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Post by Di Caniooooo! on Thu May 23, 2013 3:14 am

Bundesliga is threatening to sue if the WC in Qatar is moved to Winter. It means the WC would have to play in 50C temps. A re-vote then would need to be called.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22629732
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Post by Balack was Coward on Thu May 23, 2013 3:24 am

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Re: Likely Re-vote for 2022 World Cup

Post by EMP on Sat May 25, 2013 8:30 am

Di Caniooooo! wrote:Bundesliga is threatening to sue if the WC in Qatar is moved to Winter. It means the WC would have to play in 50C temps. A re-vote then would need to be called.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22629732

Platini gave a long defence of his position and it does make some sense. It will be very uncomfortable, not so much for players and team officials, but for fans in particular. That is one of his major concerns. Qatar has right to host under FIFA charter, but it must be safe to play. Air conditioned stadiums can do that during matches and Qatar can afford it, but odds are these stadiums won't be used after competition in the summer. Doesn't it make more sense to host it in January, suspending all leagues that are in tournament or have players in World Cup then for a month which will hardly affect them, rather than effectively tell these places that effectively you can never host World Cup unless you waste resources on white elephants? Why not put those resources into some programme that will help develop football somewhere that needs it instead?
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Post by ERIK LAMELA on Sat May 25, 2013 8:43 am

Good. FUCK THE QATARIS.

Bunch of uncivilised fuckers living in the PITS OF HELL. That's no place for an international tournament.
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Post by EMP on Sat May 25, 2013 11:23 am

Glen Folds' Five wrote:Good. FUCK THE QATARIS.

Bunch of uncivilised fuckers living in the PITS OF HELL. That's no place for an international tournament.

Too late. FIFA knows full well that after giving the tournament to Qatar, knowing about the weather, etc. that if it is taken away from them, the Qataris will sue the arse of FIFA. Either you don't give the tournament to them in the first place - too late for that now - or you live with the consequences of the decision and allow them to host it as planned. Pretty simple really.
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Post by Kimbo on Sat May 25, 2013 1:26 pm

A January world cup wasn't part of their bid, it's as simple as that, they must do it in the summer or there has to be a re-vote. Good luck to them.

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Post by Di Caniooooo! on Sat May 25, 2013 2:01 pm

EMP wrote:
Di Caniooooo! wrote:Bundesliga is threatening to sue if the WC in Qatar is moved to Winter. It means the WC would have to play in 50C temps. A re-vote then would need to be called.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22629732

Platini gave a long defence of his position and it does make some sense. It will be very uncomfortable, not so much for players and team officials, but for fans in particular. That is one of his major concerns. Qatar has right to host under FIFA charter, but it must be safe to play. Air conditioned stadiums can do that during matches and Qatar can afford it, but odds are these stadiums won't be used after competition in the summer. Doesn't it make more sense to host it in January, suspending all leagues that are in tournament or have players in World Cup then for a month which will hardly affect them, rather than effectively tell these places that effectively you can never host World Cup unless you waste resources on white elephants? Why not put those resources into some programme that will help develop football somewhere that needs it instead?
Problem with that is if you suspend play for a month, that causes a clusterf*ck with the schedule. As the article notes it'd take another 3 years, just for the schedule to realign correctly.
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Post by Fey on Sat May 25, 2013 2:19 pm

Football doesnt belong in that part of the world, it was nonsense to give such a place the WC anyway. They have zero football history and grass can't even grow there. It would be best if it was held in the summer, with the major countries boycotting it and have a tourney of their own somewhere in Europe. That would teach FIFA.
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Re: Likely Re-vote for 2022 World Cup

Post by EMP on Sat May 25, 2013 2:29 pm

Di Caniooooo! wrote:
EMP wrote:
Di Caniooooo! wrote:Bundesliga is threatening to sue if the WC in Qatar is moved to Winter. It means the WC would have to play in 50C temps. A re-vote then would need to be called.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22629732

Platini gave a long defence of his position and it does make some sense. It will be very uncomfortable, not so much for players and team officials, but for fans in particular. That is one of his major concerns. Qatar has right to host under FIFA charter, but it must be safe to play. Air conditioned stadiums can do that during matches and Qatar can afford it, but odds are these stadiums won't be used after competition in the summer. Doesn't it make more sense to host it in January, suspending all leagues that are in tournament or have players in World Cup then for a month which will hardly affect them, rather than effectively tell these places that effectively you can never host World Cup unless you waste resources on white elephants? Why not put those resources into some programme that will help develop football somewhere that needs it instead?
Problem with that is if you suspend play for a month, that causes a clusterf*ck with the schedule. As the article notes it'd take another 3 years, just for the schedule to realign correctly.

