Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Share
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:55 am

Fey wrote:W vs W...3-0 Very Happy
Well, Golfsburg have the better players and team than us currently and deservedly beat us yesterday. We simply aren't good enough yet to compete with the higher regions of the table. It'll take a few years of smart transfers, integrating promising youngsters and team building for us to challenge for the European spots again.
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:58 am

Kroos wrote:this 18 year old meyer kid looks very good
He's a special kind of talent just like Draxler is. Schalke's youth setup is as productive as any. They need a proper coach to truly fulfil all this potential though, it's being wasted under Keller.
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:41 am

Great week for BVB. Micky is starting to show his full potential,  wonderful footballer who is only going to get better in the coming years under Klopp. Sahin blossoming in the absence of Gündogan,  too. Will be interesting to see what happens when Ilkay is back. Gündogan will have to perform to keep his starting spot,  that's for sure (still think that he has more potential than Sahin) . This is just great for the club though,  they clearly have more strength in depth this season.  Two key players injured in Gündogan and Piscek,  but their replacements Sahin and Großkreutz doing a fine job,  even in the CL.

BVB to keep Bayern on their toes throughout the whole season. Looking forward to the matches between both clubs, will likely decide who is going to win the league.
avatar
Kroos

Number of posts : 9049
Age : 31
Supports : FC Bayern Munich, die MANNSCHAFT
Favourite Player : Kroos, Müller, Götze, Neuer, Gündogan
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Kroos on Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:53 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuE6e_38q_0&list=WL0D96E1C66D3A372E

miki vs. schalke

amazing game
avatar
Kroos

Number of posts : 9049
Age : 31
Supports : FC Bayern Munich, die MANNSCHAFT
Favourite Player : Kroos, Müller, Götze, Neuer, Gündogan
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Kroos on Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:53 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:
Kroos wrote:this 18 year old meyer kid looks very good
He's a special kind of talent just like Draxler is. Schalke's youth setup is as productive as any. They need a proper coach to truly fulfil all this potential though,  it's being wasted under Keller.

CAN made also a huge game, and Dorfer for Wolfsburg

the next generation is on his way


avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:55 am

*sigh*

According to L'Equipe, Arab money doped PSG are interested in three Bundesliga players: Draxler from Schalke, Reus from Dortmund and Robben from Bayern.

http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/fussball/2013/10/28/transfer-news/robben-draxler-oder-reus-zu-paris.html

Can't see Bayern selling to anyone unless they want to get rid of a player, which they don't, even if there are alaways is some diva nonsense going on with the bald Holländer. Don't think that Draxler or Reus will move to the French league either. PSG have a good team and money galore, but Ligue1 simply isn't on the radar over here, so a move there would hurt their national team careers. Not happening.
avatar
abundance

Number of posts : 1514
Age : 38
Supports : FC Inter
Registration date : 2007-01-29

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by abundance on Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:26 pm

Well Robben is reaching 30 so it may be the right time for a $mart cash-in.

So that they'll be able to rape Dortmund again stealing Reus from them to replace him.
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:36 pm

Reus could have moved to Bayern when he left Gladbach, Bayern were strongly interested also, but he chose Dortmund instead. Unlike Götze, he is a Dortmund kid through and through and if he leaves Dortmund, I expect him to go abroad.

Robben isn't getting any younger, but Bayern have just extended Ribery's contract who is of the same age. Ribery may be more important to them than Robben, but the latter is still a key player who is having another excellent season so far. Unless Robben wants to leave himself or if Guardiola wants to get rid (both unlikely), I really can't see this happening. Bayern basically never sell a player they don't want to sell, that's just how they are.

avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:49 pm

Romford Pele wrote:What can you lovely gents tell me about Patrick Hermann? Thanks.
Hermann had an excellent match for Gladbach vs. Frankfurt this weekend, scoring one and creating another in impressive fashion. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep up this form over the next few weeks and gain consistency.
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:52 pm

Borussia Dortmund's derby flair marred by flare-up with their fans

A 3-1 win at Schalke in the 143rd Revierderby kept Dortmund on Bayern's heels, but it was tainted by 'antisocial behaviour'

It's widely known that Jürgen Klopp is the only Bundesliga manager who doesn't need to wear a mask to frighten the kids on Halloween. But on Saturday afternoon, the Dortmund manager showed us his softer, altogether sweeter side. When his attempt to volley a stray ball back on to the pitch misfired badly – he shinned it to the side and smack on the back of the head of the fourth official Thorsten Kinhöfer, who was scribbling furiously away on his notepad at the time – Klopp was a picture of acute, sheepish embarrassment, complete with a hefty dose of schoolboy charm.

The short clip of the incident doesn't quite do it justice. The scene, captured in super slow-motion glory by German Sky, continues with a po-faced Klopp looking around in distress for a good eternity before acknowledging Kinhöfer's discomfort with a shrug of the shoulder. It's not quite an apology, more a self-deprecating admission of guilt. "What do you expect from me, I was never very technical as a player," Klopp seemed to be saying.

That would have been quite funny by itself – by German standards anyway, we like that sort of thing – but it was made even more entertaining by the fact that Klopp and Kinhöfer had previous. In 2007 Klopp, then the Mainz coach, was fined €12,500 for calling the official an "idiot". Both his embarrassment and non-apology after the misguided volley were much more comical as a result.

