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is the world ready for a WPOTY from the Bundesliga ?

Post by Ä on Sun May 12, 2013 7:40 pm

fat Ronaldo once said that nobody playing in the Bundesliga would be eligible to become WPOTY

(irrespective of how good he was)

is this still true ?

or could a Lewandowski, Müller, Götze, Reus, Schweini, Robben or Ribery clinch the title

in the near future

still playing for Bayern or Dortmund ?

today, Didi Hamann tells WAMS that it would be folly to leave the Bundesliga to join the EPL

NOW

the chief football writer of the SUN thinks the Bundesliga is the best league in the world

and the New Statesman produces this cover



so

how far away are we from Schweini becoming WPOTY ?
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Post by Balack was Coward on Sun May 12, 2013 7:51 pm

Dortmund and Bayern have lots of World class players but the problem is there isn't one stand out player, like a Messi, Ronaldo or Iniesta. Schweini is very good but it would be unfair if he won it when Xavi didn't win it for 2010.
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Re: is the world ready for a WPOTY from the Bundesliga ?

Post by messiah on Sun May 12, 2013 7:55 pm

Messi will win it again that's why it should be voted for at the end of the season
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Post by Romford Pele on Mon May 13, 2013 9:42 am

Otto, didn't you hate Schweini the other day?!
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Post by Romford Pele on Mon May 13, 2013 9:43 am

Saying that, Schweini's transition from a winger to a CM has been great. Great physical presence but a fantastic baller to boot ok
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Re: is the world ready for a WPOTY from the Bundesliga ?

Post by Kroos on Mon May 13, 2013 9:51 am

xavi hasn`t won it, so no CM will ever win it

götze will have the biggest chance to win it one day


and fat ronaldo also said that it will be a spanish final tongue

it all depends on how the league will progress or germany wins an major title, sammer won an award 1996, and he played in germany, from 2003-2009 german football lost much charisma in the football world

now we have to put things right, and a german final is a good way to start with it
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Post by Balack was Coward on Mon May 13, 2013 10:15 am

Maybe if Ribery plays a blinder in the final ? Him and Robben are the types of players who have a chance of winning it.As the voters only seem to appreciate goals and assists. Ribery's has a tendency to play poorly away from home and go missing in big CL games though, like in last years final when he was anonymous despite playing against Boswinga. Saying that, this year he has been more consistent in the CL, but not spectacular, which is what you need nowadays if you want to beat players like Messi and Ronaldo.

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Post by 110% on Mon May 13, 2013 11:53 am

Kroos wrote:xavi hasn`t won it, so no CM will ever win it

götze will have the biggest chance to win it one day


and fat ronaldo also said that it will be a spanish final tongue

it all depends on how the league will progress or germany wins an major title, sammer won an award 1996, and he played in germany, from 2003-2009 german football lost much charisma in the football world

now we have to put things right, and a german final is a good way to start with it

A CM can win, he just has the be best the player in the world, or be at least be close to the best and then his team win the world cup. I can only think of the Cannavaro win as being contentious, but even then I don't remember anyone being particularly deserving it that year. Basically the person who has won deserved it 99% of the time, and Xavi didn't deserve it in 2010.

Goal scorers do tend to get more votes as they win games.
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Post by The Chosen Glenn on Mon May 13, 2013 12:02 pm

There already has been a German WPOTY Rolling Eyes

Klaus Nigge won it in 2012 with 'A swirl of flamingos'

In winter, the 22-kilometre-long estuary of the Ría Celestún on Mexico’s Yucatán peninsula attracts thousands of Caribbean flamingos, which congregate here to feed on the microscopic life in the shallow, briny water. These flamingos – the largest and pinkest of the five species – also use their time in the estuary to engage in synchronous courtship dancing as a prelude to breeding. To get the aerial shot that he wanted that would show the beauty of the mass aggregation of flamingos, with the birds appearing as if one organism, Klaus joined biologists on a regular flamingo count. ‘Taking images out of the door of a plane flying in narrow circles is a challenge,’ says Klaus. But lenses with image stabilisers helped overcome the vibration problem, and ‘the photography in this situation was all about capturing the beauty of pattern, form and colour.’ 2012 Wildlife Photographer of the Year.

Nigge Ale
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Re: is the world ready for a WPOTY from the Bundesliga ?