Don't see why.
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Post by EMP on Sat May 25, 2013 2:32 pm

Kimbo wrote:A January world cup wasn't part of their bid, it's as simple as that, they must do it in the summer or there has to be a re-vote. Good luck to them.

They were saying that they will do it in the summer with air-conditioned stadiums. It was Platini and others saying move it to January for good reasons. It's fans that will suffer most in the heat. It will be 40 degrees plus and there won't be so much fans etc. If they get your choice they will do it in summer and fans will be cooked. Simple as that.
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Post by EMP on Sat May 25, 2013 2:35 pm

Fey wrote:Football doesnt belong in that part of the world, it was nonsense to give such a place the WC anyway. They have zero football history and grass can't even grow there. It would be best if it was held in the summer, with the major countries boycotting it and have a tourney of their own somewhere in Europe. That would teach FIFA.

Everyone has the right to bid to host it and they won. It is part of the FIFA charter. They got the votes to host it. Deal with it. Any country that boycotts it should get banned. Don't like it then their Federations shouldn't have voted for it should they?
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Post by Kimbo on Sat May 25, 2013 6:15 pm

EMP wrote:
Kimbo wrote:A January world cup wasn't part of their bid, it's as simple as that, they must do it in the summer or there has to be a re-vote. Good luck to them.

They were saying that they will do it in the summer with air-conditioned stadiums. It was Platini and others saying move it to January for good reasons. It's fans that will suffer most in the heat. It will be 40 degrees plus and there won't be so much fans etc. If they get your choice they will do it in summer and fans will be cooked. Simple as that.

This is what was voted for, how can you change the results of a vote after it has happened? It doesn't matter who wants to change the result, it's not right.
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Post by EMP on Sat May 25, 2013 7:19 pm

Kimbo wrote:
EMP wrote:
Kimbo wrote:A January world cup wasn't part of their bid, it's as simple as that, they must do it in the summer or there has to be a re-vote. Good luck to them.

They were saying that they will do it in the summer with air-conditioned stadiums. It was Platini and others saying move it to January for good reasons. It's fans that will suffer most in the heat. It will be 40 degrees plus and there won't be so much fans etc. If they get your choice they will do it in summer and fans will be cooked. Simple as that.

This is what was voted for, how can you change the results of a vote after it has happened? It doesn't matter who wants to change the result, it's not right.

It probably won't be changed. I can't see Qatar agreeing to any change of time unless they are guaranteed to keep it.

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Post by 110% on Sun May 26, 2013 9:00 am

Are FIFA saying they were too stupid to realise it was 40+C before they awarded the world cup to Qatar?

EMP: Everyone has the right to host world cups, but the bids should have merit and if you're building white elephants then the selectors should consider that as well. Fan comfort etc should have been considered as part of the bid, so Platini is talking shit.

Nothing has changed since the selection procedure, so there's nothing to consider. FIFA should just admit that their selectors are corrupt and stupid, and fire all of them, before they start talking about alternatives.
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Post by EMP on Mon May 27, 2013 8:33 am

110% wrote:Are FIFA saying they were too stupid to realise it was 40+C before they awarded the world cup to Qatar?

EMP: Everyone has the right to host world cups, but the bids should have merit and if you're building white elephants then the selectors should consider that as well. Fan comfort etc should have been considered as part of the bid, so Platini is talking shit.

Nothing has changed since the selection procedure, so there's nothing to consider. FIFA should just admit that their selectors are corrupt and stupid, and fire all of them, before they start talking about alternatives.

110% of course FIFA knew that it was hot. The Qatar bid included air conditioning in the stadiums, but the concern is you can't air condition the country. Fan comfort was considered, but only in the stadiums. Platini is speaking for himself, but he has a point that was not properly considered at the time as it would have meant changing the procedures and that could not have been done in time for Qatar's bid.

Qatar can have further matches in these stadiums later. Manchester United or others could come, but it will be friendlies, pre-season tournaments. It won't be Qatari league. It's a white elephant because it's unncessary. It can still be used by a club or national team, although I heard they were going to dismantle the stadiums and give them away to poorer nations.

FIFA and everyone else should accept Qatar won the bid. The majority voted for them. Accept it and move on. If it proves a rip-roaring failure, then get rid of delegates, but wait and see.

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Post by 110% on Mon May 27, 2013 9:39 am

EMP wrote:
110% wrote:Are FIFA saying they were too stupid to realise it was 40+C before they awarded the world cup to Qatar?