Under normal circumstances this scene would have set the news agenda, but neither Klopp nor Kinhöfer were asked a question about it, as far as this column knows. There was just too much else going on in the 143rd Revierderby at the Veltins Arena. And most of it wasn't laughable.

Unlike in last season's instalment (180 injured) there was no wide-scale violence, but plenty of smoke and fire. Yellow smoke bombs in the Dortmund section of the ground delayed kick-off by 10 minutes. Much worse, however, were the flares fired on to the pitch – Roman Weidenfeller was targeted by his own fans when he tried to intervene – and into the Schalke stands made up of regular supporters and families. "At that moment I was ashamed of our supporters," said Klopp after the final whistle. "We won despite these missiles, not because of them." The Dortmund chief executive, Hans-Joachim Watzke, spoke of "antisocial behaviour" that was "intolerable and unacceptable". Stadium bans for the perpetrators were on the agenda, he told Sky on Sunday.

Only a handful of fans were to blame, of course, but the latest trouble has come at a sensitive time. Police and local politicians throughout Germany are still advocating more draconian measures and the chaotic scenes from Saturday, seen as a bit of harmless fun by many of the Ultras, could usher in a more repressive approach.

Furthermore, they endanger the special bond that many teams and their supporters enjoy in the Bundesliga. The Dortmund players could not stop themselves from celebrating widely with their fans after the game had finished 3-1 in their favour. Would a symbolic snub have sent the appropriate no-tolerance message in this case, as the local paper WAZ seemed to think? "Dortmund and Weidenfeller, who led the celebrations, missed a great chance to make a statement," it wrote. On the other hand, non-celebrations would have amounted to a collective punishment for the 95% of law-abiding fans. Kevin Großkreutz's declaration – "I'm not ashamed for anybody, everybody is responsible for their own behaviour" – didn't really help, either.

At least there could be no arguments about right and wrong on the pitch. Dortmund's performance confirmed Schalke's deepest fears – the qualitative gap between the two sides has become so big that all the pre-season talk about "playing on the same level" (Schalke's sporting director Horst Heldt) appears preposterous in hindsight. To understand the Royal Blues' frustration, it's worth noting that their neighbours, who seemed down-and-out not long ago, have managed to erect a super mansion next door while the House of Schalke resembles an eternal building site, liable to fall down at the first gust of wind. That's what happens when you hire architects who lack flair as well as organisational skills.

"Jens Keller's position is assured, we will give him the time," said the Schalke chairman, Clemens Tönnies, unconvincingly. Even the most benevolent appraisal of the 42-year-old's reign – he has suffered from injuries to key players – has to attest to a total absence of any progressive momentum, over-arching playing style or, even, a smidgen of consistency. And what does it say about Keller's leadership qualities if he couldn't bear to watch Kevin-Prince Boateng's failed penalty attempt? (Heldt turned his back, too).

Schalke created some chances, to be fair, but the visitors were superior in all relevant categories. "We played against Dortmund today," said Keller with an air of resignation that has become quite persistent. Heldt quickly revised the season target's down to scraping into fourth space. The top three – Bayern Munich, Dortmund, Bayer Leverkusen – are not just miles ahead in the table, but also playing much-better, well-planned football than the rest.

Schalke's horror weekend was compounded on Sunday night when Ottmar Hitzfeld hinted that Boateng's knee problems are chronic. "It is rumoured that he was already injured when he came to Schalke," the Switzerland manager told Sky. "They saw the problem in the medical, that's why they got him." Schalke subsequently denied this version of events. But in Italy, too, there were suggestions that Milan had been surprisingly keen to get rid of the 26-year-old, who was signed for a relatively modest fee of €10m.

Heldt admitted that the Ghanaian international had hardly trained over the past couple of weeks, and he refused to make any long-term prognosis. "I don't know what will be in one, two or six months," said the 43-year-old. Maybe it'll be someone else's problem by then.

Talking points

• Hans E Lorenz, the chairman of the German FA's sports tribunal, likes a bit of a laugh. "Mr [Stefan] Kiessling, now you've been finally invited by the German FA" was his welcome to the Leverkusen striker (and non-favourite of Joachim Löw) at the opening of the "Phantomtor" adjudication on Monday. Lorenz also mused that Kiessling could be made to try and hit that same hole in the Hoffenheim net again and again. In the serious matter of a muted replay, Lorenz was unmoved, however. "The decision of the referee was wrong, but that's part of the system," he said. "It's not up to us to change the system." So there won't be a replay.

• The officials from Hannover had seen that decision coming. "I had a feeling throughout the week that it would be difficult for us because no referee would whistle against Hoffenheim today," said the Hannover sporting director, Dirk Dufner, after his side's 4-1 home defeat against TSG.

Mirko Slomka, the Hannover head coach, also seemed to suggest that the official had set out to right the wrong that was done to Hoffenheim the week before. "Maybe he felt under pressure," he said. The ref in question, Tobias Stieler, did not have his best day, to be fair – he awarded a penalty for a foul outside the box and sent off Hannover's Mame Diouf after only 12 minutes for dissent and a dive that didn't look clear-cut at all, before then also sending off the Hannover defender Marcelo in the second half.

