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Re: is the world ready for a WPOTY from the Bundesliga ?

Post by Kroos on Tue May 14, 2013 2:51 pm

"La Liga and Serie A have always had a lot more glamour and better quality football than the Bundesliga"




what a load of crap, where was la liga in the 70s, 80s and 90s?

it started with real madrid 1998, before that time die Bundesliga was 30 years the superior league (70`s, 80`s, 90`s)

i knew in the 90s when i grew up, die Bundesliga was the best league along with the serie A

just deal with it, bundesliga > laliga, serie A, and this for a long time from now on


outside barca, real every spanish club has to sellout there stars (falcao is the next), isco the next, DEAL with it spain and italy are bankrupt, and not just the football

and there are 5 german players who where better then iniesta
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 3:11 pm

Kroos wrote:"

i knew in the 90s when i grew up, die Bundesliga was the best league along with the serie A

just deal with it, bundesliga > laliga, serie A, and this for a long time from now on

and there are 5 german players who where better then iniesta

lol!
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 3:13 pm

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/index.html
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Re: is the world ready for a WPOTY from the Bundesliga ?

Post by Romford Pele on Tue May 14, 2013 3:16 pm

Kroos wrote:"La Liga and Serie A have always had a lot more glamour and better quality football than the Bundesliga"




what a load of crap, where was la liga in the 70s, 80s and 90s?

it started with real madrid 1998, before that time die Bundesliga was 30 years the superior league (70`s, 80`s, 90`s)

i knew in the 90s when i grew up, die Bundesliga was the best league along with the serie A

just deal with it, bundesliga > laliga, serie A, and this for a long time from now on


outside barca, real every spanish club has to sellout there stars (falcao is the next), isco the next, DEAL with it spain and italy are bankrupt, and not just the football

and there are 5 german players who where better then iniesta

Who? Silly comment really.
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Re: is the world ready for a WPOTY from the Bundesliga ?

Post by Kroos on Tue May 14, 2013 3:27 pm


schweinsteiger
müller
götze
reus
gündogan

and kroos (but he was injured, so he missed the most important games)

on cl and league performances, serious what has iniesta done in the CL?
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Post by Romford Pele on Tue May 14, 2013 3:33 pm

Iniesta has won the CL three times. You can't honestly say any of those are better than him based on the performances of one season?

Messi often gets the plaudits but that shouldn't detract from the work Iniesta does. And to be honest, what Iniesta did at Euro 2012 is better than what any German has done in recent memory. This is coming from someone who isn't a big Spanish fan-boy. Trying to discredit the work he's done for the past 5 or so years is silly. The aforementioned have a bit of a way to go before you can say that they are better than him.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 3:34 pm

Actually, Kroos is right that for decades, the Bundesliga was the strongest league in Europe and with the exception of the noughties, it was always amongst the three strongest European leagues. If you idiot did actually understand the UEFA country rankings and had a tad bit of historical knowledge, you'd know this. But you don't, because you're a bastard child of the PES generation that consumes a dumbed down version of football instead of actually understanding and truly enjoying it.

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method1/crank1976.html

Go back to the 70s and you'll see that just after 10 years since the professional football league started in Germany, it already was amongst Europe's strongest leagues.


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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 3:35 pm

Romford Pele wrote:Iniesta has won the CL three times.

What does that have anything to do with his performances this season? It's "World Player of The Year".
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Post by Kroos on Tue May 14, 2013 3:36 pm

Romford Pele wrote:Iniesta has won the CL three times. You can't honestly say any of those are better than him based on the performances of one season?

Messi often gets the plaudits but that shouldn't detract from the work Iniesta does. And to be honest, what Iniesta did at Euro 2012 is better than what any German has done in recent memory. This is coming from someone who isn't a big Spanish fan-boy. Trying to discredit the work he's done for the past 5 or so years is silly. The aforementioned have a bit of a way to go before you can say that they are better than him.

we were talking on which player had the better season, this has nothing to do with former glory, i am not saying they are the better players, they just played a better season
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Post by Romford Pele on Tue May 14, 2013 3:40 pm

Ok, this season is fair. But still, none of them are better than Iniesta overall.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 3:43 pm

They can only rival Xavi, Iniesta and the likes when they start winning trophies. For both that is, club and country.
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 3:54 pm

They can't rival Iniesta and Xavi because they are nowhere near as talented as them. Comparisons to Alonso or Busquets are more reasonable.

Blut keep on throwing around your petty insults as if they mean anything. See if I care.
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Re: is the world ready for a WPOTY from the Bundesliga ?

