the team. My point is that if he had tried to make our team more solid would he have been allowed to? or would Perez even have brought him?
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Jaime on Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:03 pm

No, but my point is that Jose has been allowed to do whatever he wanted. Florentino has not imposed a single 'galactico' style signing since he arrived. He has been free to get rid or replace anyone he wanted. The media have been critical of him, sure, but if he has allowed the media to influence his own convictions then he is a bigger loser even than Pellegrini.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Balack was Coward on Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:03 pm

It's amusing to watch Super Mourinho clutching at straws.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Balack was Coward on Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:58 pm

No matter what Atletico do they will never beat you guys. Laughing Home advantage and playing against your B team and they still won't win.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Cristiano on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:00 pm

Didn't get a chance to watch the match(not that I wanted to), just getting in and seeing Pathetico were up to their old tricks again Laughing . How the hell did they lose to that team at home?
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by King Modric on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:03 pm

It seems every few years we (and probably most other clubs) accumulate a bunch of shit players who need to go. Kaka, Benzema, Essien, Albiol definitely need to go IMO. Arbeloa, Pepe, and Khedira need to be squad players but not first XI starters I think. We clearly don't have the money to do all of this but spring cleaning is clearly needed.

This is where having canteranos who can step up and fill squad positions is necessary to allow the club to clear the aged shite without having to spend money on transfer fees and wages to do it. Maybe having Morata, Nacho, Carvajal and Jese step up will mean that we can concentrate our transfer and wages budget to one or two of Cavani, Bale, Illara, Inigo, etc. I think CM is still a big need for us; Xabi is getting old and isn't quite as reliable as he was when he first arrived and I don't think Modric can do without a partner.

I really wouldn't mind Heynckes or Ancelotti as manager when Mou inevitably leaves. Fat Rafa would be a disaster.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Jaime on Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:30 am

lol!

Somewhere out there The-Frank-Tavern is drowning his sorrows away with the very finest welsh brew on tap in Madrid.

Seriously, I thought if they were ever going to beat us today would be the day. They are cursed!!!!!!

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Jaime on Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:40 am

King Pipita wrote:It seems every few years we (and probably most other clubs) accumulate a bunch of shit players who need to go. Kaka, Benzema, Essien, Albiol definitely need to go IMO. Arbeloa, Pepe, and Khedira need to be squad players but not first XI starters I think. We clearly don't have the money to do all of this but spring cleaning is clearly needed.

This is where having canteranos who can step up and fill squad positions is necessary to allow the club to clear the aged shite without having to spend money on transfer fees and wages to do it. Maybe having Morata, Nacho, Carvajal and Jese step up will mean that we can concentrate our transfer and wages budget to one or two of Cavani, Bale, Illara, Inigo, etc. I think CM is still a big need for us; Xabi is getting old and isn't quite as reliable as he was when he first arrived and I don't think Modric can do without a partner.

I really wouldn't mind Heynckes or Ancelotti as manager when Mou inevitably leaves. Fat Rafa would be a disaster.

The rumour is that Jose wants Khedira to be his first signing for Chelsea. Ale

Agree there is a lot of dead wood that needs to go.

Pepe is an odd case. He has looked really awful since coming back from injury. He is 30 now so for a defender he should still have 2-3 good years left. But if a good offer came for him I would sell him. Albiol there is no point to him at least as long as Jose is here, he has no confidence in the guy at all. Better for him to go back to Valencia or Malaga (as was rumoured last summer) so he can at least get matches and be sharp for the Spain national team. Arbeloa is a bit like Pepe. He's been in really bad form the second half of the season. I still think there is a place for him in the squad but at least Carvajal coming back should give him some competition.

Of course the midfield is and has been the big problem for ages. I like Ozil in theory but he is just so inconsistent. I thought he has turned the corner and then another awful game against Dortmund. A proper backup for Alonso, an upgrade on Khedira.

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Jaime on Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:53 am

Rumour is that Ancelotti will insist on bringing Makelele as his assistant. Erm
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by Jaime on Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:57 pm

Balotelli: "If Real Madrid come back against Dortmund and make the final, I will let my girlfriend sleep with all the players."

lol!

You know Sergio Ramos has made a note of this. Biggrin
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by messiah on Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:44 am

XI Juanitos wrote:Balotelli: "If Real Madrid come back against Dortmund and make the final, I will let my girlfriend sleep with all the players."

lol!

You know Sergio Ramos has made a note of this. Biggrin

Ramos wants to sleep with balotelli more
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Post by EMP on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:08 am

messiah wrote:
XI Juanitos wrote:Balotelli: "If Real Madrid come back against Dortmund and make the final, I will let my girlfriend sleep with all the players."

lol!

You know Sergio Ramos has made a note of this. Biggrin

Ramos wants to sleep with balotelli more

And you know this, how?

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