Post by Balack was Coward on Mon May 13, 2013 1:43 pm

110% wrote:
Kroos wrote:xavi hasn`t won it, so no CM will ever win it

götze will have the biggest chance to win it one day


and fat ronaldo also said that it will be a spanish final tongue

it all depends on how the league will progress or germany wins an major title, sammer won an award 1996, and he played in germany, from 2003-2009 german football lost much charisma in the football world

now we have to put things right, and a german final is a good way to start with it

A CM can win, he just has the be best the player in the world, or be at least be close to the best and then his team win the world cup. I can only think of the Cannavaro win as being contentious, but even then I don't remember anyone being particularly deserving it that year. Basically the person who has won deserved it 99% of the time, and Xavi didn't deserve it in 2010.

Goal scorers do tend to get more votes as they win games.

Whether you like it or not, that's hugely debatable. Just ask Messiah, I'm sure he neither would argue against Xavi winning it that year. Your hatred for this Spanish generation of players is tedious and pathetic.

"Goal scorers do tend to get more votes as they win games."

Of course they do, but no more than a midfielder who controls a game and creates chances. Once again you show you have a serious lack of understanding for the finer points of the game. Not an insult, just my opinion.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 12:16 pm

I couldn't care less if the world is ready or not, it would be an absolute travesty if a Bundesliga player didn't win this year. And it would further devalue the 'WPOTY' title that has degenerated into a Playstation-esque popularity contest anyway, in a world in which tards evaluate players on the basis of PES stats.

They can shove it. Ale

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Post by MightyBarca on Tue May 14, 2013 12:26 pm

Which Bundesliga player would win it though? Lewandoski? Reus? Schwinie? Martinez has been just as good as schwinie imo.
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Post by The Chosen Glenn on Tue May 14, 2013 12:28 pm

Bayern need to sign Messi or Ronaldo.
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Post by debaser on Tue May 14, 2013 12:32 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:I couldn't care less if the world is ready or not, it would be an absolute travesty if a Bundesliga player didn't win this year. And it would further devalue the 'WPOTY' title that has degenerated into a Playstation-esque popularity contest anyway, in a world in which tards evaluate players on the basis of PES stats.

They can shove it. Ale

all very well saying it should be 'a Bundesliga player' but which player? one is only going to win if a lot of people rally around the same choice, otherwise the vote gets split and Messi wins again.

Was it ever not a popularity contest? It's a vote on single best player of the year in a team sport, popularity is always going to determine who gets picked.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 12:33 pm

Müller would deserve it most, either him or Schweinsteiger who is the brains and heart of this Bayern team, Martinez or not. Ribery would be a very deserving candidate also.

From the Dortmund players, Lewandowski, Reus, Götze and especially Gündogan stand out. But since Bayern had the far better domestic season, breaking every record there is, a Bayern player would be more deserving, especially if they win the treble.
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Post by debaser on Tue May 14, 2013 12:41 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Müller would deserve it most, either him or Schweinsteiger who is the brains and heart of this Bayern team, Martinez or not. Ribery would be a very deserving candidate also.

From the Dortmund players, Lewandowski, Reus, Götze and especially Gündogan stand out. But since Bayern had the far better domestic season, breaking every record there is, a Bayern player would be more deserving, especially if they win the treble.

Yeah and this is why one probably won't win. All the different managers and players who pick their top 3 will have different views on which one(s) stand out the most. Whereas Messi will get ranked somewhere in most people's top 3 and accumulate enough to win.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 12:47 pm

I know that Müller isn't the most popular player out there, but Schweinsteiger always has been more popular outside of Germany than he was over here, plus he tends to win over the tard-ish PES crowd, too (just read a few comments on Goal.com, for instance). He could win it, he should win but he actually could. Hell, even Lothar fucking Matthäus won it (ok, first ever award and much different times, but still... Lothar Matthäus!).

Ribery's Frankenstein face doesn't help, but he could be an alternative for the Northern European hating Latin crowd.
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Post by debaser on Tue May 14, 2013 12:51 pm

yeah Schweinsteiger probably best hope. Of course, the CL final provides opportunity for someone to make big standout claim.
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 1:20 pm

Do you think Muller has been better than Messi ? Or Iniesta?
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 1:21 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:I know that Müller isn't the most popular player out there, but Schweinsteiger always has been more popular outside of Germany than he was over here, plus he tends to win over the tard-ish PES crowd, too (just read a few comments on Goal.com, for instance). He could win it, he should win but he actually could. Hell, even Lothar fucking Matthäus won it (ok, first ever award and much different times, but still... Lothar Matthäus!).