Post by messiah on Tue May 14, 2013 3:57 pm

Iniesta has been brilliant this season this la liga belongs to him and messi,gotze an rues have not been better than him this season, a good cl peforamce doesn't not equal gre5 season, Muller and bastian yes.

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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 3:59 pm

I don't care if you care, I just enjoy taking a virtual dump on you Mr. Hankey.

They are not as talented because they have less greasy hair, innit?
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 4:04 pm

Don't make me bring the big guns out. Yes, I am talking about PES Stats.
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Re: is the world ready for a WPOTY from the Bundesliga ?

Post by debaser on Tue May 14, 2013 4:05 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Actually, Kroos is right that for decades, the Bundesliga was the strongest league in Europe and with the exception of the noughties, it was always amongst the three strongest European leagues. If you idiot did actually understand the UEFA country rankings and had a tad bit of historical knowledge, you'd know this. But you don't, because you're a bastard child of the PES generation that consumes a dumbed down version of football instead of actually understanding and truly enjoying it.

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method1/crank1976.html

Go back to the 70s and you'll see that just after 10 years since the professional football league started in Germany, it already was amongst Europe's strongest leagues.

Decades? I go through your rankings there and see Germany was #1 from 1976-1984. and a brief return in 1990. German league was basically #1 in the 70s, the rankings lag continued that to early 80s, but England was top dog by then, winning most of the European cups. And even in the German-dominated decade of the 70s, England won as many European cups (3) and Netherlands won 4.

Italy was #1 in late 80s-mid/late 90s, then Spain took over. so I'm not sure when these other decades of German dominance in club football were?
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 4:07 pm

Is there anybody outside of Germany (apart from 10% whos mother was abused by a Spaniard) who thinks Swinestiger or Muller are as good as Xavi or Iniesta ?

It's not even close. Xavi and Iniesta's technique and intelligence shit all over any German players. The truth hurts.
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 4:08 pm

Iniesta is younger than Swinestiger yet has won 3 CL's, 2 Euros and 1 World Cup more... it's not even close. Apart from in the minds of some deluded Germans.


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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 4:09 pm

"Decades" might be overdoing it, but it was the dominant league in the 70s and most of the 80s, before the Serie A took over in the late 80s and 90s. But during that period, the Bundesliga was without the doubt the strongest European league. Even top English players like Keegan played in Germany back then.
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Post by Kroos on Tue May 14, 2013 4:11 pm

debaser wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Actually, Kroos is right that for decades, the Bundesliga was the strongest league in Europe and with the exception of the noughties, it was always amongst the three strongest European leagues. If you idiot did actually understand the UEFA country rankings and had a tad bit of historical knowledge, you'd know this. But you don't, because you're a bastard child of the PES generation that consumes a dumbed down version of football instead of actually understanding and truly enjoying it.

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method1/crank1976.html

Go back to the 70s and you'll see that just after 10 years since the professional football league started in Germany, it already was amongst Europe's strongest leagues.

Decades? I go through your rankings there and see Germany was #1 from 1976-1984. and a brief return in 1990. German league was basically #1 in the 70s, the rankings lag continued that to early 80s, but England was top dog by then, winning most of the European cups. And even in the German-dominated decade of the 70s, England won as many European cups (3) and Netherlands won 4.

Italy was #1 in late 80s-mid/late 90s, then Spain took over. so I'm not sure when these other decades of German dominance in club football were?

it`s called consistency, i just said that buli> la liga for almost 30 years

i don`t agree with blut, who said that die Bundesliga was the STRONGEST for decades, but it was surely among the strongest for most of the time, thats more then you could say about serie A or especially la liga


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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 4:13 pm

My original point was very few people outside of Germany have a interest in the Bundesliga. Even on this board for example, it appears only Germans like Blut and Kroos watch the Bundesliga. While in the La Liga, Serie A and PL threads lots of people of various nationalities watch the leagues games and post there.


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Post by Kroos on Tue May 14, 2013 4:13 pm

Jonah and the Whale wrote:Iniesta is younger than Swinestiger yet has won 3 CL's, 2 Euros and 1 World Cup more... it's not even close. Apart from in the minds of some deluded Germans.

lol! lol we are back in 606^^ Very Happy


xavi started winning with 28, and schweinsteiger is now 28

götze, kroos are born in the 90`s

where was iniesta with 20 years?

lol!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 4:14 pm

Who compares Schweinsteiger to Iniesta you tard? Are you seriously such a fucking idiot that you don't even understand that they play on different positions?

Where was that superior talent when the Schweinsteiger lead Bayern midfield totally annihilated the Barcelona midfield? Twice that is?

