The End of a Barcelonian Era?

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The Chosen Glenn

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The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Wed May 01, 2013 9:39 pm

I'm old enough to remember the scintillating Barcelona sides of the early 21st century.

But where is that side now?

Elderly stalwarts like Puyol, Abidal, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa and Valdes still hang around the club like ghosts of a bygone era, but like the excellent French teams of the 90's, has their lingering hampered progress and the next generation?

Sexy superstars like Yaya Toure, Roman Ibrahimovic, Bojan, Thierry Henry and Keita have moved on to bigger and better things.

Or is the squad being mismanaged by the sickly orphan Tito Vilanova?

Perhaps the fans need to take some of the blame, after all - most of them are c**ts?

What do Barcelona need to do to stop getting Fritzled again?


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messiah

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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by messiah on Wed May 01, 2013 9:55 pm

It was over the moment pep walk out, time for a refresh
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The Chosen Glenn

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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Wed May 01, 2013 10:00 pm

why did Pep leave? Because of the fans?
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Balack was Coward on Wed May 01, 2013 10:00 pm

Buy Hummels, Inigo Martinez, Filipe Luiz and Neymar.

Sell Sanchez, Song and Fabregas.

Go back to basics (Press as a team like we used to etc). Phase Thiago, Sergi Roberto, Delefeu and Tello in.

We'll be back haterz. Don't fret. Wink
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by messiah on Wed May 01, 2013 10:03 pm

Rafael Glenítez wrote:why did Pep leave? Because of the fans?

He left because he knew the team needed a refresh, to keep going forward a new voice to keep them motivated was needed.

Don't know why Tito and rosell thought someone that was there all along could bring a new perspective
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Wed May 01, 2013 10:14 pm

why couldn't he refresh the team? money? politics? apathy?

who is the man to take them forward?
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by messiah on Wed May 01, 2013 10:21 pm

All of the above

Pellegrini gets by vote
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Balack was Coward on Wed May 01, 2013 10:32 pm

Pellegrini, Heynkes or King Kenny. <Ale>
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Fey on Wed May 01, 2013 11:45 pm

Barcelona needs more:



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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Jaime on Thu May 02, 2013 12:02 am

Rafael Glenítez wrote:why couldn't he refresh the team? money? politics? apathy?

who is the man to take them forward?

Pep was planning to sell Alves, Villa, and Cesc last summer but when he realised that Rosell was going to block the moves he decided to f*ck off and take his 'sabbatical'.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Jaime on Thu May 02, 2013 12:02 am

It's a good thing that Barcelona just renewed Puyol and Xavi BOTH through 2016 ffs! lol!
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Balack was Coward on Thu May 02, 2013 12:31 am

Happy with Xavi staying until then. Let's not pretend he is no longer a top class player.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Jaime on Thu May 02, 2013 1:53 am

Puyol is 35. He will be 38 when his contract runs out ffs! Xavi is clearly not the player he was and you are blind if you can't see that. He can still have his day but he cannot play 50-60 games any more but as long as he is around they will keep putting him out there. The injuries are more and more for Xavi and in general he has simply accumulated too many miles. Everyone talks about the pressing that has gone and the blame is always for Pito but a big part of it is Xavi can't run any more. He was a real key to that pressing.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by messiah on Thu May 02, 2013 2:07 am

Jaime is right but you can't sell players like xavi and puyol, they have to leave on their terms.

But Xavi can still do it on his day, which is why Tito should rotate more, we know cesc is crap but at least in some of the nothing games take Xavi out of the squad altogether, he should start all the bg games plus another 10-15 and the rest on the bench.

Puyol is finish though, but we can't just let him go
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Thu May 02, 2013 2:21 am

hence my mentioning the French, who twice in recent years built awesome sides then let them go to shit by ignoring the next generation and playing the old guard into retirement.

Xavi could and should play well into his 30's, but you'd think more in a Giggs type role than as part of the core XI.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Balack was Coward on Thu May 02, 2013 2:49 am

Xavi is not as good as he was from 08 - 11 but still a class player, worthy of being in any team. He's the type of player who can play into his late 30's at a high level. By 2016 Xavi will be 36, so no big deal that his contract runs until then.

I've already said on here Thiago should get much more playing time. As well as Sergi Roberto.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Jaime on Thu May 02, 2013 2:55 am

The Bald Prince wrote:Xavi is not as good as he was from 08 - 11 but still a class player, worthy of being in any team. He's the type of player who can play into his late 30's at a high level. By 2016 Xavi will be 36, so no big deal that his contract runs until then.

I've already said on here Thiago should get much more playing time. As well as Sergi Roberto.