"Total madness," foamed Diouf. There would have been more sympathy for Hannover's plight if they hadn't themselves made a gross mistake before the match. Steven Cherundolo, the captain, could not feature since the club had forgotten to officially register him as fit again, with a medical note. Before kick-off they told the press that the American had suffered a late back injury. "It was a stupid mistake," said Dufner.

• What Joe Hart can do, Oliver Baumann can do – but worse. The Freiburg goalkeeper made not one but three calamitous mistakes to gift Hamburg three goals and as many points on Sunday. Unlike Hart, however, Baumann faced the media with a mixture of self-effacing humour and defiance after the final whistle. "Fuck me, I don't look good at all here," said the 23-year-old while watching the replays. "It didn't quite work out as planned. But I'll emerge stronger from that." The "the slapstick keeper" (Welt) fared so badly that Rafael van der Vaart offered his condolences. "I've never seen something like that before," said the Hamburg midfielder, and he has played with Heurelho Gomes.

Results: Stuttgart 1-1 Nürnberg, Schalke 1-3 Dortmund, Leverkusen 2-1 Augsburg, Hannover 1-4 Hoffenheim, Bayern 3-2 Hertha, Wolfsburg 3-0 Bremen, Mainz 2-0 Braunschweig, Freiburg 0-3 Hamburg, Gladbach 4-1 Frankfurt.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/oct/28/borussia-dortmund-schalke-flair-flares-bundesliga
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:08 am

Diving judges

Posted by Uli Hesse

Nothing enrages football fans quite as thoroughly as the blatant, cynical dive. Especially if it’s executed to win a penalty or to get an opponent sent off. Sometimes the blood will begin to boil even if fans only suspect that someone might have made more of a mistimed tackle than the foul called for.

A week ago I was at Villa Park and the Holte End was collectively up in arms against Tottenham’s Lewis Holtby after about 10 minutes, calling him names I cannot possibly repeat here. Holtby had just been hacked down by Ashley Westwood rather recklessly and was obviously in honest pain. But the Villa faithful felt he was trying to get Westwood booked by feigning a slow, agonising death and so they loudly listed some of Holtby’s presumed family relations and recreational pursuits.

This moral outrage is the reason why people periodically demand that divers be dismissed outright. Some seven years ago, for instance, Kicker magazine asked the Bundesliga coaches if a dive should be punished with a red card and almost half of them said ‘yes’.

The debate was triggered by the case of Sven Guenther, then playing for Jena. In November 2006, Guenther went down in Freiburg’s penalty area and was awarded the spot-kick which won this second-division game for his team. After the final whistle, he admitted to having dived. The German FA decided there was a fine line between honesty and impudence and suspended Guenther for two games.

He thus became only the second footballer to be retroactively prosecuted for a dive in this country. The first, and much more famous, case concerned Andreas Moeller. In April 1995, Dortmund’s midfielder committed what was widely dubbed the dive of the century.

As his opponent, Karlsruhe’s Dirk Schuster, later said with hardly any exaggeration: "You could have parked a small car between him and me -- suddenly he went down." It not only won the penalty on which the game turned but quite likely also the league title, as Dortmund finished only one point ahead of Bremen. Moeller, too, was suspended for two matches.

So you can understand why some fans, coaches, reporters and even powerful pinstripes, like Sepp Blatter, will regularly suggest that a diver should be immediately sent off. The people who usually resist this idea are -- referees. During the 2006-07 debate, their spokesman Manfred Krug said: "It would put even more pressure on the referee during a game. Making a wrong decision here would be a fatal mistake. Referees shouldn’t have to bear the brunt of this problem."

But of course they still have to. That’s because since the summer of 1999, the rules say that "attempts to deceive the referee must be sanctioned as unsporting behaviour which is misconduct punishable by a yellow card." And sometimes this can be a player’s second bookable offence.

It doesn’t happen very often, though. On the first day of the 2007-08 season in Spain, Valencia’s David Villa saw his second yellow card for a dive and was sent off after only 39 minutes of a home game against Villarreal which his team went on to lose 3-0.

Then there’s the famous Fernando Torres incident. Last year, Manchester United won 3-2 at Stamford Bridge, in part because Chelsea were reduced to nine men. One of the players who got his marching orders was Torres.

On 68 minutes, the Spaniard went down following Jonny Evans' challenge some 28 yards in front of goal. It did look like a dive and the referee brandished what was Torres’ second yellow card of the game. But the more replays you saw, the bigger the doubts became. After the game, Evans said: "At the time I didn't feel like I'd made contact but I've seen it again and there was a bit of contact."

Evans added that he felt there wasn’t enough impact "to bring him down," but most observers thought the decision was very harsh. About as harsh as booking someone twice in the first 12 minutes of a game even though he hasn’t committed a single foul.

This is what happened in Hannover on Saturday. After 10 minutes, the referee awarded visiting Hoffenheim a penalty. It was a correct decision, but you needed slow-motion replays to be absolutely sure, so you could understand why some Hannover players were unhappy with the referee. After the penalty had been converted, former United and Rovers striker Mame Diouf said something to the official and was booked for dissent.