Players like Xavi and Iniesta are greats because they actually made the best out of their talent. They won the biggest trophies and dominated for both club and country. That's why they are ahead of the likes of Schweinsteiger who still have to do that. But if the talent wasn't there, he could have never dominated the midfield against Europe's best sides this season like he did. Face it idiot, a white, Northern European player can be just as talented as a Latin one.
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Post by Jaime on Tue May 14, 2013 4:15 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Who compares Schweinsteiger to Iniesta you tard? Are you seriously such a fucking idiot that you don't even understand that they play on different positions?

Where was that superior talent when the Schweinsteiger Javi Martinez lead Bayern midfield totally annihilated the Barcelona midfield? Twice that is?

Players like Xavi and Iniesta are greats because they actually made the best out of their talent. They won the biggest trophies and dominated for both club and country. That's why they are ahead of the likes of Schweinsteiger who still have to do that. But if the talent wasn't there, he could have never dominated the midfield against Europe's best sides this season like he did. Face it idiot, a white, Northern European player can be just as talented as a Latin one.

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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 4:16 pm

Xavi won a CL before he was 28. Let's see if Swinestiger wins 2 Euros, 1 World Cup and 3 CL's then. Good luck. Very Happy
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Post by Balack was Coward on Tue May 14, 2013 4:18 pm

Why is Blut bringing the issue of sub-races and nationalities into this ? Is he really that desperate to divert the arguments at hand ?

I was about to list the times Xavi and Iniesta have humiliated Swinestiger but I would be here all day.
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Post by debaser on Tue May 14, 2013 4:20 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:"Decades" might be overdoing it, but it was the dominant league in the 70s and most of the 80s, before the Serie A took over in the late 80s and 90s. But during that period, the Bundesliga was without the doubt the strongest European league. Even top English players like Keegan played in Germany back then.

first half of 80s was clearly England strongest, til the ban came in.

Compare the 80s records:
England: 4 European cups, 2 Uefa cups, 1 Cup winners cup
Germany: 1 European cup, 2 Uefa cups, 0 Cup winners cups

and that's with English clubs not playing from 86-89.

Germany was top from about 73-80, going off trophies. hell, Keegan moved back to England in 1980 Razz
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 4:21 pm

Jaime wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Who compares Schweinsteiger to Iniesta you tard? Are you seriously such a fucking idiot that you don't even understand that they play on different positions?

Where was that superior talent when the Schweinsteiger Javi Martinez lead Bayern midfield totally annihilated the Barcelona midfield? Twice that is?

Players like Xavi and Iniesta are greats because they actually made the best out of their talent. They won the biggest trophies and dominated for both club and country. That's why they are ahead of the likes of Schweinsteiger who still have to do that. But if the talent wasn't there, he could have never dominated the midfield against Europe's best sides this season like he did. Face it idiot, a white, Northern European player can be just as talented as a Latin one.

Biggrin Ale

No. Javi is a great player and it's true that he has made Schweinsteiger better, but Schweini is running the show for Bayern, he is the brains of their team.
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Post by Kroos on Tue May 14, 2013 4:22 pm

Jonah and the Whale wrote:Why is Blut bringing the issue of sub-races and nationalities into this ? Is he really that desperate to divert the arguments at hand ?

I was about to list the times Xavi and Iniesta have humiliated Swinestiger but I would be here all day.

let`s wait and see how they will perform without a perfect tactical setup, because this setup was a key for there performances

and this was also a key for schweinsteigers performance

this was also a key why italy (pirlo) raped us at the euros

barca had a huge tactical advantage over many years, but now they are outdated, we will see if they can perform at this level again, i have my doubts



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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue May 14, 2013 4:27 pm

debaser wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:"Decades" might be overdoing it, but it was the dominant league in the 70s and most of the 80s, before the Serie A took over in the late 80s and 90s. But during that period, the Bundesliga was without the doubt the strongest European league. Even top English players like Keegan played in Germany back then.

first half of 80s was clearly England strongest, til the ban came in.

Compare the 80s records:
England: 4 European cups, 2 Uefa cups, 1 Cup winners cup
Germany: 1 European cup, 2 Uefa cups, 0 Cup winners cups

and that's with English clubs not playing from 86-89.

Germany was top from about 73-80, going off trophies. hell, Keegan moved back to England in 1980 Razz

Strength in depth. It's true that the Bundesliga should have won more titles, especially Bayern are to blame for this in the 1980s, but the reason why Germany continued to remain the #1 rated UEFA country was the consistency and strength in depth. For example, the 1980 UEFA cup final was between Mönchengladbach and Frankfurt.

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