They should, but they won't. Actually they shouldn't.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by messiah on Thu May 02, 2013 2:58 am

He can still play at his 08-11 level as the last euro final showed, but he needs to be managed correctly. No over playing
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Jaime on Thu May 02, 2013 2:58 am

But it is a point that needs to be addressed. A lot of these players have big egos and don't want to be dropped for any games. Messi and Ronaldo want to play every game and score 50 a season and win Balons de Oro but look they've come to the end and both were f*cked with injuries. Managers need to have bigger balls and rest some of these players. It goes for Xavi too. He's not so obsessed by the goals obviously but he wants to play every game. And he can't any more.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by messiah on Thu May 02, 2013 3:02 am

Agree with that fully
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Balack was Coward on Thu May 02, 2013 3:09 am

messiah wrote:He can still play at his 08-11 level as the last euro final showed, but he needs to be managed correctly. No over playing

Still don't think he will ever quite reach that level again, he has definitely some pace and agility. Watch games from back then, Xavi used to swivel with the ball a lot quicker. But I agree that he can be close to that level if he is used more sparingly.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by bluenine on Thu May 02, 2013 11:00 am

Every top team needs a refresh every summer. Barca have just messed up their refresh of late. Get players like Villa, Cesc, Sanchez, etc out, and get in top players that you actually need. At least 1 top CB, if not two. 1 top Striker. Maybe buy a Bale, just to reduce dependency on Messi. But 2-3 new starters are needed if Barca want to start the next season as favorites.

And if you guys need help, we will gladly take Sanchez + Cesc + Villa off your hands for very low fees. Razz
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu May 02, 2013 11:16 am

So a janitor can manage this Barca side, eh? Laugh

If Bayern really win the treble, Pep's job in Munich will be tougher than it was for him when he took over Barcelona.

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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by shazlx on Thu May 02, 2013 9:09 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:So a janitor can manage this Barca side, eh? Laugh

If Bayern really win the treble, Pep's job in Munich will be tougher than it was for him when he took over Barcelona.

Well...comfortably winning the league and getting to the cl semi final loosing to the big favourites all whilst making obvious mistakes and having a defensive injury crisis. Maybe a translator could What a Face
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Super Progress on Thu May 02, 2013 9:54 pm

shazlx wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:So a janitor can manage this Barca side, eh? Laugh

If Bayern really win the treble, Pep's job in Munich will be tougher than it was for him when he took over Barcelona.

Well...comfortably winning the league and getting to the cl semi final loosing to the big favourites all whilst making obvious mistakes and having a defensive injury crisis. Maybe a translator could What a Face
Except for the manner in which they went out of Cl they actually improved result wise. Not to mention some of older players have had a year of physical deterioration.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Jaime on Fri May 03, 2013 2:20 am

shazlx wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:So a janitor can manage this Barca side, eh? Laugh

If Bayern really win the treble, Pep's job in Munich will be tougher than it was for him when he took over Barcelona.

Well...comfortably winning the league and getting to the cl semi final loosing to the big favourites all whilst making obvious mistakes and having a defensive injury crisis. Maybe a translator could What a Face

ok

And if Messi was fully fit for both legs the result against Bayern might have been different.

So translator definitely. Probably the kit man too. Janitor is maybe a stretch. Ale
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri May 03, 2013 8:35 am

It would not have been different.

But having a manager with proper tactical nous, a manager who'd make changes when necessary, who'd actually be able to manage his team properly by not overplaying his aging key players and rotate in less important league matches, could have made the difference. Tito did absolutely nothing to a well oiled machine handed over to him by Pep. But in football, doing nothing, or rather not evolving constantly, means regressing.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by Jaime on Fri May 03, 2013 1:12 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:It would not have been different.

But having a manager with proper tactical nous, a manager who'd make changes when necessary, who'd actually be able to manage his team properly by not overplaying his aging key players and rotate in less important league matches, could have made the difference. Tito did absolutely nothing to a well oiled machine handed over to him by Pep. But in football, doing nothing, or rather not evolving constantly, means regressing.

In the first place, Messi is not ageing. And in the second place Pep never managed the team either in the sense of rotations. Messi played every game.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri May 03, 2013 1:17 pm

But Xavi is, as are others. And even if Messi is still young, he can still be overplayed / tired / knackered if he starts every freaking game just for the sake of breaking some pointless records. Yes, Pep is to blame for this also, but Tito took it to a new level.

If anything, Pep, like the rest of the people running the club, should be blamed for the rather crappy transfer record. Very few of the players Barcelona signed were actually worth the money they paid for them. But as far as managing the team is concerned, Pep is in a different universe compared to Tito.
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Re: The End of a Barcelonian Era?

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Fri May 03, 2013 1:23 pm

Jaime wrote:

Messi is not ageing.

Yikes

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