Barely two minutes later, Diouf ran into Hoffenheim’s penalty area and went down under a challenge from 18-year-old Niklas Suele. The referee booked Diouf again, this time for diving. It was the fastest sending-off for two yellow cards in Bundesliga history. It also seemed dubious.

There was no foul in the tackle and, yes, Diouf was probably hoping this challenge might earn him a penalty. But there was also plenty of contact and it was almost impossible to tell whether the striker lost his footing or whether he could easily have kept his balance.

In any case, the referee’s decision poisoned the atmosphere in the stands and on the pitch, by and large ruined the game as a sporting contest and heavily influenced the outcome. That is quite a lot of weight resting on what is, and will always be a matter of interpretation.

It’s not as if football suffers from a shortage of judgment calls. Just think of the handball rule, another case where the referee’s task is not just to judge what he sees but where he also has to ascertain someone’s intention.

Think of Diouf and all those disgusted Hannover fans the next time Blatter says divers should be sent off. Or think of the referee in charge of the game between RUSG Quevy and RSC Templeuvois in the Belgian fourth division back in February.

At one point, the visitors’ 35-year-old defender, Julien Lecomte, went up for a ball, was hit in the head by an elbow and went down in the box. The referee was so convinced that this had been a dive that he booked Lecomte -- while the player was being carried off the pitch, having lost consciousness.
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/bundesliga/id/202?cc=5739
avatar
Kroos

Number of posts : 9049
Age : 31
Supports : FC Bayern Munich, die MANNSCHAFT
Favourite Player : Kroos, Müller, Götze, Neuer, Gündogan
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Kroos on Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:18 am

http://youtu.be/kJxlSbSMrZ0

max meyer 2013/14

could be in the götze bracket, and ahead of draxler
avatar
Fey

Number of posts : 35347
Supports : Feyenoord and Manchester United
Favourite Player : ??#$ Error, John Guidetti, Jordy Clasie
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Fey on Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:41 pm

Isco Benny wrote:Are you drinking a blutty blutty Fey? (No Bernie tears as long as United sit in our shadow)
It's a seasonal drink...one can't have it when the R is in the month.

Wahre G.
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:45 pm

Fey wrote:HSV is Fussballpornografie! Always loads of goals with them!
What HSV do we can do better. Always. Ale
avatar
Fey

Number of posts : 35347
Supports : Feyenoord and Manchester United
Favourite Player : ??#$ Error, John Guidetti, Jordy Clasie
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Fey on Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:26 pm

Wir singen scheiß Werder Brämen!

Tedious game it was again. Nice goal Hangover though ok
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:48 pm

The table doesn't lie Fey, the table doesn't lie...

Wo ist die Papierkugel? Wo ist die Papierkugel? Wo ist die Papierkugel IHR WICHSER! cheers

Felt good to be back in Bremen again this weekend. The city breathes football, Werder is everywhere. Ale
avatar
Fey

Number of posts : 35347
Supports : Feyenoord and Manchester United
Favourite Player : ??#$ Error, John Guidetti, Jordy Clasie
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Fey on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:07 pm

No it doesnt. .neither does the fixture list. You got a lucky win today against Hsv jr. otherwise you would be near the relegation zone.

So you is saying Werder is just a local club? I knew it!
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:35 pm

No, I'm just saying that Bremen is a proper 'football city', means a city with a strong and deeply rooted football tradition. You understand the difference once you are / live in a city where football doesn't have the same standing. There are quite a few cities in Germany where others sports are more important.

Werder is one of Germany's biggest and most tradition-steeped clubs. The fanbase is huge and definitely not just local, there are Werder fans everywhere, in and outside of Germany. Facts fey, they don't lie. Just like the table doesn't lie. Only Rotterdam based Man United plastics with a horrible taste in food lie, and they lie a lot. Ale
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:14 pm

Bundesliga manager wages (bonuses not included):

Code:

01. Pep Guardiola (FC Bayern): 12 million Euros / year
02. Jürgen Klopp (Borussia Dortmund): 6 million Euros / year
03. Dieter Hecking (VfL Wolfsburg): 1.8 million Euros / year
    Armin Veh (Eintracht Frankfurt): 1.8 million Euros / year
05. Lucien Favre (Borussia Mönchengladbach): 1.7 million Euros / year
06. Bert van Marwijk (Hamburger SV): 1.6 million Euros / year
07. Sami Hyypiä (Bayer Leverkusen): 1.5 million Euros / year
08. Thomas Tuchel (Mainz 05): 1.2 million Euros / year
    Jens Keller (Schalke 04): 1.2 million Euros / year
    Mirko Slomka (Hannover 96): 1.2 million Euros / year
    Robin Dutt (Werder Bremen): 1.2 million Euros / year
12. Jos Luhukay (Hertha BSC): 1 million Euros / year
13. Markus Gisdol (Hoffenheim): 0.8 million Euros / year
14. Christian Streich (Freiburg): 0.7 million Euros / year
15. Gertjan Verbeek (1.FC Nürnberg): 0.6 million Euros / year
16. Markus Weinzierl (FC Augsburg): 0.5 million Euros / year
17. Torsten Lieberknecht (Eintracht Braunschweig): 0.4 million Euros / year
    Thomas Schneider (VfB Stuttgart): 0.4 million Euros / year
http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/bundesliga/2013/11/04/sport-bild-plus/trainergehaelter-bundesliga.html
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:52 am

