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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by EMP on Fri May 17, 2013 11:56 am

Romford Pele wrote:Simeone, Bilic, Blanc, Spalletti, Biesla, Lucescu Ale

Is he available? He is doing a very good job at Atletico. Why would he want to leave unless that squad gets gutted in the summer?
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Fri May 17, 2013 12:11 pm

Romford Pele wrote:Simeone, Bilic, Blanc, Spalletti, Biesla, Lucescu Ale

do you understand why Wanger hasn't been sacked and replaced by an unknown quantity like this?
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by Romford Pele on Fri May 17, 2013 12:16 pm

A lot of good managers are unknown quantities, but in this case, the only one that may be unknown here is Lucescu.
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by EMP on Fri May 17, 2013 12:25 pm

Romford Pele wrote:A lot of good managers are unknown quantities, but in this case, the only one that may be unknown here is Lucescu.

Really?
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Post by The Chosen Glenn on Fri May 17, 2013 12:30 pm

Romford Pele wrote:A lot of good managers are unknown quantities, but in this case, the only one that may be unknown here is Lucescu.

they're all unknown quantities in the EPL.

If you have a manager who consistently qualifies for the Champions League, and has a net spend on par with a League One club, why would any sane person replace him with an unknown quantity who could spend a fortune and finish 7th? Because he might win a trophy at the same time?

You will not compete with Man City and Chelsea unless you spend a small fortune, no matter who your manager is. Especially if you're competitive in the cups too.
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by Luis on Fri May 17, 2013 12:33 pm

Roman Aglennovich wrote:
Romford Pele wrote:A lot of good managers are unknown quantities, but in this case, the only one that may be unknown here is Lucescu.

they're all unknown quantities in the EPL.

If you have a manager who consistently qualifies for the Champions League, and has a net spend on par with a League One club, why would any sane person replace him with an unknown quantity who could spend a fortune and finish 7th? Because he might win a trophy at the same time?

You will not compete with Man City and Chelsea unless you spend a small fortune, no matter who your manager is. Especially if you're competitive in the cups too.

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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by Balack was Coward on Fri May 17, 2013 12:34 pm

Hasn't Klopp spent less than Wenger on transfers and wages yet has built a way better team ?
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Post by Romford Pele on Fri May 17, 2013 12:35 pm

Jonah and the Whale wrote:Hasn't Klopp spent less than Wenger on transfers and wages yet has built a way better team ?

This.
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Fri May 17, 2013 12:37 pm

why don't you get Klopp in as manager then Rolling Eyes

why don't we all get Klopp in as manager?

The idea that this somehow answers my question is laughable.
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by Luis on Fri May 17, 2013 12:39 pm

Romford Pele wrote:
Jonah and the Whale wrote:Hasn't Klopp spent less than Wenger on transfers and wages yet has built a way better team ?

This.

Put Dortmund in the Premier League and they'd finish on similar points to Arsenal.

Dortmund will lose their key players this summer, it's hip to hype them but comparing them to Arsenal under Wenger in his entire Arsenal career is silly.
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Fri May 17, 2013 12:40 pm

Managers, available managers, who could be trusted to do a better job than Wanger are few and far between.
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by Balack was Coward on Fri May 17, 2013 12:41 pm

Luis wrote:
Romford Pele wrote:
Jonah and the Whale wrote:Hasn't Klopp spent less than Wenger on transfers and wages yet has built a way better team ?

This.

Put Dortmund in the Premier League and they'd finish on similar points to Arsenal.

Dortmund will lose their key players this summer, it's hip to hype them but comparing them to Arsenal under Wenger in his entire Arsenal career is silly.

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Post by Balack was Coward on Fri May 17, 2013 12:43 pm

Wait a minute, who was comparing this Dortmund team to Wengers entire career Lewis ? Do you not even try to hide your low IQ anymore ? Razz

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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by EMP on Fri May 17, 2013 12:48 pm

Jose Mourinho was untested in the EPL when he came to Chelsea. Arsene Wenger was untested when he first arrived here. Rafa Benitez was untested too and so was Sir Alex Ferguson - hardly a list of failures is it?
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Post by The Chosen Glenn on Fri May 17, 2013 12:48 pm

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Post by Balack was Coward on Fri May 17, 2013 1:16 pm

EMP wrote:Jose Mourinho was untested in the EPL when he came to Chelsea. Arsene Wenger was untested when he first arrived here. Rafa Benitez was untested too and so was Sir Alex Ferguson - hardly a list of failures is it?

Doh
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by messiah on Fri May 17, 2013 1:35 pm

Put durtmund in the Prem and they would win or come very close what is Luis talking about, has he not what them over the last three years.
They are better than any team in the top four and has a much better manager as well.
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by Balack was Coward on Fri May 17, 2013 1:43 pm

Messiah, Lewis is either a gigantic WUM or an idiot. Probably both when it comes to football.
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri May 17, 2013 3:15 pm

Wenger is still a very good manager and has achieved a lot over the years, but unlike Ferguson, I don't think that he has the ability to evolve and re-invent himself, the greatest achievement of the latter. But the game has changed and is constantly changing, so sooner or later problems will arise. He reminds me of Schaaf, although on a much smaller scale, of course.