EMP: Everyone has the right to host world cups, but the bids should have merit and if you're building white elephants then the selectors should consider that as well. Fan comfort etc should have been considered as part of the bid, so Platini is talking shit.

Nothing has changed since the selection procedure, so there's nothing to consider. FIFA should just admit that their selectors are corrupt and stupid, and fire all of them, before they start talking about alternatives.

110% of course FIFA knew that it was hot. The Qatar bid included air conditioning in the stadiums, but the concern is you can't air condition the country. Fan comfort was considered, but only in the stadiums. Platini is speaking for himself, but he has a point that was not properly considered at the time as it would have meant changing the procedures and that could not have been done in time for Qatar's bid.

Qatar can have further matches in these stadiums later. Manchester United or others could come, but it will be friendlies, pre-season tournaments. It won't be Qatari league. It's a white elephant because it's unncessary. It can still be used by a club or national team, although I heard they were going to dismantle the stadiums and give them away to poorer nations.

FIFA and everyone else should accept Qatar won the bid. The majority voted for them. Accept it and move on. If it proves a rip-roaring failure, then get rid of delegates, but wait and see.

Everyone has accepted Qatar won the bid. FIFA don't want to accept the massive fail that is coming, that is what this trying to move it to winter etc is all about. Qatar's climate is obviously a problem that should have already been considered by the selectors. They decided it was fine, so there is nothing to talk about. Why in particular is Platini even talking about it, it's not a UEFA thing it's a FIFA mess.

Everyone bid on a world cup to be held in June and Qatar's climate, fan comfort, white elephants etc should have been considered during the selection. Talking about white elephants is unnecessary as that applies whether the tournament is held in summer or winter. The bids should have had a viable plan for use of the stadiums regardless.

Fans spend 95+% of their time not in the stadiums, so how can the climate have only been considered in the stadiums?
I am pretty sure that restaurants, accommodation, transport infrastructure, tourist attractions, fan zones etc is part of the bids, and most of that is not inside the stadiums.

For me it is pretty obvious that Qatar's bid always had this problem, and instead of FIFA cleaning house and getting rid of all the corrupt officials who took bribes, decided that finding a compromise that could make the world cup more successful is the way to go. The root problem of corruption remains, so for me it is not any kind of solution.
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Post by Super Progress on Mon May 27, 2013 12:31 pm

110% wrote:
EMP wrote:
110% wrote:Are FIFA saying they were too stupid to realise it was 40+C before they awarded the world cup to Qatar?

EMP: Everyone has the right to host world cups, but the bids should have merit and if you're building white elephants then the selectors should consider that as well. Fan comfort etc should have been considered as part of the bid, so Platini is talking shit.

Nothing has changed since the selection procedure, so there's nothing to consider. FIFA should just admit that their selectors are corrupt and stupid, and fire all of them, before they start talking about alternatives.

110% of course FIFA knew that it was hot. The Qatar bid included air conditioning in the stadiums, but the concern is you can't air condition the country. Fan comfort was considered, but only in the stadiums. Platini is speaking for himself, but he has a point that was not properly considered at the time as it would have meant changing the procedures and that could not have been done in time for Qatar's bid.

Qatar can have further matches in these stadiums later. Manchester United or others could come, but it will be friendlies, pre-season tournaments. It won't be Qatari league. It's a white elephant because it's unncessary. It can still be used by a club or national team, although I heard they were going to dismantle the stadiums and give them away to poorer nations.

FIFA and everyone else should accept Qatar won the bid. The majority voted for them. Accept it and move on. If it proves a rip-roaring failure, then get rid of delegates, but wait and see.

Everyone has accepted Qatar won the bid. FIFA don't want to accept the massive fail that is coming, that is what this trying to move it to winter etc is all about. Qatar's climate is obviously a problem that should have already been considered by the selectors. They decided it was fine, so there is nothing to talk about. Why in particular is Platini even talking about it, it's not a UEFA thing it's a FIFA mess.

Everyone bid on a world cup to be held in June and Qatar's climate, fan comfort, white elephants etc should have been considered during the selection. Talking about white elephants is unnecessary as that applies whether the tournament is held in summer or winter. The bids should have had a viable plan for use of the stadiums regardless.

Fans spend 95+% of their time not in the stadiums, so how can the climate have only been considered in the stadiums?
I am pretty sure that restaurants, accommodation, transport infrastructure, tourist attractions, fan zones etc is part of the bids, and most of that is not inside the stadiums.