Ribery's Frankenstein face doesn't help, but he could be an alternative for the Northern European hating Latin crowd.

So you and 10% then? Laughing Oh wait 10% is a Hong Konger. So just you.

But seriously there is a reason why Bundesliga players rarely win it, it's because outside of Germany hardly anybody gives a fuck about the Bundesliga. Serie A for example might not be what it used to be but it still has many more international followers than the Bundesliga. I can see why, outside Bayern and recently Dortmund there is barely any glamour in the league, compare Italys historical clubs with Germanys. Milan, Inter, Juve, Roma,Lazio, Fiorentina, Napoli,Sampdoria, Torino etc, the Bundesliga simply can't compete with this. I have watched some mid-table Bundesliga games and it's boring, no tactical innovation, no well known players etc


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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 1:27 pm

Yes, Müller had a better season than both, will likely win more than both and would be a more deserving winner of the award. Both Messi and Iniesta were part of the team that got annihilated by Müller's, with the latter playing a crucial part in those matches, as he has in almost every match of Bayern this season, on the right side or behind the striker.

I hate Northern Europeans? You really are a tool, aren't you? Btw., that "Goldado" idiot from the Guardian blogs is you, too, innit?
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 1:29 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Yes, Müller had a better season than both because he is German.

Fixed it for you. No charge.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 1:32 pm

Re: rest of the garbage you just added

Please, stick to your playstation and continue to grease your hair in the hope of looking remotely like all those Latin players you wank off to with the other hand, but don't comment on a league you have no fucking clue about. Actually, don't comment on anything unless it involves some PES or FiFA stats.
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 1:32 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:
I hate Northern Europeans?

I know you are German but you really need to improve your reading comprehension.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 1:33 pm

Jonah and the Whale wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Yes, Müller had a better season than both because he is German.

Fixed it for you. No charge.

I'd charge your mother for not 'fixing' you before it was too late.
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 1:34 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Re: rest of the garbage you just added

Please, stick to your playstation and continue to grease your hair in the hope of looking remotely like all those Latin players you wank off to with the other hand, but don't comment on a league you have no fucking clue about. Actually, don't comment on anything unless it involves some PES or FiFA stats.

Sorry Dad. So you are denying the Bundesliga is much less popular outside of Germany than the PL, La Liga and Serie A are outside of their countries ? If so you are deluded mi amigo.


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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 1:35 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:
Jonah and the Whale wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Yes, Müller had a better season than both because he is German.

Fixed it for you. No charge.

I'd charge your mother for not 'fixing' you before it was too late.

The truth hurts. Your bias shows no shame.
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 1:36 pm

A Bundesliga player hasn't won the the Baloon D'OR since 1996.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 1:44 pm

Jonah and the Whale wrote:
Sorry Dad. So you are denying the Bundesliga is much less popular outside of Germany than the PL, La Liga and Serie A are outside of their countries ? If so you are deluded mi amigo.

Do you have any statistical data to back that claim of yours? Sorry, PES doesn't count in this regard. The Bundesliga is very popular in Eastern Europe, North America, the Middle East and East Asia, not to mention the traditional German speaking population is big parts of (central) Europe.

You're just a fucking insecure tool who raves over everything that sounds exotic with no football knowledge whatsoever to back it up. It's one thing to have a preference for something because you have ties to it, another to hate yourself and your own football culture and compensate that with the indiscriminate praise of the opposite. You're a sad human being with so many issues that your shrink would be well advised to just smash you in the head first before wasting time. It'll be more likely to work, too.
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 1:58 pm

"another to hate yourself and your own football culture"

I am not German and I don't hate German football anyway. My feelings are entirely neutral towards it as I don't care about it enough to either lover or hate it. I am English and one of the teams I support is an English team, yet I like Spanish football more than English football and thus support their national team because of the emotional connections I have with Spanish football. If that makes me some kind of traitor to my country or North Europe or whatever bollocks you where going on about then shut up or sue me.

As regards to the popularity of leagues, no I don't have statistical data. Though I could probably find some if I could be arsed. I have made my assumptions based on common knowledge.Here in England for example the Bundesliga has always been seen as a poor version of the Premier League, and until recently this has been true. La Liga and Serie A have always had a lot more glamour and better quality football than the Bundesliga, even if you don't agree with that statement that is the way most people perceive it here in England and in most parts of the globe. That's why historically as well as currently, more people watch those leagues than the Bundesliga.

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