Klopp is special because he combines tactical nous and great motivation / man management skills with a football vision. He is a visionary you can have a beer with.
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Post by Romford Pele on Fri May 17, 2013 3:18 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Wenger is still a very good manager and has achieved a lot over the years, but unlike Ferguson, I don't think that he has the ability to evolve and re-invent himself, the greatest achievement of the latter. But the game has changed and is constantly changing, so sooner or later problems will arise. He reminds me of Schaaf, although on a much smaller scale, of course.

Klopp is special because he combines tactical nous and great motivation / man management skills with a football vision. He is a visionary you can drink a beer with.

He has the ability, he just chooses not to. For such a smart individual, his stubbornness is a major hindrance to him, and more importantly, the team. I doubt he'll ever change.

As for the problems, they are evident to all, hence why there's a growing contingent of Arsenal fans asking for him and the board to be removed Ale
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Re: Arsènal FC - 2014-2015

Post by Balack was Coward on Mon May 20, 2013 12:19 am



This is your fault for him not being used to trophy presentations. lol!
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Post by Romford Pele on Mon May 20, 2013 8:38 am

Razz lol!
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Post by Romford Pele on Mon May 20, 2013 11:59 am

Bloody hell that was hard work, but at least we did it. It's got to be an upward curve from now. I do think money will be spent this summer, the fans won't allow Wenger and the board to drift without any marquee signings and rightly so. We've pretty much progressed the last few months, we now need some outstanding individuals to help push to the next level.

My choices for this summer would be:
Adler
Sakho (If Vermaelen goes)
Capoue/Gonalons
Jovetic
Higuain

A much stronger first XI with good back-up. A fitter Wilshere will also be a great help next season. Hopefully Santi will be able to push on further with someone like Jovetic to link up with. Theo now needs to start producing these 20+ goals a season on a regular basis but he's made decent progress. I'm hopeful. Or deluded, whichever way you look at it Very Happy Ale
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Post by ERIK LAMELA on Mon May 20, 2013 12:56 pm

Romford Pele wrote:Bloody hell that was hard work, but at least we did it. It's got to be an upward curve from now. I do think money will be spent this summer, the fans won't allow Wenger and the board to drift without any marquee signings and rightly so. We've pretty much progressed the last few months, we now need some outstanding individuals to help push to the next level.

My choices for this summer would be:
Adler
Sakho (If Vermaelen goes)
Capoue/Gonalons
Jovetic
Higuain

A much stronger first XI with good back-up. A fitter Wilshere will also be a great help next season. Hopefully Santi will be able to push on further with someone like Jovetic to link up with. Theo now needs to start producing these 20+ goals a season on a regular basis but he's made decent progress. I'm hopeful. Or deluded, whichever way you look at it Very Happy Ale

lol!

The fans have no say in contemporary football.
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Post by Romford Pele on Mon May 20, 2013 1:01 pm

They do if they don't turn up.
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Post by Super Progress on Mon May 20, 2013 1:02 pm

Glen Jakovich wrote:
Romford Pele wrote:Bloody hell that was hard work, but at least we did it. It's got to be an upward curve from now. I do think money will be spent this summer, the fans won't allow Wenger and the board to drift without any marquee signings and rightly so. We've pretty much progressed the last few months, we now need some outstanding individuals to help push to the next level.

My choices for this summer would be:
Adler
Sakho (If Vermaelen goes)
Capoue/Gonalons
Jovetic
Higuain

A much stronger first XI with good back-up. A fitter Wilshere will also be a great help next season. Hopefully Santi will be able to push on further with someone like Jovetic to link up with. Theo now needs to start producing these 20+ goals a season on a regular basis but he's made decent progress. I'm hopeful. Or deluded, whichever way you look at it Very Happy Ale

lol!

The fans have no say in contemporary football.
Certainly not Arsenal fans.
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Post by ERIK LAMELA on Mon May 20, 2013 2:22 pm

Romford Pele wrote:They do if they don't turn up.

Which never happens because they are slaves. Just cogs in the machine - passing their hard-earned cash to their overlords because they ultimately satisfy themselves with the 'experience' of 'viewing a game'.
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Post by Romford Pele on Mon May 20, 2013 2:24 pm

You obviously haven't watched enough games this season. Attendances have definitely declined. Anyway, back to the original point, I think signings will be made. Wenger and the board have no excuse.
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Post by Super Progress on Mon May 20, 2013 2:31 pm

Romford Pele wrote:You obviously haven't watched enough games this season. Attendances have definitely declined. Anyway, back to the original point, I think signings will be made. Wenger and the board have no excuse.
They haven't had any excuse for not investing in previous years either. Each year I would think that surely Wenger would invest big but he just keeps tinkering or reacting after selling a big name. Milan has shared this trait with Arsenal but at least they are sometimes proactive with transfer like Ibrahimovic or Balotelli. I have yet to see anything comparable by Wenger. The only reason I think he might spend big is that it is absurd he hasn't already done it.
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Post by Romford Pele on Mon May 20, 2013 2:50 pm

It's very true, but the level of pressure is unlike previous years. Everyone knows that there is in between £70-100m to spend on talent. There was a bit of confusion before as to where the money was and if Wenger was allowed to spend it or not. Also, there will be nobody major leaving this summer unlike previous seasons so now it's a chance to build rather than rebuild. Then you also have to factor in the fact that Wenger's contract expires in 2014. If he wants a new contract, he has to show that the team's moving forward. Naturally I want him gone, but doubt it'll happen.

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