Borussia Mönchengladbach in Kruse control as Hamburg fans get shirty

Max Kruse scored twice in Gladbach's victory at Hamburg before handing his shirt to the defender who gifted him both the goals

Posted by Raphael Honigstein

Unlike the rest of his team, Lasse Sobiech didn't leave the Volksparkstadion empty handed. Max Kruse gave the Hamburg defender his shirt as a souvenir at the final whistle. This didn't come as a huge surprise – the two had played at St Pauli together and are still good friends – but still felt a bit weird under the circumstances: two bad mistakes from Sobiech had gifted Kruse his two strikes in the 2-0 win, the first one for Borussia Mönchengladbach away from home.

"The way to play against him is to be horrible, he doesn't like it," Sobiech had said before the match with some confidence. And the 22-year-old, who'd only come in for the injured Johan Djourou, did play horribly, albeit not in the sense intended. His back-pass to René Adler was intercepted by the 24-year-old Foals striker to score in the 23rd minute, and in the 63rd he was robbed of the ball by Raffael to allow Kruse to decide the match. "He's a good centre-back and will show that in the future," said the striker.

"I need to apologise to the team," Sobiech said later, hanging his head in shame. "I messed up the game." That was undoubtedly true but Hamburg hadn't really offered much going forward and the visitors were on balance worth the three points. "It was a pleasure to see them play," said Lucien Favre, who was particularly pleased with his men's pressing game. The Swiss coach had multiple reasons to celebrate. It was his side's first away win of the season, a win that confirmed their current status as the best side behind Bayern, Dortmund and Leverkusen, and on his 56th birthday 8,000 Borussia supporters serenaded him with "happy birthday" after the game.

For Kruse, 25, it was a special occasion, too. The locally-born forward had confessed to dreaming about playing for Hamburg during the week. He used to sleep in HSV bed linen as a kid. But his favourite club never recognised his talent. Kruse played for rivals Werder Bremen and St Pauli, then broke through last season at Freiburg. Now, with seven goals in eleven games, he's the best German striker in the league and has become the figurehead of a Gladbach side that has belatedly coped with the 2012 departure of Dante, Roman Neustädter and Marco Reus. "I'm just happy that I was able to help the team today," he said with typical modesty.

The €2.5m buy has galvanised the Borussia front-line. Raffael, Patrick Herrmann and Juan Arango all look much happier next to him than to club-record signing Luuk de Jong, who's been a big disappointment (and often injured) since making the move from Twente last season. Kruse's pace is such that he's great moving to the flanks or arriving late in the box; his passing is extraordinarily good, too: against HSV, he completed 46 out 48 attempts. He's both a "nine" and "false nine" and thus has a great chance to make Joachim Löw's World Cup squad.

Within the dressing room, some credited the black away shirts for the win. Gladbach had worn these at their last win on the road in a friendly against Celtic in July. But the real reasons had less to do with choice of apparel and more with a rare clean sheet: unlike typical Favre sides, this team had struggled to find the right balance behind their potent front line. The only sustained bombardment keeper Marc-André ter Stegen had to endure was a salvo of Mon Cherie pralines thrown down by the Hamburg fans in the first half. (They've just come into season again after the summer break).

If the much-coveted manager – Schalke, Lyon and Marseille were all interested in his services in the summer – can get his defence to play with the same efficiency as his attack, Gladbach will be favourites to finish in fourth spot for the second time in two years. According to Kicker, they've only needed 65 chances to score 25 goals; in other words, they've converted 38.5% of their goalscoring opportunities. No team in the Bundesliga has been this clinical.

For Hamburg, a bigger club in a much bigger, much wealthier city, the continued progress of Gladbach serves as a painful reminder of their own ineptitude. And the Foals are not finished yet. Favre has made them much less reliant on counterattacks, while the board are doing their best to tie both the coach and keeper Ter Stegen to longer contracts. Reports suggest that both will renew their deals fairly soon.

Just like Kruse, Favre was in generous mood and allowed the players to drink "whatever they want" on the coach journey back – provided it was either "coffee, tea or mineral water". That strict directive was later relaxed to permit "up to three beers per player", Bild reported.

Talking Points

While Borussia Dortmund were at their awe-inspiring best against hapless Stuttgart – Robert Lewandowski scored a hat-trick in the 6-1 win on Friday night, league leaders Bayern Munich eked out an unconvincing 2-1 win at Hoffenheim. The result saw the Bavarians equal the Hamburg's record of 36 unbeaten Bundesliga games from 30 years ago but no one seemed to be happy. Pep Guardiola went as far as threatening to change "his system" in the light of the lacklustre performance.