For me it is pretty obvious that Qatar's bid always had this problem, and instead of FIFA cleaning house and getting rid of all the corrupt officials who took bribes, decided that finding a compromise that could make the world cup more successful is the way to go. The root problem of corruption remains, so for me it is not any kind of solution.
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This is truly embarassing stuff from FIFA. I don't know if there was corruption involved because I don't know too much about it but this seems like a move somebody blinded by the occasion(holding the WC in a virgin region).

Now they need to make this right and members should be allowed to recast their vote on where that WC should be held.
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Post by abundance on Mon May 27, 2013 12:55 pm

EMP wrote:They were saying that they will do it in the summer with air-conditioned stadiums. It was Platini and others saying move it to January for good reasons. It's fans that will suffer most in the heat. It will be 40 degrees plus and there won't be so much fans etc. If they get your choice they will do it in summer and fans will be cooked. Simple as that.

meh I think Platini is full of shit as usual.
Fans can stay in air-conditioned hotels, get to the games in air-conditioned buses and taxis, and get together in between games in air-conditioned malls.
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Post by Antarion on Mon May 27, 2013 1:04 pm

But you can get a cold then
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Post by messiah on Mon May 27, 2013 1:06 pm

Everyone who wants the wc to move is just a bunch of racist

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Post by 110% on Mon May 27, 2013 2:26 pm

messiah wrote:Everyone who wants the wc to move is just a bunch of racist

They are talking about moving it to winter, I don't think that makes anyone racist against the summer Whistle


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Post by 110% on Mon May 27, 2013 2:34 pm

abundance wrote:
EMP wrote:They were saying that they will do it in the summer with air-conditioned stadiums. It was Platini and others saying move it to January for good reasons. It's fans that will suffer most in the heat. It will be 40 degrees plus and there won't be so much fans etc. If they get your choice they will do it in summer and fans will be cooked. Simple as that.

meh I think Platini is full of shit as usual.
Fans can stay in air-conditioned hotels, get to the games in air-conditioned buses and taxis, and get together in between games in air-conditioned malls.

People survive in air-conditioning, but it highlights another problem for me. There isn't much to do in Qatar except hang out in an air-conditioned mall. There are water sports but you'll burn even with SPF 50. That basically leaves sitting in a hotel bar drinking, which is pretty much what I did when I worked there. It gets boring pretty quickly.

BTW Another thing that is yet to come up is how the female fans will be treated, if unaccompanied women will be allowed into the country, how they will be expected to dress etc. There's a lot of drama yet to come.

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Post by Brian2468 on Mon May 27, 2013 3:45 pm

Fifa really did cock this one up. As for allowing everyone to host the WC rubbish only the countries that are 100% really capable of entertaining the fans as well as the players after all it is one big out door major entertainment extravaganza and the world watching it on TV can keep interested if not football fans. Just because a nation has the money does not give them the right to host. Canada plays footie so what we don't stick I noses out claiming Hey we should be a host!! even if they do there is no chance of getting it. Erm

And for that Racist point.. #uck off with that sounds so 1990's.
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Post by christmasborocooper on Mon May 27, 2013 3:49 pm

Make a new rule. If you're not in the top 100 in the fifa rankings then you can't host.
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Post by Super Progress on Mon May 27, 2013 7:04 pm

It is not purely about money. It is about bringing the World Cup to an area that has never seen it before. That the particular country where this cup will be played is Qatar is of course down to money.
I don't mind ideological point because there is nothing wrong with promoting WC and football in this manner although I don't think it should be the main motivation for where the WC should be held. That is why having it in Russia in 2018 should be enough for 2-3 tournaments.

But the stuff coming out of people in the BBC article is simply embarrassing and pathetic. It shows that many people simply didn't question this bid to the extent it should have. It means the filtering process is corrupt or incredibly incompetent or both.

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Post by Di Caniooooo! on Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:34 pm

Head of English FA says that a move to winter would be 'flawed'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22820410
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Post by Kimbo on Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:29 pm

Looks like FIFA are definitely pushing for a winter world cup. I hope club football fucks it up for them. <Ale>
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Post by Luis on Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:26 pm

How is a winter WC going to work? Will all leagues be out on hold for 2 months?
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Post by Kimbo on Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:31 pm

Luis wrote:How is a winter WC going to work? Will all leagues be out on hold for 2 months?

They will bribe FA's to get them on board, but how they will get clubs to go along with it though I don't know, cash bribes won't cut it.

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Post by Di Caniooooo! on Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:02 pm

Screws the US and players who play in MLS. MLS doesn't play during winter, so the players will be short on match fitness.

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