Sami Hyypia hadn't changed his system but his entire frontline for Bayer Leverkusen's the game at Braunschweig – and suffered a somewhat embarrassing 1-0 defeat, thanks to a late Domi Kumbela goal. "When the bottom team in the table makes you play this badly, you have no arguments," said the dejected sporting director Rudi Völler. Hyypia later said he didn't regret resting Son Heung-min, Stefan Kiessling and Sidney Sam ahead of their trip to Shakhtar Donetsk on Tuesday. Whether it was inexperience on the coach's behalf or an overestimation of his squad players is ultimately immaterial: the game showed that Leverkusen simply do not have the depth to challenge Bayern and Dortmund seriously for the title.

For Freiburg, it was the first win of the season; for Nürnberg the sort of defeat that gets everybody very hot under the collar. Not only did the Franconians lose 3-0 at home to get sucked right into the relegation fight, a few hundred supporters also angrily sought explanations for the poor result. Nürnberg had actually started pretty well but that was forgotten after the final whistle, when captain Raphael Schäfer tried to talk to the irate supporters – only to be sent back immediately. He threw down his armband on the way back to the dressing room. The FCN faithful have never forgiven the keeper for his (mild) quip after losing against local rivals Fürth last season ("What use is a derby win if you go down?), and new manager Gertjan Verbeek could have done without this civil unrest. "Verbeek's only success was no one asking about his perceived resemblance of Rod Stewart this time," wrote Süddeutsche Zeitung.

There was distinct lack of Halloween hi-jinx in the Bundesliga – carnival is where it's at in Germany – but following on from Kiessling's "Loch Netz Monster" (Bild) (Loch is hole in German, Netz net) stunt, Sunday saw more ghostly action between the sticks. This time, there wasn't so much a phantom but a Polter guy in goal: Sebastian Polter, a striker for Mainz who had to put on the gloves after Christian Wetklo was sent off for a professional foul on Augsburg the forward Arkadiusz Milik shortly before the end. "It was a rear-end collision," explained Wetklo, who had himself come on as a 46th-minute substitute for the injured Heinz Müller. Polter impressively saved the ensuing free-kick from Daniel Baier and acquitted himself well; the 22-year-old played as a keeper until the age of 12. But it didn't help. Augsburg won 2-1 thanks to an André Hahn solo show with two fine goals.

Results: Dortmund 6-1 Stuttgart, Hoffenheim 1-2 Bayern, Braunschweig 1-0 Leverkusen, Hertha 0-2 Schalke, Hamburg 0-2 Gladbach, Frankfurt 1-2 Wolfsburg, Nürnberg 0-3 Freiburg, Augsburg 2-1 Mainz, Bremen 3-2 Hannover.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/nov/04/borussia-monchengladbach-max-kruse-hamburg
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:38 pm

Loan sharks - the future of football

Posted by Uli Hesse

Saturday's game between Frankfurt and Wolfsburg was tied at 1-1 going into the 82nd minute. Then quite a few Eintracht players made quite a few mistakes. One was Tranquillo Barnetta, on loan from Schalke.

Barnetta was very slow in moving towards a loose ball and so Wolfsburg's Patrick Ochs got to it first. He tried a shot at goal that became a cross which young Maximilian Arnold pushed across the line to bring the visitors ahead.

Frankfurt's coach Armin Veh had to make a move. Two minutes after the goal, he took off Barnetta and brought on striker Srdjan Lakic, another loan player.

With four minutes left on the clock, Lakic intercepted an awful back pass and was suddenly clear through to goal. However, when he finally delivered his shot the angle had become a bit too tight and Wolfsburg's goalkeeper parried his attempt.

On Wolfsburg's bench, coach Dieter Hecking will have sighed a particularly heartfelt sigh of relief. Because technically Lakic is still his player. The Croat is under contract at Wolfsburg until the summer of 2015. He was loaned out to Eintracht back in January.

Then again, maybe Hecking has given up worrying about such things. After all, he's got players all over the place. Vaclav Pilar and Tolga Cigerci, both also under contract until 2015, are currently at Freiburg and Hertha, respectively.

But Wolfsburg also have players in temporary storage in France (Ibrahim Sissoko), Denmark (Rasmus Jonsson), Brazil (Fagner) and a few other countries. It is, of course, a legacy of Felix Magath's reign, whose mode of operation included signing a large number of players, some of whom are now surplus to requirements.

Wolfsburg are an extreme case, but only in Germany. In England, it's become perfectly normal for the bigger clubs to have eight, nine or ten players parked elsewhere.

As early as 2011, the Guardian's chief sports writer Richard Williams said that the "loan system is in dire need of reformation" and wondered how supporters "can be expected to maintain a deep and consoling affinity for a side stuffed with players who are, after all, only waiting for the call to return to their five-star lives in the Premier League?"

But nothing was reformed and now, more than two years later, it almost looks as if loan deals will one day become the norm rather than the exception. And not only in England. Last week, Kicker magazine headlined "Rent a star" and published a list of all players, 20 of them, who are currently playing for a Bundesliga club while technically still under contract elsewhere.

Two particular interesting cases are striker Pierre-Michel Lasogga and midfielder Per Skjelbred. The former didn't do well at Hertha and so they loaned him out to Hamburg, where he is now scoring freely. The latter didn't do well in Hamburg and so they loaned him out to Hertha, where he is now an automatic starter.

Back in late August, when the two teams played each other, both men were still with their original clubs. But there is always the return match, scheduled for early February.

In England, the rules say that a player on loan cannot be fielded against the club that holds his contract. In Germany, there is no such rule, although clubs will sometimes seek to draw up a provision to this effect, which means Lasogga or Skjelbred could seriously hurt the team they will return to next summer.

No matter how you look at it, this is an unfortunate situation. Of course loan deals can have numerous benefits to all parties involved, especially when they are about giving young talents playing time. Just think of how Philipp Lahm came into his own at Stuttgart. But whenever someone serves two masters, the potential for embarrassing situations is always there.

Ironically, in Germany the practice seems to have become common in the wake of the big bribe scandal of the early 1970s. What happened then was that many players found guilty were either banned for life by the German FA or suspended for a number of years. Yet the contracts they had signed were still valid and the clubs didn't want to dissolve them as long as nobody knew how the whole affair would pan out.

And so many German clubs simply loaned out culprits to foreign countries. Schalke's Rolf Russmann, for instance, became a loanee at Bruges but found himself out of the frying pan and into the fire because the Belgians had financial problems and ultimately couldn't pay his wages.

At about the same time, Ajax came in for Aberdeen's Hungarian striker Zoltan Varga and were told that they had to talk to Hertha about the player, because the Berlin club held the transfer rights and had only loaned out Varga.

These days, money matters are often the main reason behind loan deals. A good example is former Bayern fan favourite Roque Santa Cruz.

In the summer of 2009, newly rich Manchester City parted with a hefty 17.5 million euros to buy the player from Blackburn Rovers, and of course the Citizens also offered him considerably increased wages. But then Santa Cruz failed to settle in and City faced a double whammy, because they couldn't find takers who were willing to pay both the transfer money and the wages the player was now on.

So loan deals were the only option and Santa Cruz began to travel around. First it was back to Blackburn. Then on to Real Betis. Then to Malaga. At last, in the summer of 2013, his City contract ran out and Santa Cruz became football's equivalent of a free agent, which allowed Malaga to make the move permanent.

I guess it means that the bigger the top squads and the larger the gap between the haves and the have-nots will become, the more such loan deals we will see. It also means that some smaller clubs could effectively become farm teams.

That's too strong a word? Well, consider that at the time of writing, Chelsea have loaned out no less than 23 players, Marko Marin among them, to various teams in various countries.

The Dutch club Vitesse alone has six, yes, six, players who are on loan from Chelsea. (From six different countries, no less.) It's a pity that the team didn't survive the Europa League qualifiers. Otherwise there would have been a theoretical chance of Vitesse meeting Chelsea at one point in the season. It would have been almost like a company get-together party.
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/bundesliga/id/232?cc=5739
avatar
blutgraetsche

Number of posts : 23328
Supports : Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft
Registration date : 2006-08-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:38 pm

Meet Max Meyer: The next wonderkid from Schalke's production line

The 18-year-old has made a breakthrough at S04 of late and looks set to become the latest Veltins Arena academy product to hit the big time

PROFILE
By Enis Koylu


On the surface, Schalke fans have little to be optimistic about. In a season which promised a lot, Jens Keller’s side look set to battle it out for the final Champions League spot once more, amid more problems with inconsistency and injury.

Key players, most notably Klaas-Jan Huntelaar and Jefferson Farfan, have been missing through injury. Results have suffered, culminating in a 2-1 loss to Borussia Dortmund, their hated rivals, 10 days ago.

But the Veltins Arena faithful can always look to their club’s incredible academy for a source of comfort. The list of alumni speaks for itself. Manuel Neuer and Mesut Ozil have hit the big time after coming through the S04 ranks, while Ilkay Gundogan is on the verge of joining them.

Joel Matip and Julian Draxler are local boys who have sealed their places in the first team, the latter widely acknowledged to be one of the finest prospects in world football. And another gem is being unearthed right now in Max Meyer.

Bundesliga anoraks have long had their eye on the 18-year-old from Oberhausen, about 20km from Gelsenkirchen. After joining the club four years ago, he stood out with his stellar scoring record at youth level and was duly rewarded with second place in the Under-17 category of the Fritz Walter medal behind Leon Goretzka, ironically now his team-mate.

But it all could have been so different, with the teenager admitting recently that his first choice when joining S04 had been Borussia Monchengladbach, where many of his friends had gone.

The tail end of last season was when he made his first appearances for the senior team, mostly off the bench. His impact was immediate, helping to rescue a vital draw at Mainz by setting up Michel Bastos within 10 minutes of making his Bundesliga debut in February.

Schalke were so impressed with the youngster’s performances at the tail end of last term that they awarded him the No.7 shirt which had previously been temporarily retired following Spanish legend Raul’s departure from the club.

He did not disappoint. With his side up against it in the Champions League qualifier against PAOK, he produced a sublime ball for Draxler to score a vital second away goal. It was a brilliant and decisive cameo.

More recently he discovered his best goalscoring form, netting a spate of goals starting with a strike in the DFB-Pokal against Darmstadt in September. He claimed that the adrenalin rush kept him awake all night, but it was just the beginning of a run which went on to include goals against Augsburg, Braunschweig and even arch-rivals Borussia Dortmund, against whom he scored just two minutes after his introduction.

Comparisons with Draxler are inevitable given their attacking midfield roles and local connections, but his combination of dribbling, technique, low centre of gravity and pace are eerily reminiscent of Lionel Messi.

He is, of course, some way from being able to emulate the Barcelona superstar, but if he continues on his current trajectory, the sky is truly the limit for him.

Rumours of interest from Fiorentina and Chelsea have started lately, but Schalke, eager to keep hold of Meyer, are set to offer him an extension to his contract, which expires in 2018.

“We want to extend early with Meyer and are in talks with him,” Horst Heldt said recently, hoping to get rid of the exit clause in his current deal. He later added: “Max has delivered very good performances, so we want to reward him accordingly. His contract reflects his achievements.”

Perhaps the Veltins Arena is the best place for him. Schalke may have their problems but Keller’s background with coaching young players will help Meyer reach his potential in the coming years.

Meyer has already announced himself as one of the hottest prospects in Germany. All eyes will inevitably be on Draxler when Schalke take on Chelsea on Wednesday, but the Blues back line would be well advised to keep a close watch on his younger team-mate, too.


MAX MEYER
His key moments so far


Jul 1 2009 Joins Schalke from Duisburg aged 14
Nov 11 2009 Scores in his only Germany U-15 appearance
May 2012 Crowned best player at U-17 Euros. Also top scorer
Feb 16 2013 Marks Bundesliga debut with an assist against Mainz
Sep 25 2013 Scores first professional goal against Darmstadt
Oct 26 2013 Nets two minutes after coming on against BVB
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2013/11/06/4383416/meet-max-meyer-the-next-wonderkid-from-schalkes-production?ICID=HP_FT_4
avatar
Fey

Number of posts : 35347
Supports : Feyenoord and Manchester United
Favourite Player : ??#$ Error, John Guidetti, Jordy Clasie
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Fey on Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:14 pm

Fey wrote:HSV is Fussballpornografie! Always loads of goals with them!
cheers

Shame Leverkussen are winning due to that asian traitor.

Meanwhile Dortmund are losing as well!
avatar
Fey

Number of posts : 35347
Supports : Feyenoord and Manchester United
Favourite Player : ??#$ Error, John Guidetti, Jordy Clasie
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Fey on Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:17 pm

5-3..Adler with a mistake. Im getting sick of the hype German keepers receive, yet only Neuer stands out.

Good thing Werder are bottling it as well.
avatar
Kroos

Number of posts : 9049
Age : 31
Supports : FC Bayern Munich, die MANNSCHAFT
Favourite Player : Kroos, Müller, Götze, Neuer, Gündogan
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Kroos on Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:08 pm

Fey wrote:5-3..Adler with a mistake. Im getting sick of the hype German keepers receive, yet only Neuer stands out.

Good thing Werder are bottling it as well.
you talk about keepers, i talk about the next generation of the conveyor belt

they take over the League by freaking storm

all of them with plenty of motm performances in this season


can for leverkusen
meyer, draxler for schalke
dorfer, knoche for wolfsburg
volland for hoffenheim
kruse, kramer for gladbach

the current generation isn`t even matured (kroos, götze, özil) and the next is already on his way

btw for what club is the dutch keeper playing? i heard for some midtable club in england tongue 





avatar
Antarion

Number of posts : 3372
Age : 32
Supports : Germany, Bayern
Favourite Player : Müller, Neuer and Schürrle
Registration date : 2008-04-11

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Antarion on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:15 pm

Hummels and Schmelzer injured lol!

BVB vs Bayern on saturday could mark the end of a possibly interesting season.
avatar
Kroos

Number of posts : 9049
Age : 31
Supports : FC Bayern Munich, die MANNSCHAFT
Favourite Player : Kroos, Müller, Götze, Neuer, Gündogan
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Kroos on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:24 pm

LOL every single starter from the back 4 is injured

piscek
hummels
subotic
schmelzer

they have to win the next 2 games (bayern, napoli) otherwise the season is done
avatar
Xavier

Number of posts : 563
Age : 28
Supports : Germany, Lazio, & the Whole Bloody Bundesliga
Favourite Player : Klose, Kroos, Mueller, Badstuber, Schweinsteiger, L Bender, Di Natale, Modric
Registration date : 2010-10-09

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Xavier on Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:15 am

They can draw against Bayern and still keep the season interesting.... a win is necessary against Napoli, however.
avatar
Kroos

Number of posts : 9049
Age : 31
Supports : FC Bayern Munich, die MANNSCHAFT
Favourite Player : Kroos, Müller, Götze, Neuer, Gündogan
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Kroos on Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:29 am

yeah the cl is very important, napoli is a 100 % MUST HAVE win


i think dortmund can still field a strong team, in attack every player is fit

and bender should play as CB, while kehl will return in midfield

durm is a good replacement for schmelzer


but the bech has left no options
avatar
Fey

Number of posts : 35347
Supports : Feyenoord and Manchester United
Favourite Player : ??#$ Error, John Guidetti, Jordy Clasie
Registration date : 2006-08-07

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Fey on Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:33 pm

CL-final rematch!

http://www.havanvan.com/2013/11/bayern-munchen-borussia-dortmund.html


Sponsored content

Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Sponsored content


    Current date/time is Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:56 am